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Flat Earth Q&A / Formation of the sun (and other stars)
« on: February 19, 2007, 11:01:45 AM »

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Flat Earth Q&A / How about mountains?
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:58:27 AM »
It's a very old conspiracy.
Motivation is probably money.

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Flat Earth Q&A / FAQ Flawed!
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:54:44 AM »
Quote from: "MooBs"
Quote from: "FAQ"
Welcome to the Flat Earth Society!


Thanks for taking the time to go through this FAQ. It was created in light of the realization that for someone with a "round-Earth" (RE) background, the FE theory would appear at first glance to have some glaring holes.

Recently we have had many new members joining us and asking the same questions about these holes, so cheesejoff decided to make a FAQ. While the original version was mostly complete, it's a work-in-progress, and we occasionally do make corrections based on inconsistencies that are raised.

I'm just making a sticky out of it so that no one will have an excuse for starting a thread about a topic that's already been discussed and debated to death. It will be updated as necessary.

Disclaimer

The opinions and beliefs expressed in any posts do not necessarily reflect the beliefs of The Flat Earth Society Forums.
The Flat Earth Society Forums' goal is to promote the free discussion of The Flat Earth Theory as well as the free discussion of and debate of any topic of interest to our members that do not contradict Forum Rules.
The views of any individual or organization (including that of the old Flat Earth Society run by Charles K Johnson) are not necessarily shared in whole or in part by The Flat Earth Society Forums. The only person qualified to give the official position of the Forums (if required) is Daniel.
Also please remember that views of the Forum are not necessarily shared by the Forum Staff who come from both sides of The Flat/Sphere Debate and whose sole unifying purpose is to promote a smooth running forum so as to encourage the victory of truth thought free discussion and argument.

Important Links

If you have any questions about, or see anything wrong with the answers in this list you can talk about it here.

For the original work by the man who created the Flat Earth Society over a hundred and fifty years ago, please see Samuel Rowbotham's Earth: Not a Globe.


A list of Flat-Earth sites is available here

All credit for this FAQ goes to cheesejoff and Erasmus as they did almost all of the work.


Terminology

FE (theory/model): Flat Earth (theory/model), a theory which states that the Earth is flat.
FE'er: Flat Earther, someone who believes in the FE theory.

RE (theory/model): Round Earth (theory/model), a theory which states that the Earth is round.
RE'er: Round Earther, someone who believe the RE theory.

General / this forum

Q: "Is this site for real?"

A: This site is real. There are people who seriously believe the Earth is flat. However, there are also people on this site who do not.

Q: "Why do you guys believe the Earth is flat?"

A: Well, it looks that way up close. Also, Samuel Rowbotham et al. performed a variety of experiments over a period of several years that show it must be flat. They are all explained in his book, which is linked at the top of this article.


Government


Q: "Why do the all the world Governments say the Earth is round?"

A: It's a conspiracy

Q: "What about NASA? Don't they have photos to prove that the Earth is round?"

A: NASA is part of the conspiracy too. The photos are faked.

Q: "Why has no-one taken a photo of the Earth that proves it is flat?"

A: The government prevents people from getting close enough to the Ice Wall to take a picture.

Q: "How did NASA create these images with the computer technology available at the time?"

A: Since NASA did not send rockets into space, they instead spent the money on developing advanced computers and imaging software instead

PLEASE NOTE This means that pictures confirming the roundness or flatness of the Earth DO NOT IN THEMSELVES CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF

Q: "What is the motive behind this conspiracy?"

A: The motive is unknown although it is probably money

Q: "If you're not sure about the motive, why do you say there is a conspiracy?"

A: Well it's quite simple really; if the earth is in fact flat, then the governments must be lying when they say it isn't.

Q: "The government could not pull off the conspiracy successfully"

A: Actually, they could.

Q: "How are the world governments organized enough to carry out this conspiracy?"

A: They only appear to be disorganized to make the conspiracy seem implausible.

Q: Why hasn’t this site been shut down by the government?

A: Doing so would prove that the government is hiding something.

Q: No way could the government possibly guard the entire Ice Wall! It would take too many men! Millions of men!

A: Not really. You could do it with a few hundred and some basic equipment.

Q: Why is NASA’s space shuttle runway curved?

A: It was specially constructed by NASA to be so. After all NASA are at the heart of the conspiracy.

The Earth in space


Q: "What is the circumference and diameter of the Earth?"

A: "Circumference: 78225 miles, Diameter: 24,900 miles

Q: "What about the stars, sun and moon and other planets? Are they flat too? What are they made of?"

A: The sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, circle Earth at a height of 3000 miles at its equator, located midway between the North Pole and the ice wall. Each functions similar to a "spotlight," with the sun radiating "hot light," the moon "cold light." As they are spotlights, they only give light out over a certain are which explains why some parts of the Earth are dark when others are light. Their apparent rising and setting are caused by optical illusions.

In the "accelerating upwards" model, the stars, sun and moon are also accelerating upwards.

The stars are about as far as San Francisco is from Boston. (3100 miles)

Q: "Please explain sunrises/sunsets."

A: It's a perspective effect. Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

Q: "Why are other celestial bodies round but not the Earth?"

A: When you look at these celestial bodies, even with a telescope, they're entirely two-dimensional.

Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A1: They don't, satellite signals come from radio towers.

Q: "What's underneath the Earth?" aka "What's on the bottom?" aka "What's on the other side?"

A: This is unknown. Some believe it to be just rocks, others believe the Earth rests on the back of four elephants and a turtle.

Q: "What about gravity?"

A1: The Earth is accelerating upwards at 1g (9.8m/s-2) along with every star, sun and moon in the universe. This produces the same effect as gravity.

A2: Gravity comes from an external source (to be discussed)

Q: "Isn't this version of gravity (A1) flawed? Wouldn't planes/helicopters/paragliders crash into the Earth as the Earth rises up to them?"

A: No. By the same argument, we could ask why planes/helicopters/paragliders don't crash into the Earth as they accelerate down towards them. The reason that planes do not crash is that their wings produce an upthrust which, when the rate of acceleration upwards equals that of gravity's pull downwards, causes them to remain at a constant altitude.

The same thing happens if the Earth is moving up. The plane is accelerating upwards at the same rate as the Earth, which means the distance between them does not change. Therefore, the plane stays at the same height and does not crash.

Q: "Doesn't this mean we'd be traveling faster than the speed of light, which is impossible?"

A: No, here is a detailed explanation.

Q: "If the world was really flat, what would happen if you jump off the disc's edge?"

A: You would enter an inertial reference frame, moving at a constant velocity in the direction the Earth was moving before you jumped. The Earth would continue accelerating upwards past you at a rate of 1g, so it would appear to you that you were falling into space.

Q: "If the Earth was indeed a flat disc, wouldn't the whole planet crunch up into itself and eventually transform into a ball?"

A1: If the Earth generated a gravitational field, yes, it would eventually happen, after a billion years maybe. FE assumes that the Earth does not generate a gravitational field. Also, I'm not sure what FE's stance on the age of the world is, but it's plausible that it's a younger estimation than the RE claim.

A2: There is a counter-mass which pulls the Earth back into a disc shape.

Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull.

Q: Follow-up to previous question: How is it that the Earth does not have a gravitational pull, but stars and the moon do?

A: This argument is a non sequitur. You might as well ask, "How is it that snakes do not have legs, but dogs and cats do?" Snakes are not dogs or cats. The Earth is not a star or the moon. It doesn't follow that each must have exactly the properties of the others, and no more.

Geography

Q: Do you have a map?

A: See this one, created by one of our members. There is also this map attributed to a person named Wilbur Voliva, and another by Heinrich Scherer.
Also, there is Cosmas Indicopleustes' world picture, 6 th century in the Christian Topography.

Q: Exactly what shape is the Earth if it's flat? Square or circle?

A: Circle, like in the UN logo

Q: "Why doesn't water run off the Earth?"

A: There is a vast ice wall that keeps the water where it is. The ice wall is roughly 150ft high. This also explains why you can find a vast plane of ice when you travel south.

Antarctica as a continent does not exist.

Q: "How does global warming affect the ice wall?"

A1: Global warming is melting the ice wall, but the government isn't doing anything because cutting carbon emissions would damage the economy, and they only care about making money.

A2: Global Warming doesn't happen. It and its counter-theory (Global Cooling) are effects that cancel each other out. Remember, these "greenhouse gasses" can reflect heat back out into space as well as keep it on Earth. Yes, there are recorded rises in temperature, but the only records we have go back, at most, around 150 years. This is very likely an occurrence that happens every [x>150] years, that's happened before (perhaps many times), and that the Earth has thus survived before.

Q: "What about tides?"

A: The tides exist due to a slight see-saw effect on the earth. As it goes back and forth, the water rushes to the side that is lower. Note, this is a very slight wobble. Remember, these wobbles are created by very minor earthquakes. They keep the tides in check. Notice that large earthquakes result in large tides or "tsunami".

Q : "Why is the North pole colder than the equator?"

A: The sun circles over the equator, not the North pole

Q: "How do volcanic eruptions happen?"

A: The Earth is thick enough to have a core of molten lava. Once there's too much of it in too confined a space, it finds its way out, just like the water will come out of a full bottle if you squeeze it too hard

Q: "What about time zones?"

A: The sun is a spotlight which shines light on a concentrated area, so not everywhere on Earth will be lit at once. Times zones exist so that everyone's clock will be at 12:00 around the time the sun is approximately directly overhead.

Q: "What about Lunar Eclipses"

(Possible A) The moon isn't a spotlight; it glows with light from the sun, reflected off the Earth. Different parts of the Earth are more reflective than others (the seas, the polar cap, the ice wall, for example). Sometimes, the position of the sun (which is a spotlight) means that only very low-reflective or non-reflective parts of the Earth's surface are illuminated, so the moon is abnormally dark. This could potentially explain lunar phases as well.

Q: "How come the travel time by air from South America to New Zealand, via the polar route, is SHORTER than the travel time going North first and then South again?"

A: (Presumed answer: The airline pilots are misled by their GPS, or are deliberately conspiring to make it appear that the flights take different times)

Q: "When traveling in a straight direction, you will always reach the same point on the globe from where you started. How can this happen if the world is flat?"

A: You need to have evidence for this to be true. Also, define "straight." Remember, the northern point on the compass is, under most circumstances (unless near the centre or deep in the ice wall), pointing toward the centre of the Earth. Therefore, if you follow your compass due east or due west, ending up at the same point you started from, you've just gone around the world in a circle.

Q: If you go directly south won’t you eventually fall off the edge of the Earth?

A: Yes, you will. In order to use this fact as proof you need to record a video of someone flying directly south around the world without falling off the edge. Furthermore you need to prove that your navigational equipment allows you to travel directly south without deviating.

Q: How come when I flush my toilet in the northern hemisphere it goes counterclockwise but I have this friend in Australia and when he flushes it goes clockwise?

You're mistaken. On a round Earth, the Coriolis effect adds at most one (counter)clockwise rotation per day; fewer as you get closer to the equator. The water in your toilet/sink/bathtub/funnel spins much faster than that (probably at least once per minute, or 1440 times per day) so the additional/lost rotation from the Coriolis effect wouldn't be noticed.


I would like the FEers to prove every single claim made in this FAQ please.

Disprove them first.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How about mountains?
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:52:24 AM »
Quote from: "eVOLVE"
ok aside from teachers teaching you about how far away the sun is and all of that, how about the thousands of astronomers that are out their with all of their information, any one of these that is respected in their field will tell you the sun is not 3000miles away or 32miles wide. School is just an example, no need to go all off topic.

It's a conspiracy.
Read the FAQ.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How about mountains?
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:51:37 AM »
Quote from: "EiZ"
Ban?


Regards,

David F.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Formation of the sun (and other stars)
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:45:29 AM »
Quote from: "mh70450"
Haha, yes i can, here you go. straight from my telescope a week ago. changed from black and white into color, just for you.


the black lines indicate the presence of mainly hyrdogen, helium and various other elements that in total account for about 1%.


The fact of the matter is that the spectrum of the sun really had very little to do with the argument of my post, even if though you have never taken a spectrum of the sun, how do you explain the massive size the sun must be to create fusion?

How come there's fusion in china?
And that island we blew the fuck up?

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Flat Earth Q&A / How about mountains?
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:44:03 AM »
Quote from: "EiZ"
Quote from: "NarmaK"
If humans come from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys?
LOL!
Bullshit!

Well humans don't come from 'monkeys' per se, however we share a common ancestor.

It is a common misconception that we are direct descendants of some apes - we are not. We split from them further up the 'family tree'.

Of course, evolution is a theory and I don't express it as fact, so this is simply my opinion.

Regards,

David F.

PEOPLE AIN'T TREES
SHUT UP!

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Flat Earth Q&A / Formation of the sun (and other stars)
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:42:10 AM »
Burden of proof is on you.
Go to science school, then come back and win arguments on a forum.

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Flat Earth Q&A / FAQ Flawed!
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:41:08 AM »
You can't disprove the FAQ.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How about mountains?
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:40:13 AM »
If humans come from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys?
LOL!
Bullshit!

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Flat Earth Q&A / How about mountains?
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:39:20 AM »
School.
LOL

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Flat Earth Q&A / How about mountains?
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:37:44 AM »
Quote from: "Josh_345"
This is so stupid, I mean why would people want to belive in this? You guys have a desire to feel special? I mean come on. :|

If the earth is round then the bible is bullshit, and I for one want to go to jesuslandia when I get gunned down by the police.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Daylight Question
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:35:54 AM »
At least our keyboards have shift keys on them.
Bitch.

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Flat Earth Q&A / How about mountains?
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:34:59 AM »
Quote from: "eVOLVE"
no....if the sun has a temperature of 5785K, then the ammount of heat radiating from it is insane, which we all know because the sun can heat the earth up from a comfortable distance of 92.95×10^6 miles away. so if you take the ammount of heat the sun radiates and put that 3000 miles away not only is it retarded for snow to be on mountains it would be retarded for any to not be burning alive on earth

You can't prove any of that.
The sun is just a spotlight, but it shines magic.
Magic can do anything.
Just ask jesus.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Daylight Question
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:33:04 AM »
Quote from: "BluPlague"
Hello?

THE BIBLE

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Flat Earth Q&A / FEers jobs
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:31:58 AM »
Quote from: "MooBs"
Im an astronaut

Cool.
I'm a cosmonaut.
SHRPEKORSKI ZINA UKRAINIANZ!?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How about mountains?
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:26:05 AM »
Quote from: "eVOLVE"
So the FAQ it says the sun and moon are 3000 miles above earth...... how do you explain somthing like mount everest which is about 5.49 miles high wouldnt the sun pass through this and burn it down? Also give me a real answer instead of your usual childish response's that result in flames and no real explanations.

5.49 is less than 3000.
WHAT THE FLUCK!?

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Flat Earth Q&A / FEers jobs
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:21:39 AM »
Quote from: "EiZ"
I'm flattered that you think my credentials are worthy of fabrication.

I genuinely am!

Thanks,

David F.

David is a gay person's name.

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Flat Earth Q&A / FEers jobs
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:17:27 AM »
Fuck you!
That's what.

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Flat Earth Q&A / FEers jobs
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:12:57 AM »
Quote from: "EiZ"
A reputable university, for reasons of anonymity I won't say which.

I also won't say where I work, for the same reasons.

Regards,

David F.

Liahr!

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Flat Earth Q&A / What will it take?
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:11:10 AM »
Get the fuck outa my thread!

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Flat Earth Q&A / FE using RE Map Model?
« on: February 19, 2007, 10:09:12 AM »
Quote from: "EvilToothpaste"
Quote from: "NarmaK"
You mean a vertical arch?

No, he means straight line.  We're talking about the FE.  

I think you would not be able to know if you were truly going in a straight line due to error propagation.  Besides, these explorers probably used compass or sextants, which both reference the poles.

The magical poles that move, right?

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Flat Earth Q&A / FE magnetic field
« on: February 19, 2007, 08:20:28 AM »

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Flat Earth Q&A / FE magnetic field
« on: February 19, 2007, 08:15:37 AM »
Quote from: "EvilToothpaste"
Quote from: "MooBs"
Proof that the Earth is flat? Thanks.

You don't know what punctuation means, do you?

AVOIDING THE TOPIC, AVOIDING THE TOPIC, ALERT!, DOUCHE BAG, ALERT!

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Flat Earth Q&A / FE magnetic field
« on: February 19, 2007, 08:13:44 AM »
Quote from: "MooBs"
Quote from: "EvilToothpaste"
Quote from: "Quarrior"
The South end gets wider and wider, which is not what we observe, so Eramus theory is obviously false

Proof?


Proof that the Earth is flat? Thanks.

Look out your window, but squint alot, and be drunk.

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Flat Earth Q&A / FE using RE Map Model?
« on: February 19, 2007, 08:12:59 AM »
You mean a vertical arch?

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Flat Earth Q&A / What will it take?
« on: February 19, 2007, 08:10:11 AM »
I'll believe the earth is flat when this magical atmospheric dismorfanatitation horizon effect can be explained and reproduced.

What will it take for you to believe the earth is round?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Still not explained by non-magic!
« on: February 19, 2007, 08:02:39 AM »
Quote from: "Courthead"
This thread is proof that EiZ and Tom are joking.

No.
Tom believes.
Tom read a book once, and it quoted einstein, so he is a true believer.

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Flat Earth Q&A / 2 Questions That Seem to Disprove the Flat Earth
« on: February 19, 2007, 08:01:06 AM »
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Quote from: "Courthead"

Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Circumnavigation is entirely possible on the FE.  But you would all know this if you had read the FAQ.

I've read the FAQ and remember nothing about circumnavigation being possible.

The earth is a disk, with the North* pole at the center.  So you simply go around the center in a big circle.

I'm lazy.
Demonstrate please, by photoshopping this:

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Flat Earth Q&A / 2 Questions That Seem to Disprove the Flat Earth
« on: February 19, 2007, 07:56:51 AM »
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Quote from: "NarmaK"

I believe that slowly pulling to the left would be noticeable by commercial airline pilots.

Nope.  It's called spacial disorientation.  It has been the demise of many pilots.

You are full of shit.
You are a bag full of shit.
A very fucking large bag of shit.

Also, I fly alot.
Who keeps hypnotizing me, and millions of others 100% of the time?
Is it jesus?
Why would jesus do that?

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