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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Lawful rebellion
« on: March 15, 2011, 03:16:43 PM »
kidnapping requires you move your captive to another location without consent doesn't it?

Recently near where I live there was a false imprisonment suit against a man who prevented another person from driving away from a crime scene by blocking his car in a parking space.  This is more or less how it went down from what I remember.

Apparently the assailant got into a fight with somebody at a parking lot of a 7-11 and beat the shit out of someone.  Then he attempted to flea, but a witness pulled their car behind the assailants car preventing him from backing out of the space.  The police came, arrested the man for assault and battery, and a month later the guy who prevented his escape was sued for false imprisonment.

I just saw an episode of nightline or something that brings up this issue. As far as I understand in Alabama you can be convicted of kidnapping even if the person who you have kidnapped doesn't know it. For example, if you invite a person to drive to a shopping centre with the intention of not letting them escape, and someone foils your plans before you get a chance to use force or before the person is aware of the imminent force, you can be convicted of the act (not simply conspiracy) to kidnap. Now, of course this is just in Alabama as far as I know, but it seems like a legal principal that may relate to other US jurisdictions.

The Lounge / Re: Tsunami hits Japan
« on: March 15, 2011, 01:15:13 PM »
What I know about the Tsunami/Earthquake aftermath: Maru is safe

And as my dad just emailed me, this is what I need to know:

And what of Sakai – the ‘de la croix’ of French Cuisine

Marimoto – Master of Japanese Fusion

Michiba – the Vernerable Master

Chen Kinichi – the ‘Sage of Sechwan Cooking’

and all of the Honourable Judges??

Not to mention Sinichirio Otah and Chairman Kaga...

I pray to Gad that these people were spared His wrath......
I am concerned. Gad Bless Fugi TV

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Olympics tickets
« on: March 15, 2011, 11:39:43 AM »
I think the only Olympic event I would attend for a fee is an ice hockey match with team Canada. The summer Olympics have no draw to me.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Teh Dubstep
« on: March 15, 2011, 10:12:09 AM »
Has this been posted yet? Doesn't really matter, it's fuckin amaze: " class="bbc_link" target="_blank">

Sam Harris

"Scientifically accepts mysticism"



correction: Scientifically accepts the possibility of the truth of mystical claims. Now, that sounds less exciting, doesn't it?

Alright, here we go with another classic 'atheist v theist' debates. However, what sets this particular debate apart is the sophistication and honesty that unfolds between the two classically opposed camps. For anyone who is familiar with this arena may already expect this when they discover that God's council are sophisticated Rabbis.

In the heathen corner we have Christopher Hitchens

Venomous anti-theist
Dying of cancer
No longer can drink/smoke, must be pissed
Thinks religion fucking sucks

And Sam Harris

-Neuroscientific atheist and anti-theist
-Hates Islam and pretty much all the rest
-Ethnic Jew
-Scientifically accepts mysticism

On God's behalf, we have Rabbi David Wolpe

-Conservative/Conventional Jewish leader
-Theological and sophisticated
-Head of Sinai Temple in LA
-Wrote book on faith in the face of illness

And Rabbi Bradley Artson

-Conservative Jewish leader
-Fully accepts evolutionary (and all other) science
-Writes Jewish blog and books on Jewish philosophy
-Has an autistic son he likes to mention

What makes this video worth creating a topic for is the progression from total opposition to relative common ground. It would be wrong to say that any of the panel changed their mind about their position on the afterlife, but they came to realize how close their beliefs might be. Also, as I mentioned in the title, the end of the debate has an interesting discussion about the Jewish tradition of belief and success in the modern West in comparison to Christianity and Islam.

The discussion is over an hour long, but I'm sure that anyone who has read this far into my topic will be the kind of person to find the time. Reply with thoughts.


Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Sean wouldn't
« on: March 14, 2011, 08:57:43 PM »

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Lawful rebellion
« on: March 14, 2011, 04:10:42 PM »
Those 'rebels' must be crushed. Courts are sacred places that can only be attacked under the greatest rebellions. What makes a rebellion just? Very good question that I can't necessarily define. However, in this case I side with the government and (if I were British) would demand for the strictest penalties for these 'rebels'.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Lawful rebellion
« on: March 14, 2011, 02:15:33 PM »
wtf is all this about. Couldn't follow any of those vids. Care to explain?

Looks like there is an update:

Here's a good picture of the update from a perspective of 'editorial v. journalism'

The Lounge / Re: fluckin eh!
« on: March 10, 2011, 12:43:02 PM »
As far as Political Theory goes, it's exactly where I want to study.

The Lounge / fluckin eh!
« on: March 10, 2011, 12:07:59 PM »
Dear [Benocrates]:

I am pleased to inform you that we are recommending to the Dean of the Faculty of Graduate and Postdoctoral Affairs (FGPA) that you be admitted to the Master’s program in Political Science, beginning with the Fall term, 2011.  Congratulations!  You will be receiving a formal offer via email from FGPA shortly.

The list of reasons for choosing to study political science at Carleton University include the advantages of studying politics in Canada’s capital with a faculty that has a national and international reputation for innovation and excellence.  There are a number of initiatives in the department that you may find interesting; you can read about them on our web page at

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So has Grand Theft Auto, right?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Extremism
« on: March 10, 2011, 11:11:50 AM »
One of my future projects is to find out exactly what happened in that era. All I really know of it is the almost mythical status of it in our culture. I figured we all basically understood why it was a bad thing, and would never let it happen again. Then again, I thought the whole holocaust thingy would show us that persecuting a particular religious group is a very bad road to walk down.

"as such," meaning in-and-of-itself. It only exists through interpretation.

Putting quotations around the phrase doesn't make it any more clear. You mean that the Qur'an doesn't have violence in it or.. ???

I'm not going to teach you how to read.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Anonymous and The Westboro Church
« on: March 10, 2011, 11:00:14 AM »
I don't think anybody said there wasn't. All anon are /b/, not all /b/ are anon. All /b/ are 4chan, not all 4chan are /b/. Seems clear to me.

"as such," meaning in-and-of-itself. It only exists through interpretation.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Extremism
« on: March 10, 2011, 10:54:06 AM »
Some people never learn from their mistakes

He's saying that there is no Koran as such, but rather interpretations of it. It's like any work of literature.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Khaddafi is Right
« on: March 10, 2011, 10:49:41 AM »
17 november i think you are right about khaddafi, just like Kim Jong Il is a great leader who cares for his people. -.-

This guy is totally right. I mean, we all know that American imperial propaganda has cast unfair aspersions on the DPRK and have blanketed them with untrue rumour. Kim Il-Sung isn't even really dead! I mean, think about it. Why would they still claim to be lead by him if he's dead?! This is obviously a US government lie to make the DPRK seem unreasonable and evil. Think about the name! Democratic People's Republic of Korea. It's right in the NAME: Democratic!!! Anyone who claims to have lost relatives to DPRK kidnappings are obviously either CIA spies, or their relatives were poisoned by the CIA.

something interesting that the DOD mentioned was that a 'no fly zone' isn't just sending jets to fly around the country. The first step is to launch a brutal missile assault on anti-air defences and air fields. Basically, you have to destroy all of their big guns and planes, then you can fly around. I would be far more invasive than it sounds.

ITT: Fortuna is the new Warddog

but more of a prick. I've grown to like wardoggs trolling, or at least am entertained by it. Fortuna is just abrasive and weak-sauce at trollcoptering.

welp, then your entire argument has failed and you, as usual, appear to be a boring ol' troll. I bid you goodnight, and god bless. :)

the implication was that it was more of a catalyst for violence than Christianity.

What are you talking about? The book doesn't do shit. The Bible says the exact same stuff, and we don't do it because we realize it's just a book. It's when you introduce fundamentalists into the picture that people start to take the book seriously.

Isn't that basically what I just said?

nope, not at all. You said the Koran is a violent catalyst.

You're right, because the only reason we don't put people to death for disobeying their parents like it says to in the bible is because it wouldn't be acceptable in our society. However, the danger is still there and the Qur'an serves as a catalyst for the actions of some terrorists.

how can it be so big? I thought it was all pretty much the same.

Turkey has a population of 97%-99% Muslims, and it looks very different from Iran.

but I thought they were stoning little girls in 'the Muslim world'. So it must be a well defined region, right?

I think you just did that when you attempted to disassociate "the Muslim world" from Mecca. 

You're the one who associated them.  Mecca is a holy site in Islam.  That doesn't automatically mean that Saudi Arabia defines "the Muslim world".  Jerusalem is a holy site in Christianity, does that make Israel "the Christian world"?

If you're going to be so pedantic, where would you say the Muslim world is?

nobody else mentioned 'the Muslim world' but you. I wanted to know where it was, because I've never seen it on a map.

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