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The Lounge / Re: Who is İntikam on FE forum?
« on: April 25, 2016, 08:43:02 AM »
I didn't know İntikam was actually a Nazi sympathizer.

This forum used to ban people for the slightest bit of racism, but I guess it's ok now.
No, it's not okay at all. He has received a temporary ban for posting anti-Semitic comments.

And glad to have you back, SCG.

Flat Earth General / MOVED: Planets
« on: April 24, 2016, 01:29:24 AM »

The Lounge / Re: Hello, I'm new here
« on: April 12, 2016, 04:23:36 AM »
Welcome, Neshomancer!

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: "theflatearthsociety" word filter
« on: April 11, 2016, 11:57:36 AM »
Like I said, I've been one of the more proactive proponents of reunification (as far as I'm aware), because I care about the Society as a whole, which includes this site. Users coming here and having a negative experience on this site affects the Society as a whole.
The coexistence of multiple Flat Earth societies is not necessarily a bad thing for the movement. Some users are bound to remain unsatisfied with us or the discussions here regardless of what we do.

The Lounge / Re: Recently been awakened
« on: April 11, 2016, 06:46:39 AM »
Welcome to the Flat Earth Society, Mrjay!

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: "theflatearthsociety" word filter
« on: April 08, 2016, 01:31:20 AM »
We've largely left the sister site alone, and minded our own business. That we're being viewed as the aggressor simply for doing something that has absolutely no bearing on anywhere else but here, perplexes me greatly. Do we owe that site anything?

PP's sig has now been adjusted in accordance with the rule regarding advertising.

Over the years jroa has worked hard behind the scenes to keep this place free from spammers and bots. He's fine.

The Lounge / Re: New member xd
« on: March 04, 2016, 09:43:49 AM »
Welcome, FlatchestFlatmind!

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intikam is here now
« on: March 03, 2016, 12:55:10 AM »
Welcome to the Flat Earth Society forums, intikam! Thank you for sharing with us your views on FET. Since the topic of this thread focuses on FET and The Lounge is more suitable for casual conversations, I'm going to move this thread to Flat Earth Debate.

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Relativity Disproven
« on: February 24, 2016, 03:16:24 AM »
Facts about special relativity:

1. All inertial reference frames are equally valid
2. At high speeds, length contracts

Let's imagine cookie dough. A flat, rectangular sheet, with a circular cutter above it that comes down, and cuts a circle, as the dough slides underneath it.
Now let's engage in a thought experiment. Bring the dough to high speed, and we may observe the process of cutting a circle out of it.

From the reference frame of the cutter, the length of the dough has contracted. When it descends, it cuts out what is like a circle: but once the dough is stationary again, it will in fact have cut out an ellipse stretched parallel to the edges of the conveyor: stretched in the direction of the dough's movement. If you understand length contraction, this is clear.
From the reference frame of the dough, then the cutter has in fact contracted as the outside world would appear to be moving at a high speed. As such, when the cutter descends, it's an ellipse rather than a circle: and an ellipse squashed in the direction of the dough's movement. When the dough slows, the shape cut into it will remain: an ellipse squashed in the direction of the dough's movement.

But both reference frames are meant to be equally valid under special relativity, despite the fact length contraction gives completely different results.

If you can't see the response to this, then my message to you is simple: shut up about things you do not understand. REers so often claim from sheer arrogance that their opinions and preconceptions are right, but they often know next to nothing on relevant topics.
The solution to the pole-garage paradox in SR also applies to this problem of yours: any two (or more) events that appear simultaneous in one frame may not be so in another. This means that when viewed from the reference frame of the dough, all parts of the Lorentz-contracted cutter will appear to be coming down sequentially rather than simultaneously, so the result will still be the same.

The Lounge / Re: Hello There! Newbie inbound.
« on: February 18, 2016, 02:32:34 AM »
Welcome to the Flat Earth Society forums!

Flat Earth Q&A / MOVED: Conspiracy question?
« on: February 17, 2016, 09:12:21 AM »

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat Earth VS General Relativity
« on: February 17, 2016, 06:29:03 AM »
As I said, this is completely incorrect.  The fictional force experienced while in an accelerating car is not caused by a mathematical construct, it is caused by an actual physical phenomena.  Similarly, gravity is caused by the bending of space-time by mass-energy-momentum.  This bending is not a mathematical construct, it is an actual physical phenomenon.
I never said fictitious forces are caused by a mathematical construct. I said they are mathematical constructs. They're invented to ensure that one can still use Newton's laws of motion when she wishes to work in a non-inertial frame of reference with respect to an inertial one.

The dictionary definition of fictitious forces that you've given explains why they're considered fictitious. A non-inertial observer who assumes herself to be at rest with respect to an object will notice it to be accelerating with no force acting upon it (as the observer is accelerating with respect to it), but to accelerate without being subjected to a force would be a clear deviation from Newton's laws of motion. To resolve this so that the laws hold in this non-inertial reference frame, we must postulate a force that acts on the object. This means the force is not real, but imagined strictly for mathematical convenience.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat Earth VS General Relativity
« on: February 16, 2016, 08:14:02 AM »
fictional forces are real
They aren't.. As I said, the phenomena commonly attributed to "fictitious forces" are really just effects of inertia.  They're treated as "forces" in order to bring into play Newton's laws of motion when dealing with non-inertial frames: counteracting influences experienced by an observer assuming to be at rest in a non-inertial frame must be attributed to imaginary forces, lest the laws no longer apply. Put simply, as such they're nothing more than mathematical constructs used to solve in a simpler way certain problems in classical mechanics.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat Earth VS General Relativity
« on: February 12, 2016, 11:41:05 AM »
The astute among us will notice that the definition I gave concedes that the force exists, and in fact would be the force responsible for accelerating the FOR.
Fictitious forces really don't exist, though. They're also called inertial forces, introduced simply so that Newton's laws can be applied in a non-inertial frame. Objects always try to travel in straight lines or maintain inertia, resulting in them experiencing a counteracting "force" if they were to be in a non-inertial frame. In other words, this counteracting force arises merely from their attempt to maintain inertia in such a frame. A ball in a rotating frame is being drawn to the side not because the centrifugal force is really at work, but because it wants to travel in a straight line against the rotation. A person on the ground (a non-inertial frame) is being held onto it not because the force of gravity is at work, but because it wants to travel in a straight line against the mechanical resistance of the Earth.

Flat Earth General / MOVED: inverted moon
« on: February 09, 2016, 08:12:18 PM »

Flat Earth General / Re: Someone explain this to me
« on: February 09, 2016, 03:18:17 AM »

This place is not a joke. We're here to promote the Flat Earth Movement and advance, by way of Zeteticism, our understanding of the world. The forum is just one part of the Flat Earth Society.

Flat Earth Q&A / Re: upward acceleration and the universal speed limit?
« on: February 08, 2016, 11:47:26 PM »
I think it's perhaps a bit unfair to call him a lunatic when he's simply trying to teach you the basics of Relativity.

Way to highly edit out sentences from my post. Coward.
No staff member has modified your post according to the moderation log.

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