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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 10, 2021, 11:50:03 PM »
The only thing I can say about these "patriots", least they actually went after the people that wronged them in their eyes, instead of burning their neighbors house down.

That's sort of the thing about this.  If you truly believe that the election is being stolen then you are obligated as a citizen to take action up to and including violence.  If you truly believe that's what happened here then your reaction to Wednesday shouldn't be horror that it happened, it should be disappointment that it failed.

Why would they believe that the election was stolen?  Well here's the thing, understanding exactly how an election is secure, how they guarantee accurate ballot count is something that most laypeople don't have the expertise to understand.  Who do you trust to tell you what the results are?

In 2016 I trusted the democrats.  I figured if there were any fraud that they'd talk about it constantly. I'd be a little distrustful of republicans saying it, not my tribe.  But since the democrats said they lost fair and square then it seems reasonable to trust them.  (I do realize they had all that Russia stuff.  Has nothing to do with the validity of the election.)

Fast forward to 2020.  Reverse the situation.  Trump loses but won't concede.  He just keeps lying and says he won.  Here if the republicans were my tribe then I'd be inclined to belief him.  He's who I would trust.  And most of congress doesn't seem to contradict him.  That must be the truth.  The democrats say he lost but I can't trust them, not my tribe.

I'm not even sure who bears more of the blame here.  These people live in a reality where their only trustworthy source of information is Trump and to a lesser degree the republicans.  They acted in a way a reasonable person who is greatly concerned about their democracy would act. 

In my opinion these senators and representatives who have been pushing this narrative have blood on their hands as much as Trump does and should resign in disgrace.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 10, 2021, 06:35:23 PM »
This is an interesting read.   It seems likely that the lack of security resources was deliberate, suggesting that there was a conspiracy involving the upper levels of the Capitol police.

https://twitter.com/TerryBoutonHist/status/1348365375449268226

That was a great description from on the ground. I thought it was really weird all those people had items that are usually prohibited at the Capitol building (besides the guns). Once you read the Washington Post article, and then stories like this from the ground it really does start to look like a conspiracy!

I can believe that a lot of cops were way too sympathetic. If it is a conspiracy then it's a very inept one. The only conceivable goal that might get them what they wanted is murdering most of congress. Some probably were prepared to do that. A lot of them were jackoffs in stupid costumes though.

To me it sort of looks like a rally that morphed into a riot that partially morphed into an insurrection.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 10, 2021, 01:16:35 PM »
I'm keeping track of the general reaction on Fox News.  This seems to have taken them off guard.  But they're quickly reassembling their propaganda machine.  They agree that trying to overthrow democracy is bad but twitter banning the people that keep trying to overthrow democracy is at least as much of a problem.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: January 10, 2021, 08:26:20 AM »
Sounds like a great fundraising opportunity for Trump. I don't think they've kicked him off email yet.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Qanon Conspiracy
« on: January 10, 2021, 08:24:55 AM »
God I miss Alex Jones.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 09, 2021, 11:05:50 PM »
It's a scary thing to think that we have to treat trump supports online the same we treat terrorists.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 09, 2021, 07:26:24 PM »
Holy shit. Trump's getting the storm front treatment.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: January 09, 2021, 05:26:23 PM »
I demand the kraken lady and that drunken blonde from the hearing!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 09, 2021, 03:58:11 PM »
Could be a good way to increase our traffic. Get trump in on the discussion here.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 09, 2021, 03:17:35 PM »
Spotify?

I guess he'll need to start up his Only Fans account.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 09, 2021, 02:36:09 PM »
I think there's going to be a vote to impeach this Monday. It looks like it's more than just threats at this point.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 09, 2021, 12:21:32 PM »
CNN: Extremists intensify calls for violence ahead of Inauguration Day.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/us/online-extremism-inauguration-capitol-invs/index.html

(CNN)"Trump or war. Today. That simple."

"If you don't know how to shoot: You need to learn. NOW."

"we will storm the government buildings, kill cops, kill security guards, kill federal employees and agents, and demand a recount."

Great. A sequel. This threat seems poorly thought out. After they murder a bunch of cops and force a recount what happens when Joe Biden still wins? Do they just go ahead?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: January 09, 2021, 11:03:34 AM »
Me explaining coins to my 6 year old son.

Son, "who's that on the penny?"

Me, "Abraham Lincoln, one of the presidents"

Son, "Is Trump going to be on a coin?"

Me, "um... probably not..."

Son, "why?

Me, "He... uhh... got a crowd of crazy people to storm the capitol and try to destroy democracy because he lost an election"

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 09, 2021, 05:22:56 AM »
It's hilarious watching Trump try and figure out how to post on Parler.

So far he posted the same thing three times in a row.

He's posting screenshots of him being quoted.   

I suspect the guy can't type more than a single sentence so he's reduced to this.

He looks like a moron even more on Parler.

Are you sure that's even Trump?  There's several accounts with his name and it looks like someone just masquerading as Trump.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 08, 2021, 03:47:27 PM »
I wonder if he'll move to Parler.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 08, 2021, 03:43:58 PM »
THEY'RE SILENCING CONSERVATIVE VOICES!

Merely for trying to destroy democracy.  Outrageous!

Next they'll suspend Gul Dukat's account!

https://twitter.com/realGulDukat?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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The Lounge / Re: Aussie wildlife
« on: January 08, 2021, 01:52:49 PM »
I've read somewhere that where they eat dogs there's certain breeds that they consider pets and certain breeds that are considered food.

Could be wrong on that.  I don't know where I read that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 08, 2021, 01:41:02 PM »
Let's not jump to conclusions.  Perhaps he felt that the best way to stop the steal was to redress all the low voltage cabling in the capitol.  Perhaps even upgrade it to cat 6 or fiber.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 08, 2021, 01:12:01 PM »
I wonder if these people are surprised that they're being arrested or happy that they get to be martyrs for Trump.

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The Lounge / Re: Aussie wildlife
« on: January 08, 2021, 11:58:17 AM »
I wonder if python is tasty. I've eaten rattlesnake, it's not bad.

I've eaten rattlesnake.  It's, um, not what I expected.  I don't know what I expected but it's not that.

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The biggest improvement in the Senate will be that Mitch can't stop bills from being debated and voted on.
Well, there's still the filibuster.

Yes but that's on an individual senator. 

The clever thing about what Mitch has done as the senate leader is that by not even allowing a vote he takes all the heat from any member of his party.  This is the reason that he's the most unpopular member of congress.  But it doesn't matter because he represents Kentucky.

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Unless they blow up the 2/3 rule.  They probably won't do that though.  Biden is very centrist and there are enough democrats in the senate that are centrist enough that they probably would vote against it.

With the democrats controlling the senate, well I guess something will get done.  I seriously doubt that anything as bold as statehood for Puerto Rico or packing the supreme court is going to happen. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 08, 2021, 10:27:10 AM »
I have mixed feelings about this.  Trump being at the inauguration is an important endorsement of the legitimacy of Biden's administration.  On the other hand does anybody seriously think that Trump wouldn't just shit up the entire event?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: January 08, 2021, 09:34:17 AM »
I don't know about you but I'm really hoping trump has enough time left in office to release a commemorative coin on that time he incited an insurrection against congress.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 08, 2021, 08:50:24 AM »
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/maga-internet-turns-on-trump-456490

Magaheads are reacting to Trump's concession very strangely.  Apparently because Trump said a "new administration" and not a "Biden administration" will start on Jan 20 they think that Trump is somehow this new administration. 

Interesting.  But then Trump also tweeted that he's not going to attend the inauguration.  Which if this theory is correct then it would be his own inauguration for his second term...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 08, 2021, 08:35:10 AM »
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/07/media/josh-hawley-book-canceled/index.html

Josh Hawley's book deal has been cancelled over this.  What a strange world where corporate America is trying to reign in shitheads when the government won't.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: January 08, 2021, 08:31:55 AM »
Is it customary to immortalise a president in the form of a statue? If so, can you guys skip the 45th?

No.  Very gauche.  We will occasionally carve a mountain into their visage but you really have to kill a lot of native Americans for that honor.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 07, 2021, 04:48:26 PM »
https://twitter.com/i/status/1347334804052844550

This is... not a great concession speech but there it is.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: January 07, 2021, 04:37:48 PM »
Chad Wolf, the acting chief of homeland security asked Trump to condemn the violence.  Trump withdraws his nomination which effectively fires him.

There is a detail in all this that's not being given the attention it deserves if true.  Trump resisted sending in the national guard for something like 2 hours.  He only gave in when his family started pressuring him.  Think about that.  Trump watches an angry mob invade congress and... he maybe wants to see how it plays out?

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