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Unlike the handful of fake images of Earth from space that are supposed to be real, fake pictures of satellites in space don't really exist at all.  They happily show you computer generated images and cartoons, and the public is fine with that.
There's one small problem with this notion.  Did you know that satellite imagery is used by a number of scientific, commercial and military purposes?  How long do you suppose that a rather sizable industry based on completely fabricated data could last?  Do you honestly think that customers of satellite imagery won't check to see how accurate the images are?
You said scientific - you said fabrication.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change
« on: June 28, 2015, 03:30:54 PM »

I click on your link watch it for 10 seconds and see a clown talking at me as though I am a retard.

So it was pretty much the right level for you?
While your there old mate. Wadda ya reckon bout this evidence of palms in the Arctic?
Must have been a bit warm eh?

What do you think it means, as far as climate change goes?
That the north pole has been tropical.

Doesn't that support climate change?
Yes, but not man made.

So what's causing the CO2 levels to rise like they are?
I don't believe in CO2 as science portrayed it.

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Flat Earth General / Why do you believe in flat earth ?
« on: June 28, 2015, 02:50:17 PM »
This thread for flat earther like me to tell us why they think the earth is flat ? what is the best explanation for that ? what make them sure about it ? what inspire them to seek for the answer ?

I believe in Flat earth because i believe in soul. I believe our existence is very unique and the purpose of science is to make our existence seem minor and not -special = meaningless.
I believe in god and it's utmost wisdom and believe he will challenge everything and make almost no boundaries, he will make one plane of beautiful world, endless creatures, endless beauty, so it must be flat earth it can't be dark space or round earth with gravity to support about the inconvenience shape.
The world is beauty, the soul navigate us in the endless abundance.
I believe in spirit and soul and therefore in flat earth.


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What About The ISS?
« on: June 28, 2015, 01:58:51 PM »
But there is no curve that can be easily discerned by the naked eye at sea level.
exactly.no curvature at sea level.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What About The ISS?
« on: June 28, 2015, 01:28:15 PM »
If the camera is not pointed directly at the horizon then the curve will apear to be more or less curved then it actually is, and if a camera is pointed perfectly strait forward at a 90 degree angle from down or up then the horizon will always appear perfectly strait.  These are problems that arise for the same reason that there is no perfect flat Earth map: a sphere cannot be perfectly projected on a flat surface.
So you admit the earth is flat ?

Nope.  Even if the horizon were below eye level my statement would be true.  This would also mean that if you looked down at the horizon it would appear curved.
so do you admit the camera always create the curvature and just like there is no curvature in shore height there is no curvature in 120000 feet.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What About The ISS?
« on: June 28, 2015, 12:00:53 PM »
If the camera is not pointed directly at the horizon then the curve will apear to be more or less curved then it actually is, and if a camera is pointed perfectly strait forward at a 90 degree angle from down or up then the horizon will always appear perfectly strait.  These are problems that arise for the same reason that there is no perfect flat Earth map: a sphere cannot be perfectly projected on a flat surface.
So you admit the earth is flat ?

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The curvature is only inconsistent when the camera is not pointed strait forward or directly at the horizon, which by the way are not the same direction.  If a camera is pointed directly forward the horizon will always apear strait but on a round Earth it will be below the center of the image, and if pointed at the horizon the horizon will appear to be as curved as it actually is, although the field of view of the camera effects how much of the curve you can see.  The inconstancies are only there when the camera is pointed in other directions.  Such things happen for the SAMs reason that there is no working flat Earth map: a sphere cannot be perfectly projected on a plane.
I showed you photos of so-called curvature from beach height that the camera was directly at the horizon, so you agree that the camera create a curvature that don't exist ?

Just draw a line between the upper left corner and the lower right corner of the image and another kind between the upper right corner and the lower left corner of the image.  Where the lines cross is the center of the frame.  It's also possible that the image was cropped ca, meaning that the center of the image won't neseserily corespond to where the camera was pointing.

Here is a great demonstration of lens distortion:


It's 3 images taken with 3 different fields of view at a distance that the grid looks roughly the same size in all images.
so there is not curvature and the photo you posted is fake curvature do you agree ?

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The curvature is only inconsistent when the camera is not pointed strait forward or directly at the horizon, which by the way are not the same direction.  If a camera is pointed directly forward the horizon will always apear strait but on a round Earth it will be below the center of the image, and if pointed at the horizon the horizon will appear to be as curved as it actually is, although the field of view of the camera effects how much of the curve you can see.  The inconstancies are only there when the camera is pointed in other directions.  Such things happen for the SAMs reason that there is no working flat Earth map: a sphere cannot be perfectly projected on a plane.
I showed you photos of so-called curvature from beach height that the camera was directly at the horizon, so you agree that the camera create a curvature that don't exist ?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earthers view on Climate change
« on: June 27, 2015, 03:01:46 PM »
I will ask again.
Why is there evidence of palms in the Arctic
it is science so it is fabricated.

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Mike do you agree that you can't see the curvature while you on beach ? on shore height ?
so why the camera make it look like there is curvature ? because also in 120000 feet it make it look like that.
There is no curvature at zero height there is no curvature at 120000 feet.

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Please people see that I modified my previous comment for your pleasure.

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Exactly!!!!!!!! this is a progress you have mike.
The camera create the curvature there is no curvature at all.

This simply means that images of curvature are inconclusive.  It doesn't mean that there is no curvature.  This is why you can't use apparent curvature as evidence unless you have a level in the shot to measure if the horizon is at eye level.  I an airplane the horizon should be about 3 degrees below eye level according to math.
This is a progress mike, there you have, you agree that the curvature is inconclusive I say - There is not curvature at all only the camera make it.
your claim about 3 degrees below eye level could you show how without a curve show a round earth ? WITHOUT A VISIBLE CURVE.

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I know this tactic - you take the flat earth claims and invert it to Round earth claims.

Oh, you mean the tactic you use when you claim that ships sinking below the horizon somehow proves flat Earth?

I say the curvature cannot be determine because of the camera, and I show you how the curvature is not-exist at all at some photos because in reality there is no curvature.
And now you take my claim as and invert it to globe earth claim how impressive.

That's not in debate.  Look at this image:


That image was taken with a wide field of view lens at a low angle.  That's why it looks curved.  That's why the curvature seems so inconsistent.

What is the law that determine that there is not horizontally curvature in ball isn't it paradox ?


(not to scale)

The horizon is the same angular distance below eye level in all directions from the observer at a given altitude.  The horizon being below eye level results in it looking curved.
Exactly!!!!!!!! this is a progress you have mike.
The camera create the curvature there is no curvature at all.


I don't understand so now you say I should see the curve ? but you said I can't see it round earth ? what the... I should see horizontally curve in globe earth but even nasa cannot demonstrate it because of their stupidity.

see now the deception mike is going to be aware that there is conspiracy:

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Redbull knew like mikeman that the camera has fish-eye lens but afterall they decide to make it look like the curve - CONSPIRACY OR NOT CONSPIRACY=DECEPTION OR NOT DECEPTION.

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by the way, as I see it now you actually said the true - THE CAMERA CAUSE THE CURVATURE - SEE I KNOW ABOUT PHOTOGRAPHY AS YOU SAID.
There is no curvature.

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If you actually knew anything about photography you would know that the field of view of the camera can change the apparent curvature of the Earth.  Also, if you knew anything about geometry you would know that no horizontal curvature is expected on a round Earth.
I know this tactic - you take the flat earth claims and invert it to Round earth claims.
I say the curvature cannot be determine because of the camera, and I show you how the curvature is not-exist at all at some photos because in reality there is no curvature.
And now you take my claim as and invert it to globe earth claim how impressive.

What is the law that determine that there is not horizontally curvature in ball isn't it paradox ?

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by the way, the funny thing is that you can claim by the photo of mikeman that the earth is flat because it show only coin shape not horizontally curvature even nasa can't produce horizontally curvature.
you actually can imagine by the photo of mikeman (Which the curvature caused by the camera) that the earth continue eternally.

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another photo with exaggerated curvature and inconsistencies regarding other photos - there is no curvature only camera.
Thanks to mikeman.

http://i.space.com/images/i/000/040/237/i02/world-view-vista.jpg?1403622057

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no curvature at height of 120000 feet or various curvatures occurring because of camera that show there is no real curvature., visible ships or skylines in horizon that supposed to be obscured by curvature.

What are you talking about?  It looks pretty curved to me.

thank you I looked for this picture.

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LMAO.  So you do not want a debate then.  Hey mods, let's delete the debate section.  modestman thinks there should be nothing other than flat Earth ideas discussed here.
Raising questions is different than think you know certainly the answer, yes the debate section should be removed and people like you who haven't show any recognizable emotion to know something different, should be banned.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What About The ISS?
« on: June 27, 2015, 01:24:54 PM »
Seriously dude, give it up.  You are really just giving ammunition to someone who would point out your lack of intelligent responses.
You are absolutely doing better job convince more people the earth is flat, I agree.

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I stay here to offer a differing viewpoint.  Hence debate.  I am not a sadist by any stretch of the imagination.  I was actually very respectful at first, but I tired of being called a liar and being accused of hounding others.  I have yet to lie on this forum, I have hounded a few though since then. 
Still not a sadist.  I believe in what I can prove, if its too hard for you to understand, thats ok but stop immediately calling it fake or a lie.  Just stay out of the discussion at that point.  Stop spouting off obvious bull crap like what you said earlier and I corrected you on it.
So you posted while I was typing this and once again that is complete bull crap.
390 BC-heliocentric model, replaced the geocentric model (also a spherical Earth model)  BTW heliocentric is not what is used today, the sun is not the center of the universe.
Ill pick Newton's  De motu corporum in gyrum from 1684 since it was about orbiting bodies.
so 390 BC to 1684 CE is 2074 years. 
Now Einstein's work on relativity, we will just use 1905 when special relativity came about, but he finished general relativity in 1915.
so now we have 2074 years between heliocentric and Newton then another 221 years to Einstein. 
Lots of history happened in between those times, lots of people researched those things after they were proposed or published into papers.
Oh mikey you expressed your view many times now you can retire peacefully and go to forum to enrich your knowledge in physics and round earth not in flat earth community, here is a place to rethink flat earth.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flat Earth Sunsets
« on: June 27, 2015, 01:20:14 PM »
the sinking ships, buildings and sun is the same illusion.

That doesn't change the fact that the Sun doesn't shrink near sunset, even if the laws of geometry were as drunk as flat Earth theory suggests.
the law of geometry can kiss my ass, try to explain it by flat earth method why the sun is not shrinking or f*ck off from flat earth community.

So the same laws of geometry used to design and build your computer are false?
prove me the people who created the computer didn't think about porn when they created the computer ?

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https://www.google.co.il/search?q=earth+curvature+from+airplane&biw=1024&bih=573&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=lgKPVYHYKMvWU8Hzg9AC&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#imgrc=HLunTYvt4rrToM%3A

look at this picture - see the curvature.

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look from 1:39-2:00.
now look at this - higher altitude(even if it wasn't higher) almost non-curvature and I say almost because there is no curvature but if rayzor the liar will find with his lying-software a curvature it must be much smaller than the first photo.

every curvature is due to camera.

SEE THAT AND SEE THE DECEPTION - EARTH IS FLAT.

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This is better proof from all your manipulative sun spots from Falkland islands or whatever.
See how the curvature in different videos is almost non - exist and the camera change it.
The photo you posted show much much greater curvature than what we can see ( and what we can is due to camera) in videos in youtube.

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please keep your good job, people like alphaomega and mikeman and rayzor are bunch of arrogant robotic people who has nothing in life except refute the flat earth and have no regrets nor suspicious mind whatsoever they are built to say something and they can't help it.
people get suspicious by you you are so automated that people feel that you have something to hide therefore you are doing great job bringing new flat earthers.

That is of course if flat earthers can push away the mountains of evidence we give against flat Earth like that sunsets are impossible.  That must be really hard.
sunsets are possible in flat earth - you just lack of false logic.( I don't believe in logic,mikeman does)
sometimes 100000 evidences are not enough of tom one video evidence.because they are lack of false logic HAHAHA not conclusive,fake, hoax, lies.

Give me one example of a flat Earth proof.
no curvature at height of 120000 feet or various curvatures occurring because of camera that show there is no real curvature., visible ships or skylines in horizon that supposed to be obscured by curvature.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What About The ISS?
« on: June 27, 2015, 12:57:49 PM »
Water has a blue haze. Or really, just a colored haze.
everything is remake by photoshop or whatever to take out all the irregular.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Million Dollar Question
« on: June 27, 2015, 12:47:21 PM »
your whole life is this forum and debunking flat earth.

Then how do you explain the >90% of my time that I spend not on this forum?
Wow when ? even in your facebook the only photo aside the fake photo of yours is the globe.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What About The ISS?
« on: June 27, 2015, 12:44:25 PM »
You are still yet to explain why there is no blue haze in ISS space walks.
what that supposed to mean ?

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