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[...] is the flat earth theory really debunked now???

Yes, the idea that the earth is flat is debunked now. It's been known that the earth is round for over two thousand years. Nowadays there is plenty of photographic evidence.

Edit: Spelling.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Newtons third law
« on: July 05, 2016, 11:09:40 PM »
Here's the 'launch sequence' from the low-budget sci-fi film 'Europa Report'; it's just as convincing as your 'Delta Heavy' bullshit but didn't cost the taxpayer $billions:



That uses real footage from Atlas V launches. At least some of it appears to be from the launch of the Juno probe:



Quite topical as the Juno probe has just entered into orbit around Jupiter and is big in the news right now.

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Flat Earth General / Re: New to this forum,
« on: July 05, 2016, 03:24:20 AM »
That supposed real Earth from the distant satellite shows a central spotlight effect. Why?
Has the supposed 93 million mile sun suddenly decided to concentrate all of it's light onto a small area?  ::)
I don't know exactly what picture you refer to, but.
You might have heard that water (the Pacific Ocean) does reflect light, there'll be a bit of specular reflection even with waves!
And the earth is a globe not a flat surface, so the central region will be brighter even from that.
The entire  Earth should be bathed from a 850,000 mile diameter so called sun, not just a frigging spotlight reflection.
The whole thing is a silly mock up and there's no hiding from that fact.

The entire earth is lit up as can can be seen. However the actual reflection of the sun is smaller than the earth because of the sun's distance.

Try experimenting with a wide angle torch and a fairly reflective ball. You should be able to see a similar effect.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What actual evidence for FE is there?
« on: July 02, 2016, 02:35:03 PM »
Look out your window.

The view out of my window is entirely consistent with the earth being a very large sphere. Why should I dismiss that possibility?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Basic Physics and Chemistry: wrong or a lie?
« on: July 01, 2016, 12:15:12 AM »
Under Special Relativity if you accelerate forever you will approach but not reach or exceed the speed of light.

Here's a discussion of the topic.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Way too many assumptions with Flat Earth
« on: June 30, 2016, 10:27:21 AM »
Not all bonds are created equally....some have more energy than others, hence why some reactions release energy in the end, like the combustion of hydrogen and oxygen to form water...and release energy in the form of heat and light.
Covalent bonds are the same thing. Electrons don't change properties.

So let's just ignore bond energy I suppose? Pretend that any and all bonds contain the same amount of energy, while ignoring all chemistry that indicates otherwise?

Please tell me where the extra energy in identical forms of bonds would come from.

Here is some information on how and why bond energies differ.

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This one's quite good as it is actually at the south pole and shows the sun going round at the same height.

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Flat Earth General / Re: day light hours Antarctica
« on: June 28, 2016, 06:17:03 AM »
Casey Station

The Wikipedia page shows mean monthly sunshine hours, which is not the same as daylight hours. I'm not sure why this would be higher in November than December. Probably some local meteorological effect.

Since Casey Station lies just outside the Antarctic Circle it will never get a 24 hour sun but there will in effect be 24 hours of daylight around mid to late December as the sun will only go just below the horizon at this time.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: So they're all lying are they?
« on: June 21, 2016, 02:14:33 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36587252
He likely doesn't know he's been duped, or is simply mistaken.

Hilarious. I'm beginning to think you're a troll, John. You claim that someone has been fooled, or mistakenly believes, that they have spent 6 months orbiting the earth? Any, just any, evidence that this was the case?

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Its pretty inherent in flat earth conspiracy theory. For example, the logo of the UN is the standard flat earth map as well as the logo for several other international organizations like the WHO. The UN hall of assembly also suspiciously looks like a dome hung with stars, another common flat earth depiction. It was worked on by Le Corbusier, a known occultist (and a great architect / thinker). The ISS is an international space station, and there is a wealth of evidence that space travel is a hoax.

I have to say, this made me chuckle. So the evidence for an international conspiracy is the UN logo and a 'suspicious looking' ceiling? Really? (The WHO is part of the UN, BTW). I love the way that not only are they conspiring, they feel compelled to give us little clues so that we know they are conspiring!

There's no evidence that space travel is a hoax for the reason that the evidence that it has happened and is happening is overwhelming. Can you explain how the evidence required for a conspiracy to be believed can be as flimsy as speculation about a logo yet the documentary evidence, first hand witnessing and everyday practical application of space travel can be dismissed? Seriously. I'm genuinely curious to know how you can weigh up those two bodies of evidence and come down on the side you do.

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That's been answered a bunch of times. It very well could be an international conspiracy. A good deal of those organizations piggy back on the US space efforts too. I'd do a search.

So it's been answered a bunch of times with speculation of an international conspiracy. Not really an answer, is it? Evidence of said conspiracy?

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And if you think that, as ESA suggests, the drag is 4-5g during 200 seconds, you must show that a human can survive it.

I pointed out here and again here that the ESA suggest no such thing and as a consequence your calculation is incorrect. The drag averages less than 2g over a period of 8 minutes.

Why won't you acknowledge this or at least stop repeating your error?

Edit: grammar

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Selected footage of yesterday's landing here, courtesy of the ESA.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: real trip to the moon
« on: June 18, 2016, 07:31:58 AM »
The moon reflector fallacy is one of the biggest that RE'ers throw around in their desperation to prove that the moon landings were real.

What is it that makes you think it's a fallacy?

1.  We have supposedly been bouncing lasers off the moon since the early 50s, nearly a decade before NASA supposedly put a retroreflector on the moon.

So? This doesn't mean they didn't put retroflectors on the moon for better accuracy.

2.  You people make it out that anyone can perform this experiment.  The reality is that there are not very many entities who have a laser powerful enough or receivers sensitive enough to perform this experiment.

Which people make out that anyone can perform this experiment? Why would it be expected to be widely available?

The ones that do are funded by the government, so you have to trust that the government would never lie in order to fully trust in these experiments.

You don't have to trust that the government would never lie, you only have to trust that they are not lying about this.
 
3.  The waiting list to have them shoot a laser at the moon for you is years long and very expensive. 

I'm not surprised about this, but do you have a source?

4.  It is claimed that when they shine the laser at the moon, they get back just a few of the photons that they send.  You have to just take their word for it that these few photons are even the same ones they shot out of their laser.

Do you have any reason not to take their word for it?

5.  Even if you managed to get them to shine their laser at the moon for you, it takes weeks or months to get the data for the experiment back.  Why does it take so long to process this little bit of data from the few photons they receive back? 

I'm sure there are reasons why it takes so long. Perhaps your source explains why?

6.  Does this smell a little fishy to you yet?

Not at all. Does it to you?

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surviving 4-5g acceleration is not hard, especially because it is performed face-first.
Fighter pilots have to endure up to 10g acceleration downwards, which is way, way harder.

Hm! Face first? Better back first facing aft! But 4-5g during 3-4 minutes will send the content of your stomach ... into space.

Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't. But as I pointed out here, your calculation is incorrect and therefore irrelevant.

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Tim Peake, Tim Kopra and Yuri Malechenko are returning to earth from the ISS this morning.

Link.

According to the ESA link the speed is 28 800 km/h or 8 000 m/s, when re-entry starts at 120 000 m altitude (top of atmosphere) and the deceleration is pretty constant 4-5 g say about  40 m/sē. LOL!
Braking through atmosphere to about zero speed and parachute deployment  will thus take exactly 200 seconds and during that short time the length of the trajectory is 800 000 m. Imagine being subject to 4 g for 3 minutes and 20 seconds. Should'nt you be squeezed flat? The Soyuz capsule outside manages to be protected by a heat shield that gets 1600°C temperature during the deceleration. It is all fantasy of course and does not win my Challenge.

The link doesn't say the deceleration is constant and your calculation is wrong. Time from entry interface to parachutes open is expected to be about 8 minutes, giving an average deceleration of around 17m/s2. I'm guessing the 4-5g that the link refers to is peak.

Regardless, there is now live broadcast of the return here.

Edit: Fixed m/s2.

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Tim Peake, Tim Kopra and Yuri Malechenko are returning to earth from the ISS this morning.

Link.


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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA 'lies'
« on: June 11, 2016, 03:11:14 PM »
NASA never admits its lies, they just make the lie an industry standard. For example, if NASA says that they have a satellite in polar orbit, then everyone believes that they have a satellite in polar orbit. No need to prove this claim or anything, it just becomes "true."

Do you have any evidence that when NASA says they have a satellite in polar orbit, they don't?

Are you asking me to prove a negative? Come back when you've had a course in logic.

No, I'm not asking you to prove a negative. I'm asking you if you have any evidence that NASA has said they have a satellite in polar orbit when they don't. Implicitly, I'm also asking you to present such evidence. It seemed that implied in your original post was that this is one of the ways that NASA lies. If that wasn't your implication then fine, please clarify.

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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA 'lies'
« on: June 05, 2016, 02:50:29 AM »
You're asking for times when a well funded agency admitted to lying?
Or
When authorities admitted NASA lied?

I'm asking for examples of verified, substantiated lies, either from admission or from reputable third party evidence.

There are two press conferences you might want to look at, the apollo11 press conference where they seem like they just got buttfucked,rather than returning from the most amazing mission never.
And the mars Rover press conference where the Elvis haired lead engineer can't answer any of the crowds questions

I'm guessing you mean " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this and " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">this? What lies do you think these footages substantiate?

Edit: fixed links.

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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA 'lies'
« on: June 05, 2016, 12:07:32 AM »
Quite often on these boards it's asserted or implicated that NASA tells lies.

Does anyone have any specific, concrete examples of NASA lying? By this I mean examples either of NASA admitting to falsehood, or of there being generally and authoritatively accepted evidence that contradicts what NASA has said.

I'm not asking for conspiracy theory kind of stuff, or people's opinions. Just proper evidence. Ideally there would be citations, both for what NASA has claimed and also for the contradiction.

So, no takers then. Is it to be assumed that NASA don't tell lies after all?

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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA 'lies'
« on: June 01, 2016, 09:06:14 AM »
NASA never admits its lies, they just make the lie an industry standard. For example, if NASA says that they have a satellite in polar orbit, then everyone believes that they have a satellite in polar orbit. No need to prove this claim or anything, it just becomes "true."

Do you have any evidence that when NASA says they have a satellite in polar orbit, they don't?

If NASA lies, they risk being found out. My question at the start of this thread is basically asking for cases of NASA being verifiably found out. So far, nothing.

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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA 'lies'
« on: May 31, 2016, 02:39:39 PM »
Quite often on these boards it's asserted or implicated that NASA tells lies.

Does anyone have any specific, concrete examples of NASA lying? By this I mean examples either of NASA admitting to falsehood, or of there being generally and authoritatively accepted evidence that contradicts what NASA has said.

I'm not asking for conspiracy theory kind of stuff, or people's opinions. Just proper evidence. Ideally there would be citations, both for what NASA has claimed and also for the contradiction.

You must be joking.

I'm not joking at all. Internet searches for 'NASA lies' just come up with conspiracy theories. Are there any actual, documented lies?

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Flat Earth General / NASA 'lies'
« on: May 31, 2016, 01:30:59 PM »
Quite often on these boards it's asserted or implicated that NASA tells lies.

Does anyone have any specific, concrete examples of NASA lying? By this I mean examples either of NASA admitting to falsehood, or of there being generally and authoritatively accepted evidence that contradicts what NASA has said.

I'm not asking for conspiracy theory kind of stuff, or people's opinions. Just proper evidence. Ideally there would be citations, both for what NASA has claimed and also for the contradiction.

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I assume it is a spelling error by SpaceX and that they mean aluminium which is frequently used in shipbuilding for stability and weight reasons.

Aluminium is spelled aluminum in American English. So not a spelling error.

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You're being contradictory
If people can take pictures of geosynchronous satellites with a camera and zoom lens then why no satellite pictures.

People can't take detailed pictures of geosynchronous satellites. They are too small and too far away. Points of light are all you're going to get.

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You guys are so brainwashed. It is so funny think you guys fall for these fake videos, hook line and sinker.

What is it that makes you think this video is fake?

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It's just reversed footage of a rocket taking off.

What is it about the video that leads you to think that?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Eratosthenes Lecture Poster
« on: May 10, 2016, 01:55:54 PM »
I'm willing to budge on this point and say its a valid argument that I'm assuming the Earth is flat.

Well, that has the potential to be a pretty big mistake which can lead to all sorts of incorrect conclusions if it turns out to be an incorrect assumption.

I would suggest you abandon that assumption and consider what may be the earth's shape with an open mind.

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The second Challenge 2 (topic) is about human space travel. NASA & Co say it is possible and easy and has been done but when checking their info - trajectories, fuel consumed, hard- and software used 1969, etc, etc, it is quite easy to find and conclude they are also faked. All false. So I am also qualified to judge it.


Nothing in this paragraph or anything else you have written leads to the conclusion that you are qualified to judge. That you have already made up your mind and refuse to listen to counter arguments explicitly disqualifies you.

I repeat, why not appoint an independent, qualified, arbiter?

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IMO opinion my Challenge is impossible! Why? Human space travel is not possible.

Do you not see why this disqualifies you to be the judge of your Challenge? If you are confident your Challenge cannot be met, why not appoint an independent arbiter?

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