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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lack of flat earth images
« on: September 10, 2019, 08:44:38 PM »

Why would I go there and destroy my argument? I will cherry pick what is and is not acceptable to tailor my argument to be as 1 sided as possible.
Holy shit, an honest response.   Abra cadabra I'm now in AR. 

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What is the circumference of the DE disk?
Hate to add to the necro thread but to answer your question since I have not seen JROWE around lately, the DE model at that time had a circumference near the same as the Globe model, so around 25000 miles.  There may have been a bit of a difference but I believe the intent was that the model matched more closely to reality as far as distances.  Many FE models have to stretch and skew continents and oceans  the further South you go.  The DE model tried to address that along with Southern circumpolar star paths.  It got a little weird around the equator with some teleportation like effect going on and the Sun being in the middle between the two discs with a lensing effect to make the sun appear in the sky.  I don't know all of those particulars and he probably made more changes beyond the point at which I was paying attention. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Floating water behind the curve?
« on: August 12, 2019, 12:43:05 PM »
Link 1

There are plenty of videos of people seeing further than Aristotle's ancient sinking ship proof should allow. Inconsistent proofs invalidate the matter. Find real evidence rather than spamming the same old same old.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Down
« on: August 04, 2019, 12:13:01 AM »
So, no logical reasoning for the downwards force we describe as gravity then? 
Im not sure how much more fundamental I can get to discuss the differences between RE and FE without going back to discussing the absolute need for a conspiracy to "hide" the supposed true shape of the Earth. 
Jackblack's and my discussion about how an infinite plane would react to changes in matter concentrations was the only discussion had in this threrad.  I gave you a chance to explain something fundamental.  We need you to start acting like people who actually believe the things you say.  You need to give some logica reasoning, not some smart ass failed gotcha attempt.  If you truely believe the Earth is flat, explain why things fall, what causes that, why down and not up, etc. 
Yes I am trying to get you to explain the fundamentals so I can tear it to shreds like it deserves, but not even trying to defend your assertions does just as much to expose the con that is FE.

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Flat Earth General / Re: An IMPOSSIBLE hoax
« on: August 04, 2019, 12:09:16 AM »
-Satellites in orbit around hub
-Troposcatter Technology
-Solar Powered Drones
-Balloons

I think the simplest answer to How could Direct Satellite TV services work without satellites? is actually that they wouldn't. They use satellites. There's no need to make up a whole bunch of other proposed solutions when we already have one: Satellites.

Take it from a guy who installed those TV Sat dishes in the states.  DirecTV, Dishnet, etc.  Been there done that, spent several years installing them.  I can tell you without a doubt that only way they can work is with a geostationary satellite.  I've trained many installers too.  I found the easiest way to get an installer to pay attention to what they are doing is by making sure they understand the system and how it actually works.  I had them go through blocking the dish from all angles until they killed the signal with nothing but a piece of cardboard a bit smaller than a piece of 8.5X11 paper.  For the smallest size of dishes, the ones that only pull in signals from one satellite, the signal comes in at around 22 degrees of bounce.  This means that at the center of the dish, the signal doesn't come straight in but comes in from above.  Verified this literally hundreds of times.  I am also an engineer, I understand and have worked with signals and know how they propagate.  There are no serious flat Earth notions that can survive without there being some conspiracytm, I don't care how much you whine and fuss.  Simple everyday people do things that rely on a spherical Earth, like your friendly satellite dish installer.  There are many, but this one I have intimate knowledge of.  It is also super easy to get dish settings that are freely available to the public and do a little math to triangulate the source of the signals.  Ill give you a hint, its in geostationary orbit.  Way too high for a balloon, way too high for a dome reflection(the reflection itself has to be a part of the conspiracy since I would love to see how you make a verifiable line of sight signal reflect from a singular point off a dome that covers the customer area.  The signal also can be measured by, anyone, and see the signal strength as you change locations is 100% in line with the globe model, it doesn't work on a pizza.  Meanwhile, FE can't even get a single model that can describe things we see every day that doesn't contradict another model that you use to explain something else. 
And, queue my post being moved.  Can't challenge anyone to stand behind their assertions here, can't say anything that might hurt the feelings of a flat Earther. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Down
« on: July 14, 2019, 01:40:34 PM »
Logical reasoning means nothing huh?  Spend more time answering the questions and less time being smartasses please.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Down
« on: July 14, 2019, 04:26:45 AM »

Gravity doesn't work on a flat plane.  Infinite or not.  Any miniscule difference in density of the crust of an infinite plane would throw off any possibility of stability and thus it would collapse into spheres.  The ground beneath your feet is not infinitely rigid, which is the only thing that would keep it from collapsing if someone simply dug a hole and displaced that excess mass to another spot on the plane.
It doesn't need to be infinitely rigid.
It only needs to be rigid enough to overcome the forces generated by irregularities.

What you are saying is the same as claiming gravity should make a finite Earth into a perfect sphere, or a rotating one into a perfect oblate spheroid.
Perhaps my line of thinking is invalid.  I was gathering with infinite mass a homogenis gravity field would need something infinitely rigid to counter any irregularities.  Basically the entire structure shares the load of all of the force.  I figured that a finite mass under gravity would be able to handle structural irregularities better since it is not trying to counter an infinite amount of force.  Just my line of reasoning, could be wrong, not as wrong as density causes.   

Again, please anyone offering answers give a logical reasoning for your answer, i.e. how and why.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Down
« on: July 12, 2019, 03:08:17 PM »
why is down... down? 
Gravity doesn't work on a flat plane.  Infinite or not.  Any miniscule difference in density of the crust of an infinite plane would throw off any possibility of stability and thus it would collapse into spheres.  The ground beneath your feet is not infinitely rigid, which is the only thing that would keep it from collapsing if someone simply dug a hole and displaced that excess mass to another spot on the plane.  Now you have more mass in one spot and less in another causing an instability which would always lead to a collapse.  Gravity measurements around the globe show differences in G due to altitude and density of mass underneath you.  With an infinite plane you need to have the mass of ground very evenly distributed to spread out the force of G to keep it stabile. 
Since I can easily move dirt and rocks out of a hole with current technology this proves the ground is not infinitely rigid and an infinite plane could not withstand any concentration of mass. 
Again, for a flat Earth that doesn't destroy itself, what is down?  Why do things fall... down? 
Also, I did request a logical reasoning for your answer, you failed.

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Flat Earth Debate / Down
« on: July 12, 2019, 09:51:31 AM »
What makes things fall down?
What is down? 

Explain the reasoning logically please.


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Emergency Plane Landings
« on: July 11, 2019, 02:55:17 PM »
As usual misattributung things, i.e. bald face lying, to claim support for their own misconceptions.  If I had to guess, I would say maybe 5 to 10 percent of current flight paths could be made to work on a flat Earth, hence the reason for the claims that pilots know but follow orders to hide the supposed true shape of the Earth.  Not one one way flight to or from Australia to South America has ever emergency landed in Alaska.  Pure, unadulterated lies yet again. 
Perhaps there is a FE map we could plot existing flight paths on so we could discuss if the pilots are in in the conspiracy?  I still, after a few years now, await a single map that fits all FE claims.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Videos
« on: July 11, 2019, 12:26:37 PM »
Found another Professor dave.  Pretty good. 


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So what? I thought that YOU were the one who claimed to be able to think things through logically.
The pressure in a Sprite can increases considerably when is heated:
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what is the average pressure in a 12 oz. soda can?
To give you a quick example, let's say that the soda was carbonated to 3.0 volumes of CO2 and it has been sitting in your refrigerator so it's around 40 degrees F. 
The pressure inside the can will be roughly 17 psig (pounds per square inch, gauge) above atmospheric pressure. 
If you let the can warm up on the counter so its temperature increases to 70 F or so, the pressure inside the can will have increased to about 36 psig.
That's well over twice 14.7 psig above atmospheric pressure just warming a can to room temperature - and you wouldn't want all your cans exploding then!

But, you, yourself, noted that the ISS was kept at 14.7 psia so whether it's toasty warm of freezing cold is quite irrelevant!


Pressure inside a tire bike can up to 130 psi. But that is not against the vacuum.
If we place a tire bike with 130 psi in vacuum it will explode.

Not if it's rated to 150 psi.
Outstanding answer. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Water and spinning ball
« on: June 22, 2019, 06:46:49 PM »
The mentally deficient ramblings of the ones who can't understand centrifugal force and are absolutely stumped by numbers with more than 3 digits is some of the funniest stuff I have seen today.  Centrifugal force is determined by the change in direction, aka tied to the rotations per a unit of time.   The larger the diameter the faster the rotation past a fixed point to maintain the same force.  Too lazy to calculate it, yet will claim false all day long.  So uh how's the stupid denpressure experiments going that we're promised, what 3 years or was it 4 years ago now?  Still nothing?  Thought so.

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What about stand alone accelerometers that are used in development boards like Ardiunos?  Or the rudimentary weight, string and protractor single axis ones we made in college physics 201 lab, that we used to measure a fairly close approximation of the force imparted on the accelerometers during a change in direction of acceleration?  I love some idiotic people who have no clue as to what an accelerometer is are trying to explain that they need location??? services to work.
brilliantly proving that all you have to do is sit back and watch the show and laugh while they languish on Mt. Stupid. 

   

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Undeniable Proof that the earth is round
« on: June 12, 2019, 07:54:18 PM »
It's a mental disorder.  Narrow minded people who flock to conspiracy theories are more likely deny things that highlights how wrong their world view is.  they also are more prone to derail threads or leap into racist or derogatory comments since they simply do not understand the basic details of normal conversations.  Wise/Brotherhood of the Dome is a prime example of this. 
By the way, quite simply, sunset/sunrise is one thing that absolutely does not work on ANY flat earth model.  There is no flat Earth model that can describe what we see in reality, they need multiple "models" to call on to try to hand wave away specific arguments.  Even good old Globebusters somehow got ahold of $20,000 to purchase equipment that just did nothing but disprove all flat Earth models that try to explain the apparent movement of the Sun across the Sky. 


Lets make it easy, provide a model that explains sunsets/sunrises, while explaining the Sun not changing angular size or its speed, and the Southern and Northern circumpolar star paths all at the same time.  It is super simple with a spheroid heliocentric solar system model that we observe as reality.  The fact that you can't do that is undeniable proof that the flat Earth notion is absolutely stupid. 

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Such fail.  I may try to explain how satellite signals work again to show you how stupid this dome studded transmitter idea is, but most of you flat earfers would just scream and poke your fingers in your ears

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Videos
« on: April 27, 2019, 05:39:26 PM »
I intended on this being a discussion on the videos I provided, not a place to just mass post your own videos.  But sticks ng to the subject of a thread has always been tough for sicklypajamas.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Videos
« on: April 27, 2019, 08:21:43 AM »
Ok this video is slightly different.  One of the more vocal Flat Earthers out there is named Nathan Oakley.  He loves to sling insults around quite a bit instead of actually listening or answering questions, quite analogous to the majority of FE people I have interacted with.  Here is a short funny involving him and failing at math.


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Flat Earth General / Re: moon landing
« on: April 26, 2019, 08:41:30 AM »
Most conspiracy theories are due to things like the Dunning Krueger effect.  It is not that the strongest supporters of those conspiracy theories are intentionally misleading others, it is because they do not truly understand the subject yet they honestly think they do.  Some people get stranded on that first peak of overconfidence when they believe that all counter arguments are coming from the conspiracy to mislead them.  They never allow themselves to consider that they are in fact wrong so they dismiss anything that does not fit their own misunderstanding.  The fun thing is that they honestly think the people who hold the opposing viewpoints are the ones dismissing their arguments for that same reasons. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
I honestly believe the moon landing conspiracy theory has some of strongest evidence for motives for the conspiracy there is, yet the rest of the evidence falls way short.  Yes, the motives for faking the moon landings are very plausible, yet the evidence that the landings actually happened is pretty overwhelming.  Yes they had a great reason (motive) to fake it if they couldn't actually do it, i.e. cold war, space race, bragging rights, etc.  But that motive also works for the U.S. spending the money, time, and expertise to actually get there also.  Just one of the many flies in the ointment was that at the time of the landings, the technology was not there to fake the videos that were made.  To this day, even with advanced CGI, we can't really effectively reproduce those videos without being able to spot the fakery.   

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Videos
« on: April 26, 2019, 07:08:35 AM »
Another good video


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Pedantic.  Classic troll tactics.  Claim stupid shit, link to someone else's incorrect garbage, put those trying to correct you on ignore. GD you are not worth my time to insult you further.  Queue change to ignore list and schoolyard level insults.  Not like the small minded ego of the truly idiotic ones could handle mild critiques of there utterances without lashing out.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Disproving the gravity in 30 seconds
« on: March 01, 2019, 07:44:04 PM »
Australia is not real.  No idea need lives South of the equator.  The moon landing was filmed on a Hollywood set.  Obama was a lizard person.  Take your pick.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« on: February 03, 2019, 11:43:19 AM »
Equal and opposite force does not require air pressure.  Thrust is the measure of force that is reactionary to the expelling if expanding gas/explosion wave.  Thinking a rocket produces thrust by pushing on air is understandable but incorrect.
The mass of an object remains the same when the airpressure surrounding it is reduced to near vacuum,  asked for and video evidence provided by a member here plus many others.
 Denpressure is debunked... Again for like the millionth time.  Just because you personally cannot muster the intelligence quotient necessary to grasp basic elementary physics does not mean the ones trying to help you understand it are lying to you.  Get your head out of your assistance please.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« on: February 01, 2019, 02:31:23 PM »
Great!  Now link the conversation on how to test your claims.  Prove you were not lying, then we will proceed.  Also, strong armour...  Hilarious.  I'm STILL waiting, you are STILL blowing smoke.
Test my claims for what?
How about you test your claims against what you think my claims are.

First let's start with this lie... err, claim.
Where have you EVER given me a $1 test for your lunacy?   
Spend a day, a week, a month, a year away and the stupidest flat Earth ideas are still put forth without a single shread of verifiable evidence.  We try to inform you of how to do testing, you complain that it costs money, you don't have time, the makers of the sensors and equipment are in on the conspiracy, etc.  Never once trying to test your own theories, just insulting others for questioning your clearly idiotic statements.  Flat Earth is a mental illness, it has to be.
It's strange that because I provide you with the means to test and it doesn't cost a fortune and in fact costs about a 1 $1 or whatever if the so called scientists have an evacuation chamber.
But guess what?
Nobody wants to do any tests. It all goes quiet and instead people argue against my tests saying they don't prove anything. That is absolute dishonesty, so don't be coming that nonsense.
Then we can move on to denpressure and how a simple vacuum chamber that can reduce the pressure pretty far down yet zero change in weight happens.  That makes your "claims" laughable.  Again, I get it, you need something to make yourself feel more important, you aren't, but I see why you need that. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« on: February 01, 2019, 09:29:12 AM »

Name calling?  I never did that, I said your ideas are garbage, I said you have brain damage,  I said you are not important enough for a conspiracy against you, and I said you are unworhy of conversation with me, but I'm feeling charitable.  Sometimes you must humor idiots or they will allow depression to set in when they are faced with how meaningless they truly are.  I do not wish for you to think about self injury so I will humor you a bit more.  Now, if you need name calling to get you to actually answer the questions then by all means, dunderhead, LINK THE CONVERSATION we supposedly had where you told us if tests we can do that show what you claim.  I could link you plenty of things showing the opposite but I choose not to at this time.  A mildly retarded chimpanzee with a head wound can see that your denpressure utterances are garbage.
This adds nothing to the conversation but thanks for the effort.
So you bald face lied about testing your idiotic notions?  It's ok, you can just run away from your false accusations.  It's pretty much expected that lies are one of the first recourses of people when faced with their own ineptitude.
No lies here, just hard core questioning with a strong armour.
. Great!  Now link the conversation on how to test your claims.  Prove you were not lying, then we will proceed.  Also, strong armour...  Hilarious.  I'm STILL waiting, you are STILL blowing smoke. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« on: February 01, 2019, 08:43:27 AM »

Name calling?  I never did that, I said your ideas are garbage, I said you have brain damage,  I said you are not important enough for a conspiracy against you, and I said you are unworhy of conversation with me, but I'm feeling charitable.  Sometimes you must humor idiots or they will allow depression to set in when they are faced with how meaningless they truly are.  I do not wish for you to think about self injury so I will humor you a bit more.  Now, if you need name calling to get you to actually answer the questions then by all means, dunderhead, LINK THE CONVERSATION we supposedly had where you told us if tests we can do that show what you claim.  I could link you plenty of things showing the opposite but I choose not to at this time.  A mildly retarded chimpanzee with a head wound can see that your denpressure utterances are garbage.
This adds nothing to the conversation but thanks for the effort.
So you bald face lied about testing your idiotic notions?  It's ok, you can just run away from your false accusations.  It's pretty much expected that lies are one of the first recourses of people when faced with their own ineptitude. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« on: February 01, 2019, 05:28:51 AM »
Spend a day, a week, a month, a year away and the stupidest flat Earth ideas are still put forth without a single shread of verifiable evidence.  We try to inform you of how to do testing, you complain that it costs money, you don't have time, the makers of the sensors and equipment are in on the conspiracy, etc.  Never once trying to test your own theories, just insulting others for questioning your clearly idiotic statements.  Flat Earth is a mental illness, it has to be.
It's strange that because I provide you with the means to test and it doesn't cost a fortune and in fact costs about a 1 $1 or whatever if the so called scientists have an evacuation chamber.
But guess what?
Nobody wants to do any tests. It all goes quiet and instead people argue against my tests saying they don't prove anything. That is absolute dishonesty, so don't be coming that nonsense.
Please link the conversation where you told me how to test your idiocy?  Also, you have to test for what you claim, ignore the counter argument, if you say pressure causes things to be pushed down then when pressure is removed from a chamber whatever inside said chamber should reduce in weight.  I seem to remember someone showing you this with a small vacuum chamber, a weight, and a scale.  Your response was to blather about the trueness of the vacuum chamber.  We, as in you and I have not engaged in such discussions as you are an idiot and do not understand testing things.  You are content to wallow in your mental deficiency and continuously claim that anything that highlights said mental damage is nothing more than a conspiracy.  Newsflash, you are not important enough to warrant a conspiracy against you.  Hell this amount of discourse with me is beyond your worth.  Feel blessed I chose to speak to you.
Keep yapping Mr yapper. Name calling will get you a long way in your world with those who actually care what you say. In my world you are stood still, like a statue with movable lips that can give the ambling person like me a small chuckle as I walk past.  ;D
Put some effort in or sit back and wallow in your own tish.
Name calling?  I never did that, I said your ideas are garbage, I said you have brain damage,  I said you are not important enough for a conspiracy against you, and I said you are unworhy of conversation with me, but I'm feeling charitable.  Sometimes you must humor idiots or they will allow depression to set in when they are faced with how meaningless they truly are.  I do not wish for you to think about self injury so I will humor you a bit more.  Now, if you need name calling to get you to actually answer the questions then by all means, dunderhead, LINK THE CONVERSATION we supposedly had where you told us if tests we can do that show what you claim.  I could link you plenty of things showing the opposite but I choose not to at this time.  A mildly retarded chimpanzee with a head wound can see that your denpressure utterances are garbage.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« on: January 31, 2019, 01:48:32 PM »
Spend a day, a week, a month, a year away and the stupidest flat Earth ideas are still put forth without a single shread of verifiable evidence.  We try to inform you of how to do testing, you complain that it costs money, you don't have time, the makers of the sensors and equipment are in on the conspiracy, etc.  Never once trying to test your own theories, just insulting others for questioning your clearly idiotic statements.  Flat Earth is a mental illness, it has to be.
It's strange that because I provide you with the means to test and it doesn't cost a fortune and in fact costs about a 1 $1 or whatever if the so called scientists have an evacuation chamber.
But guess what?
Nobody wants to do any tests. It all goes quiet and instead people argue against my tests saying they don't prove anything. That is absolute dishonesty, so don't be coming that nonsense.
Please link the conversation where you told me how to test your idiocy?  Also, you have to test for what you claim, ignore the counter argument, if you say pressure causes things to be pushed down then when pressure is removed from a chamber whatever inside said chamber should reduce in weight.  I seem to remember someone showing you this with a small vacuum chamber, a weight, and a scale.  Your response was to blather about the trueness of the vacuum chamber.  We, as in you and I have not engaged in such discussions as you are an idiot and do not understand testing things.  You are content to wallow in your mental deficiency and continuously claim that anything that highlights said mental damage is nothing more than a conspiracy.  Newsflash, you are not important enough to warrant a conspiracy against you.  Hell this amount of discourse with me is beyond your worth.  Feel blessed I chose to speak to you.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« on: January 31, 2019, 08:35:40 AM »
Spend a day, a week, a month, a year away and the stupidest flat Earth ideas are still put forth without a single shread of verifiable evidence.  We try to inform you of how to do testing, you complain that it costs money, you don't have time, the makers of the sensors and equipment are in on the conspiracy, etc.  Never once trying to test your own theories, just insulting others for questioning your clearly idiotic statements.  Flat Earth is a mental illness, it has to be.

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