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Flat Earth General / Re: 100% proof of flat earth
« on: May 31, 2016, 03:45:50 PM »
...but here's what my Star Walk app shows for your location and time:
His watch showed May 29.

Oh.  Well then: 



Special green cheese kind of moon in that Star Walk app, uh...

WTF dude?

What?  I had the moon selected when I screenshot it.  Hence why it's green.  I thought that was obvious.

Do you think no one can pick out the Moon if they see it? Do you need to highlight? Covering up something erroneous with the software?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat earth scam? Nasa Hoax?
« on: May 31, 2016, 03:44:09 PM »
Now the word is spreading faster, and faster people are starting to add FLAT Earth - to all their unrelated videos. People are excited about their increase in page views. Whoo, more money!

This is to muddy waters, discredit, and lead interested people nowhere.  The serious FE OP's on youtube are just scraping by on views, Jeranism even posts his stats.  Maybe someone has a unique idea to sell T's but they are the exception.

It has taken awhile to catch up, but the fakers, shills, manipulators etc are really starting to try at this point.  One of their favorite tactics is to come here, create a new account and post some bs trying to cause confusion on how flat earth is a scam using one of big 3 control phrases, such as there is no evidence for flat earth an no one believes it.
Geranium attacks by making the viewer endure hundreds of completely false arguments against the globe, with little real evidence of a flat earth. Those videos just try to wear the viewer down and answering all his silly claims would take weeks.

You talk about "evidence for flat earth". What is there? "The earth looks flat" and "I can't understand the Globe."

Almost all posts on this site argue about misconceptions of the Globe:
 - gravitation,
 - rotation, 1000 mph speed at the equator,
 - atmosphere getting lost to the infinite vacuum of space,
 - etc, etc.
But little justifying the many illogicalities of "Flat Earth Theory". When I try to bring these up (eg lunar eclipses, full moons, etc) the topics get ignored by Flat Earthers. I don't think many have really considered the implications of the idea of a Flat Earth.
 
I have started a thread that proves (to my complete satisfaction at least) that the measurements of the (real) earth do not fit any Flat Map. What happened to the thread Measurements of the Earth Prove it cannot be Flat, yes almost ignored.

It is you...coming here to flat earth forum...arguing...

What you, by your own admission, label purely subjective...

It should not surprise you if your subjective views are ignored if erroneous.

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Flat Earth General / Re: 100% proof of flat earth
« on: May 31, 2016, 03:39:39 PM »
...but here's what my Star Walk app shows for your location and time:
His watch showed May 29.

Oh.  Well then: 



Special green cheese kind of moon in that Star Walk app, uh...

WTF dude?

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Legba's the main attraction here, boy...

I could drop trous in the middle of the street and leave a loaf for all to see, I would get plenty of attention. Not good attention but its attention. Did no one in grade school ever teach you the difference between good and bad attention?

A fake rocket that defies every single law of physics & aerodynamic principle ever?
Just because something is not understood does not mean it is not a reality.


If this is all for financial gain (my only assumption of the point of such "conspiracy") how much do they really make?? I mean really? You spend 50 million dollars making a fake rocket to be able to embezzle 50 million dollars??? That is just a break even...whats the point? Especially since the government has proven it can just take the money..deal with the consequences later. Then if crap really hits the fan, just blow up a part of the Pentagon and be done with the evidence like that.

I am sure there will be no direct answer to this just like any other question I ask you.

Who says they spent 50 million on a rocket? Have you seen a rocket from SpaceX? Touched it?

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Flat Earth General / Re: 100% proof of flat earth
« on: May 31, 2016, 03:27:18 PM »
You seem to be assuming that the moon is a few thousand miles over the earth.  It's not.  It's about 250,000 miles away, roughly 10x the circumference of the earth.  I didn't watch your video, because we've reached our satellite data limit for the month, but here's what my Star Walk app shows for your location and time:



Star Walk works based on a round earth.  If that image matches what you saw, that's evidence against the flat earth, not for it. 
If

LOL...

Try again Copernicus...

Your Star Walk app does not even show correct phase...

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat earth scam? Nasa Hoax?
« on: May 31, 2016, 03:19:30 PM »
Is flat Earth a scam used to strengthen the NASA hoax conspiracy?

No

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Maybe?

No

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How would it work?

It would not work.

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Let's see.

Choose your audience.

1. Target the people who believe NASA faked the moon landing and only wants money.

2. Target the people who think the government lies and only want money.

3. Target the uneducated who didn't do well in school, thus, blaming their hardships, and lack of money on the school systems.

4. Target the god fearing, bigots, who give all their money to the church, who also struggle with education, and daily expenses.

5. Wait for bored people who find entertainment in the topic to start spreading the word.

The government does want your money. They will stop at nothing to get it, up to and including force and threat of imprisonment.

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Now start with the brainwashing.

1. NASA faked the moon landing. The earth is flat.

2. Nasa faked the moon landing; The government has lied to you. The earth is flat.

3. Nasa faked the moon landing; education is a lie. The school systems lied with the fake pictures of the moon landing; The horizon is flat, you don't need the education to see with your eyes. The earth is flat.

4. Nasa faked the moon landing; The Bible says the earth can not be moved. There is a firmament above the earth. Therefore preventing anyone from going to space, the moon is behind the firmament. The earth is flat.

Now, what?

Now we have tons of gullible supporters for the NASA conspiracy.

However, that is not enough. Let's wait for the bored and greedy people.

Now the word is spreading faster, and faster people are starting to add FLAT Earth - to all their unrelated videos. People are excited about their increase in page views. Whoo, more money!

So now everyone is supporting, Flat Earth, for money... How Ironic.

Barely anyone one cared about the moon hoax. Before the flat earth brainwashing.

Does it seem like a truth movement? Or a scam?

I do not know of anyone person making any kind of money of the concept of flat earth or NASA hoax or conspiracy. Do you have proof someone is making money off of these topics? If so, what kind of money do you think they are pulling in? Why are you BLOWING THE LID off this scam and not cashing in? Do you have a high FUCKING STANDARD OF ETHICS?

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Are there any proofs for a flat earth. Are the so called proofs all fabricated? Are people being tricked into thinking there is proof? Are people being told to turn off their programming? Have you or anyone else heard or told someone everything they/you know is a lie? Have you been reprogramed? Were you told that riddance of your education is the only way to open your eyes? If so did you realize that uneducated people are re-educating you...? Do you realize that you will see the earth the same way you did with your eyes no matter how you look at it? Because the sun still rises and set, and life goes on? You still have to eat and sleep, and pay bills. Nothing has changed, besides your lack of education?

You decide...

Proofs = no
Questions = yes

But for you to come here and trot out this fucking bullshit about money being made off the concepts is just plain fucking stupid. What happened to your fucking edumacation? NASA is making money hand over fist and what is worse, your fucking tax dollars are going toward fucking private industry in the form of corporate welfare.

On second thought, take this idea or concept you got and just go pound fucking sand. you fascist apologist.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: FE believers let me change your life
« on: May 31, 2016, 12:07:47 PM »
Suitable build location exists in your fucking fantasy fucking land of a mind...sick bastard.

:P ::) Gee, I think you've really lost the plot with that sort outburst!  :P :: )

And, just what keeps your feet on the ground? But, on reflection, I guess the answer is nothing!

I keep my feet on the ground until I am ready to go under the ground.

You do not KNOW it is gravity. You admitted yourself the ability to MIMICKED! We know forces and can easily replicate and demonstrate them IN ACTION, THUS PROVE THEM!!!

So put your mystical G back in your fucking pocket...or go build an altar...

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is that you, papa legba?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating
if you are interested

And it is relevant in dating materials to what age?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: water always finds level?
« on: May 31, 2016, 11:57:33 AM »
Yep...just as I thought...ALL OF YOU IN A COMBINED CHORUS!!!

"IT CANNOT BE DONE!!! IT CANNOT BE DONE!!!"

And of course, the fact an experiment cannot be used to demonstrate ANY ASPECT OF THE SUPPOSED EFFECT OF GRAVITY ON WATER causes NONE OF YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES A PROBLEM...yet, we would be the ones labeled deficient?

Convex water, simply because of a miracle "g"...I spit in all of your faces...
Real low type aren't you!
Just admit that some things simply cannot be modeled on a small scale.
Nevertheless the value of the Universal Gravitational Constant has been measured numerous time, obtaining quite reasonable agreement with Henry Cavendish's measurements in 1797–1798, so gravity has been measured and is real!

What is the original topic, short bus rider? Answer = Water and its level
Is the OP about a flat earth model? Answer = Fuck no
Finally = STFU about me building a model and you get busy admitting you believe horseshit. You are the one who cannot replicate anything.


...And to top it off, just because you cannot perform an experiment on a small scale proves nothing.

All your cussin', splutterin' an' spittin' won't get you anywhere. It won't change the facts. It makes you look a poor loser.

It proves you cannot demonstrate your hypothesis and therefore your original premise (water in terms of millions of trillions of gallons) does NOT exist in a convex state on the supposed globe. You are the loser. Not me.

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And this peanut gallery short bus joker wants us to equate the pretty pictures with a rocket!!!

Disingenuous bastards are really sick...

Of course anyone that disagrees with the Exalted Total Lackey just has to be sick!

If all you can do is insult your opponents you must be a loser! What about coming with a few facts?

Fact one...you are fucking delusional if you believe in reusable rocket boosters...or just a fucking ignoramus...

Fact two, the pictures presented HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH FUCKING ROCKET BOOSTERS!

Facts relevant to the discussion. The fact one of them can be classified as insulting to particular readers is of no consequence to me.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: FE believers let me change your life
« on: May 30, 2016, 04:13:09 AM »
Ok guys. You can use all the magic and shadow forces you want, but you can't disprove this. . I'm sure we all seen the FE model the but look at it again. When you look at the moon and the sun as they show in every FE map model you will notice that the moon is tital locked. That's the only thing accurate on this map. Watch how it orbits the Sun.  The moon should be at different places in different times.If the earth was flat then South America, half of Africa and Austraila would see the dark side. It's in there own models. Ok. Lets look at Australia's moon right now. Giving the time difference of 8 hours from Seattle, it's 315 right now here, 815 am right now in Austrailia. There moon rose at 636am. In Seattle the moon rose at 604am. So the moon is in both skies at this very moment. If the earth was flat this would be impossible right? Not only that, but no matter where you are in this planet, the moon Will look the same to everyone . Its at a 96.4 waxing gibbious in Seattle, France, Africa, where ever you live guys. We all see the same phase and moon side. Further more how can I be looking at this side of the moon while Sydney can to at this very moment? Why isn't South America seeing the dark side? Never mind the fact that If the moon was 30 miles up, Austrailia and the US. could not see the same moon according to There own FE maps. Because the earth is round and orbits the Sun and the moon which is millions of miles away we all see the same thing. I have live pics of the moon in 5 different countries right now. Bring it on FE.

Please build me a scale globe, complete with actual water sticking to it and you got me...

If you buy me 5.972 × 10^24 kg of rock than I will.

No you fucking won't...because your magical "g" does not exist...no more than the other magical "G."

Oh trust me, the G exists, can be hard to find but once you get it its magic 😂.

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If you buy me 5.972 × 10^24 kg of rock than I will.


Also supply labour, earth moving equipment, anything else  I need and a suitable build location and it's done.

Suitable build location exists in your fucking fantasy fucking land of a mind...sick bastard.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: water always finds level?
« on: May 30, 2016, 03:49:52 AM »
Yep...just as I thought...ALL OF YOU IN A COMBINED CHORUS!!!

"IT CANNOT BE DONE!!! IT CANNOT BE DONE!!!"

And of course, the fact an experiment cannot be used to demonstrate ANY ASPECT OF THE SUPPOSED EFFECT OF GRAVITY ON WATER causes NONE OF YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES A PROBLEM...yet, we would be the ones labeled deficient?

Convex water, simply because of a miracle "g"...I spit in all of your faces...
Real low type aren't you!

But as "Definitely Not Official" requested and
"Provide a scale model of FE with the sun and moon floating above it? No! Some stuff just can't be modeled like that. "
I am serious, because the whole idea of sun, moon and stars floating around up there with no support and looks ridiculous to me!

Also, I have often queried the Flat Earth explanation of moon phases and lunar eclipses. Please look up "the Wiki" and see how the Flat Earth model explains these, then build a scale model to prove that it does or does not work.

Likewise, I think that the Flat Earth explanation of sunrise and sunset is completely false, especially the part about how the sun (and moon for that matter) stay the same apparent size all day (or night). Please make a desktop model to show how this works (or fails).

Please put up or shut up.

Just admit that some things simply cannot be modeled on a small scale.
Nevertheless the value of the Universal Gravitational Constant has been measured numerous time, obtaining quite reasonable agreement with Henry Cavendish's measurements in 1797–1798, so gravity has been measured and is real!

What is the original topic, short bus rider? Answer = Water and its level
Is the OP about a flat earth model? Answer = Fuck no
Finally = STFU about me building a model and you get busy admitting you believe horseshit. You are the one who cannot replicate anything.

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A rocket will fly only if the centre of gravity is ahead of the centre of pressure far enough to allow air currents to cause a stabilising effect.


Again, you don't include another principle from the model rocketry page you quote:

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What degree of stability is required? Experience has shown that if the center of gravity and the center of pressure are determined as outlined above, your rocket will have ample stability if the center of gravity is ahead of the center of pressure by at least one half the diameter (caliber) of your rocket.

That's the take off.

As for the landing, if these contraptions can fly around and land using only the balance of the pilot and his limited and slow processing capabilities, I don't see how a modern rocket with the advent of modern accurate sensing systems and fast computer processing capability couldn't do something similar.



Indeed, even a Harrier is able to land with its thrust component located on the bottom of the craft.
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And this peanut gallery short bus joker wants us to equate the pretty pictures with a rocket!!!

Disingenuous bastards are really sick...

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SpaceX's launch today didn't necessarily break any space records but the rocket-cam video may have broken the record for coolest video ever.  I'm hoping we get a full-length hi-def version soon.



That you all believe this fucking bullshit is what is amazing and sick!

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radiocarbon dating, for starters.

ROCKET SURGEON!!! LMAO!!!

Want to try again, sparky?

Radio carbon dating? Do you pull this shit out of your arse before it goes to your head?

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The Earth has been spinning since its formation, and here's why:

Material closer to the sun moved faster than material farther away in the proto-disk. When it clumped together under gravity, this motion made it spin. Due to a lack of friction (apart from a few tidal forces, which by the way, ARE slowly slowing the Earth's rotation) the Earth continues to rotate.

Trust him...he was fucking there!

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Tidal forces, due to gravity.  Same thing that causes ocean tides.

gravity doesnt exist

;D ;D Newton's apple fell, what evidence do you have that it wasn't gravity?...No, you can't simply say "gravity doesnt exist", without some very solid evidence.

The only "evidence" for the non-existence of gravity is that it doesn't fit with your idea that the earth is flat, and the only real basis for that is "it looks flat". From what I can see all other evidence points to it's being a globe.
One: Yes, one can state gravity does not exist, as gravity has yet to be proven to exist, despite your protestations and puffery and outright buffoonery and tantrums claiming otherwise...
Two: The fact the Earth, "looks flat," is the most convincing evidence that one could ask for and would require an extreme amount of counter evidence to be demonstrated LIVE AND IN LIVING COLOR to be performed, despite your protestations and puffery and outright buffoonery and tantrums claiming otherwise...

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But why is the conditional important, when i already said that gravity doesn't exist? Sorry if I took you out of context.
Okay, if you say so, then it must be true.
Oxygen does not exist. Too bad, you are dead. As we all are.

If you say gravity does not exist, the continued spinning is the least problem of the round earth model.
But if you want to disprove round earth, you have to find an inconsistency within the model, and the model includes gravity.

Gravity is a fictitious force.

Don't use terms you don't understand to try to disprove a model you don't understand.  For our purposes, we consider gravity to be a force.

Greater than the other "g."

Beware!

Can't explain it, but trust us...its there...

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Firstly, hello! I'm Joe, and I'm new to this site. I've been researching FE in depth for a while now, and I'm looking forward to some intelligent discussion on this forum.

One thing that round earth theory relies on, but I've never seen justified, is the unending spin of the earth. Spin anything, anywhere, and you'll see that it eventually slows down. The same would be true for a globe earth - even if it starts off spinning at a gazillion miles per hour, it won't be spinning that fast for very long, and it certainly won't keep spinning for millions of years! Because everything observed slows down when spun, and round earth theory is a claim that opposes this, the burden of proof is on the round earth theory believers to justify why earth keeps spinning so fast.

So basically, how does your theory explain the spinning of the earth after all this time?  :-\
God keeps it in motion with his power and its only been spinning in a complete vacuum for 6000 years.

LMAO!!!

You are fucking kidding right?

Citation please!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: water always finds level?
« on: May 29, 2016, 04:13:14 PM »
Yep...just as I thought...ALL OF YOU IN A COMBINED CHORUS!!!

"IT CANNOT BE DONE!!! IT CANNOT BE DONE!!!"

And of course, the fact an experiment cannot be used to demonstrate ANY ASPECT OF THE SUPPOSED EFFECT OF GRAVITY ON WATER causes NONE OF YOU FUCKING ASSHOLES A PROBLEM...yet, we would be the ones labeled deficient?

Convex water, simply because of a miracle "g"...I spit in all of your faces...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: FE believers let me change your life
« on: May 29, 2016, 04:02:13 PM »


Please build me a scale globe, complete with actual water sticking to it and you got me...
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If you buy me 5.972 × 10^24 kg of rock than I will.
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Dip a beach ball in a bath. Take it out. Shake it. Is it wet on the top or everywhere?
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Short bus comment as the reason a ball gets wet has nothing to do with water remaining fastened to the ball at depth true to scale and for the reasons given in support of a globe.

You guys claim science yet deny the most basic tenets...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: FE believers let me change your life
« on: May 29, 2016, 03:59:53 PM »
Ok guys. You can use all the magic and shadow forces you want, but you can't disprove this. . I'm sure we all seen the FE model the but look at it again. When you look at the moon and the sun as they show in every FE map model you will notice that the moon is tital locked. That's the only thing accurate on this map. Watch how it orbits the Sun.  The moon should be at different places in different times.If the earth was flat then South America, half of Africa and Austraila would see the dark side. It's in there own models. Ok. Lets look at Australia's moon right now. Giving the time difference of 8 hours from Seattle, it's 315 right now here, 815 am right now in Austrailia. There moon rose at 636am. In Seattle the moon rose at 604am. So the moon is in both skies at this very moment. If the earth was flat this would be impossible right? Not only that, but no matter where you are in this planet, the moon Will look the same to everyone . Its at a 96.4 waxing gibbious in Seattle, France, Africa, where ever you live guys. We all see the same phase and moon side. Further more how can I be looking at this side of the moon while Sydney can to at this very moment? Why isn't South America seeing the dark side? Never mind the fact that If the moon was 30 miles up, Austrailia and the US. could not see the same moon according to There own FE maps. Because the earth is round and orbits the Sun and the moon which is millions of miles away we all see the same thing. I have live pics of the moon in 5 different countries right now. Bring it on FE.

Please build me a scale globe, complete with actual water sticking to it and you got me...

If you buy me 5.972 × 10^24 kg of rock than I will.

No you fucking won't...because your magical "g" does not exist...no more than the other magical "G."

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: FE believers let me change your life
« on: May 29, 2016, 03:58:00 PM »
Ok guys. You can use all the magic and shadow forces you want, but you can't disprove this. . I'm sure we all seen the FE model the but look at it again. When you look at the moon and the sun as they show in every FE map model you will notice that the moon is tital locked. That's the only thing accurate on this map. Watch how it orbits the Sun.  The moon should be at different places in different times.If the earth was flat then South America, half of Africa and Austraila would see the dark side. It's in there own models. Ok. Lets look at Australia's moon right now. Giving the time difference of 8 hours from Seattle, it's 315 right now here, 815 am right now in Austrailia. There moon rose at 636am. In Seattle the moon rose at 604am. So the moon is in both skies at this very moment. If the earth was flat this would be impossible right? Not only that, but no matter where you are in this planet, the moon Will look the same to everyone . Its at a 96.4 waxing gibbious in Seattle, France, Africa, where ever you live guys. We all see the same phase and moon side. Further more how can I be looking at this side of the moon while Sydney can to at this very moment? Why isn't South America seeing the dark side? Never mind the fact that If the moon was 30 miles up, Austrailia and the US. could not see the same moon according to There own FE maps. Because the earth is round and orbits the Sun and the moon which is millions of miles away we all see the same thing. I have live pics of the moon in 5 different countries right now. Bring it on FE.

Please build me a scale globe, complete with actual water sticking to it and you got me...

No, because that's not how gravity works.

Short bus comment...full of cognitive dissonance...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: FE believers let me change your life
« on: May 29, 2016, 03:56:42 PM »
Before I build a globe, you explain to me why were all seeing the same exact moon. You don't believe in science, understand Newton laws and I doubt you believe we have an atmosphere. Do you think if the world is round people would fall off the earth? I will explain it though if you like.

LOL...Are you going to build the globe or just admit you cannot build it...

The rest of your post is just hoakum...Not even based in reality.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: FE believers let me change your life
« on: May 19, 2016, 04:41:07 PM »
Ok guys. You can use all the magic and shadow forces you want, but you can't disprove this. . I'm sure we all seen the FE model the but look at it again. When you look at the moon and the sun as they show in every FE map model you will notice that the moon is tital locked. That's the only thing accurate on this map. Watch how it orbits the Sun.  The moon should be at different places in different times.If the earth was flat then South America, half of Africa and Austraila would see the dark side. It's in there own models. Ok. Lets look at Australia's moon right now. Giving the time difference of 8 hours from Seattle, it's 315 right now here, 815 am right now in Austrailia. There moon rose at 636am. In Seattle the moon rose at 604am. So the moon is in both skies at this very moment. If the earth was flat this would be impossible right? Not only that, but no matter where you are in this planet, the moon Will look the same to everyone . Its at a 96.4 waxing gibbious in Seattle, France, Africa, where ever you live guys. We all see the same phase and moon side. Further more how can I be looking at this side of the moon while Sydney can to at this very moment? Why isn't South America seeing the dark side? Never mind the fact that If the moon was 30 miles up, Austrailia and the US. could not see the same moon according to There own FE maps. Because the earth is round and orbits the Sun and the moon which is millions of miles away we all see the same thing. I have live pics of the moon in 5 different countries right now. Bring it on FE.

Please build me a scale globe, complete with actual water sticking to it and you got me...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: water always finds level?
« on: May 19, 2016, 04:39:34 PM »
Secondly, water.   It seems fact that water always find level.  But my friend proposed the question,"level to what?". The  presumed curvature of the earth relative to its presumed radius? My presumtion is that level is a straight line. Exactly straight.  And that's where I went looking for a way to prove whether water finds straight level, or whether it follows the curvature of the earth. Pretty hard to prove on my kitchen table.   I'm looking for an experiment. Any suggestions?
I will only try to answer a small part.

Firstly, because gravitation is such a tiny force it is extremely difficult to give any convincing benchtop demonstration. You are always competing with the enormously larger earth. Because of this limitation all the "experiment" demonstrates is that the surface of water need not be straight. It does not attempt to simulate how water can stick to a globe. With that proviso:

Yes, water always finds its own level.

But there is simply no physical law that says that level is a straight line. It is easy to make water deviate from a straight line.
One way is to put it into tank and spin the tank smoothly, as in this video " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Centrifugal Force on Rotating Water Container.

Of course you will say that the water in that tank is not only subject to the downward acceleration of gravity (or whatever you choose to call it), but to an additional "centrifugal acceleration" due the roation. EXACTLY! The nett acceleration is not in a single direction anymore and the surface aligns itself at right angles to this nett acceleration at each location, as illustrated below:


Rotating Water Curving

Now, please understand that the only reason I am showing this it to demonstrate that the surface of water need not be "straight". It simply depends on the local acceleration, here gravity (down) and centrifugal acceleration (outwards). So, at the outside edge the surface of the water is at about 45° to the horizontal.
I am not suggesting that the rotation of the earth holds the oceans in place, it most certainly does not.

On the globe the nett acceleration is just the local acceleration due to gravity and is directed (almost[1]) towards the centre of the earth as in this rather rough illustration:


Water Curves on Globe

In this case the surface of the water is always at right angles to the direction we call "down", in other words it is "level" or "horizontal", so the water still "finds its own level" alright, but that level is not a perfectly straight line. Though on a local scale it is so close to a straight like as to not matter.

Over a distance of one mile the surface of perfectly still water would deviate only a total of 2 inches from level (±1" if you like) as in:


Water nearly Flat on Globe

So, water finds its own level, but over a large distance that level is determined by the local gravity.

[1] Almost towards the centre because the centripetal acceleration caused by the rotation of the earth causes a slight deviation.


Water Curves on Globe

I want you to post a REAL LIVE DEPICTION of replicating this pictured phenomena...an actual man-made demonstration of this in existence...With that depiction, an actual honest explanation of how it was done...

A clear container...holding curved water...man made...replicate it...come on...

When you do, I will have no further need of posting here...

To me, that picture you posted is as ridiculous as bendy light...Which can be bent by the way...in numerous ways...

Thanks.

Sure.  Water droplets form spheres.  Fluids under equal force from all sides form spheres.  In the case of water droplets, that force is surface tension, but for the earth, that force is gravity.  The state of being rounded by gravity is called hydrostatic equilibrium, and it's one of the requirements of being a planet, which the earth fulfills.

Fucking short bus, uh hayseed???

Did you read the post?

Okay, for sssslllloooowwww rrrreeeeaaaaddddeeeerrrrssss, in bullet form, the task at hand...

1. Cast or carve a globe;
2. Make the oceans to scale length, breadth, and depth;
3. Include only the largest lakes on each continent and make them to scale both breadth and depth;
4. Include only the longest rivers on each continent and make them to scale length, breadth, and depth;
5. While everything is dry (no H2O added yet)drill a hole through the globe, accurately reflecting supposed axial tilt;
6. Mount the globe on a dowel or whatever allows the globe to spin at scale speed;
7. Applying any known force available to man, add chemically correct water to the surface of the globe. The only thing that can be outside of the globe is an atmosphere identical to the composition of the one found on earth.

I want to see that picture...I want to touch it...

If you can't present that, then I think you should refrain from replying further...

Of course, you knew what I was asking for all along and decided to be a smart ass anyway...

And of course I know what I am asking for cannot be provided and therefore negates ALL SCIENCE relative to RE as all conditions of RE cannot be replicated and are therefore FALSE!

Nothing experimental on your side...just a bunch of BULLSHIT!!!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: water always finds level?
« on: May 18, 2016, 04:51:39 PM »
Secondly, water.   It seems fact that water always find level.  But my friend proposed the question,"level to what?". The  presumed curvature of the earth relative to its presumed radius? My presumtion is that level is a straight line. Exactly straight.  And that's where I went looking for a way to prove whether water finds straight level, or whether it follows the curvature of the earth. Pretty hard to prove on my kitchen table.   I'm looking for an experiment. Any suggestions?
I will only try to answer a small part.

Firstly, because gravitation is such a tiny force it is extremely difficult to give any convincing benchtop demonstration. You are always competing with the enormously larger earth. Because of this limitation all the "experiment" demonstrates is that the surface of water need not be straight. It does not attempt to simulate how water can stick to a globe. With that proviso:

Yes, water always finds its own level.

But there is simply no physical law that says that level is a straight line. It is easy to make water deviate from a straight line.
One way is to put it into tank and spin the tank smoothly, as in this video " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Centrifugal Force on Rotating Water Container.

Of course you will say that the water in that tank is not only subject to the downward acceleration of gravity (or whatever you choose to call it), but to an additional "centrifugal acceleration" due the roation. EXACTLY! The nett acceleration is not in a single direction anymore and the surface aligns itself at right angles to this nett acceleration at each location, as illustrated below:


Rotating Water Curving

Now, please understand that the only reason I am showing this it to demonstrate that the surface of water need not be "straight". It simply depends on the local acceleration, here gravity (down) and centrifugal acceleration (outwards). So, at the outside edge the surface of the water is at about 45° to the horizontal.
I am not suggesting that the rotation of the earth holds the oceans in place, it most certainly does not.

On the globe the nett acceleration is just the local acceleration due to gravity and is directed (almost[1]) towards the centre of the earth as in this rather rough illustration:


Water Curves on Globe

In this case the surface of the water is always at right angles to the direction we call "down", in other words it is "level" or "horizontal", so the water still "finds its own level" alright, but that level is not a perfectly straight line. Though on a local scale it is so close to a straight like as to not matter.

Over a distance of one mile the surface of perfectly still water would deviate only a total of 2 inches from level (±1" if you like) as in:


Water nearly Flat on Globe

So, water finds its own level, but over a large distance that level is determined by the local gravity.

[1] Almost towards the centre because the centripetal acceleration caused by the rotation of the earth causes a slight deviation.


Water Curves on Globe

I want you to post a REAL LIVE DEPICTION of replicating this pictured phenomena...an actual man-made demonstration of this in existence...With that depiction, an actual honest explanation of how it was done...

A clear container...holding curved water...man made...replicate it...come on...

When you do, I will have no further need of posting here...

To me, that picture you posted is as ridiculous as bendy light...Which can be bent by the way...in numerous ways...

Thanks.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: mythbusters faking a curved horizon
« on: May 18, 2016, 04:35:43 PM »
This has been covered many times. The curvature is a product of a normal lens.

A genuine disingenuous post if I ever saw one...

You are going to state, cross your heart, and hope to die, stick a needle in your eye, you believe the curvature of the earth is accurately depicted in these photographs? I just want to know right now so I can ignore any other information you might put forth later as totally full of shit...

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