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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:39:19 PM »
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Nothing like people who can't accept others with different views.  You got serious control issues.  Please deal with it.  It's really annoying.
I accept and respect your views. They're just wrong. I control nothing and no one, only myself and what i do. Please deal with that, because the assumptions that you make about my personality are very annoying.

Well, it didn't sound like that a minute ago.  You were using swear words.  Not that that's a problem, but since you weren't using it before and then started using it, I figured you were mad.  But since you're not, then no worries.  Everything's cool, right? :D

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:37:41 PM »
It's pathetic to the extreme that you Round Earthers cannot defend your own Globularist belief system, and so you resort to profanity and insults in a debate. You'd be better off keeping those vile indulgences to yourselves.

Yeah, I know, this is so dumb.

This reminds me, I knew this guy who was so frustrated by those fundamentalists.  He said they were always bugging him and trying to get him to convert.  So I delved a little further, because I don't get bothered by them.  Turns out whenever he spotted one on the street, he would go up to them and start getting angry and debate them and all that.  He pursued them.

Same thing here.  These people who think flat earth people are deranged, they purposely come to this site and tell us we are full of it.  It's like walking into a church and telling everyone they believe in the wrong God.

What is it with these people???

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:33:34 PM »
You don't have to trust me.  Just trust yourself and seek out answers.  Don't believe in everything the government tells you.

I don't. Don't trust everything your senses tell you.


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And whatever about staying on topic.  What's the crime of telling someone to back off.  I don't like people who personally attack me.  We have a right to express our beliefs here.

You did more than that, please review your own posts for proof, and perceive the answer.

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IT IS A SITE FOR PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE EARTH IS FLAT.

Do you get it yet?

And this is a forum to discuss and debate that theory, did you get that?

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And I think you need to go into anger management.

What makes you think i'm angry? I hope you didn't rely on your senses for that information.

Oh, I did more than that...right, after being told that I'm idiot, imbecile, etc.  Oh let me guess, you get to spew whatever you want at me but I'm supposed to remain a gentleman.  Why don't you just back off lady.

Yes, and we are debating... but you seem to have a very narrow definition of what counts as debate.  I think the moderators can decide what is and isn't allowed.  Who made you in control of this forum?

So you're not angry?  Cool?  Best friends then? :)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:28:11 PM »
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but according to your initial perceptions there is water, it is only after you change your position do you see the truth, it is the same thing with the planet if your location changes then you see the truth

QFT.

Nothing like idiots hanging themselves with their own words.


Nothing like people who can't accept others with different views.  You got serious control issues.  Please deal with it.  It's really annoying.



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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:26:34 PM »
but according to your initial perceptions there is water, it is only after you change your position do you see the truth, it is the same thing with the planet if your location changes then you see the truth

According to round earth theory, yes... But see, I can't change my location to "see" the earth is round.  I've been to Asia, Europe, etc.  It always looks flat to me.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:24:12 PM »
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Oh really?  So there is a puddle of water on the road that knows when I get to a certain distance to disappear.  Sounds like you got some issues, boy.  I don't believe water can detect my presence and makes itself disappear like that.

I think this statement proves what was said about you being to stupid to understand his statement.


And I think you need to go into anger management.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:23:21 PM »
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I can trust a calculator to do 1 + 1 = 2.  I can verify that.  But when it comes to the number that is supposed to be the height of Everest, how can I verify that?  Tell me.

No no no, you said you can only trust your senses to find the truth, so i can't trust you to verify that for me, sorry. You see how this doesn't work very well? You must be terrified behind the wheel of a car, since well.... a computer spit out all the calculations for crucial parts in that car.

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Why don't you?

I've been on topic the whole thread, you haven't. I was even on topic in that post you quoted, and even this post still. Although, i see you didn't deny my claim that you trust yourself less than machines.

You don't have to trust me.  Just trust yourself and seek out answers.  Don't believe in everything the government tells you.

And whatever about staying on topic.  What's the crime of telling someone to back off.  I don't like people who personally attack me.  We have a right to express our beliefs here.

IT IS A SITE FOR PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THE EARTH IS FLAT.

Do you get it yet?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:20:52 PM »
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No, see, I go up to the mirage on the road and there is no water there.  I can prove it's an illusion.  I wake up from a dream where I was talking to a friend, I ask my friend if we really did talk and he says no.  I can confirm that.  But I can't verify the earth is round, Everest is the tallest, and the speed of light is the fastest.

Really, most of that isn't an illusion. You're just retarded, and you'll never realize it alone.

Oh really?  So there is a puddle of water on the road that knows when I get to a certain distance to disappear.  Sounds like you got some issues, boy.  I don't believe water can detect my presence and makes itself disappear like that.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:16:43 PM »
but you know they are illusions, that would be a contradiction of your perception of the earth because if you trust your senses with regards to the earth why do you not trust your perceptions of these Illusions. the fact that most of the things I believe can be reproduced in everyday life reinforces my beliefs. Now Some of the stuff can be hard to grasp especially in quantum theory.(My favorite being the possibility that you could just fall through the floor at any given time due to our E-Fields Meshing)

No, see, I go up to the mirage on the road and there is no water there.  I can prove it's an illusion.  I wake up from a dream where I was talking to a friend, I ask my friend if we really did talk and he says no.  I can confirm that.  But I can't verify the earth is round, Everest is the tallest, and the speed of light is the fastest.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:14:51 PM »
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You warned?  What, are you giving orders that we're supposed to obey?  And what are you going to do about us posting about flat earth theory?  Last I checked, this website is thteflatearthsociety.org.  What on earth did you expect?

Perhaps you're going to come track us down using your globe (ha!) and beat us up?

Why don't you stay on topic and quit trying to turn people against each other. Nobody ever gave orders to anyone, don't put words in peoples' mouths. He's addressing you, not the entire flat earth theory. He's warning people of fucking imbeciles, such as yourself. Imbeciles that say the earth is flat because that's what i perceive through my senses. How do you know the camera you used to take your picture of beach didn't drop some mumbo jumbo in the image to foil you're measurements? If you shut up and think for a second, you'll realize you trust computers and machines more than you trust yourself.

Why don't you stay on topic?

Edit: Also, I trust the camera because I can confirm that I saw what I took a picture of earlier.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:14:13 PM »
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The argument that my senses can fail me is a valid one.  And yes, it is possible that my senses are deceiving me.  But I would argue the same applies to round earth theorists.  In their case, their "senses" (i.e. formulas, computers) can be deceiving them.  It's a matter of what you believe in more, your senses, or some computer spitting out mumbo jumbo formulas.

No one ever claimed our senses were computers and formulas, you did that. If you're going to sit there and tell me i shouldn't trust a calculator to tell me 1+1=2, you're the one that can't be trusted. Computers spitting out "mumbo jumbo" formulas help save peoples lives, keep your plane in the air, and even help you pass your math test. You need to understand, a person creates these formulas and then tells a computer what the answer is, so the computer can tell me.

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To prove the earth is flat, I did the beach-horizon-take-a-picture-draw-a-straight-line-using-a-ruler test.  I know you guys will say it's just an illusion, but I believe this isn't the case.  I believe computers and mathematical formulas are producing an illusion.

Post the picture, because if the picture isn't wide enough, or the ruler spat out some mumbo jumbo, you might have made a mistake.

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My evidence for a conspiracy is not direct evidence, yes I'll admit that.  It's not like I came across some document that spelled this all out.  But based on the fact that the majority of the world believes in something which I consider to be an illusion and I believe that my senses are not deceiving me, I conclude that there is conspiracy to cover up the truth.  I can't think of another explanation.

This argument is absolutely ridiculous. First, you don't have indirect evidence, you have zero evidence. What you have is a guess, or a hypothesis at best. Because you admit you have no evidence of a conspiracy, you must also admit there is no "truth" to cover up. This is because admittance of absence of evidence is admittance that you don't know the truth. All you have is a psychological perception which you dogmatically believe is correct.

I can trust a calculator to do 1 + 1 = 2.  I can verify that.  But when it comes to the number that is supposed to be the height of Everest, how can I verify that?  Tell me.

And about your last point, I can say that round earth theorists have a psychological perception which they dogmatically believe is correct as well.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:07:36 PM »
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Oh, and now you're gay bashing.  Are you an Anne Coulter fan?

I warned the FE'ers not to bring up anyone's name that they IDOLIZE here to try and disprove the Earth being round, because I can mention other greater physicists' name that had no problem knowing the Earth as a round planet. If you don't like my offensive actions towards the FE idiots, what is it that you're willing to do? Nothing. Just like the FE pussies.

You warned?  What, are you giving orders that we're supposed to obey?  And what are you going to do about us posting about flat earth theory?  Last I checked, this website is theflatearthsociety.org.  What on earth did you expect?

Perhaps you're going to come track us down using your globe (ha!) and beat us up? :P

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:02:01 PM »
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If you don't have time, then stop reading my posts.  No one forced you.  You seem to think the world is here to babysit you and make you happy.  Please go back to your room and do your homework.  It's almost bedtime.

I never intended for a second to read your hilariously idiotic posts. Obviously, I'm here to let others know how full of shit and narrow minded you are, that they should ignore your loneliness of perspective alone. You can go play horse dick ridings with Tom.

Because they can't think for themselves?  What an insult to them.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 08:00:19 PM »
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Rowbotham was well ahead of his time on that issue, too. The light from the full moon does create positive ions in the air, which can affect human and animal behavior.
http://www.policeops.com/full-moon-ion-effect.htm

Hey Tom, you faggot. I told you to stop bringing up that idiot's name again, unless you still want to hear arguments from me regarding Einstein being more superior than your stupid idol Rowbotham. That guy is full of shit, so are you.

Oh, and now you're gay bashing.  Are you an Anne Coulter fan?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 07:58:14 PM »
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And I would say valid illusions in real life would be dreams (no, I don't believe what is happening in my dreams are real), the illusion of water on a hot road, etc.  These are encountered in daily life.  But the earth being round, or Everest being the tallest, or light being the fastest is not something I encounter.

No one has time to hear your whiny opinions. Who cares what you encounter and don't. You are misdirected in this whole thing, and I don't pity you, you dimwit.

If you don't have time, then stop reading my posts.  No one forced you.  You seem to think the world is here to babysit you and make you happy.  Please go back to your room and do your homework.  It's almost bedtime.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 07:55:10 PM »
I can't believe this idiot created a thread with such low arguments in it. Go back to school.

Here comes that dog barking at me again.  All he can do is spit insults at me.  How about learning some manners, boy.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 07:53:58 PM »
The argument that my senses can fail me is a valid one.  And yes, it is possible that my senses are deceiving me.  But I would argue the same applies to round earth theorists.  In their case, their "senses" (i.e. formulas, computers) can be deceiving them.  It's a matter of what you believe in more, your senses, or some computer spitting out mumbo jumbo formulas.

To prove the earth is flat, I did the beach-horizon-take-a-picture-draw-a-straight-line-using-a-ruler test.  I know you guys will say it's just an illusion, but I believe this isn't the case.  I believe computers and mathematical formulas are producing an illusion.

My evidence for a conspiracy is not direct evidence, yes I'll admit that.  It's not like I came across some document that spelled this all out.  But based on the fact that the majority of the world believes in something which I consider to be an illusion and I believe that my senses are not deceiving me, I conclude that there is conspiracy to cover up the truth.  I can't think of another explanation.

Related to your beach test see my earlier post, a further example of how the perception can be false would be in physics: When you are calculating an electric field the charge you are measuring can always be assumed to of infinite size because your "Test Charge" will always be so close that its length will always seem to be infintie with relation to the charge.

And I would say valid illusions in real life would be dreams (no, I don't believe what is happening in my dreams are real), the illusion of water on a hot road, etc.  These are encountered in daily life.  But the earth being round, or Everest being the tallest, or light being the fastest is not something I encounter.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 07:38:03 PM »
The argument that my senses can fail me is a valid one.  And yes, it is possible that my senses are deceiving me.  But I would argue the same applies to round earth theorists.  In their case, their "senses" (i.e. formulas, computers) can be deceiving them.  It's a matter of what you believe in more, your senses, or some computer spitting out mumbo jumbo formulas.

To prove the earth is flat, I did the beach-horizon-take-a-picture-draw-a-straight-line-using-a-ruler test.  I know you guys will say it's just an illusion, but I believe this isn't the case.  I believe computers and mathematical formulas are producing an illusion.

My evidence for a conspiracy is not direct evidence, yes I'll admit that.  It's not like I came across some document that spelled this all out.  But based on the fact that the majority of the world believes in something which I consider to be an illusion and I believe that my senses are not deceiving me, I conclude that there is conspiracy to cover up the truth.  I can't think of another explanation.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 07:21:43 PM »
Well if you only trust your senses then why do you believe that there is an ice wall, or why do you believe that the sun, moon and all the stars are so close and why do you belive that there is no gravity? It sounds to me that you have undergone a bit of brainwashing yourself.

This is the first good question I've ever heard on here by a round earth theorist.  Thank you, I really mean that.  The existence of an ice wall, the distance of sun, moon, and stars, etc, are not set in stone as far as I'm concerned.  Since what has been proposed so far by other flat earth theorists fit into my world view, I more readily accept it.  But I'm open to the idea that this could prove to be false in the future.  Perhaps this is where Tom and I differ.

But still, those fundamental truths that I spoke of earlier are HARD FACT DISCOVERIES.  On this point, I'm sure Tom stands shoulder to shoulder with me.


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 07:08:02 PM »
You are the silliest FEer I've ever seen. Don't say I'm saying that because I can't answer your post. You have no evidence to back up your assumptions. None at all. Even Tom throws the book. You're book-free and evidence-free.

My brain is my book and my senses are my evidence.

So at least you can now see the truth that I am not Tom.  There may be hope for you after all.  It's quite obvious that although Tom and I both believe the earth is flat, we come at it from very different angles.  But we still have more in common with one another than any of you round earth people, because we believe in these fundamental truths:

1. The only way to get to the truth is by relying on your own observations.
2. One of these truths is that the earth is flat.
3. There is a conspiracy to deny your senses and the truths that result from your observations because the government wants to control us.  Round earth theory is part of this conspiracy.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 06:47:23 PM »
We take risks everyday in life.  I just try to keep mine to an absolute minimum.  I go along with the program in as much as I go to work, get a paycheck, etc., but when it comes to believing that the earth is round and Everest is the tallest and the speed of light is the fastest, I question.  None of this directly impacts my life.  Which incidentally is why the government picked these things to distort because they are so far removed from the daily activities of man.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 06:41:17 PM »
The farther away the technology is from me, the less I am a participant and more just the receiver of information, the less I trust the information.  After all, how do I know it is accurate?  There is no way for me to confirm the truthfulness of it.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 06:35:02 PM »
But it's not entirely of the ruler's doing... you have to hold it to the object, keep it still, read the measurement, etc... With a formula or some computer, you just stick in some values and out comes the "truth."  I don't buy it...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 06:29:53 PM »
Whose government? Stop talking about my government!

Your post was, again, very romantic. However, I don't think you really got anywhere with it. Trusting your senses above an instrument that is more accurate is just plain foolhardy. If you trust your senses then how are you sure of a conspiracy? What sensory evidence indicates one? (Not the means for one or the possibility of one, the presence of one - been through that with Tom).

Incidentally I don't really care whether you and Tom are the same person or just as silly as each other, my point stands.

An instrument that is more accurate?  This an assumption you make.  How do you test to make sure an instrument is more accurate than a human being?  And is it even possible for a human being to create an instrument that is more truthful than its creator?

I am sure of a conspiracy because these "truths" that I am told about does not correspond to the reality I live in.  I don't notice any "curvature" when I drive into work in the morning.  I don't sense that the earth is supposedly whirling around on its axis, hurtling through space.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 06:16:21 PM »
It's not foolish to trust others, but as you say it is equally important to conduct your own investigations. Hence my photographic proof of RE thread, which is being ignored right now. Scientists didn't discover anything by writing formulas, they did it by doing science (formulas are involved). This distrust of mathematics is as baseless as your religious devotion to Rowbotham's (now falsified) experiments. Trusting your senses, while a neat romantic concept, can never be the basis of a science. If you trust your senses, you must refuse to believe in atoms, molecules or even viruses and bacteria, as none of these can be perceived by human senses. Trusting your senses entirely might also lead you to believe that police sirens really do increase their pitch as they approach...when does it end?

I don't know this Rowbotham.  You are again confusing me with Tom.  But you are so certain we are one and the same that you no longer question this, along with your belief that the earth is round.

If the basis of science is not about trusting your senses, then what is it based on?  How does one determine the validity of something?

And I love how you said that if one trusts his senses entirely then there is no end to what one can question.  This just says it all.  You pick and choose a belief system so that you can explain everything and feel good about it.  It has nothing to do with the truth.  You want to decrease the level of anxiety you feel.  A world which contains things you cannot explain is too scary for you to live in.  So you hold on to these gobbly gook theories as if for dear life, convinced that this is truth.  After all, what would you do if turned out to be a big lie?  You'd probably freak out and run screaming out of your house.  Because having to trust your own senses and think for yourself is just too freightening a thought.  Easier to just go along with this program that the government has successfully brainwashed you into believing.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 06:04:08 PM »
Exactly, you can't remember.  You just remember the earth was always round.  You just gobbled up whatever was dished out to you at the time.

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Flat Earth Debate / Round Earth Brainwashing
« on: April 26, 2007, 05:58:03 PM »
I have a question for all you round earth theorists...

When was the first time you "learned" that the earth was round?  Did you one day question the shape of the earth and go out and find out on your own?  Or did you turn to mommy and daddy?  Or ask your teachers?  Or did someone else bring it up to you the first time?  And what did you say to them?  Did you agree?  And if you didn't at the time, what happened?  Were you punished for it?

What I'm getting at is all of you guys have been brainwashed since a young age to distrust your senses.  How about the first time you saw "curvature" on the beach?  Did your mom and dad point to the horizon and say, "Look, you can see the curvature!"  I bet they did.  I doubt any kid went running to mommy and daddy saying, "The earth is round!!!!  I saw curvature!!!"

From a very young age, humans have been taught what to see, hear, smell, feel, think.  "Don't trust your senses, it's just an illusion."  "Scientists discovered that the earth is round by writing formulas.  Don't you think it's silly that people used to think the earth is flat?  You never thought that right?  You're not like those foolish people right?"

It's brainwashing, make no mistake about it.  Stop relying on others to tell you what to believe.  Question those who pick and choose their beliefs but stop you from choosing yours.  Learn to pick what is right for you.  Learn to question.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Tides
« on: April 26, 2007, 05:45:26 PM »
Round earth theorists do that all the time.  They just pick whatever theory for their convenience and ignore others.

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Check this out... this doesn't prove that Everest was bombed, but it does show that the region was involved in nuclear tests during the Cold War.

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Hidden deep in the Garwahl Himalayas and protected by a wall of high peaks, is Nanda Devi. Her story is one of childhood dreams, tragic fates and atomic espionage. The mountain has two summits: The main one at 7816m (25,643ft) and the other, Nanda Devi East, at 7434m (24,389ft). The inner circle within the surrounding mountains is the Nanda Devi Sanctuary—an amphitheater seventy miles in circumference and 6000m high (19,685 ft.).

Climbers are not allowed to enter. In this 2 part series, we take a look at why. Yesterday, Shipton and Tilman found a way in the Sanctuary and , two years later, Tilman led the first expedition to the summit of Nanda Devi. Today, the final entry in the series.

Part 2: Nuclear temptations

Nuclear Alarm

During the middle of the Cold War in 1965, the CIA suspected the Chinese military of testing missiles in Tibet and wanted to put a spy device on the summit of a Himalayan peak to keep watch. They considered Everest and Kangchenjunga but decided against them because of the difficult climb with the heavy load. They eventually chose Nanda Devi; it was high, isolated, and a perfect observation peak. To ensure the device’s durability once up there, they used a nuclear-powered core of plutonium-238.

The CIA recruited a group of American and Indian climbers to complete the mission. But even on a CIA expedition, things can go wrong…and things did. During the climb, the team was caught in a storm. The climbers retreated and left their packs in a cache. But when the sky cleared, no one was able to find the cache, including a pack containing a radiation-oozing gadget. In the following months, three top-secret searching expeditions looked for it , but couldn’t find it: A nuclear device was missing on Nanda Devi.

http://www.mounteverest.net/story/NandaDeviTheforbiddenmountain,part2Feb222005.shtml


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::) but you'll never convince me the Earth is flat Tom. It'll take someone with brainpower and proof...

But I think Tom deserves to be listened to with an open mind.  I'm nowhere as wise as he is.  I'm just a little man.  He's studied, he's conducted experiments, he's thought this all through.

And no, I'm not Tom.  I haven't read that book he keeps quoting from.  That's why I stay away from the details.  Tom is better equipped to answer questions about how exactly flat earth theory works.

I wish he'd come back here and continue with his eloquent proofs.  I've learned so much from him already.


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