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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: So how do you answer this one?
« on: June 06, 2017, 05:24:23 PM »
Leaving aside the visual observations of sunrise/sunsets, the reason the Sun goes out of view is rooted in the idea of a spotlight Sun. if you view a spotlight from the side, its light doesn't reach you. It just wouldn't. The collar, like you say; you say we'd still see the presence of the light source, but we wouldn't unless we could see something the light was hitting. Look at a spotlight in a theater; you don't see a solid block of light in the air, just a circle on the stage. Maybe at high altitudes you'd see light reflected off another part of the Earth's surface, but otherwise you wouldn't be able to see anything as the light wouldn't curve to head over to you.

24 hour sunlight varies. Either they deny it exists, or they hold to a bipolar model.

But even a spotlight in a theatre for instance can be seen. there is always some light bleed around the edges and a spotlight sun would also be visible at all times although how you achieve something like a spotlight sun is beyond me (and everyone else). It also fails to explain 24hr sunlight in the antarctic

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Flat Earth Q&A / So how do you answer this one?
« on: June 06, 2017, 12:59:50 AM »
On youtube I continually see this animation of the sun rotating above a flat earth. Now that might explain it to someone who has never seen a light source before, but isnt it rather obvious that the sun MUST be visible over the entire surface of the earth ALL the time? It might be more distant during the supposed FE 'night' but it should be easily visible. What's more, the light at any point cannot be any less that ~25% of maximum illumination directly below the sun.

So I imagine the sun could have a kind of collar around it so that light only goes to a smallish angle, but even then, anyone who has seen a light fitting knows that you would still see the presence of the light source - and we dont.

Also, Antarctica has periods of sunlight 24 hrs a day and a circling sun simply could not produce that. The most entertaining comment Ive heard on this is that 'light doesn't travel very far' which is possibly the most idiotic thing I've heard yet.

Also, the circling sun around the equator would appear to most of us as a single light source rotating in the sky in a limited circular pattern (dependent on how high the sun is) with no sunrise and no sunset.

So.... thoughts people?  And please... no absurd mis-use of Perspective or thinking that a 'vanishing point' actually has objects literally 'vanish'.

This concept and animation always makes me chuckle as the above point seem rather obvious.

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The atmoplane will distort what's under it.  Sign me up.

And that ^^ is why it would still be a pointless exercise. a True FEer is impossible to convert because it is not an intellectual exercise. It is a mental health one. Throwing them out the airlock might briefly prove the point, but you'd have to do it to all of them.

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Flat Earth General / Re: I blame the education system
« on: April 27, 2017, 02:42:58 AM »
Fliggs call scepti what ever you like, at the end of the day he is a decent human being, I can't say the same about you.

Human, yes. Mentally well, not so much.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How is flat earth society not evil?
« on: April 27, 2017, 02:41:58 AM »
What you globalists would be better off doing is seriously logically questioning your spinning globe in a vacuum or space amid scattered particles of matter.
Also spinning around a big ball of fire.

Now I realise the so called arrogant types; the one's who believe that supporting a schooled model, aided by mass opinion/following, will always see their globe as a total reality, because , as they say, it all fits.
It doesn't really fit, but they are told it does, because it's a story told to them about why this and that moves and what not.

Continuous so called theories are made up to cover the errors when questioning minds see the flaws.
General relativity and special relativity. the list is almost endless with the utter gunk spewed out by people that have been put on a pedestal to reel off the utter crap to the general public and also have the wannabe scientists gawk and idolise them whilst hanging on to every word. Every snippet of everything said by the so called genius yesteryear worldly so called born to be  genius, super brains.


all that drivel does is make you look like an ignorant fool who because he cannot understand something, rejects it.  Science simply eludes you. It is too much for your limited cranial horsepower and so, like a simpleton, you reject it.

inferiority complex
noun
an unrealistic feeling of general inadequacy caused by actual or supposed inferiority in one sphere, sometimes marked by aggressive behaviour in compensation.

I can play internet pseudopsychologist also.

You are truly pitiful, following me around all day trying your lame-ass one-upmanship and even then, failing. Go back to your Walter Mittyesque existence and imagine how important you are.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How is flat earth society not evil?
« on: April 27, 2017, 02:34:23 AM »
What you globalists would be better off doing is seriously logically questioning your spinning globe in a vacuum or space amid scattered particles of matter.
Also spinning around a big ball of fire.

Now I realise the so called arrogant types; the one's who believe that supporting a schooled model, aided by mass opinion/following, will always see their globe as a total reality, because , as they say, it all fits.
It doesn't really fit, but they are told it does, because it's a story told to them about why this and that moves and what not.

Continuous so called theories are made up to cover the errors when questioning minds see the flaws.
General relativity and special relativity. the list is almost endless with the utter gunk spewed out by people that have been put on a pedestal to reel off the utter crap to the general public and also have the wannabe scientists gawk and idolise them whilst hanging on to every word. Every snippet of everything said by the so called genius yesteryear worldly so called born to be  genius, super brains.


all that drivel does is make you look like an ignorant fool who because he cannot understand something, rejects it.  Science simply eludes you. It is too much for your limited cranial horsepower and so, like a simpleton, you reject it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: I blame the education system
« on: April 27, 2017, 02:31:11 AM »
Teachers indoctrinate and brainwash poor pupils.

What about priests and preachers and religious leaders?
They do exactly the same.
We are controlled from start to end.

mental patients and small minds like you might be controlled, but intelligent and informed people are not.

Just because you are a dimwit and easily led does not mean the rest of us are.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Going to the edge.. who is with me?
« on: April 27, 2017, 02:29:52 AM »
I have been following this forum & others on social networks and mostly what I see is facts and truths being shared as jokes, memes and comment wars on youtube. It's really sad that most of the intellectual discussion gets burried by the trolls from both sides, yes lets not only blame others. Anyways I am sharing something which is only for the true believers. This is a well planned mission and you can find all the information you need at http://journeytoedge.wordpress.com a few supporters have come forth but we don't have the funding needed as of yet. So if you can contribute any how, please do so.

If you have any serious questions, I am available via the contact form on the website. For the trolls, please remember that I am ex Army Intelligence Officer, I know what I am doing and my only mission is to reveal the truth. Thanks and hope to get more truthers to support this cause.

Regards,
John

army intelligence???? not a chance. what a pile of garbage.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Books on Advanced FET?
« on: April 26, 2017, 11:48:51 PM »
The French Ministry of Defense sponsored and tested the Biefeld-Brown effect, as another example.

It did work:

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=30499.msg1852363#msg1852363


The oil industry could not possibly permit such devices to be marketed and mass produced.

What I am saying is that these devices belong to the kindergarten level of free energy devices (the ones based on magnets configuration).

Tesla was able to create MEGAWATTS of power with his ball lightning objects.


and yet everyone who has tried to produce these devices has failed.

Perhaps you did not read my previous message.



https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20110830165516/http://www.rexresearch.com/coler/colerb~1.htm

British Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee

Final Report # 1043

The Invention of Hans Coler, Relating to an Alleged New Source of Power

Accordingly Coler was visited and interrogated. He proved to be cooperative and willing to disclose all details of his devices, and consented to build up and put into operation a small model of the so-called "Magnetstromapparat" [Magnet Power Apparatus] using material supplied to him by us, and working only in our presence. With this device, consisting only of permanent magnets, copper coils, and condensers in a static arrangement he showed that he could obtain a tension of 450 millivolts for a period of some hours; and in a repetition of the experiment the next day 60 millivolts was recorded for a short period. The apparatus has been brought back and is now being further investigated.

Coler was asked if he would consent to build models of these devices if material was made available. He agreed that he could do this, and stated that it would take one week to construct a "Magnetstromapparat", and a month to construct a "Stromzeuger". Accordingly we supplied the magnets, condensers and copper wire needed for the former, and Coler proceeded to build an apparatus as discussed in Section 3. A list of materials required for the "Stromzeuger" was drawn up by Coler.

In our presence and with material supplied by us (some brought from England and the rest bought locally) Coler built an apparatus as shown in Figures 1, 2, and 3. It is to be noted that some magnets are wound in a clockwise direction looking at the N pole (called left) and others in an anti-clockwise direction (called right). The magnets were selected to be as nearly equal in strength as possible, and the resistance of the magnet-coil combination was checked after winding to see that this also was uniform (about 0.33 ohm). The physical arrangement was as shown in Figure 2, in a breadboard style. Measurements of voltage and current across A-B were made with a Mavometer. A mechanical arrangement of sliders and cranks for separating the magnets evenly all round was made up.
On 1.7.46 experiments were being continued after three days of fruitless adjusting, and when the magnets were at a separation of about 7 mm., the first small deflection was noted (about 9 a.m.). The switch was closed and by slow adjustment of the sliding coil, and by increasing the separation of the magnets to just over 8 mm., by 11 a.m. the tension was raised to 250 millivolts and by 12.30 p.m. it was 450 millivolts.

IV. Conclusions ~
1. It was judged that Coler was an honest experimenter and not a fraud, and due respect must be paid to the judgment of Frohlich in the matter as deduced from his report to Seysen.

2. The result obtained was genuine in so far as could be tested with the facilities available, but no attempt has yet been made to find an explanation for the phenomenon.

3. It is felt that further investigation by an expert in electromagnetic theory is warranted, and that Colerís offer to construct a model of the "Stromzeuger" should be taken up.



you might want to show some CREDIBLE sources, not the nonsense you do.

But better yet.... BUILD ONE YOURSELF.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Let's Just Go to the Damn Ice Wall...Anyone??
« on: April 26, 2017, 11:16:08 PM »
I honestly think you should look at this proposal seriously. It's made for a network like the discovery channel. If it were packaged in the right way, with the right characters and then presented like six intrepid pioneers seek the truth.....having looked at doc proposals in the past this could really work. If I were younger I would defiantly look into the possibility.
The whole thing about the truth and fake news is really hot at the moment, so go for it now.
It needs someone to pitch it to a producer. If you are serious I would be willing to help produce some basic paperwork, treatment etc that could be used in the pitch.
A snappy name....a snappy strapline...

I agree totally. I would definitely watch it and so would a lot of others. But I have no contacts. I was once an 'expert adviser' to a Discovery Channel show but that is as close as it gets.

I was a film maker but am based in the U.K.
The basic story is strong...seeking the truth...it just needs the right characters and script to drive the narrative.

Given your experience then why not make a formal proposal to a few companies? I agree that it could be a real interesting show - far better than the hideously ironic 'reality TV' shows that infest our unwatchable TV channels now. With the right budget it could be truly amazing especially in the Trump anti-science times. Perhaps we could get Scott Pruitt on the trip as well.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Let's Just Go to the Damn Ice Wall...Anyone??
« on: April 26, 2017, 11:13:26 PM »
If your all going to Antartica, which I think is a great idea, make sure to pack some warm socks and lots of flat earth maps, as you wouldn't want to get cold toes. I hear the penguin cooked John  Davis style is fab....enjoy

On a more serious note I actually think a trip could be organised. If it were part of a documentary it would make a great story. You would require 6 good characters all who were willing to be filmed, and are all staunch flat earthers. It could either be shot a 3x1 hour docs or as a 90 min feature. I am sure if you got in touch with a US based production company they would look upon it seriously.

Here is a very rough treatment....

Episode 1 would be meeting the characters, finding about who they are and preparing for the trip and finding out about their views on the shape of the earth and the whole FE conspiracy. During this episode a visit to a us based telescope would be interesting as well as meeting experts in various fields that contradict FE belief.

Episode 2 the journey, this would show you getting ready to go and reflecting on what went on in ep1, your visits and how you feel about your experiences with the experts you met. It would be great if a jet could be chartered for part of the journey USA to South America that could fly high enough for you all to witness the curvature of the earth. Imagine the reactions...then the denial. That would be great TV. Then the landing, the transfer to the ship and then the sea journey. Final shot of episode 2, a group of flat earther looking over the rail of the ship with Antartica looming out the mist.

Episode 3 the arrival, then the revaluation. A visit to one of the permanent research stations would be very cool.....meeting all the scientists who live and work there..
Interviews with all the FEers, about how they feel after seeing the truth.....
Final shot of the episode, all the FEers decked out in cold weather gear all standing at the South Pole.   Cut....role credits

The flaw in an otherwise great idea is that there is no way any of them would believe the plane or ship followed a straight line. They would beleive they were drugged or any of the other lunatic explanations they come up.  But that would only make the doc more fun to watch.

BRING IT ON!

I honestly think that in this post Trump climate it would be a real seller. I don't often get excited about proposals but this one could have legs. It just needs the right characters, possibly 7.....magnificent 7 and all that. Three main hard assed flat earthers and the others for support.

And get a famous physicist or earth scientist with media presence to accompany them to assist with their 'learning'

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Flat Earth General / Re: Let's Just Go to the Damn Ice Wall...Anyone??
« on: April 26, 2017, 11:08:18 PM »
I honestly think you should look at this proposal seriously. It's made for a network like the discovery channel. If it were packaged in the right way, with the right characters and then presented like six intrepid pioneers seek the truth.....having looked at doc proposals in the past this could really work. If I were younger I would defiantly look into the possibility.
The whole thing about the truth and fake news is really hot at the moment, so go for it now.
It needs someone to pitch it to a producer. If you are serious I would be willing to help produce some basic paperwork, treatment etc that could be used in the pitch.
A snappy name....a snappy strapline...

I agree totally. I would definitely watch it and so would a lot of others. But I have no contacts. I was once an 'expert adviser' to a Discovery Channel show but that is as close as it gets.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Jewish Sages Think Earth Is Flat
« on: April 26, 2017, 11:03:28 PM »
Always wondered why the unproven opinions of admittedly intelligent people several thousand years ago is held in higher esteem than todays scientists and the very best of evidence.

Well I guess nutters have their reasons.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How is flat earth society not evil?
« on: April 26, 2017, 11:01:39 PM »
If the main message of the flat earth society is falsehood, then how is the society not evil?

I see the basic message as: question what you think you know. There's nothing wrong with that - it's a good thing.

Since coming here, I've questioned what I think I know about the shape of the earth, the structure of the solar system, and heard alternatives I'd never considered, and have found that what I'd already been taught is the best explanation of what i see.

When I disagree with the alternative explanations (which is often), I try to explain what I understand to be true and why. If someone else doesn't agree, that's either my problem, theirs, or both. If someone tries to make a reasoned argument why they think I'm wrong, I'll listen and respond. While "reasoned" is, of course, in the eye of the beholder, I do at least try to be open, but sometimes the response is so irrational I do get short. Even then, of course, the other person gets to respond.

[Edit] Grammar.

I understand what your are saying and I agree that it is helpful to be open-minded. The problem is that the vast majority of FE argument is transparent nonsense and gross ignorance and it is hard to take any of that even remotely seriously.

If anyone Googles "flat earth" they'll find this website. Challenge the transparent nonsense and gross ignorance with facts and rational arguments. That's the best antidote for ignorance. It's not 100% effective, but facts and reason are the best remedy for ignorance available.

agreed. Most rational intelligent people will respond - even reluctantly - to overwhelming evidence. BUT, when you are a paranoid schizophrenic as some on here are or just Z-grade bog stupid as others are, that doesnt work. This isnt a science website. It is a loony bin where the entertainment is the truly crazy ideas people come up with to give alternative explanations to the bleeding obvious.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Let's Just Go to the Damn Ice Wall...Anyone??
« on: April 26, 2017, 10:58:37 PM »
If your all going to Antartica, which I think is a great idea, make sure to pack some warm socks and lots of flat earth maps, as you wouldn't want to get cold toes. I hear the penguin cooked John  Davis style is fab....enjoy

On a more serious note I actually think a trip could be organised. If it were part of a documentary it would make a great story. You would require 6 good characters all who were willing to be filmed, and are all staunch flat earthers. It could either be shot a 3x1 hour docs or as a 90 min feature. I am sure if you got in touch with a US based production company they would look upon it seriously.

Here is a very rough treatment....

Episode 1 would be meeting the characters, finding about who they are and preparing for the trip and finding out about their views on the shape of the earth and the whole FE conspiracy. During this episode a visit to a us based telescope would be interesting as well as meeting experts in various fields that contradict FE belief.

Episode 2 the journey, this would show you getting ready to go and reflecting on what went on in ep1, your visits and how you feel about your experiences with the experts you met. It would be great if a jet could be chartered for part of the journey USA to South America that could fly high enough for you all to witness the curvature of the earth. Imagine the reactions...then the denial. That would be great TV. Then the landing, the transfer to the ship and then the sea journey. Final shot of episode 2, a group of flat earther looking over the rail of the ship with Antartica looming out the mist.

Episode 3 the arrival, then the revaluation. A visit to one of the permanent research stations would be very cool.....meeting all the scientists who live and work there..
Interviews with all the FEers, about how they feel after seeing the truth.....
Final shot of the episode, all the FEers decked out in cold weather gear all standing at the South Pole.   Cut....role credits

The flaw in an otherwise great idea is that there is no way any of them would believe the plane or ship followed a straight line. They would beleive they were drugged or any of the other lunatic explanations they come up.  But that would only make the doc more fun to watch.

BRING IT ON!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Books on Advanced FET?
« on: April 26, 2017, 10:55:29 PM »
The Hans Coler device did work: it was carefully investigated by the British Secret Service, more on that in a moment.


Let us take as an example the Bedini magnet configuration: it does work, but it is too cumbersome to be mass produced.

How would like to have one of these in your livingroom?





http://johnbedini.net/john34/bedinibearden.html

How does it produce "free energy"? It is very simple. The special magnet configuration, just like in the Hans Coler device, attracts the subquark strings/ether, this additional form of energy will register as "free energy".


Another example.

Here is Paul Baumann's Testatika free energy device.

http://www.rexresearch.com/testatik/testart.htm

It can produce 3 KW.

This is what is looks like:



and yet everyone who has tried to produce these devices has failed. It is a con and so are you. Quite simply, if they were possible, we would already have them... everywhere.

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Flat Earth General / Re: I blame the education system
« on: April 26, 2017, 10:45:39 PM »
The repair job is a little to late, few have any idea how fast the movement is growing in numbers..........
You know it! I made a two sided sign saying God Is Real and Earth Is Flat that I will be preaching with near my home. People complain often, but the fact of the matter is America has freedom of religion.

....and you complain about indoctrination and brainwashing!

Well hypocrisy is kinda FE 101.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How is flat earth society not evil?
« on: April 26, 2017, 09:24:29 PM »
If the main message of the flat earth society is falsehood, then how is the society not evil?

I see the basic message as: question what you think you know. There's nothing wrong with that - it's a good thing.

Since coming here, I've questioned what I think I know about the shape of the earth, the structure of the solar system, and heard alternatives I'd never considered, and have found that what I'd already been taught is the best explanation of what i see.

When I disagree with the alternative explanations (which is often), I try to explain what I understand to be true and why. If someone else doesn't agree, that's either my problem, theirs, or both. If someone tries to make a reasoned argument why they think I'm wrong, I'll listen and respond. While "reasoned" is, of course, in the eye of the beholder, I do at least try to be open, but sometimes the response is so irrational I do get short. Even then, of course, the other person gets to respond.

[Edit] Grammar.

I understand what your are saying and I agree that it is helpful to be open-minded. The problem is that the vast majority of FE argument is transparent nonsense and gross ignorance and it is hard to take any of that even remotely seriously.

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Flat Earth General / Re: I blame the education system
« on: April 26, 2017, 09:20:16 PM »
Or just bored and poking you for lulz, your insults are kinda lame.

I'm on a level that you'll never be mate, you'd have to finish every game that's ever been made. So, get ready for my sin city committee.

Probably gonna have a few beers tonight so you'll have to stick around.

You and TRump should get together. You apparently have the same mental problems except he is more successful than you.

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Is that so?

and such an extraordinarily perceptive and evocative response.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Books on Advanced FET?
« on: April 26, 2017, 08:56:49 PM »
These claims of free energy devices are always entertaining because they are all so remarkably easy to debunk - if you are even slightly non-gullible. If anyone were to build such a device he would be within years, a trillionaire.  Every home on the planet, every business and every vehicle would want one. But the stories they tel as all so easy to debunk. One such claim said that you could build a free energy generator to power 'half your house' and one person claimed to have done exactly that. So, if you could power half your house, why would you not build TWO of them? See? easy to debunk.

It really doesnt matter if you understand the science or not. You only need to understand the world in which we live where energy is our most important product. Free energy would revolutionise our world like nothing before it, so the motivation is understandable.

But if sandy-wall-of-text-okan could build such a device, he would be the richest man on earth and win every nobel prize for the next decade.

But he cant. No one can because they dont work, never have worked and never will work.

Even a device that could produce "only a few KW" of energy without any energy input would be invaluable in remote, and valuable in not so remote, places. The problem is, as you and I already know, they aren't possible. Otherwise, they'd be all over the place and many of our problems wouldn't be problems at all.

Plus a 'few KW' can easily me made into a 'few MW' by putting them in parallel which is what everyone would do if they existed.  I find it staggering that ANYONE still falls for the 'free energy' con.

Never forget: you're posting on the Flat Earth Society. Keep it simple.

It's posters like sandokhan that try to baffle 'em with bullshit. That does work for some in the audience for those willing to believe the earth is flat despite all evidence to the contrary. They are apparently immune to real evidence. "Free energy" falls right into that mindset. Some may actually have money to waste chasing phantom ideas like that, so it may be lucrative to a slick huckster.

sandokhan: if you think this is unfair, simply demonstrate a working free-energy device. You say it's possible. That's all it would take.


ah... the classic 'prove it' challenge. Naturally, the result will be more posturing, more walls of text and kilometers of pseudobabble. I am currently enjoying a sparring contest with a believe in FEMA Death Camps and the arguments are largely identical ie idiotic, psychotic, deranged and... well, you get the idea.

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Yes.

When I can no longer say "free Palestine" I believe we have crossed a line.

Don't mind Rab he will give wristies to anyone who believes the earth is a sphere in 2017. ::)

Rab usually makes a lot of sense. You however, sound like a drunk homeless guy having a male period.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Looking at the sun is good for you.
« on: April 26, 2017, 08:52:54 PM »
LARP.

Stunning comeback. Possibly the best comeback since Trump last said 'huuuuuuuge'.

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Flat Earth General / Re: I blame the education system
« on: April 26, 2017, 08:50:20 PM »
Also, this.

My baby's always dancin'
And it wouldn't be a bad thing
But I don't get no lovin'
And that's no lie
We spent the night in Frisco
At every kind of disco
From that night I kissed our love goodbye
Don't blame it on the sunshine
Don't blame it on the moonlight
Don't blame it on good times
Blame it on the boogie
Don't you blame it on sunshine
Don't blame it on moonlight
Don't blame it on good time
Blame it on the boogie
That nasty boogie bugs me
But somehow it has drugged me
Spellbound rhythm gets me on my feet
I've changed my life completely
I've seen the lightening leave me
My baby just can't take her eyes off me
Don't blame it on the sunshine
Don't blame it on the moonlight
Don't blame it on good times
Blame it on the boogie

Maybe you are just drunk. Your posts today have been largely 'menstrual'.

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Flat Earth General / Re: I blame the education system
« on: April 26, 2017, 08:49:00 PM »
Teachers indoctrinate and brainwash poor pupils.

What about priests and preachers and religious leaders?

You seem, to equate teaching and preaching with Brainwashing. That is is rather ridiculous as it precludes the idea of intelligent students and ethical teachers.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How is flat earth society not evil?
« on: April 26, 2017, 08:34:27 PM »
In other news, are soviet child, forum phoenix and fliggs the same poster.

Find out in the next exciting episode of Dragon Ball Z.

I really have gotten under your skin, haven't I?  And rather easily too. Push a few clearly obvious and labelled buttons and here we are...

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Flat Earth General / Re: I blame the education system
« on: April 26, 2017, 08:21:18 PM »
There is something deeper going on in our society that somehow enables Flat Earthers to believe they are making cogent arguments... They are not.  You can't reason with them.  Period.

You just can't pull stuff out of your @$$ and claim that it is science just because you throw some science words behind it.

For what it's worth I think you are on to something. The whole post enlightenment, darkenment, or newage movement call it what you may has often been viewed as one of anti-science and pro belief.  What ever it's called has certinally been growing in power during my lifetime, case in point is the continuing debate over climate change.
Why should there still be a debate when we are dealing with basic measurements. Down the road from where I live there is a big display on a building which gives a readout of CO2 in ppm. For the last five years the sign has been there the numbers have been getting bigger and bigger.
While this local measure is interesting it's certinally could not be extrapolated to give a global picture. There are however other much more global measurements that confirm my local data that prove the amount of CO2 and worrying methane is our atmosphere is increasing. The problem is those on the anti science side of the argument are willing to ignore this while those that understand science see it as a potentially major problem.
We only have to cast our eyes at our neighbour Venus to see what high CO2 levels can create, and that whole argument about planetary exploration is another whole can of worms. Worms that include religion, belief, conspiracy etc....etc...

To be fair, I think you are wrongly equating disagreement with denialism. There are a lot of very credible scientist who dispute aspects of climate change. The big problem is putting the issue into two camps - pro and con while the vast majority of people are actually in neither. Measuring CO2 concentrations is on its own, a worthless bit of data unless you can make a connection between it and anything measurable and effective. For me - and many others - the utter failure of every climate prediction and model to date causes me to instinctively query the various 'catastrophe' scenarios. And some of the arguments put forth would make a flat-earther cringe - the Venus one for example. As if another planet, far closer to the sun and with an absolutely different environment and CO2 levels millions of time ours is in any conceivable way, a template or examples for us.

On the fringes of both pro and anti climate change argument lies utter fruitcakes. IN between however are people willing and capable of debating the science and the history credibly and conherently. Because they disagree does not make one side a 'denier'.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Looking at the sun is good for you.
« on: April 26, 2017, 08:12:07 PM »
No.

Then leave it in. Just change every 12 hours.

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L.A.R.P.
Edit. ARHB is an idiot too but he's just a kid so I expect slightly less of him.
Sounds like you are having a 'weepy day' on your period.
Nah! Poor old disputeone isn't happy unless he can find a dispute and if he can't he creates one!

I had noticed that!  There have been paid posters in the past, specifically Israeli posters to defend Jewish interests in various locales. More recently, the Russians have employed similar techniques but mostly thru the posting of fake news articles. But all of these paid posters did share a common style in that they were articulate and usually, intelligent.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Looking at the sun is good for you.
« on: April 26, 2017, 08:02:23 PM »
Slow day at work.

Are you still LARPing?

It is certainly entertaining that you seem so engrossed in me despite not even having posted for a couple months. Maybe my assessment of some of the posters here was so spot-on that I offended you. And while you might be in the middle of your period, take the tampon out your ass and grow up. Stop acting like a petulant child.

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