Show Posts

This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.


Messages - zorbakim

Pages: 1 2 [3] 4
61
Flat Earth Debate / Re: holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« on: December 22, 2018, 08:15:11 PM »
The heavens are not far from me and revolves around me.
No, they are very far away.
All the evidence indicates they are very far away, and not just centred around you.

It is possible because the celestial bodies are holograms.
Prove it.


Your senses are always proving.

62
The heavens are not far from me and revolves around me.

The ancient east Asian 'round sky square earth' is a representation of it.

It is possible because the celestial bodies are holograms.

The hologram is an interference phenomenon of waves.

This world is full of waves.

Therefore, Newtonian gravity that sees the celestial bodies as stones is complete fiction.

How come huge rocks float on our heads?

Satellites are possible by waves full of sky.

Solar winds and cosmic rays are a kind of powerful waves.

All this proves you're the center of the universe.


63
Flat Earth Debate / Re: multiverse: distance to the sun is 6360km
« on: December 18, 2018, 04:34:23 AM »
True science never takes a step forward in the cause of the phenomenon.
Because true science only stays in the sensory or physical things.
If you're looking for true science,
After all, you don't know anything about the world.
All you know is superficial and circular logic.

64
Flat Earth Debate / Re: multiverse: distance to the sun is 6360km
« on: December 18, 2018, 12:37:23 AM »
I mean, Each one is the universe.
Each one has the sun, moon, and stars.
In other words, the suns, moons and stars are as many as humans.
If there is no one in this world, there is no universe either.

65
Flat Earth Debate / Re: multiverse: distance to the sun is 6360km
« on: December 17, 2018, 03:33:39 PM »
I am not arguing for a disk model.
In a disk model, we are not the center of the universe.
It's a clear mistake.

Of course, the shadow of the sundial turned from the equator.
Because, the celestial hemisphere moves with the observer.
The position of the North Pole is also moving at the same time.
as if the axis is fixed in one place.

66
Flat Earth Debate / Re: multiverse: distance to the sun is 6360km
« on: December 17, 2018, 08:35:17 AM »
The sundial was used on the flat terra.
No one thought the sundial would work on the round earth.
Only Eratosthenes and some mathematicians distorted the interpretation of the sundial. 

67
Flat Earth Debate / Multiverse: distance to the sun is 6360km
« on: December 17, 2018, 04:28:42 AM »
We are all at the center of the universe.
The celestial bodies are not so far away,
They are close.
The sundial proves it.
The earth is modeled after a celestial sphere.
Therefore, the distance to the sun is about 6360 kilometers.
The same is true of all celestial bodies, including the North Star.
That explains the change in the elevation of the North Star.

68
Flat Earth Debate / Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« on: December 12, 2018, 10:49:05 PM »
1m high wave at eye level can cover 100m building.
Because the waves are near but the building is far from.


This is true. I have a working about it, that somewhere in here or another website.

In the simplest term, Although the sight distance is much shorter in a rough sea, you can visually follow a ship up to tens of kilometers in the sea without wind. this may extend equal to the distance to the horizon on the land; if there is no wind.
If your eye-level is below the top of the waves then the waves can block ships or buildings higher than the wave but
if your eye-level is above the top of the waves then the waves cannot block ships or buildings higher than the wave.


And the amount blocked can be expressed as waveheight + ((waveheight - eyeheight)/waveheight) x ((shipdistance - wavedistance)/wavedistance).
As an example:
WaveHeight = 2 m, WaveDistance = 10m and ShipDistance = 10 km
EyeHeight   BlockedHeight
   1.8 m               102 m
   1.9 m               52 m
   2.0 m                 2 m
   2.1 m              -48 m the negative values might apply if a ship were "over the curve".
   2.2 m              -98 m
No, the eye-level is the average height of top and bottom of the waves.
Of course, visually.

69
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Earth was made by mathematicians
« on: November 28, 2018, 04:58:03 PM »
"The only thing Kepler knew in advance was the fact that the circles with epicycles WERE EQUIVALENT TO THE ELLIPSE, and all he had to do is FAKE THE ENTRIES."

Sandokhan, It's so nice to see you here.
I'm reading your article very well.
You are great. :)

I agree with you.
The movement of the circles with epicycles seems to be like an elliptical movement.
In the end, they changed Ptolemaic system into heliocentric model easily.
I agree with the manipulation of history, too.

70
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Earth was made by mathematicians
« on: November 26, 2018, 04:38:43 PM »
Donahue, W. H., 「Kepler's Fabricated Figures」
He studied Kepler for a long time.
He is an authority on that field.
When he did the math, he didn't come up with the Kepler model.
Kepler manipulated data to fit his model.
It is common for scientists to manipulate data.

Mathematicians can't handle the irregular giant land.
So they made the world mathematically idealized and simplified.
So the earth was made for that purpose.
In other words, the Earth is just a mathematical modeling.
The real world we live in is quite different from that.
Sometimes deep and sometimes high.
This vast world we live in is space.
Space is out of shape.
Only objects have shapes.
Space is not an object.

71
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Earth was made by mathematicians
« on: November 26, 2018, 07:25:32 AM »
Kepler manipulated data to fit his theory.
Read this
Donahue, W. H., 「Kepler's Fabricated Figures」

72
Flat Earth Debate / The Earth was made by mathematicians
« on: November 26, 2018, 03:05:56 AM »
The Earth was not discovered but made.
The Earth was only a mathematical model.
But mathematicians wanted to make a mathematical model "real".


73
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth has no shape
« on: November 15, 2018, 10:34:54 PM »
If a clock is round and time is a wave, here's a compromise:


wow, it's a nice wave-clock. ;D

74
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth has no shape
« on: November 13, 2018, 08:20:47 AM »
1. The sailors found the land, not the earth

2. Are you saying that EPIC is not the way of whisk broom scan?

As for no 1. both seas and continents were indeed mapped. How do you imagine that trade routes were established? What do you think the British Empire was based on? Trade. Trade routes needed accurate maps and charts.

As for 2 I haven’t a clue what you are on about?

wave is answer for no 1.
Clock is round, but time is not round.

75
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth has no shape
« on: November 12, 2018, 06:48:01 AM »
If EPIC doesn't use the way of <whisk broom>,
what is IFOV of EPIC?

76
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth has no shape
« on: November 12, 2018, 01:46:41 AM »
1. The sailors found the land, not the earth

2. Are you saying that EPIC is not the way of whisk broom scan?

77
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth has no shape
« on: November 11, 2018, 05:26:41 AM »
EPIC is different from digital camera or common scanner.
It takes pictures with 'whisk broom scanner'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisk_broom_scanner
A whisk broom or spotlight sensor (also known as an across track scanner) is a technology for obtaining satellite images with optical cameras.[1] It is used for passive remote sensing from space. In a whisk broom sensor, a mirror scans across the satellite’s path (ground track), reflecting light into a single detector which collects data one pixel at a time. The moving parts make this type of sensor expensive and more prone to wearing out. Whisk broom scanners have the effect of stopping the scan, and focusing the detector on one part of the swath width. Because the detector is only focused on a subsection of the full swath at any time, it typically has a higher resolution than a push broom design for the same size of scan swath.

78
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth has no shape
« on: November 07, 2018, 03:12:50 PM »
I quote from https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/about/epic

"The first image released to the public (Figure 3) shows Africa, Middle East, India and China, it also shows the size of the Earth relative to EPIC’s field of view (black area). The pixel size projected onto the Earth near the equator is 8x8 km squared with an optical resolution of about 12x12 km squared for visible wavelengths."

"The pixel size projected onto the Earth near the equator is 8x8 km squared"
Namely, 8x8 km squared is IFOV.
It is the range of being taken at once.
Thanks for showing once again that you have no idea what you are talking about, or are blatantly lying/blatantly misrepresenting reality.
What that is saying is 1 pixel of the image is 8 by 8 km at the equator.
Instead, if you bothered reading the above you have this:
"relative to EPIC’s field of view (black area)"
That means the entire image is EPIC's FOV.
So EPIC takes a picture of roughly a full hemisphere as a single image.

Or are you going to try claiming all digital cameras only produce composite images, as do digital scans of analog images?
You don't know the difference between FOV and IFOV.

79
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth has no shape
« on: November 07, 2018, 07:52:24 AM »
I quote from https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/about/epic

"The first image released to the public (Figure 3) shows Africa, Middle East, India and China, it also shows the size of the Earth relative to EPIC’s field of view (black area). The pixel size projected onto the Earth near the equator is 8x8 km squared with an optical resolution of about 12x12 km squared for visible wavelengths."

"The pixel size projected onto the Earth near the equator is 8x8 km squared"
Namely, 8x8 km squared is IFOV.
It is the range of being taken at once.



80
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth has no shape
« on: November 06, 2018, 10:26:37 PM »
I think all you say is just a mathematical theory, not a real.
Not even experts know it exactly.
Experts say differently.
Especially, Aerospace researchers don't know much.
Very few experts know exactly how satellite cameras work.

Land is the bottom of the space where we live.
It is not an object like a ball.
It is space, so has no shape.


81
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth has no shape
« on: November 06, 2018, 04:52:17 PM »
I don't know exactly
but I studied the principles of satellite cameras a little.
It seems impossible to shoot the Earth 'at once' with satellite cameras.

82
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth has no shape
« on: November 06, 2018, 05:00:01 AM »
Other pictures are not worth discussing.
Satellite pictures are modified and combined.
It was confirmed by the space research institute.

83
Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth has no shape
« on: November 06, 2018, 02:29:36 AM »
I never said the earth looked round
but said the sea looked round.
The earth is just concept
but the sea is sensible and real.


84
Flat Earth Debate / The earth has no shape
« on: November 05, 2018, 10:48:09 PM »
The earth is space, so has no shape.
Only, conceptual earth is round,
sensory earth is flat.

85
Flat Earth Debate / Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« on: November 02, 2018, 12:33:20 AM »
...the calculation was done according to perspective...

If you ever expect to be persuasive with this "side-view perspective" argument, you're going to have to show/explain how you perform your calculations.

I'm on the other flat earth forum as Bobby Shafto, and I and others have expressed our critiques there, but you're over here repeating the same errors. At least the errors we conclude from your presentations and subsequent follow-up. You're not getting OUR point.

If there's a language disconnect, maybe mathematics will bridge the gap.

The first order of business I would ask is for you to explain how you arrive at distance values for the horizon. I've asked before and you said it was complicated and requires experience. So, help me develop that experience. I live on a coast and I can see the horizon from the shoreline, from 30m bluffs, from 120m hills and from 250-500m coastal "mountains." I can use my 20/20 (corrected) "naked eye" vision resolution, my 200mm-equivalent camera telephoto lens and HD resolution, and I'll soon have a decent enough long-tube refractor telescope for terrestrial digiscoping that will allow me even better distance viewing (atmosphere and "waves" permitting.)

I want to learn how you determine the distance to the horizon.

After that, you can show me how you calculate 1m obstacle on that horizon blocks heights beyond that horizon for eye-level at that 1m height. It doesn't make sense to me. If there's an inverse-distance (ID) curve that produces a perceived rising effect of objects that are at eye-level, I'd like to know how that is calculated, and how to calculate a "shadow" or "hidden" area beyond that.

Currently, no model I know incorporates such an "ID curve" factor.  You started out with a good observation of how objects appear to diminish in size not linearly but inversely according to distance. But beyond that, you seem to go off the rails and make leaps of reason that don't make sense, at least not to me. And since you persevere without seeming to address the criticism, I'd like to make sure I'm not missing something that you've discovered in the math(s). So instead of just asserting it, can you show us how it's done? It's okay if it's complicated. If the concept you are trying to convey is to make any headway, you have to do that eventually; because it'll never convince anyone if it's based on the Art and Devices of Zorbakim and we have to take your word for it. You need to show us how it's done.

Feel free to do it here or on the other flat earth society forum. Or via YouTube. That actually might be best. Just let us know when it's posted.
I know what you're talking about.
I'll try to make a video about it some day.
It may not be understandable to explain in words.
So video will be helpful.

86
Flat Earth Debate / Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« on: October 31, 2018, 05:29:39 PM »
You are missing the point.
I drew the picture just for convenience and for visual effect.
But the calculation was done according to perspective.
I wrote it in the video description.


87
Flat Earth Debate / Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« on: October 30, 2018, 08:23:08 AM »
The ideal plane blocks the view.
Then how about the sea with waves?
I hope this video will be helpful.

88
Flat Earth Debate / Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« on: October 26, 2018, 07:21:15 AM »
Imagine a complete flat plane.
The flat plane almost rises up to eye level in the distant.
But there are no obstacles on the flat plane, so it doesn't cover the building.
However, there are many kinds of waves in the sea.
wind wave, swell, tide etc.
These serve as obstacles on the flat sea.
So they can cover the building.

89
Flat Earth Debate / Re: when did the Round Earth model appear in history?
« on: October 22, 2018, 12:21:00 AM »
History is the record of the winner.
That is far from the truth.
No one knows for sure the truth of history.
So I insist on 'a plausible history'.
It is not plausible that some Greeks knew that the earth is round about 2,500 years ago.
Think about that times.
How did they think the Earth is round, farming and fishing?
No one in the world thought the earth is round at that time.
But why did only the Greeks do that?
It is not plausible at all.
Renaissance is not a Renaissance but a naissance.
The round earth was not discovered but invented by mathematicians.





90
Flat Earth Debate / Re: 1m Wave block 100m building
« on: October 19, 2018, 11:25:05 PM »

So the distant object physically becomes smaller.  How does that work?

Today we'll see an example about what appearent size causes:



This is the reason of why we can not see the other side of a small wave, although we are on a high has enough high.

If raniboz stays on a mountain has 1.000 metres high, even so he can not see a ship behind a 1 metre sea wave! We'll do its theoric calculations soon.


In short; This simple geometry is not actually valid.



Sounds you everytime see C object from A object. But this basic geometric knowledge does not work everytime. You can not see the C object everytime from A point, whenever C object far enough the B object blocks it.

Good and easy explanation :)

Pages: 1 2 [3] 4