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Flat Earth Debate / MOVED: Some simple questions
« on: February 01, 2016, 06:35:20 PM »

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The Lounge / Re: A Belated Introduction (Of Sorts)
« on: January 27, 2016, 05:59:53 PM »
Hello, Xenos2112. Welcome to the Flat Earth Society forums! I enjoy playing FPS games too.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Blank home page.
« on: January 21, 2016, 06:03:28 PM »
The homepage is now back online.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« on: January 19, 2016, 09:36:13 AM »
Nothing is actually happening to the things (people, mountains, the ground, etc.) on Earth as they go faster and faster (accelerate)?
As I said, they go faster and faster relative to an external inertial observer. Any relativistic phenomenon that arises from the ever-increasing velocity of the Earth (as it approaches c) can only be seen and measured by said observer.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« on: January 18, 2016, 05:57:07 AM »
So is the ground of the disk (between the top surface and bottom surface) actually compressing or from an external reference point, only APPEAR to be compressing.
Yes, the Earth is length-contracted according to an external inertial observer. A person on Earth will not see this, just as she will not see the Earth approaching c; she will, however, see that she experiences slightly less proper acceleration near the top than the bottom according to her accelerometer. We can't possibly determine whether or not the Earth is under-going length contraction independent of observers, since there's no such thing as an absolute frame.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« on: January 16, 2016, 10:39:02 PM »
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In our case, the top of the Earth moves slightly slower than its bottom.
What? That makes no sense.
The reasons for this are that (1) a body rigid in itself is physically impossible, as explained in the article, and that (2) Relativity predicts the Earth will eventually pull itself apart under stress if the two ends of it were to experience the same rate of acceleration (to maintain a constant length between them) while undergoing length contraction with respect to an external inertial observer (or in the frame where it is observed to be moving). Born rigidity addresses this by saying the rear end must experience a higher rate of acceleration than the front. This is so that the Earth’s length, with respect to the inertial observer, contracts as expected (that is, the Earth does not appear "stretched" to the inertial observer by maintaining its initial length forcibly) while the proper length—the length of the Earth measured at rest—between the two ends remains the same in a co-moving frame (that is, the Earth appears to maintain its "rigidity" or structural integrity to an observer co-moving with it, as it would appear stationary).

Objects under more acceleration,thus having more velocity, will experience more time dilation, not less as you claim.
Oops, I made an error there; thanks for pointing it out. Yes, the rear end is supposed to experience higher time dilation due to the higher proper acceleration it experiences. I don't know why I wrote it that way.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« on: January 15, 2016, 03:42:45 AM »
Ah, which explains why the earth tore itself to pieces billions of years ago  ::)
I just stated the reason why that won't be the case.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Universal Accelerator - how it works?
« on: January 13, 2016, 11:08:49 PM »
Which part of Special Relativity explains why the acceleration is weaker at the top of the Everest? Can you provide scientific material to back up that stupid claim?
Relativity says the entire Earth cannot experience the same rate of acceleration because rigid bodies violate the rule that information cannot be transmitted instantaneously or at FTL speeds (see: rigid bodies in relativity). For instance, when a rod is pushed, its rear end will experience a higher rate of acceleration (and thus lesser higher time dilation) than its front. One consequence of this is length contraction. In our case, the top of the Earth moves slightly slower than its bottom.


EDIT: The rear end should experience higher time dilation.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Is the universe infinite?
« on: January 05, 2016, 06:48:11 PM »
MY QUESTION: If the Earth is forever accelerating upwards, then where does it stop? Is the universe infinite?
Welcome to the Flat Earth Society, Searcher! Nobody knows whether the universe is infinite or not, unfortunately. Not all models claim that the Earth is constantly accelerating upwards. The Earth could be a stationary infinite plane with gravitation.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How you know ALL of the NASA photos are fake?
« on: January 03, 2016, 07:10:38 AM »
So now we know to regard as fakes all these Flat Earth photos that are presented to prove "there is no curvature, so the earth must be flat".  Thanks for that advice.
I don't recall a single instance where we claim that photos are all we need to determine the Earth's shape or "prove" Flat Earth Theory. The FAQ explains very clearly our stance on photographs.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Blank home page.
« on: January 03, 2016, 01:34:20 AM »
Sorry, I currently don't have administrative control over the homepage. I've already contacted Daniel about this, though.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How you know ALL of the NASA photos are fake?
« on: January 03, 2016, 01:17:55 AM »
(1) photo manipulation is so easily achieved.         
It could, but for what reason?
How would I know? I'm merely saying that that photo manipulation cannot be ruled out as a possibility calls into question the validity of the photos.

(2) content could've been distorted by certain natural phenomena and/or technological limitations in cameras.
Would we not see the same distortions on any photography, even in ya mums favorite baby picture of you? Would anyone ever buy photos if every one has some distortion due to  natural phenomena and/or technological limitations?
Would that just mean that all cameras are clearly useless, all photos poor?
Again, since the the content of the photos could've been distorted in a way that doesn't truly reflect reality, they should not be used to determine the shape of the Earth. Your questions are entirely irrelevant.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How you know ALL of the NASA photos are fake?
« on: January 02, 2016, 09:53:06 PM »
It's not that we claim with utmost certainty all of the photos are fake, but that we argue they ought not to be used as evidence because (1) photo manipulation is so easily achieved and (2) their content could've been distorted by certain natural phenomena and/or technological limitations in cameras.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: My phone is IP banned
« on: December 31, 2015, 08:39:27 PM »
namekim25 wasn't IP-banned, so I'm not sure why you're still denied access to the forums. I'm going to delete your alt instead; let me know if the problem persists.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why are the churches globe Earth?
« on: December 30, 2015, 02:45:13 AM »
Ok my last topic seemed to have been blown apart and vanished. Maybe I should have reworded it.
Your previous thread was moved to Flat Earth General because it asked a question unrelated to Flat Earth Theory. Flat Earth Debate is reserved strictly for serious discussion on the mechanics of Flat Earth Theory outlined in the FAQ. Please familiarize yourself with the guidelines of each board before posting a new thread. The two threads will now be merged.

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He just needs to refrain from flooding the upper forums with it, as doing so constitutes spamming. We're not packing up our belongings simply because he thinks he has "disproved" our model. He's not the first--and he certainly won't be the last--to proclaim our model has been made invalid.

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The Lounge / Re: Hello Everyone!
« on: December 28, 2015, 11:29:12 PM »
That's a very nice cat you've got there!

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Banning
« on: December 28, 2015, 07:20:51 PM »
I sure as fuck haven't ceased.
I suppose this place just isn't your cup of tea. Enjoy your time off then.

As this matter has been resolved, I'm closing this thread.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why does it even matter?
« on: December 28, 2015, 02:08:29 AM »
Some of us do flat earth research because we feel being skeptical of certain aspects of reality as part of personal enlightenment is the right thing to do, not because we believe there will be a life-changing reward available to us at the end of the line. It's a matter of principle.

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