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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Rolf Harris
« on: June 25, 2015, 02:14:49 PM »
I was always fond of his music...
Shame that he's a paedophile.
Shame that he's a paedophile.
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Your suggestion is more than reasonable mate but there's a big problem: This is the FES we're talking about here; the existence of which not even all round-earthers can agree as to whether or not is real or just a really long troll/prank/con-job. No, truly!
If the FE'ers were to agree with your rules, most would be unable to post to begin with (including our much esteemed 'mod') and the others who actually could would have to agree within a few pages the Earth is indeed an oblate spheroid. Am I perhaps exaggerating? Not even close.
All they have is derailing, avoiding questions, ad hominems, fallacies and really, really entertaining delusions about how they think the world works (eg. see some of JRowe & sceptimatic's work; it's gut-busting stuff). Let's face it: that's why most of us are here - for the fun of it.
In their heart of hearts, they know the Earth is a spheroid, all other noise is just an attempt to distract them from their empty lives because they 'figured it out' and that sets them apart and makes them special.
My goodness, no one listened when I said watch the video entirely.That's because most of us that have been here for a while already know that Coriolis is too weak to influence how water drains.
reply to anton...
FE'ers are actually in the majority - along with the word of the Bible, Koran, Hindu, Chinese, Aborigine, Native American, etc. etc. Modern science is a control freak ruled by the elites. It is a brainwashed, materialistic teenager insulting his parents and ancestors. He'll wake up to reality the hard way, but eventually he will have to accept what has been known since the dawn of creation. You are not an accident. You live in a world designed for you, so you can grow and learn truth. Your fellow man, past and present are a part of you, not against you. good luck in your journey.
Did you or did you not witness the portion of the video where the pool of water on one hemisphere drains in the opposite direction of that in the other hemisphere?Do you honestly think that earth rotating once per day can possibly provide enough force to influence a toilet flush? It's far more likely that the toilet manufacturers build in the swirl direction at the factory.
i saw what i need and i know people are lying without end." class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">500 years of deception and little liars like you won't disappear after one video.
You have to synchronize it with this video to make sense:
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Just watch the first few seconds and they explain how to do that.
Then, watch the entire video.
Then you can admit you were wrong about a flat Earth and go home with some amount of dignity.
Did you even watch the video, you poor unfortunate soul?
" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">500 years of deception and little liars like you won't disappear after one video.
You have to synchronize it with this video to make sense:
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Just watch the first few seconds and they explain how to do that.
Then, watch the entire video.
Then you can admit you were wrong about a flat Earth and go home with some amount of dignity.
These people make so much suspicion, even one who would claim to be in space was probably much more open mind than this people.
Yea we know, you are 17 American who make so many spelling mistake.Itchy didn't you understand that Flat earth=god and round earth=science
and they are contradict at the essence. Science and religion are a system of power create to make human ruling over human and a system hiding the true god.
Round earth religion = science.
God=flat earth and simple life.
Think about it, don't quote the science if you believe in flat earth.
I am a Christian and I believe in round Earth and science. Just because God made the universe doesn't mean we shouldn't learn everything we can about it with experimentation.
Edwin Hubble was the first person to realise that everything in the universe is moving away from us (red-shifted). This fact is now universally accepted by the cosmology community.
Everything in every direction is getting further away. In round Earth theory, this can only mean one thing - our little globe is the centre of the universe. I think most will agree this is ridiculous, or so unlikely that it be dismissed as a realistic explanation.
Now, in Infinite Earth Theory (IET) this all makes perfect sense. IET states that Earth is a flat plain making up the floor of the universe. The big bang was an event at the bottom of the universe, projecting all matter upwards. This energy continues today, as observed by red-shift. Only heavy elements have fallen to create the Earth, as well as lighter elements produced on Earth itself (the atmosphere).
Of course, this is only an idea of what happened at the beginning of the universe. Much more research is needed.
I have heard of this. What baffles me is how anyone with a telescope, during most phases of the moon, can clearly tell by the shading of craters near the edges of it that there is no possible way a flat disc could assume this form.
I've never thought of this before. Would you mind elaborating on the crater point? It seems like pretty good evidence against FET if it can't easily be hand-waved away.
So answer me this, why, as the earth continues to ascend, do the sun and the moon continue to affect as at all? If Earth is not orbiting the sun and the sun is not orbiting the Earth and the Earth is gradually moving upwards then why for Pete's sake don't we eventually pass the sun and the moon?Why wouldn't the sun and moon continue to affect us?
Why would we expect to pass them if both we and the sun/moon/observable universe are being accelerated at similar rates by similar force(s)?QuoteAll right, so you believe in some gravity. Now answer me this: is this gravitational pull enough to leave you with no need for an ascending, accelerating planetNot in my opinion, though the Davis Model features a stationary infinite plane.QuoteI can't dig to China because I would burn up as I approached the Earth's core.Same issue.QuoteI may have a poor argument for this one, but I fail to understand why a FE would remain perfectly circular, and why it isn't some other abstract shape.
I certainly can't say that it is circular and not an abstract shape. Only that the known regions of the earth are loosely circular in extent. That is the nature of zeteticism.QuoteFor starters, please explain to me how a massive cylindrical heavenly body was formed and perpetuated after the supposed big bang.Do we know that it was necessarily formed as a massive cylindrical body? Further, why could it not be perpetuated if static forces are stronger than exhibited gravitation. My pencil exhibits gravitation, but does not collapse into a sphere.QuoteAlso, I said creation scientist, specifically, meaning having a degree of some sort.Anaximander will be devastated
FE supporters embrace the idea that gravity doesn't really exist, and the reason their frisbee shaped planet doesn't collapse into a spherical world is due to this belief.This isn't necessarily true. First, gravity is highly out of vogue even among globularists.
Further, the Davis Model, for example, has no issue with gravitation. Nor do I particular have issue with gravitation. Assuming something very much like GR is true, the earth must exhibit some gravitation.
I beg the question, why do the sun, the moon, satellites, and other heavenly bodies orbit the Earth?I don't know of any contemporary flat earth models which feature the celestial bodies orbiting the earth.
If there is no gravity, and the reason we are kept on the surface is because Earth is ascending at an increasing rate, then there is absolutely no logical reason for anything to orbit anything else.
Does not follow.
These flaws are just the tips of the iceberg. Why can't I dig a hole through the ground that leads right into space?
Why can't you dig to China?
How do volcanoes operate? What about tectonic plate movement?Assuming tectonic plates theories are true, is there a reason you believe they could not operate in the same manner they would on a globular earth?
what's to stop me from taking a boat over the edge of the planet, or flying in an aircraft for that matter?Distance?
Another problem I have with the FE notion is what it tells us about the beginning of the universe. The FEer certainly doesn't believe in the big bang, because environments for the two ideas are logically incompatible.In what manner?
And I can't name a single Creation scientist who accepts the FE model either.You've not met all our members then.
Here's my thoughts on the matter.
I'm not a FE advocate per say, nor do I believe the earth is entirely what we are told it is. There are just too many absurdities to support the globe paradigm and too many futile FE arguments to support the generally accepted FE map.
There are lost of puzzling and off worldly concepts to wrap our tiny brains around with both theories, like us travelling at whatever the insane speed it is that we are supposed to be travelling at a galactic scale not to mention the mind blowing speed that we must be travelling at a universal scale. Our tiny atmosphere somehow seems to protect us from these otherwise fatal physics and this is just a cosmic accident
The OP above does a good job of questioning some of the FE problems, albeit a little flippant.
One of the FE arguments I see a lot is the aeroplane travelling with or against the earths rotation and the seemingly anomalous flight times. Because we occupy the same atmosphere as a aeroplane (relatively speaking) ergo the same physics apply, we can quite clearly see that a simple jump in the air does not cause us to land in a different location, so the whole air travel thing is just a convoluted and unnecessary way in which to demonstrate that either the earth is spinning along with its atmosphere or the earth is not spinning at all. Any closer to the truth? I don't think so. Misinformation? Phony bone of contention?
There is so much deception on this planet by those who control it and purport to be the official purveyors of truth, that I question EVERYTHING they tell us and I try to bring logic and critical thinking along for the ride too. I will go where the evidence leads and not get duped by the rigid scientism paradigm that lots of the RE advocates are hell bent at repeating.
If you are interested in the subject of ancient technology, you soon learn that in some respects the ancient people were far more intelligent than us. We may have intellect but they possessed holistic intelligence (there is a world of difference between the two) and understood natural law both on a micro and macrocosmic level. They possessed seemingly inexplicable knowledge of the cosmos that up until the last few centuries we did not know. A lot of these civilisations also understood the earth to be flat.
Either way unless I go in to space and actually see the earth through my own eyes, I will never claim to support either theory.
Sure. I've spotted some points of contention that FE'ers could bring up with your OP.
Firstly, FE'ers don't think that the Sun and Moon are spherical. They are also disc shaped, and they act like spotlights above the Earth, which rotate in whatever way that works for FE'ers at the time. Now, this brings up several problems of course. One of them being: sun sets, eclipses, etc.
Eclipses are explained by an object simply called "the shadow object" or "the anti-moon". This is a mysteriously invisible (they don't know how it's invisible, it just is sometimes) disc shaped object that is the exact same size as the sun/moon/whatever that blots out the sun at set intervals (that adhere to RE predictions, of course). Some will claim that you can see this "shadow object" at night by looking for a circular spot in the sky where the stars appear blotted out, but I've never seen anything like that in my entire life of stargazing. Why you can't see the "shadow object" and how it has the ability to blot out the sun while remaining completely invisible at the same time is also left unexplained.
"Moonlight" is also explained by Moon Shrimp emitting light via bioluminescence. I don't know much about this theory. Since it is so ridiculous and unbelievable many FE'ers will tell you that it's a "joke theory", but really... it's all a joke theory, so it's just as valid in debates as any other point brought up by FE'ers.
I would go on, but I am a bit busy at the moment. Hope you found this entertaining.
The general consensus of Fe'rs is that they failed in getting to space, and found that it was flat, but didn't want to say that humanity was wrong for millennium.
jroa's trying to say: "I don't know and I don't care enough to even BS an answer at this point".Perhaps this is why so many bottom feeders appear strangely peculiar; in fact, they are extraterrestrial beings that have dug their way into the ocean through the underside of the planet, and have evolved to survive in their new environment!
But to give an honest answer; it has to be at least about 7 or 8 miles deep to accommodate for the deepness of the Earth's oceans.
That's the case for most of the FET supporters though, isn't it?
For the most part, yes. If you've browsed the wiki then you've seen how flimsy the Flat Earth model is. If you're posting here, then I suppose you've already given thought to the fact that you'll be arguing with trolls and "me too!"s, though.
While some people do bring up good points about the Round Earth model and how it's flawed... more specifically, how the Round Earth theory of the universe is flawed on a fundamental level, that's about the extent of actual meaningful discourse you're going to get here.
By no means are you going to get anything meaningful from a conversation with the poster about me, however. Simply browse his post history. He is a cancer, and the only way to get rid of him if to ignore him (which people seem to have a hard time doing).
EJ is about to post in this thread. He is a disingenuous troll that has no interest in anything but causing drama.That's the case for most of the FET supporters though, isn't it?
What makes you think that any of us have this in order to know the answer?