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##### Flat Earth Q&A / Whoever proof-read your FAQ deserves an award
« on: April 15, 2006, 05:56:32 PM »
Quote from: "EnragedPenguin"
Your bullet is only moving faster than speed of light if measured from a reference frame outside of the earths.

But the point is that it is still doing so. Relative physics are fine at speeds below light speed, but in a world which obeys Einsteins laws, it is impossible to travel faster than light.

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / If The Earth Is Flat...
« on: April 15, 2006, 05:40:43 PM »
Quote from: "Unimportant"
As for the speed of light question, the earth is not traveling at the speed of light. We are way way beyond the speed of light, and accelerating all the time. The only issue in terms of acceleration arises at the barrier point between "lower than the speed of light" and "above the speed of light". Since we're firmly in the "above" zone, the issue of local acceleration isn't an issue.

Do you believe in the physics of Einstein?

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / Whoever proof-read your FAQ deserves an award
« on: April 15, 2006, 05:34:22 PM »
Quote from: "EnragedPenguin"
Quote from: "Chuck Norris"
It's impossible to travel ABOVE the speed of light and yet you say that the Earth is traveling FASTER than the speed of light. How can this be?

No, it says it's impossible to accelerate above the speed of light.

The Earth is travelling at the speed of light.

I fire a bullet into the air.

This bullet is moving away from Earth. Earth itself is already moving at the speed of light.

My bullet is now moving (considerably) faster than the Earth.

Ergo, my bullet has, as such, accelerated beyond the speed of light.

Explain.

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / Why...
« on: April 15, 2006, 05:29:40 PM »
Quote from: "Unimportant"
NEEMAN: I can certainly see what looks like curvature in the top picture. The other two aren't as great, but I can see what you mean.

I think human eyesight might have some kind of "terminal distance", after which things become maybe a little hazy, and eventually seem to disappear alltogether. This likely depends a lot on atmospheric conditions; the common FE theory is that, over a long enough distance, the number of light reflecting particles will eventually increase to such a point that anything beyond a certain distance is obscured.

First of all, those pictures are from a camera. As such, the human eye has nothing to with it.

But, for arguments sake, we'll talk about the naked eye. The degree of observable curvature is affected by height. No matter where you are in the world, as long as you are at the same height, the degree of curvature remains the same. However, at different heights, the degree of observable curvature is very different. It strikes me as impossible that the affect produced by the human eyes 'terminal distance' would be affected by vertical distance, but not by horizontal distance. Doesn't that seem strange to you?

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / If The Earth Is Flat...
« on: April 15, 2006, 05:17:45 PM »
Quote from: "Unimportant"
What's the alternative? Gravity? Are you claiming to understand the "why" behind that?

No, I can simply provide more tangible evidence and a more reasoned explanation than you can.

We can calculate the movements of objects based on theories of gravity to an incredible degree, through mathematics. From planets to comets to rocks, the movement of all these things can be calculated given the right information. I genuinely doubt anyone on this forum can do so through a theory of dark energy.

Also, if dark energy moves the entire Earth & cosmos upwards at the speed of light, then by that logic, when I throw a ball into the air or fire a bullet into the air, that bullet must be breaking the speed of light, in that it is moving faster upwards than the Earth, which itself is supposedly traveling at the speed of light. That would break the fundamental laws of physics.

And I would still lke someone to explain why there is a discernable curvature of the Earth.

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / Why...
« on: April 15, 2006, 05:07:13 PM »
Views from Sears tower:

http://www2.uic.edu/~msingh9/images/DSCF0254.JPG

Definite curvature.

http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~alexande/pictures/chicago.jpg

And again.

From the CN tower in Canada:

http://www.gerhard-lang.com/vom_cn_tower.JPG

Any horizen image will reveal a curve. It's that simple.

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / Why...
« on: April 15, 2006, 05:01:43 PM »
Quote from: "Unimportant"
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If it was of any significant height it would be possible to see a curve in the horizen. This can be observed by anyone at any time, anywhere, as per my other thread.

I can't recall having noticed this phenomenon recently. Could you perhaps post a picture illustrating your claim?

I will, if you promise not to tell me the pictures are fake, no matter what source it comes from. Because if it is observable, you can, as many seem to do on this site, instantly claim it is a fake picture, and as such forms part of the general conspiracy.

Hell, I'll post them anyway. I just wanted to pre-empt any such claims.

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / If The Earth Is Flat...
« on: April 15, 2006, 04:58:45 PM »
Quote from: "Unimportant"
If by "the rest of the universe" you mean the sun, moon, and cosmos that hang perpetually at a fixed distance a few thousand miles above earth, then yes they are accelerated at the same rate.

I see. And tell me, if we are presumably moving further & further away from the source of this dark energy, and presuming this dark energy does not break the fundamental rules of physics (something I have yet to see mentioned on this site), then why is it that the force it exerts on the cosmos has not lessened over time?

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / Why...
« on: April 15, 2006, 04:55:51 PM »
Quote from: "Unimportant"
Even from the top of a tall building, it looked flat.

What proof do you have that it's round?

If it was of any significant height it would be possible to see a curve in the horizen. This can be observed by anyone at any time, anywhere, as per my other thread.

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / If The Earth Is Flat...
« on: April 15, 2006, 04:52:47 PM »
Quote from: "Unimportant"
Dark enegry exerts force on the "bottom" of the earth, accelerating it upwards at a constant rate so that we don't float away.

I discovered it this morning when I did not float away.

Does the rest of the universe accelerate in tandem?

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / If The Earth Is Flat...
« on: April 15, 2006, 04:35:05 PM »
Quote from: "Isac_Newton"
simply because it isnt there, the earth isnt curved, thats an optical illusion, its flat, like a pancacke

And how exactly can you prove that this curvature is an optical illusion? If the Earth was flat with a curved perimeter, then by remaining at the same height but moving position, the degree of the observable curvature would change.

It does not change. The only possible explanation for this is that the Earth is generally spherical in shape, otherwise, such a perpetual curvature could not exist.

EDIT: Or were you being ironic?

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / If The Earth Is Flat...
« on: April 15, 2006, 04:28:58 PM »
Quote from: "Erasmus"
I've heard this one a lot, and I'm almost certain that it's an untenable claim.

If you're referring to this sort of curve:

then I am so not impressed.  How do you know you're not just looking a disc?  As it turns out, I drew that figure by drawing a circular arc, not by drawing a sphere and putting it through a perspective projection (i.e., what your eyes do).

Simple. If I can go to any point on the Earth and observe a general degree of curvature which is the same in all locations (proportional to height), then yes, I can safely say I am not looking at a disc, as that would be a mathematical & physical impossibility.

If it were a disc, then the degree of curvature would change according to my position. However, this does not happen. The same degree of curvature is observable anywhere, and only changes if you are a a different height. As such, it cannot possibly be a disc.

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / If The Earth Is Flat...
« on: April 15, 2006, 03:56:13 PM »
Would anyone care to answer my question? Just to be clear, I'll post it again:

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From anywhere on the planet, there is a distinct and general curve which is clearly visible. It is even visible at sea, which makes the idea that it is simply a curved geographical feature on a generally flat Earth an obvious fallacy. You yourselves claim that water would fall off the Earth if it were not held back. Thus, water obeys some form of gravity. If this is true, it could not possibly be curved in the fashion which is visible if the Earth was flat. Only in a spherical Earth could this occur.

Can anyone offer an explanation?

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / If The Earth Is Flat...
« on: April 15, 2006, 03:39:02 PM »
Quote from: "Unimportant"
Have you heard of hills?

Can I claim the earth isn't a sphere because the foundation of my house is perfectly level? Surely you realize that every inch of surface area on a sphere has some curvature, so any flat area on earth certainly proves the earth is not a sphere.

I said a visible curvature to the Earth, visible from elevated heights. For example, from the top of a mountain, or an aeroplane. From anywhere on the planet, there is a distinct and general curve which is clearly visible. It is even visible at sea, which makes the idea that it is simply a curved geographical feature on a generally flat Earth an obvious fallacy. You yourselves claim that water would fall off the Earth if it were not held back. Thus, water obeys some form of gravity. If this is true, it could not possibly be curved in the fashion which is visible if the Earth was flat. Only in a spherical Earth could this occur.

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / If The Earth Is Flat...
« on: April 15, 2006, 01:19:36 PM »
Quote from: "Revan"
No, it's still the product of a conspiracy, since everything that contradicts one's belief is false and only there to undermine said belief.

But I can see this curvature with the naked eye, and I can see that curve from anywhere on the Earth. So can you.

Explain.

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##### Flat Earth Q&A / If The Earth Is Flat...
« on: April 15, 2006, 01:16:48 PM »
Why is there a visible curvature to the Earth, both from the ground and form elevated heights?

I've read the FAQ, and it certainly doesn't tackle this. This is a phenomon that anyone can observe first hand, and so is not the product of any supposed conspiracy.

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