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The Lounge / A death in two parts: Part one, "thank you"
« on: June 27, 2017, 02:57:45 AM »
(Part two is me bitching about the cost of funerals)

This is a rough draft

About 5 years ago my sister called me tell me that our mother was going to have heart surgery to have a pacemaker installed.  People were worried but treating it as though it were a fairly routine operation.  Which is true.

But I saw it differently.  You see our grandparents had passed around after long battles with strokes and heart disease.  The day I got that news sometimes during the day.  At night, my girlfriend and I were watching a movie.  After it was done she turned and looked at me.  “Why is your face wet?  Have you been crying?”  It took me off guard since I wasn’t aware I was crying.  So I explained to her that even though this is routine I felt it in my heart that this was the beginning of the end.  That every word we exchange is precious. 

During this time my girlfriend(who I would describe as the woman who loves me the second most in the world) and I got married and had two beautiful children.  We live in a different part of the country but still we made sure that my family could come up every now and then and share in our joy.  We bought them a house which was a vast improvement over the borderline safety violation of a trailer they were living in before.

During the Summer of 2016 our daughter Lilly was born.  Kyra had a bad anxiety disorder which made it difficult to travel.  So Helda was kind enough to get them up to Salt Lake to visit.  Mom met Lilly.  We went to th Zoo.  Had a barbecue at the park.  Then it was time for them to leave to go back to Vegas.  This would be the last time I ever talked to my in person.

Six months later:  We’re moving into our new house.  Very busy day so I didn’t immediately notice the flurry of messages I was getting.  When things slowed down and I finally started reading these messages it felt unreal.  Like I was in a nightmare.  My mother was having a stroke and they would have to operate on her as soon as possible.  My sister put her on the phone.  I put her on speaker phone.  I tried to get my small children to say hi.  The conversation was cut short.  I didn’t say “I love you”,  she knows damn well that I love her. 

That would be the last time I spoke to my mother in this life.

The surgery seemed to go well but she just never quite woke up.  My sister and father spent time with her every day.  I visited several times.  Things just kept seeming worse and worse.  Two months in I started trying to let go of her.  On June 23, 2017 they decided to put her into hospice care.  I can’t fault this decision.  I took the family down so that I could be with her when she died which happened the next day in the afternoon. 

I’ve never lost someone important to me before I didn’t know how I would handle it.  I expected grief, sadness maybe some depression.  I’m sure I’m going to be processing this for a long time but I have to say that the emotion I feel the most right now is gratitude.  Like at the end of a great song you’re glad you heard it.  Don’t misunderstand me.  I am sad.  I miss my mom.  I’m not a believer in an afterlife but I hope I get to see her again somebody.  I hope she’s passed from this paradise to the next.  But if I could pick just one more thing to say to my mother it would be “thank you”.

The Lounge / Here is a flat earth credit card mockup
« on: June 19, 2017, 01:59:52 PM »

There's a method to my madness.  I have a problem where my credit cards wear out.  Then I heard that some credit card companies have metal credit cards such as the Amex Centurion.  But that has a yearly fee of like $2500 or something.  Then I looked further and found out that there's a company that'll create a metal card for you.  Then I wondered what kind of pattern I would put on it and I thought of what a flat earth card would look like.

Then I found out that Amazon will give me a metal credit card just for having a prime account which I already have.  But I thought I'd share this anyways.

Arts & Entertainment / Show me some freaking sweet architecture
« on: June 15, 2017, 10:03:50 AM »
Years ago my job sent me to Paris for a few days.  One of the places I visited as the Louvre.  The building itself was more interesting to me than the artwork.  I'm pretty sure I'm more of an architecture guy than an art guy.  The coolest thing I saw there, besides the city itself, was Notre-Dame de Paris.

Arts & Entertainment / He was the Batman
« on: June 10, 2017, 11:15:44 PM »

I'd like to think he had a good life.  That's the impression I get from all those cameos on Family Guy and The Simpsons.  Anyone who can make fun of himself that much must be at peace with himself.

The Lounge / The joys of living in a farm town.
« on: May 23, 2017, 04:00:14 PM »
Saturday, 9:00pm:

Cat #1 runs in from the dog door with something in it's mouth. 

House status is upgraded to possible mouse intrusion.

Cat #1 releases what was previously thought to be a mouse. 

House status is upgraded to possible bird intrusion.

Cat #1 loses interest.  Cat #2 stairs ahead stupidly.  Cat #3 resumes the hunt.

Flying creature starts circling.

House status is upgraded to definite bat intrusion.

Cat #3 apprehends said bat and escorts it from the property.


Consulted the vet.  Turns out there's a small risk of rabies.  So they have to be quarantined, for 45 days.  The quarantine zone is right outside of my home office.  I have a fun night ahead of me watching youtube videos of cats with rabies and studying the symptoms so I know what to look for.  It's very interesting and unsettling at the same time.

We've seen a lot of outages lately.  And there's been some criticism leveled at John Davis over it.  Maybe some of it is fair but I know how criticism can wear down on someone.  So I'm writing this just to let John Davis, SpaceCowGirl, Jroa, Gotham(I think all the other mods of MIA), and the admins on the "other" site to let them know that I feel a debt for gratitude for all of your hard work.


Couldn't decide to put this here or complete nonsense or angry ranting.  So in the Oval office there's two chairs right by the fireplace.  This is usually where the president and whatever head of another country is sitting for photo ops. 

There's been a few stories here and there, fluff pieces really, about Trump having awkward moments with visiting heads of state.

So yeah, haha, Trump has a minor diplomatic blunder.  But try to ignore the story behind it and look closer.  Here's another one with Trump sitting by the fireplace.

Yeah, Trump looks awkward here too.  But look at Obama.  At first glance he seems fine but if you look closer you'll see that this is not the look of a man who is enjoying that chair at all.

And going back even further we see more presidents who are obviously hiding the fact that they hate these chairs.

Nixon, looks like he's clenching his butt muscles.

George W, doesn't look too uncomfortable but he's almost certainly high so it doesn't count.

Reagan, either tilting to one side to slowly let out a fart or trying to ease the burden on his hemorroids.

Ditto Bush 41, it's possible he contracted flatulence from Reagan.

Clinton, I don't even want to speculate as to what this expression on his face is supposed to mean but I'm sure it's filthy and still he obviously hates sitting there.

Furthermore in all of these pictures the chairs are always different.  So someone has been buying new chairs with every new administration and nobody brings up how terrible these chairs are.

Not even Trump could push for something like this?

Yeah he looks like a murderous mob boss here but he also looks comfy.  I don't know where I'm going with this.  I just taking the sitting experience very seriously and it irks me that no U.S. president seems to think this is a priority.

Right now.  It's gray and slightly less gray.

Yep, there's my first world problem.

Technology, Science & Alt Science / FES, it's your time to fight!
« on: May 08, 2017, 12:35:21 AM »
Trump's agenda to repeal net neutrality is upon us.  Trump intends to repeal it because... reasons I guess?  Maybe job killing or something?

Anyways here's a good summary of why net neutrality is a good thing.

Here's the link to harass someone in congress.  I forget who.  I got it form "Last Week Tonight"

*edit: fixed the address.  They still don't make it easy.  This link brings up the ironically titled proceeding "Restoring Internet Freedom".  To the right of it is a link "Express".  That's where you can make a comment. 

Macron to become next French president after beating back Le Pen and her populist tide

Now they just have to try to not die from boredom from having a centrist banker as a president.

Arts & Entertainment / Childe Roland to the Dark Tower Came
« on: May 03, 2017, 12:21:59 PM »
Okay so this is happening.  I'm not sure what to think yet.  But I read all the books though so even if it's 180 minutes of Stephen King farting in a bucket I'm still going to see it.

We sort of use it that way anyways.  Every time this site goes down I think their traffic quintuples.

Hmm... maybe they're behind the attacks.

Suggestions & Concerns / Could we get an option to hide people's sigs?
« on: April 19, 2017, 02:22:43 PM »
Some people are abusing this feature.  I think you all know who I'm referring to.

Intikam.  It's Intikam's ridiculously long signature if that's unclear.

Arts & Entertainment / My beauty and the Beast Review
« on: April 06, 2017, 01:57:03 AM »
Quick grade: A-

They did an excellent job with production values.  Bright clothes.  Tight choreography.  The chick from Harry Potter I felt wasn't right for the part but I warmed up to her towards the end.  Everyone else was well cast.  They expanded the story in several places.  I think they're all good changes that make the growing romance between Belle and the Beast more believer.  Such as establishing that they both lost their mothers early in life and that Belle and her father moved from Paris to avoid to plague.  Which explains why her and her father always seemed like outsiders in that village.  The only thing I didn't like was the motion capture special effects, particularly on the Beast.  It just didn't "feel" right. 

Now I was aware of a gay scene going in.  I didn't hear anyone elaborate and I think I know why.  It takes you a bit off guard.  It was right after unsuccessfully reaching the castle for the first time.  Gaston and LeFou tie up Belle's father and leave him for dead.  LeFou gives him an endless amount of grief for it but later they make up.  Boy do they make up for it.  I don't want to be too graphic but it must have gone on for 90 seconds at least.  They didn't show anything inappropriate for a rated G film but I did hear a lot of grunts, slapping sounds and the noise your foot makes when you pull it out of wet mud.  But it seemed pretty tasteful and I felt that it added to the general atmosphere.

So Joe Rogan is one of my favorite podcasters.  There's a weird recurring thing that's been going on for the last year or so.  Nearly every episode the flat earth comes up.  I'm not sure if you're familiar with him but Rogan is a pretty open minded guy.  I doubt you'll convince him but he won't just mock you the entire time.  And given how often he's mentioned the flat earth he might be open to interviewing you.  It would also be great publicity for this site.

Think about it.

I've done so much work around the house that I'm out of material.  I'm open to suggestions.  My current list of feeds is:

Common Sense with Dan Carlin
Dan Carlin's Hardcore History
Dogma Debate
Freakonomics Radio
Startalk Radio
Stuff you should know
The Atheist Experience
The Dave Ramsey Show
The Joe Rogan Experience
The Nerdist
The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
This American Life
WTF with Marc Maron
You Made it Weird

Universities have a history of granting honorary degrees to men of great significance. Even Obama got a Nobel peace prize preemptively. I believe Trump would be more receptive to the idea of a flat earth than any other modern president. Therefore I'm suggesting that this society make Donald J Trump, president of the United States of America, a lifetime honorary member of the Zetetic Council of the Flat Earth Society.

Flat Earth General / Naval combat and the shape of the Earth.
« on: January 05, 2017, 02:02:54 PM »
So here's an interesting way the shape of the Earth comes up in real life.

Apparently anti-ship missiles are designed to fly as low as possible in order to stay in the radar shadow of whatever warship they're targetting.

Saw this mentioned in another thread.  I figured it deserves its own.

The riddle is:

Are right actions right because God commands them? Or are Right actions commanded by God because they are right?

It's a deceptively simple question.

Or if reading isn't your thing:

The Lounge / More proof that Australia is terrifying
« on: November 20, 2016, 01:09:57 AM »

Too long?  Let me sum it up:  Wedged tailed eagles are fighting mining drones in the sky, and they're winning!

Stay the Hell away from Australia if you want to live!

Arts & Entertainment / Leonard Cohen 1934-2016
« on: November 10, 2016, 07:12:27 PM »
Rest in peace.

Flat Earth Q&A / Soooo... How does this place stay in business
« on: October 31, 2016, 08:36:00 PM »
I'd do more of a search for this but the search function is perpetually broken.

I imagine a forum isn't too expensive to run but I doubt it's free. There's a store but it's always "coming soon". There's some kind of medallion but it's never available. There's a user base but no advertising.

Is there some well off flat earther that doesn't  mind financing this? Is it really that cheap to run a forum?

Or is it secretly funded by nasa and the shriners?

So I'm seeing some questions pop up about basic science and astronomy.  I'm aware that many flat earthers have had an education involving this stuff but it seems that a lot haven't.

So here's a playlist from a Youtube channel called CrashCourse covering basic Astronomy.

Here's some playlists from a channel called PBS Space Time that covers over the more advanced stuff.

Quantum Mechanics:

Time and Matter:


General Relativity:

The second video in this playlist "Is Gravity an illusion" is particularly relevant here since it touches on Einstein's equivalency principle.

Most of the information in these videos isn't new.  What is new about these is how concise and too the point they are.  Previously documentaries on this subject were made to conform to televisions spots.  So they tended to include a lot of fillter to make the 42 minute runtime fit.  These channels though take advantage of the flexibility Youtube offers.  CrashCourse is particularly densely packed.  All of their other topics are great by the way. 

Anyways have fun.

So I'm not really posting this to spark a debate.  People are going to believe what they believe.  I just thought it might be of interest to this forum.  This is a 3 part series about the moon landing conspiracy in the Skeptoid podcast released not too long ago.

This first part is the history of the moon hoax conspiracy.  It's interesting because apparently it has it's roots in the flat earth movement.

The second part lists the evidence against the moon landing.  Nothing new there.

The third part lists the evidence for the moon landing.  What's news to me is that we have photographic evidence of the landing sites from a source other than the Apollo missions.

Have fun.

Not sure what the technical name for this feature is. On some forums where a post is longer than a set length the rest of it is hidden with a read more link.

One poster in particular posts copy pasta so long that any thread he participates in becomes damn near unreadable.

Flat Earth Q&A / So what's with the "other" site.
« on: July 20, 2016, 04:13:04 PM »
Is it against the TOS to talk about it?  There seems to be another flat earth forum and the content and layout are so similar I thought they were the same site at first.  What's going on with that?

Sorry for the noob question.

Flat Earth Q&A / YouTube links?
« on: July 10, 2016, 01:03:35 AM »
I realize this topic has probably come up but I figured the list of good videos is always changing.

Can anyone recommend some good flat earth theory or debate videos. I'd prefer to avoid the ones that are heavy into the whole conspiracy theory thing.


Flat Earth Q&A / A basic question about the flat earth model
« on: July 05, 2016, 02:12:15 PM »
Apologies if this is answered elsewhere, I did search.  So according to FE, the world is surrounded on all sides by an ice wall, Antarctica,  meaning if I travel in any direction I will eventually hit it.  But according to RE Antarctica doesn't surround anything.  So if I travel east or west I'll hit ocean, continent, ocean and then the same continent I started on.  Now if you were very curious and had the time and resources on your hands you could circumnavigate the globe and prove that the Earth is at least cylindrical.  So what am I missing here?  I'm not trying to antagonize, just understand.  It seems like an obvious challenge to FE.  Is this covered somewhere and I just missed it?


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