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Philosophy, Religion & Society / China Currency Bill
« on: October 10, 2011, 02:31:26 AM »

China says that a trade war may well be on its way if America allows the Currency Exchange Rate Oversight Reform Act of 2011 to take place. Simply put, the act will authorize the government to impose tariffs on goods imported from countries alleged of manipulating their currency to gain an unfair trade advantage. What are your thoughts on this issue?

The Lounge / Re: Official Happy Birthday Thread
« on: October 03, 2011, 01:46:26 AM »
It's quite late, but happy birthday, Colonel. Where have you been hiding lately?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Davis Plane: Possible explanation of UA
« on: September 26, 2011, 03:26:22 PM »
What would happen if an infinite plane was below our disk?

Specifically, looking at work by scientists like Forward, lets suppose this infinite plane is made of exotic matter, namely that with negative mass.  Of course this is also assuming a level of gravitational shielding or bow shock effect around the surface of terra.  Looking at NASA's work concerning the diameteric drive with Forward (in BPPP) or simply by plugging in the appropriate math into Gauss's law we finally have a reasonable source for the acceleration of the Earth in the Cambridge model.
In the past, I thought about replacing Dark Energy with a negative mass as the source that drives the Earth's acceleration, as the negative mass can do so without requiring a tremendous amount of energy; however, I stumbled upon the problem with the acceleration of spherical celestial bodies and the Submoon. What would happen to the Submoon underneath the Earth? Should there be a negative mass as well near each celestial body to achieve parallel acceleration, if DE is not available? If not, how do the celestial bodies achieve such acceleration? Or should we accept Photoelectric Suspension Theory and treat the celestial bodies as metallic discs?

If the other plane is moving the Earth, what is moving the plane?
If I remember correctly, since a negative mass is attracted to a positive mass and said positive mass is repelled from said negative mass, the two masses can accelerate forever without requiring any additional sources of propulsion (if both masses are equally massive).

EDIT: made changes to one of the sentences.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: A concern regarding a trio of bams.
« on: September 14, 2011, 12:49:14 AM »
Ah, I see. I apologize for the ban. I was neither informed nor aware of the fact that rooster and A&A were living together, and since they both used the same IP and host, I suspected rooster was the alternative account of A&A. I had them both banned as a result, and unfortunately got your IP banned in the process.

I'm going to lift the ban for rooster and A&A. Again, I'm sorry for the inconvenience I've caused on all three of you.

EDIT: The stated reason was a bit misleading; it's my fault, not the tracker's.

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Gang Stalking
« on: September 07, 2011, 10:13:36 PM »
I believe the site is trying to promote public awareness of it.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Mods please read, no demands just words.
« on: August 28, 2011, 11:03:58 PM »
Previously I used the software's default warning text when making warning templates, and I agree that it does sound a bit provocative. Also, I noticed that there is an additional "The" in the signature. Unfortunately, the shortcut {REGARDS} contains the word "The" already, so the software ends up writing the signature as "The The Flat Earth Society Team." Either way, I'll change the layout. Sorry about it.

Regarding the issue with anonymous warning messages, I have no problem with administrators and moderators signing their names on any future warning messages they send. I'll discuss this in the mod forum and see what the rest of the administration think.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Is it April Fool's day already?
« on: August 28, 2011, 05:27:55 PM »
Speaking of upping the game, now that I have your attention, I can't help but think your time would be better served administrating. How about the moderators moderate and the administrators administrate? The wiki has been down for months, the quick reply box is still broken, the FAQ despite lots of "yes we'll fix this" has gone no where and the site theme has all but driven Tom Bishop away. The only message from the administration right now (apart from silly warnings) is that you do not care about the site and are happy to see it fall into disrepair.
I have to say that it is not in the interest of Daniel and the administration to have the site fall into disrepair.  We really do care about the site, and for that we try to stay as active as possible and address whatever issue that may arise.

Now, I do not have the power to fix the Wiki; only Daniel can fix it. In addition, I simply cannot override Daniel's decision on the default theme. Regarding the FAQ issue, there are still many topics that need to be addressed before we can update the FAQ. In response to the problem with the quick reply box, however, I modified a few codes in the index for the theme Anecdota (default theme). Such modification is based on a solution found in the SMF community forum. The box should look fine now.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Is it April Fool's day already?
« on: August 28, 2011, 01:29:05 AM »

I want to say that the warning was not only for that particular post. I realized that things were starting to get ugly between you and trig, so I decided to warn you both. Furthermore, the thread was going off-track as a result of the argument. If you have any personal issues with trig, you should address them with him elsewhere (the same goes for trig). The upper forums are reserved for civil discussions.

As you said, I could have warned you (and trig) via PM, which is what I have always done to other offenders in the past; however, now that we have SMF 2.0, I thought it is wiser to do so via the new warning system for better accountability within the mod community, as such system keeps track of which member got warned at what time by which moderator or administrator. It also requires the moderator or administrator to state a reason for any warning in the log.

I understand that debating can be a frustrating experience sometimes, but I believe it's vital that we keep discussions civil in order to maintain, in the interest of the Flat Earth Society, stability as well as an agreeable environment in these forums.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: I think the site has been hacked again
« on: August 27, 2011, 01:19:13 AM »
According to the logs, he was warned several hours before he created this thread, and this is the first time he was ever warned by a staff member via the warning system. These are the reasons why I assumed that the PM he received was likely to be an anonymous warning message delivered by the site's account, which is different from the classical warning message in a way (e.g., its author is not the moderator). Nonetheless, as PP said, it's possible that the PM was from a deleted member instead.

If my assumption above is correct, the author of the PM in question is "The Flat Earth Society". I decided to warn a test account via the warning system, and this is what it received:

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: I think the site has been hacked again
« on: August 26, 2011, 06:47:41 PM »
You probably received a warning message. When a moderator or administrator warns you via the warning system, you will receive an anonymous PM that notifies you of the warning and tells what you were warned for.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Belief-O-Matic
« on: August 20, 2011, 02:59:18 PM »
1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (95%)
3. Nontheist (80%)
4. Liberal Quakers (73%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (70%)
6. Neo-Pagan (65%)
7. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (61%)
8. Reform Judaism (46%)
9. New Age (44%)
10. Orthodox Quaker (41%)
11. Taoism (40%)
12. Sikhism (37%)
13. Baha'i Faith (35%)
14. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (33%)
15. Mahayana Buddhism (30%)
16. Scientology (30%)
17. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (26%)
18. New Thought (26%)
19. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (24%)
20. Seventh Day Adventist (24%)
21. Islam (24%)
22. Jainism (24%)
23. Orthodox Judaism (24%)
24. Hinduism (19%)
25. Eastern Orthodox (18%)
26. Roman Catholic (18%)
27. Jehovah's Witness (11%)

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Low content warning
« on: August 04, 2011, 01:08:35 AM »
According to the warning log, he actually received a warning for off-topic posting in regards to the post he linked in the OP. He did receive a warning for low-content posting before, but such warning was for another post.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Additions to the FAQ
« on: August 02, 2011, 04:05:52 AM »
Excellent thank you Jack. Some things do not come up as often as you think, so I am wondering how you will answer some questions. Example, retrograde motion. How would you answer that?
Personally I would go to the work of Ptolemy and produce something of his like this and merge it with celestial gears and the Flammarion woodcut.


A search on this site for 'Ptolemy retrograde' however, only yielded 10 posts suggesting that is not the way other FErs go about answering this. It also suggests I have never been asked before.
I appreciate your contribution to FET. I'll see what other FE advocates think regarding the concept of retrograde motion in the FE model.

Age of earth? 4.5 Billion years? Why does FE need any difference? I think most FErs go with the KISS theory when possible. Same for plate tectonics. Does a flat earth mean continents don't move? Why? I fear this one takes us towards colonial dinosaurs, which nice as they are, isn't a wonderful way to start.
Since newcomers often ask about the age of the earth, I thought we might as well include a question about it in the FAQ. Plate tectonics is another topic that is commonly asked and discussed, so it should also be included in the FAQ. It is generally agreed within the academic community that the plates of the Earth's crust do move, and thus I thought we could come up with an explanation on that.

I don't have a clue why neutrinos prove earth round or flat. I can't even imagine the question. I would like to see what you say about that, but fear it is not a FAQ. Also I know particle physics isn't my forte. I think that one may be inviting a world of pain as follow up questions are not going to be easy for FErs to answer on that.
If my memory serves me right, newcomers used to come here and ask us how the FE model will explain the existence of solar neutrinos if the sun above is only a spotlight or metallic disk and cannot conduct nuclear fusion. However, I'll put this topic aside for now, mainly because I realize that it is not fully dissected yet by the FE community and is not as frequently asked as the other topics discussed in this thread.

The FAQ should have responses that are very brief and are stated in generalities, not with specifics.  It should be a site resource to spawn and promote additional constructive thinking, not of stating complete solutions.   

More involved solutions are then discussed in the threads and in the Wiki.

Take REers suggestions into consideration but don't let them rule the rules of the FAQ. Their ability to understand what we understand is sometimes limited.  They should not decide what ultimately should or should not go into the FAQ. 

We should not shy away from mention of any potential currently being discussed by members.  We are here to represent new ideas, if offered, and not to run and hide from those that ridicule concepts that could one day change their world.  Do all of us subscribe to every  Do we stand by our Brothers and Sisters when they are struggling hard against a tide of opposition...yes.

Well said.

Also, I agree that revisions should be made especially in the Conspiracy section.

Suggestions & Concerns / Additions to the FAQ
« on: July 29, 2011, 04:07:17 AM »
Since the FAQ is widely considered to be outdated by current standards, some users have previously suggested the FES administration to update it. Unfortunately, the administration has delayed the update for months, and I, as one of its representatives, sincerely apologize for that matter. I decided to create this thread for users to discuss about the FAQ and make any necessary additions to it. The answers should be brief, straightforward and easy to understand, as the FAQ is, after all, merely a starting point for newcomers.

I'll start off with the following revision:

Q: "What is the circumference and diameter of the Earth?"

Circumference: 78,225 miles

Diameter: 24,900 miles

Keep in mind that these figures are for the size of the known Earth. The size of the Earth as a whole is unknown.

The following topics should either be included or briefly expanded:

Electromagnetic Acceleration
Plate Tectonics/Continental Drift
Retrogate Motion
Coriolis Effect
Age of the Earth
Solar Flares
Google Earth

There are more topics, but these are what I could think of so far.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Trolling in the FE forums
« on: July 19, 2011, 12:47:02 AM »
I agree with John's and Parsifal's sentiment regarding this issue. I also agree that the FAQ needs to be updated. Now, I understand that it is very difficult to determine whether someone is trolling or not and to tell apart, say, "KFC conspiracy" theories from some alternative theories proposed by some prominent FEBs, both in an objective manner. However, we must realize that not all of the rules can be enforced objectively, and so enforcement of the rules often relies on administrative consensuses derived from personal interpretation. So far, the current consensus within the administration is that the relevant posts are illegitimate and should be removed from the upper forums. The upper forums, after all, are reserved not for jokes or casual conversations, but for serious discussions on the Flat Earth Society, the Flat Earth movement, and the theories related to the Flat Earth idea. The administration is not forbidding members from having fun or being entertained; it simply wants members to have fun or be entertained in an appropriate way or in the appropriate forums.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bin Laden is dead!
« on: May 02, 2011, 07:43:22 PM »
The death of Osama Bin Laden was a sign of relief. I congratulate America for her extraordinary effort in bringing the man to justice. Although the war against Al Qaeda continues, his death nonetheless starts a new chapter. President Obama made the right choice from the very start of his presidency. He intensified the search for bin Laden, and he did so quietly with CIA's help. The administration tracked bin Laden down with such stealth and subtlety that he probably thought he was still safe when U.S. Navy SEALs closed in on Abbottabad unnoticed early in the morning. I think the president wanted to have him captured or killed so desperately that he never spoke to the Pakistani government about the operation, presumably in fear that the Pakistani officials might accidentally leak it, try and get the job done first, or notify bin Laden of the coming danger (of course, whether Pakistan purposely shielded bin Laden is debatable).

It is amazing to see the SEALs getting the job done without suffering any casualties, but I think such result is expectable given the considerable amount of skills and experience they have in combat. There will most likely be films dramatizing the way the SEALs handled the operation. HOOYAH!

I have a feeling the quick burial of bin Laden's body would spark new conspiracy theories.

I would consider sentience to be the dividing characteristic between those which are and those which are not.
While reading the article, that was the first thing that came to my mind regarding whether the Earth should be given fundamental rights.

The Lounge / Re: Hello :D
« on: April 12, 2011, 04:07:29 PM »
Welcome to the forums, Jamie! I hope you enjoy your stay.

The Lounge / Re: The Glorious Leader has a new name!
« on: April 11, 2011, 05:50:43 PM »
She will make a fine leader. The world will enter a new age of prosperity under her leadership and guidance.


Announcements / Re: A slight change in rules
« on: April 01, 2011, 02:28:55 AM »
Let me be clear: these updates are not negotiable. These updates are not subject to negotiation. If any member does not comply with the rules, the site administration will impose consequences. The rules will be enforced through administrative action.

It is reported that, although the Gaddafi regime has declared a ceasefire, Libyan armed forces are assaulting Benghazi heavily. If this is true, then it is clear that such declaration is simply a tactic used by the regime to impede foreign military intervention and buy time.

The Lounge / Re: fluckin eh!
« on: March 11, 2011, 12:56:45 AM »

This appears to be one of the major topics in the news regarding the 2011 Libyan Uprising. The U.S. has considered establishing a no-fly zone over Libya to hinder Gaddafi's air force, but I'm not sure whether getting involved in another major war would be a good thing for Americans. After all, the U.S. is spread thin by fighting on two fronts, and fighting on a third one could be detrimental to her already weak economy. However, Gaddafi vowed to fight until the end, and the situation will only get bloodier so long as his armed forces remain strong. What are your thoughts on this issue?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Khaddafi is Right
« on: March 08, 2011, 11:48:58 PM »
Human Development Report - Ireland
Sorry to interrupt you, but that is Indonesia's profile. Ireland's profile is the following:

The Lounge / Re: It's that time of year again.
« on: December 10, 2010, 11:47:45 PM »
Happy December, everyone! ;D

The Lounge / Re: Gayer
« on: October 23, 2010, 05:10:53 PM »
 :( ..

Flat Earth General / Re: The name says it all.
« on: October 16, 2010, 10:09:22 PM »
Welcome! We opened this site not to joke around or troll anyone, but to promote the Flat Earth Movement. There are people here who seriously believe the Earth is flat, and their research is located in the Flat Earth Believer's forum [click]. In addition, I suggest you to check out our president's essay [click] for a brief summary of the Flat Earth Society and its philosophies.

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