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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: April 09, 2006, 07:41:17 AM »

Of course, it may also be shaped like a banana, but there's really no need to give anyone unnecessary ideas for a new website.

Hah! Hadn't seen that one before Cheese posted it; got almost as good a laugh out of that as when I'd heard it on Monty Python.  It makes about as much sense as the RE theory, but eh, it's fun to think about.

--Chal

Hahahahahahahahahaaaaa...........ha.............haha..................ha...........

What Python sketch was that?


L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: April 06, 2006, 07:43:43 PM »

I only wish I had more than a Kansas farmboy's understanding of it.

I'm from a small town in Kansas.  Not all of us are completely ignorant.  In fact, my best friend is really smart and is at West Point as we speak.

Ok, point taken. I am happy to change it to "Latvian farmboy." I do this with no ill intent toward any Latvians with really smart friends.


L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: April 06, 2006, 09:52:49 AM »

Gentlemen.....yes, that's right, I'm referring to Erasmus and cheesejoff.

It wasn't my intention to throw Schroeder's cat amongst the pigeons, but now that he's out of his box and clearly alive, it seems that I may have inadvertently stumbled upon a remarkable, albeit quite silly, approach to this dilemma. What I'm getting from you learned folk is that if we all agree to not look at the earth simultaneously, there's a bloody good chance that it is round. Of course, it may also be shaped like a banana, but there's really no need to give anyone unnecessary ideas for a new website.

Alternatively, if everyone else looks away or closes their eyes, and only I look out the window, the old girl suddenly becomes flat, Like A Pancake. Yes, what? Oh, sorry, I thought somebody called my name....

So, therefore, the same might be said for the Ice Wall. If we were all to simultaneously look at the Ice Wall, it would collapse down onto the "one." I know for sure that I don't want to be the "one" whom the Ice Wall collapses on, so I'm suggesting that it might be best if none of us ever look at the Ice Wall. Under these conditions, the Ice Wall would then assume it's status as waves of possibility, and won't ever collapse. Waves of Ice that don't ever collapse. Is that not the most beautiful and poetic description of the Ice Wall you've ever heard?

Thank goodness for Quantum Physics. It is helping to make so many things clearer. I only wish I had more than a Kansas farmboy's understanding of it.  

Regards, L.A.P.

(P.S. I'm not a Kansas farmboy, that was more poetic license.....)

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: April 06, 2006, 09:31:59 AM »

"banana-shaped"
-Erasmus

Mmmm...banana shaped.......now there's food for thought......


L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: April 04, 2006, 05:17:09 AM »

Damn...if believing in the round earth theory causes as much stress as it has for some of the posters on the previous page, I'm sticking with my flat earth brethren. Its a shame, because there's been some very thought provoking and well considered arguments presented here by Roundies, and I was right on the verge of converting. Next thing, some Roundie is bringing Jesus Christ into it and throwing around profanity like its going out of fashion. Frankly, I can do without that.

The thing that impresses me the most is when Roundies leave room for Flatties to have their beliefs, and will not accept illogical or poorly considered so-called evidence that the Earth is round. Conversely, I have noticed that the more tranquil and composed Roundies will in fact remind the radical fundamentalists Roundies of various Flattie arguments pertaining to the nature of the Ice Wall and other flat earth beliefs. It is this open minded and extraordinarily tolerant approach which leads me towards the brink of conversion. Such a shame that a few extremists spoil things for the rest.

As it stands, my recent see-sawing between these diametrically opposed views has lead to the emergence of a possible new "third" theory which incorporates elements of quantum physics to this conundrum. In brief, my theory is this. When we are looking at the earth, it is flat. When we are not looking, it manifests as a wave of potential superpositions, one of which could most certainly be that it is round. Of course, I would have to also include the possibility that it is shaped like a hovercraft, but my intention here is not to confuse. I am simply attempting to accomodate both sides of this argument whilst applying the findings at the very frontiers of scientific thought.

Take your time, mull it over, respond if you wish. In the meantime, well done to the open minded Roundies (you know who you are) and to those reactionary, self important, intolerant, fundamentalist, extremist, Fascist Roundies, go fuck yourselves..... Krishna!

Regards, L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: March 22, 2006, 08:32:29 PM »

...that would be one poor quality photo.

It's low res, sure, but at least he got dressed up for it.

So non-existent beings can imagine things. Pray tell, how do you know this if you have never met a non-existent being? Unless you claim to have met some? Have you met Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy?

It just feels right to me. Like Erasmus' intuition regarding contradictions.

I did meet Santa when I was very young, in fact I sat on his lap and had a photo taken with him. I wish I still had that photo as proof. And I can recall asking him if he thought it was going to be feasible to get a new bike for Christmas, and I remember, as if it were yesterday, him saying "I imagine so." So there it is. He did have an imagination.

But nobody's ever met the Tooth Fairy, that would be ridiculous.

Of course, Timmy does not "not exist" in the same way the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist, although their potential for imaginative thought is very similar. Have you noticed that Timmy has been very quiet since I outed him for not existing? He will give the illusion of returning, but I would advise all and sundry not to trust a word he says.

L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: March 20, 2006, 09:41:52 PM »

Firstly I would like to thank Dr Bill for finally putting this whole matter to rest once and for all. It's all there! A small section of the Ice Wall, looking resplendent (and certainly appearing to be made of ice), Bigfoot looking a little out of place (they don't normally venture that close to the edge) and an ostrich of unknown hue, probably turquoise. I don't think you would find National Geographic going to the trouble of setting up an Ice Wall Cam if there was no wall to point their cam at. The fact that the images are sponsored by two such reputable sponsors as The United Nations and NASA (who are clearly trying to put all of that messy Moon business behind them) pretty much clinches it.

Now that we've established the existence of the Ice Wall, we can get on to the more pressing matter of the non-existence of Tim the Enchanter.

So, why does he have to prove his existence, before you'll be willing to debate with him about the nature of the Ice Wall?  Do you feel that the nature of the Ice Wall depends on whether or not Tim the Enchanter exists?

Well, in the light of Dr Bill's groundbreaking evidence, it is questionable if it even matters whether or not this thing called "Tim" exists. However, since you have raised the question intelligently and respectfully, along with the fact that you have proven your own existence by presenting a photo of yourself as your avatar, I will agree to continue this debate.

For the sake of the argument, I shall refer to him as "Timmy," and I would like you to think of him as being similar to a small child's imaginary friend. In fact, I believe that to some extent Timmy IS a small chilld's imaginary friend. So, this Timmy thinks he exists, because in his formless state, he hears the small child saying things like "Don't sit there Mom, Timmy's sitting there," or "Mom, Timmy wants some dinner too." After some time passes, Timmy starts to believe that he actually exists outside of the imagination of aforementioned small child. Of course, he cannot really think nor hear, so in fact, he is a non entity imagining that he is an imaginary friend. Even the small child is a figment of his imagination. Therefore he is imagining that he is an imaginary friend of an imaginary small child. Now, why the fuck would I want to argue with some-non-one like that?

Assuming he doesn't exist, how would that make his argument any less valid?  (Maybe it's invalid for other reasons, but they're not interesting in this context.)  I assert that you believe that at the very least his posts exist, since you quoted them in your reply.

You may well assert and assume, but the fact is, there is no Timmy. I believe that uncaused causes are rampant throughout the universe and  that coherent, human-scale events (such as several paragraphs of readable text) regularly occur for no reason, i.e., completely at random. I call this the "Timmy Phenomenon" and I cite the case of Timmy as proof.

Do you also believe that uncaused causes are rampant throughout are universe?  That is, do you believe that coherent, human-scale events (such as several paragraphs of readable text) regularly occur for no reason, i.e., completely at random?  If you do believe this, then I suppose nobody can dissuade you of your belief in the Ice Wall, though I suppose we could have a separate line of discussion about this particular belief.

I believe I have already answered this....

I don't guarantee that Tim is a *person*

I think that would be wise.

To summarize:
1)  Why is it important to you that Tim prove his existence?
2)  You ought to argue against the claim "The Ice Wall does not exist," even if you do not believe that a person made that claim.

1)Honestly, its not important that Timmy proves his existence, except to himself. I just wanted to humour the non-entity who was imagining himself to be an imaginary small child's imaginary friend. Surely you can understand that this was in fact an act of compassion, sent out without discrimination against the non-existent. I'm just trying to do what I believe to be right here.
2)In light of the new evidence, there is no further need to argue against the imaginary ramblings of the non-existent. We should all just look at the photos, enjoy them, and have a little rest.

L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: March 20, 2006, 09:05:05 AM »

Sorry to rain on your parade Commie Pinko Rastafarian Neocon Science-Boy Roundies boy, but i only refer to the 'ice wall' as 'ice wall' because thats what it is referred to as. If I said the 'Wall', the sharper ones out there would point otut that the world is full of walls, like the one between your brain and your gob, or fingers if u like, you flattie. If you want to attack my question, hows bout attacking it with some proof instead of cheap shots like all the other  FE's on this site...

A wall between my fingers and my gob? But then I wouldn't be able to eat...?

You can't rain on my parade, oh he who some call "Tim," because you don't exist. All you are is a series of words on my computer screen, and you are of little consequence other than to offer some mild amusement. The fact that you even take yourself seriously is enough to make me go...."ha."

If I wanted to attack your argument, I would say that since you don't actually exist that your argument should be struck from the record and not used as evidence of anything, ever. I would continue to take cheap shots, saving the really expensive shots for something worthy, like arguing with my ten year old son. At least he exists and isn't just a bunch of letters on a screen. The audacity!

Proof, proof, proof, blah, blah, blah....why don't you Roundies just take those corks out of yer butts and relax. "Proof of this, evidence of that, there is no Ice Wall, maybe its made of cheese." Whatever. Prove that you exist first, mate. And don't go all Descartes on me. According to that fool, if you stop thinking for a moment, you cease to be. What an idiot.

"Prove" beyond all doubt that you exist, and then we'll get onto the Ice Wall. And don't bother trying to fool me with the old "I know I exist" or "who do you think is writing this" argument, everyone knows that I have said them here first and therefore have exclusive rights to them. Anyone else using those arguments would represent a clear cut case of plagiarism, and would "prove" beyond any doubt that they are an unimaginative loser with absolutely no sense of humour, if they were to exist.

L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: March 19, 2006, 09:05:01 PM »

Well first off LikeAPancake your logic twisting an interseting philosophical view of existence was in entertaining read. I should have laerned by now not to get drawn into these types of arguments but what the hell.

That's the spirit!

Some people refer to NEw York as the BIg Apple when while big it is not in fact an apple (I know I've been in New York and have cut open an appple the insides look nothing alike, even under a microscope).

How the hell did you look at the insides of New York under a microscope? Man, that's one big ass microscope you got there. That's more like a macroscope!

(Reality being defined as the objective external universe outside the human mind.)

Quantum physicists worldwide are shuddering at this antiquated definition of reality.

The Ice Wall as an ideal clearly exists

If it is clear, it exists, and it is ideal, then it's probably made of ice....

The ostriches are only naturally turquoise some are purple since they can shapeshift and get bored of turquoise.

I don't have a problem with that. Chameleon shapeshifting conspiratorial ostriches are just as vulnerable to boredom as any of us posting on this forum.

Thank you for playing and good luck getting that sticky caps lock button fixed.

Kind Regards, L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: March 19, 2006, 10:40:58 AM »

The fact that it is made of ice was a detail thrown in there for no logical reason.

So now you're saying that its a fact that it is made of ice?

Where's your proof?

':P'

L.A.P.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / I think, therefore I am...

« on: March 15, 2006, 11:43:59 AM »

Descartes was misquoted.

He actually said "I'm pink, therefore I'm Spam"

He would have caused a lot less trouble had he just said "I think, therefore I think."

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: March 15, 2006, 11:00:45 AM »

Anyway, the turquoise ostriches are not made up, they're the ones behind the conspiracy. They shapeshift into world leaders to tell people the Earth is round

i really hope you were not being serious!

Damn straight! How dare you question cheesejoff?! He's the only one here so far who has taken the time out to humour me and furnish me with answers which may ultimately alter the course of my destiny! If he says that the turquoise ostriches are behind the conspiracy and that they shapeshift into world leaders to tell people the Earth is round, well then the turquoise ostriches are behind the conspiracy and they shapeshift into world leaders to tell people the Earth is round!

You got a problem with that? Well, have ya?

Don't worry cheesejoff, I'll stick up for you buddy.

God..... What would you know.....?


L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: March 15, 2006, 10:44:21 AM »

The reason it is referred to as the "Ice Wall" is that it is believed to be made of ice.

Yeah, ok, I'm with you so far. The Ice Wall is believed to be made of ice...makes sense.

For example, take "Bigfoot", so called because it apparently leaves large footprints. There is evidence (as such) to suggest that it has large feet.

So, Bigfoot exists, and has big feet....got it

However there is no evidence to suggest that the "Ice wall" is made of ice. All that is required is some sort of barrier to keep water from falling off the Earth. So although the belief is that it is made of ice, it could just as easily be made of anything else.

Although yes, that would mean it is no longer an "Ice" wall.

Whoa! So, Bigfoot exists and has big feet. And the Ice Wall may or may not exist, since there is no evidence, but it could easily be made of anything else, rendering it no longer an ice wall? Nah, you lost me there.

Now, you say that  "All that is required is some sort of barrier to keep water from falling off the Earth." Are you implying that the Earth is flat?

Incidently time and democracy are not objects.

Well, thank God for that! So I guess one is a non-existent abstract concept, and the other is a non-existent political ideology. Ok, cool. So if I can just get my head around the notion that this possibly non-existent Ice Wall could easily be made of anything else, I'll be up to speed.

Thank you for your patience and grace.

Regards, L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: March 15, 2006, 09:51:57 AM »

It was my understanding after the events leading up to the invasion of Iraq, that the US government believes that the United Nations doesn't exist!

What makes me think there is a wall? Well, as far as I can tell, it has something to do with a series of neurons firing in the synaptic clefts in a particular part of my brain. I use my creative cognitive powers to visualize a spectacular 150 foot wall of ice. I then attribute various properties to the aforementioned wall, including giving it an identity by naming it, eg, The Ice Wall. From that point, I form an emotional attachment to it, and write it in to a part of my egoic mind made self, an illusory identity which I call," me." To some extent, it then becomes My Ice Wall.

Therefore, in effect, by negating the existence of said wall, you are in essence stealing away part of "me." You cruel, vicious, heartless bastard. But please don't take this personally. As I said, this egoic mind made self is in fact illusory, therefore my attachment to the Ice Wall is also subject to the law of impermanence. Similarly, my seething rage toward you shall also pass, either at the point of my death, or in best case scenario, at the moment that I attain enlightenment, thus transcending the limitations of my egoic self. Either way, it will end well.

Now, when you say that you "think there is no wall," do you mean that you consciously contemplate "no wall?" Do you actually formulate the mental construct of a non wall, or do you in fact contemplate there being nothing where you instinctively imagine the wall to be?

But I still don't understand. How can an Ice Wall, not be made of ice? That would have to constitute the worst case of false naming since that movie "Never Ending Story." I was so disappointed when the credits ran....

Regards, L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: March 15, 2006, 06:26:33 AM »

Interesting.

So you are saying that the Ice Wall may not be made of ice... Well then its very misleading to call it the Ice Wall. I understand the point about the moon, although I don't recall anyone calling it the Cheese Moon. Imagine the disappointment amongst cheesemakers who may have considered moon travel a financial opportunity. However, assuming that an actual object is made of cheese whenever there is doubt regarding its actual properties, seems to me to lend an irrational bias toward dairy products in general. If people were calling it the Cheese Wall, I would understand your objection. But an Ice Wall just sounds so cool......

What I'm wondering is, why do Roundies keep referring to it as the Ice Wall, when

a) It may not be made of ice, and

b) It doesn't exist.

Also, how do you explain the fact that we can apply properties to the political system called "democracy," when in fact it also, does not exist anywhere on this planet?

And what about time? It doesn't exist, but many properties are applied to it. "Time goes so fast," "Time flies when you're having fun," "Time heals all wounds." How does this non-existent, non-object accelerate, levitate, and apparently perform acts of healing?

Furthermore, could non-existence be considered a property, specifically applicable to objects that don't exist? Would that fuck things up?

Lastly, what are the properties of the nucleus of an atom when it pops out of existence, ala quantum physics? Does it cease to have properties at that point? Could it possibly, at that point, be made of ice? Or cheese?

Thank you for your insights. I'm determined to get to the bottom of this Ice Wall. Even if it doesn't exist.

Regards, L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: March 14, 2006, 04:29:02 PM »

cheesejoff,

Ok, that seems fair.

I think the fact that it doesn't exist is irrelevant when discussing what the wall is made of. It may not exist, but it is made of ice.

I find it hard to believe that turquoise ostriches would conspire. And now you're saying there's purple ones as well! Make up your mind! What color are these imaginary conspiratorial ostriches? (I'm hoping that is the plural of ostrich. Ostrichi? No, that doesn't sound right...) The shapeshifting into world leaders stuff sounds fair. I'm Australian, and I'm sure our Prime Minister is some kind of emu.

Thanks for the reply and putting me straight on a few things. Sorry about the name calling, I just ran out of things to say.

Regards, L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The Ice Wall? What makes you think it's made of ice?

« on: March 14, 2006, 08:40:46 AM »

I can't believe that anyone is seriously asking the question "How do you know that the Ice Wall is made of ice?" What a stupid question! Why else would it be called the Ice Wall? How do you think it got its name? Jeez..

Why do you think they called the Great Wall the Great Wall? Because its fuckin' Great, that's why. Otherwise, they'd call it the Average Wall, or the Mediocre Wall or just, The Wall.

And I don't believe all that stuff about the turquoise ostriches, that just sounds like bullshit to me. You Roundies need to stop trying to use science to explain stuff. See what it did to all those old scientists? They're dead. Start using some common sense. "How do you know the ice wall is made of ice?" Gimme a fuckin' break. Commie Pinko Rastafarian Neocon Science-Boy Roundies. No offence.

Regards, L.A.P.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Something that no Round Earther can answer. Proof & Test

« on: March 13, 2006, 10:51:03 AM »

I'm Australian, and I speak for all Australians when I say that we are glad that the Earth is flat. We fall down, we get back up, but we never fall off.

Gravity is overrated. I can't see it, therefore it doesn't exist. Like Democracy.

I wish we could all just get along.

Don't be angry with each other Roundies. As George W Bush so wisely said, "Fool me once.....shame on.......shame on....you. Fool me twice...........you can't get fooled again......."

He was right. The Earth is flat.

L.A.P.

P.S. You can get pieces of black paper and beach balls in space, you just gotta have the right connections. I know a guy.

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Announcements / Welcome to theflatearthsociety.org!

« on: March 13, 2006, 12:09:58 AM »

It's so good to be here amongst those who know beyond any reasonable doubt that the Earth is flat. Being of Western mind, I only believe what I can see. When I look around, the Earth is flat. Sure, there's little hills, and mountains and other topographical anomolies, but these do not detract from the overall flatness. She's flat all right, and I love her for it.

I have travelled to Europe. It was flat. I've also been to China and many parts of Asia. Flat as. And as an Australian, I can tell you that the outback is about as flat as flat gets.

I believe in the great conspiracy, because I have seen evidence of it. I've seen the propaganda pumped out by Roundies who are obviously too scared to admit that science hasn't really got a clue, which is why their "immutable truth" changes every couple of years or so when they work out that they were wrong. Quantum physics makes a mockery of many of the idiots who were once praised as genius. I trust only the observer, and this observer says that the Earth is flat, therefore, it is.

Feel free to argue with me, but I will be playing my guitar.

Regards, LAP.