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Flat Earth Q&A / Why...
« on: April 15, 2006, 07:40:04 PM »
I think you're missing the point, Hiro.

This forum wouldn't exist if someone could plainly prove the shape of the Earth while crushing any hypothetical situation.

Think about it!

« on: April 15, 2006, 07:37:42 PM »
And I do enjoy my Futurama.

Flat Earth Q&A / If The Earth Is Flat...
« on: April 15, 2006, 07:35:40 PM »
I'm not the huge physicist, but something I'm quite missing.  I was under the impression that light was the only thing that could go the speed of light because, well, it is light.

I didn't think you could go the speed of light without being light.

« on: April 15, 2006, 07:28:52 PM »
Actually, Unimportant, I'm afraid I have to decline the 3).

Parents carry the tradition of bringing this to children.  It is simply much more fun to believe that a jolly man runs around and gives presents on Christmas Eve.  Parents may gain nothing or gain the satisfaction of giving something magical to their children.  Or they think like me and simply like to manipulate things :)

I see your point but I didn't quite like the analogy :)

Then again, the government COULD try to be bringing something magical to us...

"The Round Earth came, momma!  The cookies are gone!"

Flat Earth Q&A / stump the round earther!
« on: April 15, 2006, 07:11:39 PM »
Well, I could just say "I'm right and nothing you do or say could convince me otherwise"...

Personally I think its impossible to fully explain the shape of the Earth either way.

But then again, I really don't care what the shape of the Earth is.  I am more interested in the human psyche as that is where most of the world is in.

Flat Earth Q&A / Where is the edge of the earth?
« on: April 14, 2006, 07:28:23 PM »
Quote from: "Joe_Mama"
Oh yes.  I can control the future by telling people that the earth is round.  I am one of the men in black.  You figured me out!

Ask yourself this:  is history tangible?  Is it something that exists as we say a rock exists?  Who writes history?  The victors, the winners, the people who triumph write history.

Though perhaps we can use the Men in Black as a part of the government conspiracy theory :)  Who knows?  Not you, you're mind's wiped!  Excellent idea, Joe_Mama  :lol:

Flat Earth Q&A / Ways of knowing
« on: April 14, 2006, 07:15:03 PM »
Physics and other forms of conventional science are not exactly my strong point so I tend to rely on psychology and sociology on most of these discussions anyways.  I tend to find the human mind vastly more interesting, but I really should up my mathematics and science before I can't even tell what kind of Earth I'm on!

In any case, people are simply conditioned to respond to whatever is thrown at them whether they realize it or not.  While it might not necessarily be "controlled" or a conscious effort on any organization's (or government's :)) part, we are nonetheless subconsciously trained dogs.  This is simply how we absorb our social norms and understand the social mores of our environment and is not really a bad thing so much as it is a good thing.  More or less, its simply a process where a human comes into the world that was made by man and retreating from the instinctive world of "nature" or what we call Earth in its physical form.

Because we do truly live in a man-made world, (there can be no disputing this, we have made our own plane of existance just about; when we look at the bigger picture, we tend to leave ourselves out of it) truth can be a scary word.  We rely on the majority because it calms our nerves, it makes us seem sane, it reassures us that this is this because not only you see it but x, y, and z see it as well.  We live in the man-made world because it has order whereas the mindset of the man-made world is incompatible with nature or the physical world because of how crushing the whole scale of things seem.

I would venture so far as to say that many people have thought through this "shape of the world" on the wrong lane.  We may exist on the planet Earth, but that certainly is not the world we live in.

Flat Earth Q&A / The earth isnt flat
« on: April 14, 2006, 07:47:14 AM »
Even if you were to plot out a course in a straight line "around the world" and end up in the exact same place to the degree latitude and longitude, who's to say that the government didn't get to you first.

Or better yet...

Would you even be able to post here about it?   :lol:

Flat Earth Q&A / Where is the edge of the earth?
« on: April 13, 2006, 10:15:35 PM »
1984's society claimed who controlled the past controlled the future, and who controlled the present controlled the past.

What is being suggested is that such information is intended simply to further engrain the concept of a round Earth in your mind.

You'll need more than a picture that could have been photoshopped to convey the truth behind a round Earth.

Flat Earth Q&A / What about timezones on a flat earth?
« on: April 13, 2006, 09:48:54 PM »
Quote from: "Seizure"
First of all, I'd like to say I do not believe in FE.

Now, they do not literally mean spotlight, as in the metal and glass fixtures you see here. They were using it as a metaphor for how the sun works in an FE model. Don't take thing so literally, it doesn't work like that all the time.

Second of all, there are a few staff members here who do not believe in FE, and they'll admit to this. They simply play Devil's Advocate to promote thinking.[/u]

I rather like this.  I must admit, I did question this place with mockery but more and more did I realize the point here.

And for this reason I shall continue to observe and I shall start to point people in directions to see where they go.  Learning how to learn and learning what to learn are the things many people on here have overlooked; not of their own fault and yet I say this not from a standpoint of superiority.

I believe I mean to say that the actual shape of the Earth is not as relevant as the reasons why people believe it to be one way or the other.

Flat Earth Q&A / Which camp are you in? POLL
« on: April 13, 2006, 09:18:48 PM »
Quote from: "Erasmus"
Quote from: "googleSearch"
And you have a concrete proof that Earth is older than that?

Of course not.  But we have techniques for measuring age -- techniques that produce reproducible results and testable predictions, and are consistent with one another -- that predict the Earth should be much older.

All attacks on radiometric dating that I've heard involve saying, "Well, you don't really *know* that" or "You're just assuming that that constant is really constant."  You're right; we don't know that, and it is just an assumption, but you also don't *know* that the Bible wasn't put together by some juvenile delinquints in the fifth century as a prank, and you're just *assuming* that the basic message hasn't changed over the years, so I guess we're in the same boat.

The difference is that the theories we use have predictive value, whereas the Bible is merely a record of times past.  The other difference is that the theories offer many avenues for measuring the same quantity, and all the measurements agree with one another.

Scientific theories are definitely not "just theories" in the same sense as creationism is "just a theory".


It seems we cannot know the age of the Earth much less than the shape of it.

Perhaps I may stay afterall :)

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