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The Lounge / Re: What's your favorite quotes?
« on: July 13, 2012, 04:08:35 PM »
"To subdue the enemy without fighting is the acme of skill." - Sun Tzu

"Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." - Lao Tzu

"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." - Terry Pratchett

There's more, but these are the only ones I could think of at the moment.

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The Lounge / Re: A Friendly Chat
« on: July 03, 2012, 06:34:27 PM »
Damn, very sorry to hear that. Glad to know you're okay.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Euro 2012 thread
« on: July 01, 2012, 02:21:57 PM »
SPAAAIIINNN!!!!

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Euro 2012 thread
« on: June 28, 2012, 05:30:36 PM »
It's like as if Germany are destined to lose against Italy for eternity.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Euro 2012 thread
« on: June 25, 2012, 12:20:24 AM »
I have a feeling the final match could be between Spain and Germany again. These two teams haven't really lost their touch. Germany are as coherent and balanced as before (they seem to fight as a single unit all the time), while Spain are yet again nearly untouchable thanks to their exceptional midfield and Tiki-Taka (they probably could get at least 200 passes with just Xavi and Iniesta). Though, Portugal and Italy have performed very well so far, and they are definitely strong enough to take on Spain and Germany, respectively.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Euro 2012 thread
« on: June 13, 2012, 07:11:21 PM »
Poor Dutch. :( Now they must at the very least defeat Portugal with a higher goal difference, all the while praying that Germany will defeat Denmark. Though, winning against Portugal with two goals ahead is hardly an easy task, and football, like any other sport, is full of surprises (Denmark might end up defeating Germany as well). I honestly couldn't believe the Netherlands would be in such a bad position so quickly, seeing that they have such talented players and performed very well in the qualification stages not long ago.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 25, 2012, 07:46:26 PM »
Good game. I must say the wolves are pretty clever for killing off most of the active, enthusiastic players early in the game. This is so that the wolves will be able to successfully manipulate the remaining players into killing the wrong ones near the end of game, as (1) they're most likely clueless due to their inactivity or lack of interest in the game and (2) there will not enough active ones to counter the wolves' influence and thus get a more favourable bandwagon going. I mean, Lord Wilmore was the only surviving villager that tried to counter their influence and rally his remaining brethren in the final round. I don't know if this really was part of their strategy, but that's essentially how I felt about the situation.

In any case, this has to be the most frustrating werewolf game I've ever played or watched; almost everyone just went after his own targets. The villagers in the other ones I've played were much more cooperative. However, I was part of the problem as well, primarily because some villagers (dead or alive) were planning to get Irush before the time I started accusing Sean and I, for some reason, was more interested in going after my own target (rooster) than joining their bandwagon. Speaking of rooster, my biggest blunder in this game was to accuse her of being a wolf. That was the dumbest move I've ever made. I admit I really didn't have any good reason to accuse her; I simply acted on instinct and followed the bloodthirsty crowd. I knew I made a big mistake the moment I realized I just couldn't think of a single good reason to support my accusation. My accusation against Sean was a different case. Either way, lesson learned.

Well played, wolves. Well played.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 23, 2012, 10:04:01 PM »
I'm confident that Wilmore and Gayer are not Wolves.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 23, 2012, 07:13:48 PM »
Jack, I wrote those rules. 1 in 5 is not a ratio. If you express the victory conditions "1 in every 5 players is a wolf" as a ratio, it's "1 wolf to every 4 villagers", or 1:4. Similarly, if the victory conditions are that 1 in every 4 players is a wolf, then that equates to a ratio of 1 wolf to every 3 villagers, or 1:3.


The passage you quoted clearly distinguishes between players, villagers and wolves. However, the ratio was simply different for that game. In that game, victory conditions for the wolves were that 1 in every 5 players be a wolf, or in other words that there was 1 wolf to every 4 villagers (1:4).


The victory ratio changes from game to game, because sometimes the number of players means that you cannot simply increase/lower the number of wolves to balance the game. Adding or subtracting a wolf makes a huge difference, whereas increasing or lowering the victory ratio can make less of a difference, and allow for a more balanced game. It just depends on the numbers.
Sorry, I'm being stupid here. You're right. It appears I mistakenly thought the original passage meant 1:5. This caused me to believe that Pongo meant 1 Wolf in every 3 players when he wrote 1:3.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 23, 2012, 06:29:10 PM »
The rule clearly says it's 1 wolf to every 3 players, not Villagers.


The ratio doesn't make sense if it means 1 wolf to every 3 players, because wolves are players. The crossed out rules refer to 1 in every 5 players being a wolf, not 1 wolf to every 5 players. Look at the passage you quoted. There are wolves and villagers, but all of them are players.


The 1:3 ratio means 1 wolf to every 3 villagers.
Look,

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for example, if all three Wolves are to stay alive and win, they have to kill until there are only 12 Villagers left (i.e. 15 players overrall). For two Wolves to win, there must only be 8 Villagers left (i.e. 10 players overall).

The above refers to the previous 1:5 ratio. It says that the game is over if there are 15 players remaining (3x5=15), which include the 3 Wolves. This means it's 12 Villagers and 3 Wolves. Now, since the ratio is changed to 1:3, the game will be over if there are 9 players remaining (3x3=9), which, again, include the 3 Wolves. This means it's 6 Villagers and 3 Wolves. Simply put, it's 1 Wolf : 3 players, not 1 Wolf : 3 Villagers.

I got the wording wrong in my previous post, as I simply copied what you just said. I meant 1 Wolf in every 3 players.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 23, 2012, 05:51:09 PM »
The rule clearly says it's 1 wolf to every 3 players, not Villagers.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 23, 2012, 05:40:17 PM »
I thought there are currently 14 players remaining.

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For the Wolves, the aim is to kill enough of the Villagers so that 1 in every 5 players is a Wolf- for example, if all three Wolves are to stay alive and win, they have to kill until there are only 12 Villagers left (i.e. 15 players overrall). For two Wolves to win, there must only be 8 Villagers left (i.e. 10 players overall).

Since the ratio is now 1:3 and there are 3 Wolves remaining, the Wolves win if there are 9 players (including the Wolves) remaining. Since 5 more players have to be killed in order for the Wolves to win, the Wolves have 3 more rounds to go, while we only have 2. Here's my illustration:

1. Tausami ---- Wolf kill (tonight)
2. Saddam Hussein ---- Lynch (next day)
3. General Disarray ---- Wolf kill
4. Irushwithscvs ---- Lynch
5. Particle Person ---- Wolf kill
6. Lord Wilmore
7. Colonel Gaydafi
8. DDDDAts all folks
9. Sean
10. Sillyrob
11. Marcus Aurelius
12. Verrine
13. Ichimaru Gin :]
14. Mr Pseudonym

Or maybe I'm missing some here..

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 23, 2012, 03:07:49 PM »
I seriously recommend that we lynch Sean. I'm very confident that he's a Wolf. I find it suspicious that shortly after I accused him of being a Wolf, he started accusing others (presumably trying to draw attention away from him) instead and, unlike most players that have been falsely accused previously, never tried to prove his innocence in any way. Basically, he was being evasive, and that's probably because he's guilty. If he turns out to be a Wolf, then chances are Gayer, DDDDAts all folks, and Irush are not Wolves, as these are the players he wanted us to lynch. We have a chance of gaining much more (killing a Wolf and crossing several people off the suspicion list) by lynching him.

Marcus is a good choice as well. I was surprised that he actually complained about how the Psychic is allowed to tell his dead allies what his guesses are, when this has always been a tradition here and never been a problem before. If he's truly a Villager, why, then, did he complain about a strategy that could lead him to victory without actually breaking the game? If he's a Wolf, it's obviously because it just killed one of his brethren.

Sigh, I think the whole idea of the psychic telling the dead who their guesses are is kind of cheap, and not in the spirit of the game.

He went quiet after Saddam accused him of being a Wolf in response to the above. Now, he accuses Saddam of being a Wolf for some reason. If Marcus does turn out to be a Wolf, then chances are Saddam is not. We have can lynch two more people before we lose, and we really should use them to kill Sean and Marcus.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 22, 2012, 03:28:32 AM »
Please disregard what I said about Ichi, sorry.

I think Sean's a wolf.
I think he is. I'm not sure why he started accusing Gayer all of a sudden, as I honestly don't see anything wrong or suspicious about her. Maybe she was acting in character, but that she complained about how unfair the previous 1:5 ratio was hints that she's not a Wolf. And if she's Wolf, she wouldn't have complained when we were lynching The Terror instead of Rooster: had she been a Wolf all along, it wouldn't have mattered to her which of these two players gets lynched first, as neither of them are Wolves anyway. Perhaps Sean is just trying to shift attention away from him. We should lynch him next.

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The Lounge / Re: Official Happy Birthday Thread
« on: May 21, 2012, 10:30:43 PM »
Happy belated birthday!! :D

Hope you had a wonderful birthday, Wilmore.


EDIT: the first one doesn't sound quite right

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 21, 2012, 07:46:38 PM »
I don't know why lynching an innocent would be a good thing. We want more innocents alive.
I agree, but we have no other choice due to the death of the Psychic. At this point of the game, unless one of the Wolves decides to betray his brethren, the only way to truly determine a player's identity is to have him lynched (it would be great if he selflessly votes to get himself lynched as well, if adding his vote would just get us a majority; and this is so we could then move on to the next suspect). It might still be feasible for us to try keeping as many Villagers alive as possible if the Psychic is alive.

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Now, I seriously don't think Gayer is Wolf. Supertrails and Particle Person are most likely not Wolves either. We should start looking at other players that have been participating but were off the radar screen most of the time. I'm looking at Ichi and Sean. Those two have been quiet, but not too quiet so that they could keep a low profile without making it look too obvious: often they would just show up to vote and then fall back into the shadows. And yet, unlike Irushwithscvs or sillyrob, they have been online pretty much every day since the game started. We should try and get either one of them lynched in the next round or so. I think one (or maybe both) of them could be a Wolf.

What made me suspicious about Ichi is that he seemed to be very certain that Dann and Lorddave are innocent very early in the game. He announced his refusal to jump onto the bandwagons that eventually got them both lynched probably because he wanted to make us think he's a sensible Villager when he's probably a Wolf in disguise. And honestly, I thought he was the Psychic when he, ever since the first day, kept going after Rooster, but now I'm starting to think he may have done so to get us lynch the wrong person (for the lulz or as a way to deceive us, I'm not sure). What's strange is that the only bandwagon he ever jumped onto in the entire game was the one that got Rooster lynched; he hasn't voted anybody else so far. If he's truly a Villager, he's not a very cooperative one. Sean hasn't done anything suspicious publicly yet; however, that's probably because he wants to keep a low profile, as he has been somewhat quiet despite being online almost every day. Finally, the deaths of users like Enigma, Vindictus, and particularly Parsifal tend to point me toward Sean and Ichi, although I admit this isn't really convincing evidence as anyone could've killed them. The deaths just seem to show a pattern.

I know this is all speculation (and I apologize if I failed to make sense in any part of it), but with the death of the Psychic, that's really all we have left. In any case, unless we manage to kill a Wolf in the next 3 days, we have exactly 3 lynches left.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 19, 2012, 08:07:41 PM »
I'm uncertain about Irushwithscvs. I, too, find it suspicious that he suddenly started posting after being inactive for so long; however, he probably just doesn't care much about the game any more, and that might be the reason he failed to vote properly. He could indeed be using the "I won't be lynched if I don't post" strategy, but he hasn't been as active as he used to be since May 5th (before the game began). I think he might be busy in RL, but I could be wrong. If we do end up lynching him instead and he turns out to be a Wolf, then rooster is probably innocent, as he did try to get her lynched. Perhaps he did so in order to hide his true identity, but I'm not sure about that.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 19, 2012, 04:19:33 PM »
Yeah, lynch her in the next round.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 18, 2012, 11:46:38 PM »
I don't know, but The Terror doesn't strike me as a Wolf. He gave some good advice a few pages back and, unlike rooster, voted to lynch Roundy shortly after receiving that crucial info the Psychic provided via Parsifal. Did he do all of that in order to mask his identity? Probably. Though, I most definitely could be wrong about him, and it's better to lynch someone than no one at this stage of the game. I vote to lynch The Terror.

The Terror (7)
Rooster (2)

Hopefully this lynch will be successful.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 18, 2012, 08:31:13 PM »
Doing that would pretty much damn the revealed innocent villagers to death.  If nobody is going to suspect them, then the wolves will target them.  On the other hand, it may give us an advantage.
I understand, but I just think that doing so may give us an advantage as we have less chance of lynching a Villager if we know more players that are Villagers, and we can only lynch so many Villagers before the Wolves win. With 19 more players remaining, we can lynch only 5 more Villagers before we lose (correct if I'm wrong here), assuming all 3 Wolves will not die and miss their opportunity to kill.

Anyway, I'll let the Psychic decide.

Wut? Having less innocent villagers will get you closer to losing the game.
Yes, but it's better for us for to lynch someone than lynch no one at all now that the Psychic is dead, as there is a chance we could lynch a Wolf. We will also have less players to worry about as a result of this, thereby increasing our chance of getting a Wolf. Doing so would be unwise if the Psychic is still alive, as there is a chance we could accidentally lynch him.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 18, 2012, 05:55:23 PM »
Yeah, tell us who the other three guesses were, and if all of them happen not to be Wolves, we can cross them off the list of possible suspects. In the meantime, I vote to lynch rooster.

The Terror (3)
rooster (3)

Hey guys, remember when the psychic said this?
If you're truly on our side, you would do us a favour by also voting to get yourself lynched, as having you removed from the list may help us get closer to the Wolves.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 18, 2012, 01:43:48 AM »
Also, we should refrain from lynching until the Psychic either finds another Wolf or dies.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 17, 2012, 11:32:01 PM »
Hmm, I find it quite suspicious that you did not vote to lynch Roundy; for some reason you chose not to jump onto the bandwagon this time. Sorry roosy, but I still think you're a Wolf. Maybe the Psychic could guess to see whether you really are one.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 16, 2012, 01:34:01 PM »
Guys, the psychic has made contact with me after determining that I am not a wolf. I have been informed that Roundy is a wolf.

I propose we lynch Roundy, and if Roundy turns out not to be a wolf, then I shall reveal the identity of the supposed psychic as they are a wolf.

Of course, if both of them turn out not to be wolves, you may then lynch me, as I am obviously a wolf if this story is bullshit.

Either way, we lynch a wolf within the next three days.
Sounds good. I'll leave rooster alone.. for now. I vote to lynch Roundy.

I vote to lynch Roundy (6)
rooster (1)
Tausami (1)

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 16, 2012, 12:08:41 PM »
I vote to lynch rooster [1]

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 16, 2012, 01:36:35 AM »
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Wolves

For the Wolves, the aim is to kill enough of the Villagers so that 1 in every 5 players is a Wolf- for example, if all three Wolves are to stay alive and win, they have to kill until there are only 12 Villagers left (i.e. 15 players overrall). For two Wolves to win, there must only be 8 Villagers left (i.e. 10 players overall).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we will lose if we fail to lynch a Wolf the next day, as Wolf Argon's kill will bring the number of players alive to 21 and the Wolves win if that number drops to 20, since their goal is to kill enough Villagers so that there is 1 of them for every 5 players alive in the game. Of course, this assumes Wolf Argon does kill a player, but I'm sure he or she will not miss the opportunity.

I have nothing against rooster, but I suggest that we lynch her in the next round. She just doesn't strike me as a Villager for some reason. I think Parsifal was merely trying to help us.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Euro 2012 thread
« on: May 15, 2012, 06:27:01 PM »
Why would you do that? They play the second most boring football on the planet after Greece. Pass-pass-wait. Pass-pass-pass-wait. Back the other way. Pass-pass-wait. Pass-Pass-roll on the floor like you have had your leg cut off. Also Torres is useless, Villa is broken, Pedro is broken, Raul is 74 years old, and they haven't really got a huge number of players to fill in up front. Puyol is also broken.
Well, I just happen to be their fan, and I enjoy their fluid style of play, which involves dominating possession through consecutive passings. This, I think, strengthens their defence simply by preventing their opponents from ever touching the ball and thus making any advances. The repeated passings can also help them penetrate the enemy lines. In a way, it's like playing monkey-in-the-middle with your opponent (him being the monkey, of course), and the match between Spain and Germany in the last World Cup showed this quite clearly. Anyway, I think Tiki-Taka is beautiful football, and it's fun to watch the Spanish playing in their opponents' half for the majority of the match.

Though, I haven't watched football in a while (what I said is simply based on the games that I've watched in the last Euro and World Cup), so I don't know if they have changed some of their strategies. I'm sure you know more about them than I do.


EDIT: just wanted add a few more things.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Euro 2012 thread
« on: May 15, 2012, 11:51:57 AM »
I'll be cheering for Spain again.

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 14, 2012, 05:37:48 PM »
I guess I'll jump onto the bandwagon as well. I vote to lynch Lorddave.

Lorddave (11)
Parsifal (4)
rooster (1)
Particle Person (2)

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The Lounge / Re: Werewolf -- Crestwood
« on: May 11, 2012, 05:35:46 PM »
I vote to lynch Dann.

Dann [8]
Moobs [1]
Parsifal [1]
The Terror [1]

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