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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: This forum needs an overhaul
« on: July 15, 2018, 02:20:13 PM »
I am serious about a lot of that by the way, it seems to fix a lot of problems and shouldn't be too tricky. It's an idea at least, work does need to be done.

For my last post, I'll plug this.
http://fet.wikia.com

Hey, we need one sooner or later. Not my favourite platform, but good for a wiki, and if you make a wikia account (not under me, I don't get to see any details) you can post or edit if you want. Thanks to my alt for some of the content.

Goodbye!

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Flat Earth General / Re: help me build a complete conspiracy list
« on: July 15, 2018, 01:57:11 PM »
NASA space program
A few administrators, not the whole thing.

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NASA guarding the ice wall
No such thing.

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giant invisible geosynchronous balloons
You mean blue or maybe transparent?

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Airlines
Nope. They fly by landmark.
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Air Force
The fuck?
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Navigation device manufacturers
See airline. GPS just measures your distance from set locations, and drifts as is.

You people always overextend the conspiracy. Just use your head, it really ain't hard to keep half of those things more or less as they are.
https://fet.wikia.com/wiki/Conspiracy

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Flat Earth General / Re: The importance of Critical Thinking
« on: July 15, 2018, 01:53:38 PM »
The OP was worrying about FE science denial getting bad politicians elected. IMO the worry is misplaced, since we do not make up a large constituency of voters anywhere on the plane.

I am worried about science denial getting bad politicians elected. First notice that I've struck the "FE" part and said only "science denial." Do you disagree with my worry about science denial and politics? Let's see if we can find some common ground. If you disregard any of my comments about FE, do we have common ground that science denial has led to some bad politics lately?

What people don't think isn't a problem, it's what they do think. Distrust of science is a good thing, distrust just means they question and verify. Blindly following is the problem, and it's that which leads to the likes of anti-vaxxers. They follow a report on twelve people by a paid-off former doctor religiously.
Your problem is this blatant arrogance, assuming FET is wrong and RET is right, and anyone that questions would come to the conclusion of RET. That just ain't how it is. REers don't question, your way of thinking here demonstrates that. You assume your own accuracy and expect anyone to disagree with you.

FET isn't anti-science, it's anti-dogma. FET tells people that the scientific method isn't to just rote-learn, it's to think for yourself.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moonlight: Dangers & Precautions
« on: July 14, 2018, 05:45:21 PM »
For the love of all that is holy why is this pinned?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: FAQ and search
« on: July 14, 2018, 04:59:36 PM »
List some of the frequently asked questions, then help write up the answers. Stop bitching about moderation and do something productive for a change.
Have been for a while. The only reason you say I only bitch is because you ignore every single suggestion made.

I'll do you one better.
https://fet.wikia.com/
Give me time.

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Suggestions & Concerns / This forum needs an overhaul
« on: July 14, 2018, 04:57:14 PM »
My suggestion
Lock FE General, FE Q&A, FE Debate. Archive them so they are not searched by default (though a user could choose to tick them if he or she so wished).
In their place create new subforums. My suggestions would be:
  • Basic FET - to serve to answer the simple questions like how we stay on the Earth's surface, neutrino experiments, the coriolis effect.
  • FET Defense - to serve as an area for REers to, rather than ask questions, poke holes in existing models. Where energy comes from for UA, etc.
  • RET Defense - see above, but for FEers to post arguments and problems with mainstream RET.

Though these are just suggestions and by no means vital, they serve a more useful purpose than the current. There is some room for interpretation, such as 'ask me anything about ___,' I would suggest classing them by how people are meant to respond. If they're meant to point out flaws in FET, then it goes in FET defense. Meanwhile a challenge like 'Ask me about the moon landing,' from a REer that wants to explain why objections don't hold would go in RET defense as posters would be taking an anti-RET perspective. This way each forum board has a clear, defined, unambiguous purpose. Are people going there to make arguments against FET, or to make arguments against RET?
(The idea behind those names is _ET on defense, but in retrospect that is unclear. Perhaps RE/FE Debate, but that does run the risk of confusion).

Why I suggest this
  • Because I have a forum so I know it's a simple fix. It's easy to create and lock boards, could probably be done in five minutes. The only bit I couldn't do so simply is alter the search function and that's only because I can't access the code. Once you found the code for it, it'd be easy to change it to deselect
  • The search function as is, is unusable. This has been repeatedly pointed out. Doing this will remove all the clutter and mean discussions need only be had once
  • The current forums do not serve their intended purpose. Q&A remains a waste, everything moved out of it, and FE General and Debate are basically interchangeable.
  • Currently there's no way to know what kind of thread you're getting; it is of more interest to a user to know whether they'll even want to argue in a thread or how much they'll need to explain, than whatever nebulous non-description the current categories provide
  • Reunification likely isn't happening, and even if it were the other site has changed its boards, we don't need to try and match.

Related Aids
These aren't required. The above alone would make a huge difference, but these would supplement the change.
  • No penalty for necrobumping. With a working search feature, it will only be helped if old threads can be discussed in, problems added to etc. (Minor, there are flaws as well as advantages, no one wants another unreadable monstrosity like Heiwa's thread)
  • An introductory PM, perhaps sent to all current users upon the change, to inform them of the forum rules and board purposes, along with a recommendation to use the search feature (minor, but easy)
  • Punishment for starting a discussion that had already been had without adding anything new. This demonstrates a user has failed to read the PM or put any effort in, respect should be earned and their immediate lack of courtesy merits punishment. They aren't a user to prize when they act so lazily. (major, otherwise nothing will change)
  • Related to above, deletion/removal of posts that change the topic. This is already meant to be done but it's given a lot of free reign. Move the posts rather than post a warning, maybe merge with a thread if the discussion's being had. (major, keeping a forum with a workable search function is vital)
  • Move posts, not threads. When rules get broken with respect to a thread fitting in a subforum, more often the whole thread is moved. This is ridiculous. Certain posts broke the rules, snip them off

I hope this will actually be read this time.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: FAQ and search
« on: July 14, 2018, 04:36:35 PM »
We've been talking about making the FAQ better for years.
Talking ain't doing. It's been years and there hasn't been the slightest change.

As for search, I'm posting my idea. Again, given mods never listen to any real change, but I live in hope.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Just my two cents
« on: July 14, 2018, 04:34:22 PM »
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We already have a section like that.  It is the Q&A forum,  and we try to keep the permanoob propaganda out.
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Everyone is so focused on defending the way things are that they don't bother to look for better ways.
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FE Q&A is just a mess because everyone gets too passionate to not debate,


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Do you mean like a FAQ or a Wiki?
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Then why don't you flat-earthers fix the existing FAQ and Wiki? Lots of errors and inconsistencies have been pointed out by many FEers and others.
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Too many noobs, whether they've been here for years or for days, asking after the same tedious dull stock points that everyone is sick of. Freshen up the FAQ and/or wiki, hell go ask Jane to write it given she seems to have done more to make an FAQ than any of the actual staff here, have the terms and conditions upon signing up (and if this forum has an introductory PM, that too) link to it, tell noobs to read it, and if someone is not willing to put in that tiniest bit of effort and read the most basic few questions before making demands, warn and ban them.



And then there are just roundies trolling in S&C. No changes, no response, no actual acknowledgement of my post.
The problem isn't with FEers, it's with this site and the inability of the staff to actually do or change anything. How many people have come to S&C now begging for some change, some simple new feature? How often does it even get discussed, let alone implemented?

And I see we've lost more since I was last here. Staff, you must be so proud. The blame for that is squarely on your shoulders.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The importance of Critical Thinking
« on: July 14, 2018, 04:28:36 PM »
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For centuries, the cliche for failure of critical thinking was believing the earth was flat. If someone held a foolish belief, it would be compared with believing the earth was flat.
Apply your vaunted critical thinking to that. No one thinks critically precisely because of that, because in an era where they thought maggots appeared out of thin air some people were scornful of FET and that attitude was passed down from generation to generation. If you submit a scientific paper to a journal, it'd be rejected if the first sentence mentioned evidence the Earth was flat regardless of content.
Critical thinking is important, and it needs to be applied universally, not just to what you already favor.

It is self-righteous and arrogant in the extreme to pretend that only the people who agree with you are capable of critical thinking.

Look at the mainstream. 99% of people you meet on the street couldn't tell you a single FE explanation for, say, gravity, and you expect me to believe they've thought critically about RET and its alternatives? FEers are the ones that know both theories, FEers are the ones that made an informed decision. Roundies meanwhile just went along with what they were taught and what they already believed.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Just my two cents
« on: June 14, 2018, 12:40:04 PM »
Like some kind of fool I actually care about this site. There needs to be a good site for FE discussion and debate somewhere and this seems to be the best bet. At the very least it's active, and isn't run by a tyrant. But as literally every user who tries to debate as a FEer, it is currently unusable.

Instead of brushing that aside, pay attention for once.

This is a major, systemic, long-term problem that has been well-established for quite a while now, and nothing is being done. Nothing has ever been done. A huge swathe of your userbase finds that this site fails at its most basic intended purpose and that apparently isn't considered a flaw worth fixing. I don't even know any more.
But in the vain hope that someone actually is going to read this, like it isn't just going to be ignored like every other attempt to change something about the site, I'd like to list some of the more major things that stand out.

Take the status quo, and shove it
This seems to be a factor. Everyone is so focused on defending the way things are that they don't bother to look for better ways. Take the big three FE forums; they suck. They are not used for their intended purpose in the slightest. FE Q&A is just a mess because everyone gets too passionate to not debate, FE General and FE Debate have basically ended up being the same thing. Sure, the intent behind them is different and fine, but who cares when that isn't what's resulting?

In an ideal world I'd suggets locking them, archiving them and making three subforums. FE Basic to serve as what Q&A is meant to be, for all the noobs to repeat the same stock arguments endlessly. FE Advanced to serve as proper debate, for the more developed and interesting arguments like neutrinos, or things that specifically address specific FE models rather than the generic 'gotcha!' shit that plagues the forum. And third, RE Defense or some such thing, where the flaws in RET can be discussed.
Normally I'd be more hesitant before suggesting a major change like this, except I have my own forum. If your host is remotely competent all that would take maybe five minutes. And it has a better use too; it completely clears out the backlog. Change the search default to not go over the FEG/Q&A/FED forums (though still have them be tickable boxes) and hopefully we will only need to have the same old discussions once. Answers can actually be found more easily then. The search function, yet another feature of the forum that fails in its intended purpose, will work.

More generally though, just look back at the site. There were plenty of discussions about having a formal debate section, a mass PM option, enthusiastic responses... and nothing ever comes from it.
People want change. That is evident. Do something.

Letter and spirit of the law
You have users who dedicate themselves to making this site as hostile and toxic as possible. I'll admit I've dipped into that side more than once when the frustration at putting up with this place gets to be too much, and that's the problem. You have a few basic good behavior rules, that barely get enforced but whatever, and that isn't enough. Punish the users who don't follow the spirit of the rules either, who might toe the line but can lawyer their way around to be technically following them, and who still make the site unpleasant.

This site should not be a chore to use. The fact it is, is the problem.
As I've mentioned before, making this site toxic, maintaining that environment, cripples the moderation team. What's the worst you can do, ban someone? Congrats, you've given them a vacation. Best case scenario you've banned someone who actually cares about the FE debate and was incensed by troublemakers and trolls, worst case you've banned someone that really doesn't give a damn and'll be back to do the same just as soon as it runs out.
You need this site to be enjoyable. That is the only way for the moderation team to have any power. Accept the fact it isn't, you know full well why, pretty much every user of consequence does, and do something about it already.
Banning the users that make this site a chore is not a loss. If someone is unpleasant then they've got to go, even if they can smarm their way onto the right side of the letter of the law.

Ignorance is a problem
This ties into my first point. Too many noobs, whether they've been here for years or for days, asking after the same tedious dull stock points that everyone is sick of. Freshen up the FAQ and/or wiki, hell go ask Jane to write it given she seems to have done more to make an FAQ than any of the actual staff here, have the terms and conditions upon signing up (and if this forum has an introductory PM, that too) link to it, tell noobs to read it, and if someone is not willing to put in that tiniest bit of effort and read the most basic few questions before making demands, warn and ban them. They are not someone to prize the presence of.

I am quite literally begging you at this point. Make this site usable, make it good, don't just ignore the constant requests for improvement that you get.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: New threads from one post wonders
« on: June 14, 2018, 12:05:00 PM »
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It's like you haven't done your research about what my opinion actually is,
It's like nothing I said beyond the single line immediately below the quote was remotely addressed to you, hence the utter lack of second person and the general framing of it as my thoughts.

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its because you don't listen anyway
You're one to talk.

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Except that your version of the "existing explanation" isn't correct.  You said "Because there is a supposed answer to this; heat capacity." and I'm telling you that isn't so.  It's the rate at which heat is transferred.  A mug of water at 80F will feel much cooler than still air at 80F because the water can absorb heat from your body faster than the still air can.  In the same way 80F air moving at 5 ft/sec will feel much cooler than 80F still air because the moving air can transfer heat much faster than still air.
Do you even know what heat capacity is?! If you can't connect the dots from heat capacity to the transfer of heat, you are a fucking moron. THAT IS EXACTLY THE SITUATON I DESCRIBED AND REFUTED IN MY POST. INSTEAD OF ACTING LIKE YOU ARE PROVIDING NEW INFORMATION, HOW ABOUT YOU LEARN TO FUCKING READ?

WHY. DO. I. FUCKING. BOTHER

EVERY TIME>
EVERY FUCKING TIME I come back here and you people LIE TO MY FUCKING FACE

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I don't said that sun is vanish because it's getting smaller and smaller. I said that if the sun goes further it will must getting smaller and smaller. This is how perspective work. But sun is always the same size, which means it is always in the same distance.

No, just that the distance change is relatively negligible while it's visible, even ignoring other factors.

This is why your point centers on the Sun vanishing into the distance. Size change can only be noticed while it is visible. If you're going to repeat stock arguments, at least understand them.

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I stopped reading because I saw your error so early.  It isn't a question of heat capacity.  It's a question of heat transfer rate.  If you have a given delta t (difference in temperature) between a material and your hand, then the material that can transfer heat away from your hand quicker will feel cooler.  It's really that simple.

BTW, did you watch the video?

Then you are a fucking idiot. Are you really so arrogant to believe I wouldn't dare acknowledge the existing explanation?

How about instead of completely ignoring the majority of my post, you actually respond to it?

That goes for the rest of you too. God, why do I even bother?

I'd like to know why you bother also, because you obviously don't understand the physical world.

And you don't understand the concept of answering a simple question, I see.

This is pathetic. I make a straight point, and it gets ignored, lied about, and evaded, and you're just going to chalk it up as a victory regardless despite the fact NO ONE HAS EVEN TRIED TO ANSWER.

You sicken me.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: New threads from one post wonders
« on: June 11, 2018, 11:15:00 AM »
They are pretty quickly and easily dealt with though. I think it's a net positive to allow new folks to post threads and ask whatever question initially brought them here.

You aren't the ones expected to answer it time and time again.

I don't think the proposed solution is great, because all it means is that there'll be five more spam posts before their one post wonder, but something should be done. I'd suggest a revamped FAQ, possibly in line with a wiki, and a caveat in the sign up jargon that it's an offense to post without even trying to see if the answer's in there. Not that they can't question it, but they should at least say what's wrong with the given answer.
Maybe a bit harsh, but I am so bloody sick of all the noobs and for that matter long-term posters getting away with this ridiculousness. Nothing of value is going to be lost if we punish those who don't act like grown-ups and actually expect people to read and learn the basics of what they're on about.

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I stopped reading because I saw your error so early.  It isn't a question of heat capacity.  It's a question of heat transfer rate.  If you have a given delta t (difference in temperature) between a material and your hand, then the material that can transfer heat away from your hand quicker will feel cooler.  It's really that simple.

BTW, did you watch the video?

Then you are a fucking idiot. Are you really so arrogant to believe I wouldn't dare acknowledge the existing explanation?

How about instead of completely ignoring the majority of my post, you actually respond to it?

That goes for the rest of you too. God, why do I even bother?

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The Lounge / Re: The Cooking Thread
« on: June 11, 2018, 11:07:28 AM »
Not Indian, but still.



Garlic chicken piccata, with mash and peas. And technically not piccata because I omitted the capers, but close enough.

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That's been trivially explained for ages. It gets further away, it seems to get closer to the Earth's surface
You said that sun is getting further, not me

If the notion of the Sun being overhead moving until it's on the horizon being referred to as moving 'further away' is genuinely new to you, you are not old enough to be on this site. And that still doesn't make up for you blatantly ignoring the rest of my post in which, if there was somehow any misunderstanding, you would have found clarification.

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You should try being a globe earther. Always giving answers to the same old questions over and over again.
There really is no need to be annoyed at a new member on the forum like that, though yeah, his questions are pretty old.

I'll say this though, that I had yet to hear that the sun vanished due to being a spotlight. It has always been due to perspective or atmosphere or other things from most flat earthers.
I will be annoyed at a lazy self-righteous prick when they repeat the same old nonsense, completely ignore the answer so they can repeat the same old stock rubbish, and then act like it's somehow my fault.
Ditto to you. This isn't a new answer, it just gets buried by roundies who spam the same question over and over until we get sick of repeating ourselves.

Spherical earther
You return me believe in humanity

BTW How this downwards force work? Is seems like "it is because I want that '
Nope, linked in my sig, always has been. Turns out actual scientific explanations take time and I don't particularly feel like typing it all out every time some random guy demands it.

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Time for an experiment. On a sunny day, boil some water, pour it into a mug. Leave it.
Give it a few hours and it will be cold. If you touch it, it will feel cold. But logically it started off warmer than the air around it, and could not end up colder simply by being left to cool. The water is room temperature, according to current scientific theory.
But if you touch it, it will feel cold. Why is that, why would it feel colder than something that should be the same temperature?
Because the senses of "hot" and "cold" are subjective.  Different materials conduct heat at different rates and will therefore feel warmer or cooler depending on that rate.  Metal conducts heat away from your skin faster than wood does, so the metal will feel cooler.  Same with your mug of water and the air.  Water will conduct the heat away from your finger faster than the air does.  Not to mention the fact that you will feel the radiant heat from the sun as warmth as well.



And that's the point the more dishonest posters on this forum are going to stop reading, going to google the mainstream answer and then post that while yelling at me. Ignore them.

Amazing.

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But the sun is going down, not further on the sky. If it goes further, it will be getting smaller and smaller, which it don't.
Instead of being tedious and idiotic with the same old stock responses, how about actually reading what I said?
It does not vanish because it is getting smaller and smaller, it vanishes because it is a spotlight.

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Barely anyone on this site believes in an accelerating Earth, people patrolling Antarctica is nonsense, roundies are the only ones that claim to know the shape of the disc, no one thinks the Sun hides under the sea...

It that because barely anyone on this site is actually a flat earther?

However, the accelerating disc, ice wall, UN/NASA patrols, etc. seem to be common ideas bandied about on YouTube, so itís not surprising a newcomer would think they represent most flat earthers.

As for the sun, it certainly looks like it dips below sea level, which is not exactly well explained by any flat earthers Iíve spoken to.

More often than not youtubers are in it for the ad revenue and merch, cheap publicity and cash rather than the science. Though true, there are far too few FEers on this site because the constant lies and harassment put about by you roundies is fucking exhausting to deal with.

That's been trivially explained for ages. It gets further away, it seems to get closer to the Earth's surface.



Given too that the Sun is a spotlight and only one face is lit, as it gets further away you'd see it 'flatten' against the horizon, thus vanishing bottom-up as it's cut out of view by the unlit side, literally being cut off bottom-up.

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Time for an experiment. On a sunny day, boil some water, pour it into a mug. Leave it.
Give it a few hours and it will be cold. If you touch it, it will feel cold. But logically it started off warmer than the air around it, and could not end up colder simply by being left to cool. The water is room temperature, according to current scientific theory.
But if you touch it, it will feel cold. Why is that, why would it feel colder than something that should be the same temperature?

And that's the point the more dishonest posters on this forum are going to stop reading, going to google the mainstream answer and then post that while yelling at me. Ignore them.
Because there is a supposed answer to this; heat capacity. The problem is that it's nonsense.
The idea is that it is harder to heat up water than it is air, because water being a liquid has many more molecules to heat up. Our bodies, being warmer, lose their heat to try and heat up the water/air and in doing so feel colder because they lose more heat to the water.
The problem is, this is nonsense.

There are a few ways to prove this. The first is a more interesting experiment, for warmer climes. When the natural temperature is around 100F, warmer than body temperature, perform the same experiment. You should have no reason to find the water cool if your body does not need to heat it up.

Otherwise, for the rest of us, there's an easy way to think about this. Water has more heat, that's what those molecules mean. There's a lot more tiny little balls acting to warm you up. Even when they're colder, they have far more energy than the air. That's part of it.
The second part is the most important though, and it's speed. if your body is genuinely losing some of its heat to warm up the water around it, it should not be basically instantaneous upon touching room temperature water. It takes time to lose heat, the difference between water and air should therefore take actual time to notice and make any kind of difference in what you feel.

the real explanation is trivial. Water is not intelligent, when it cools down it does not know how much energy needs to dissipate. If it sends too little, it has to keep cooling. Obviously then, eventually, it will need to send too much; sending the exact amount is so absurdly unlikely as to be impossible.
Now the air will try to warm it again, but the same holds. It sends too much, the water responds by doing the same. And that's just the surface level.
If you left it indefinitely, it would eventually even out, but that's assuming uniform temperature in the environment, which is unlikely.

It's simple, intuitive, the principle observed over and over, with huge implications. It's fundamental to certain FE models too.

And before you hit me with that 'but a thermometer says they're the same,' a thermometer cannot reasonably be expected to give an accurate reading from two separate mediums. A liquid imparts more pressure, thus gives a false reading of higher temperature. And, yes, the pressure can be exerted through the glass, matter isn't 100% rigid and unmoving.

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Gentlemen, let's try to keep things civil.  Brawling has it's place in the lower fora.
You aren't the one that has to put up with being expected to repeat themselves hundreds of fucking times.



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Ok, maybe I just met wrong flat earthians.

Or you've never read anything beyond REers mocking us.

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But if earth is not accelerating, how do you explain, that objects are falling down?
There's a downwards force, ta-da.

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How do you explain sunsets?
The Sun gets far enough away that we cannot see its lit face.

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Why teachers are saying that Earth is round, they can easily verify it.
because that's what they believe, same reason you believe it.
No, they can't easily verify it. They can perform a bunch of experiments which still make perfect sense on a flat earth but there is this fundamental problem with roundies in that you cannot comprehend there being more than one explanation for the same observation.

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Why planes are flying above the sea, while on the flat Earth the shortest way would be completely different?
Source?
As in: actual source, not some random projection of a globe map that a roundie made and that no FEer thinks is accurate.

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Why you don't take a picture of that ring of ice surrounding disc?
Because there isn't one.

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WHy do you roundies always think you're being smart, when all you're doing is repeating the same tired old shit we've heard dozens fo times before? It was stupid then, it was stupid now.

If for once you people could stop spamming the forum and let the multitude of threads where all this was answered stay accessible, maybe you could learn to be honest, but I guess that's never going to happen huh?

Learn a little about FET before you embarass yourself with those ridiculous claims. Barely anyone on this site believes in an accelerating Earth, people patrolling Antarctica is nonsense, roundies are the only ones that claim to know the shape of the disc, no one thinks the Sun hides under the sea, and no one is bribing fucking teachers except apparently your sorry ass because I have no idea how you got through school otherwise.

If you need to completely make things up in order to argue against it, it ain't us that's wrong.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why do they hide the flat earth?
« on: June 11, 2018, 09:19:38 AM »
Hey, I know the basic evidence for flat earth but not the reason behind it. I've seen some people saying it's to do with money but no further explaination...
I was just wondering what is their motive for hiding the flat earth and who is hiding it?

It's not about the Earth being flat, it's about space travel. That is the only bit of evidence round earthers claim points exclusively to RET, because that's just how evidence works. Evidence justifies any theory that can be used to explain it, not just the one they'd prefer.
A photo of a round Earth is all they've got which doesn't point to FET too. And it's fake, dating back to the cold war, it's just a cheap political power play. They claimed they want to space when they didn't, faked in accordance with the mistaken knowledge of the time, and since then it's just been assumed as fact and they've crippled scientific inquiry in consequence.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Formal Debate Section
« on: June 11, 2018, 09:15:46 AM »
If this is going to be attempted, I would suggest a format change. With the quality of discussion on this site, if you try to have a debate over any controversial issue, it will simply end with a shouting match and one person endlessly repeating themselves. I know, I've tried.
I do like the idea of a more formal environment however. In light of that, my pitch is thus:

A topic is decided. The shape of the Earth, for example. The two (perhaps more, though ideally not many) people who have decided to engage in their debate decide on a set of, say, ten questions. What causes the sun to rise and set, why do we stay on the Earth's surface etc. They do engage over that, probably via PM, not on the answers but rather the phrasing of the questions, so that nothing is ambiguous and answers are feasible rather than pages long (for example, if one were to ask me to explain the retrograde motion of the planets, the answer's simple but it would reply on going over a number of other aspects of the model first: if that was a question I would suggest shuffling it towards the end, and adjust the preceding questions so that they gave that build-up, going via the circumpolar motion of the stars, formation of the Earth etc).
Those that are part of this debate then, independently, give their answers. They don't engage with one another, most likely they send their answers to a neutral third party (like Davis, for all the issues people have with him, he's never seemed likely to misrepresent either side). That third party just copy/pastes the signed responses under each question. That then gets put into a post.

The end result would basically be:

1. Why are some cats grey?
Rabinoz: (inserts picture of grey cat) (weird formatting)
Heiwa: because NASA painted them grey
JRowe: (insert whatever you want)

2. Is it Yanni or Laurel?
Rabinoz: Yanni
Heiwa: Steve
JRowe: Yannel

Etc etc. So readers can see how the various sides would answer the question, and judge based on that rather than the natural end of any debate here where nothing gets achieved.

The fundamental problem with a typical debate on this site is that the starting points are unequal. A flat Earther knows both what the RE model is, and the FE model, so they are trying to point out flaws, or point out where RET suffers in comparison. The REer meanwhile does not know the flat Earth model, because RET is all that's taught. That's why all they do is ask how something works, rarely do they ever focus on an existing model, and even when they do their understanding tends to be incomplete.
You can't have a debate when what you need is a classroom.

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The Lounge / Re: Who is this Joe guy?
« on: April 08, 2018, 04:02:22 PM »
Ok, thanks all for your input.

Joe, Lindsey, whoever's reading, no problem. So long as you keep adding things to the conversation, you're welcome, but I don't want my site to be used for recruitment.

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No, Mr JRowe,  In my opinion, and I am allowed to have an opinion, "the underlying mechanism",
is based on assumed, totally unproven properties of aether, for which you have neither physical nor theoretical evidence".
I see you persist in ignoring every word I say.
That is not an opinion. It is a false claim about reality that anyone who would click the link in my sig can quickly see is false. It is not an opinion because whether or not evidence exists is a matter of fact.

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Yes, I have seen your evidence section and I can't find this evidence.
Then you are a fucking idiot.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why?
« on: April 08, 2018, 08:36:08 AM »
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What about balloons that fly really up?
They go up. What's your point?

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And how do they predict weather and do they fake all of these images 24/7:
Weather prediction-fraught with error, follows from Coriolis and pressure flow, both of which are explained and fundamental in DET. Images, simple digital simulation. Set a few rules, watch it go develop.

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Again, where is your evidence to fit that claim?
Common sense, deduced from FET, the evidence for which is linked to in my sig as ever.

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Please can you provide any evidence of these rockets being torn apart?
Consequence of the evidence for FET, linked to which you always lie about. If you are never going to listen to a word I say why do you spam the same questions?

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How does GPS work?  I still have not ever seen an answer to how Google Earth also works nearly perfectly.
GPS just measures how far you are from certain landmarks, in this case stratellites like balloons, helicopters and towers (simulating objects higher up; just mark a point somewhere between the ground and the satellite you claim it comes from, on a straight line connecting all three points). it's not perfect, there's always drift, always error. It just snaps you to the nearest when you travel. There's plenty of error, you just never acknowledge it as anything significant despite the fact it's going to add up. GPS doesn't work by simulating a map, and making you travel around it without any input from the real world, it's constantly gauging your relative location and correcting with respect to those landmarks.

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You know you are making things up so that you don't have to admit you are wrong.  Do you actually think you are fooling people?
And you are making snide remarks and posturing instead of making a point. What does that say about you?

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The Lounge / Who is this Joe guy?
« on: April 08, 2018, 08:29:36 AM »
41317, I know he's on here but haven't seen much, and he's posting on my forum. As much as I welcome everyone, I don't want my forum to be used to suck anyone into a cult and I'm getting a lot of cult vibes from him. Can anyone tell me more about him? Is he harmless, am I wrong, or is he looking for recruits?
If you can let me know anything more about him, please do.

(Leave the RE vs FE squabbling at the door, I don't care if you think he's wrong, I want to know what he's after).

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