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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Where do the rockets go?
« on: Today at 11:16:41 PM »
Rockets presumably went to Skylab. The only way I know of to get there and back. Pre-CGI olden days:

Pre CGI days?

Amazing what you can do in so called micro gravity, eh?
flips and turns without smashing into the top of the circle.

It's almost like they have shark fins to be able to manipulate their bodies in that pesky micro gravity.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 10:27:14 PM »
Which is irrelevant to the difference in the position of the tree.

For the FE, the base of the tree is 0 inches/feet/whatever below the ground you are standing on.
For the RE, it drops by a tiny amount. At 400 ft distance, that would be ~0.046 inches, or ~0.004 ft.

That is all the base of the tree has dropped by.
Your eye height is 6 ft above the ground, that means it is 6 ft above both of those distance.
That means for the FE the base of the tree is 6 ft below your eye.
That means for the RE, at that distance, it is ~6.004 ft below your eye.
Do you really think that 0.004 ft will make a difference?

This 4th mile would be equivalent to the 1 mile away from a 6 feet high level tube.
No, it wouldn't.
As you keep spouting this same ignorant nonsense, it appears you do need a picture.
Care to explain what is wrong with this:

The 8 inches are simply below the line straight out from your feet, meaning the ground at that point is 6 ft and 8 inches below your line of sight.

There is no magical equivalence to a 4 mile view.
That would require those 8 inches to magically grow to 4 2/3 ft.
It is pure nonsense.

6 ft + 8 inches will always be 6 ft and 8 inches. It will never magically jump up to 11 ft.

That means it is yet another blatant lie from your irrational hatred of the RE, to pretend there is a problem with the RE when there is none.

Only you globalists would use that silly twist.

No, as you well know, you wouldn't be adding 8 inches, you would be squaring the 8 inches to the 4th mile having already used the 3rd mile as a height stand point of 6 feet.

Whether you told a person to go and plant a stick at the first mile at 8 inches above sea level and then go farther to plant another stick at 2 miles to square that further mile to 32 inches f stick showing and then 3 miles and squaring that 8 inches to 72 inches (6 feet).

It's still 6 feet out of the deck above water.

he following measurement goes to one mile farther which is squared by 8 inches and distance, meaning you having a stick protruding 128 inches out of the water, or 10 feet 8 inches.

So don't try and play the silly twisting game of adding 8 inches to the 6 foot. You know it's wrong and so does most others.
If they back you up then it shows what they are, too.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 10:18:08 PM »
I've stated many times how you wouldn't see the ground on your globe.
And that justification was that it is below the tube, which you have now admitted is not good enough.

No I haven't. My stance has been rigid.
The fact you people try to move the goal posts to twist stuff is down to you lot and has no bearing on my stance.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 09:37:37 PM »

Myself and the others, don't like to see well meaning folk like yourself, hoodwinked by flat earth disinformation propaganda. It's our civic duty to reach out to you and pull you back from the edge of madness!

I don't believe I'm hoodwinked.
I have my own Earth version. I'm not subservient to any particular belief so I can hardly be hoodwinked.
I believe I was hoodwinked throughout school with a lot of stuff, including the global Earth nonsense, which I believed unconditionally at the time.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

How many times have I told you the truth never changes? That philosophy has served me well in my career, and it's something you're never too old to adopt.
You are absolutely correct, the truth can never change but it has to be the truth of something that is unchangeable.
I don't see any of that with a global Earth and its trimmings.
I see the opposite of truth which can be changed by challenge for the person doing so, regardless of the masses refusing to accept that change due t inability to break free of the indoctrinated system that doesn't allow alternate thought without consequence..

Quote from: Smoke Machine

If the truth is the Earth is a globe, it doesn't matter what argument you come up with against it, the Earth is still a globe.
And if it isn't the truth, which I firmly believe it isn't, then it's told under false pretences and false representations by those who know better and by those who teach the ignorance by adherence to curriculum, respectively .

Quote from: Smoke Machine

I have a globe of Earth in my lounge room. I know it's scale. I know how to use a calculator and a measuring tape. I have used it to test known distances where I have travelled. It is accurate. Earth is a globe. No flat earth model has a hope in hell of duplicating that accuracy - ever.
And yet people use flat maps to navigate, generally speaking.

Quote from: Smoke Machine

Sceptimatic, you're not an idiot. You're an intelligent person. When are you going to give up on this poisonous dream of yours?
Whatever you people decide I am or am not, is irrelevant.
I have absolutely no interest in what you think of me, or your global internet/forum buddies.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 09:21:36 PM »

Do you even accept the image of the tree is inverted at the back of your retina and your brain turns it correct way up? You do know this, right?
We don't need to argue inverted.

Well, hallelujah! That's one less argument to worry about.

I see you're all back discussing tubes again.

Explain for me, Sceptimatic, how light compresses. You seem to have expert secret knowledge on this. I want to know.
Atmospheric mass over distance converges the distant view due to closer light view taking precedence in the less dense mass of horizontal atmosphere to your eye.

It creates what appears to be a funnel look which appears wider at the start than the finish but is actually not the reality of overall vision..

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: Today at 09:13:18 PM »
Scepti, gravity is the name of the downward force, we and everything else in this world, experiences. If buoyancy were the explanation, what would make things go down, and not up, or to the sides? If density were an explanation, different objects would move at different speeds. Instead, they all fall downward at the same constant speed. Buoyancy and density are not even forces.

Gravity exists. Gravity is a force. Prove it doesn't exist.
If you paid attention you would understand that objects do fall at different speeds.
If you paid attention you'd that the reason why this happens is due to atmospheric displacement by mass.
If you want to try and visualise the set up by looking at an analogy then think of an object sandwiched between a sponge mattress (atmosphere) that is more dense below than above.

I'm pretty sure you won't give it a thought...maybe you can't vision it....but you're more than happy to vision something which you absolutely do not know to be any force, at all and for any reason other than to follow a mass on mass attraction in the name of gravity.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 10:11:58 AM »

You didn't do your experiment and you know it, that's why you refuse to post any photographs of it.  If you really performed it like you claimed, where is your evidence?  Why won't you show it?  What are you hiding?  You bottled it, didn't you.
The experiment was so simple to do.
You did the same experiment except you dipped your tube after pretending to show a level on top of it.

I know you did this because I did the same kind of experiment, only with a real level tube over a downward gradient.

You mean you say you did the experiment but won't show anyone. I think you won't show anyone the photos because they don't exist, as you never actually performed the experiment. You just 'know' what it should look like, right?

Pics or it didn't happen.
Legitimate people can verify it for themselves. That obviously doesn't include you.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 09:45:19 AM »

You didn't do your experiment and you know it, that's why you refuse to post any photographs of it.  If you really performed it like you claimed, where is your evidence?  Why won't you show it?  What are you hiding?  You bottled it, didn't you.
The experiment was so simple to do.
You did the same experiment except you dipped your tube after pretending to show a level on top of it.

I know you did this because I did the same kind of experiment, only with a real level tube over a downward gradient.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 09:43:32 AM »

This 4th mile would be equivalent to the 1 mile away from a 6 feet high level tube.

No, it has the same value (6 foot) at 3 miles, but has no logical equivalence. You're desperately trying to build another strawman.
It is the ground that drops away, your height above it has absolutely no effect on that.
What I've said is correct going by your global mindset.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 08:47:47 AM »

The 6 feet higher doesn't matter at all to the ground. The ground drops away :-
400ft / 5280ft = 0.076 miles
0.076 ^ 2 = 0.0057 miles squared
0.0057 * 8 inches = 0.046 inches drop over 400ft

So the base of the tree is 0.046 inches lower your feet when you are standing at  the tube.

Once again you are trying to use you not understanding something as meaning it is not possible.
I don't think you're quite getting me.
Let's try again.

If you believe you live on a globe then you have to accept the 8 inches per mile squared.
first mile is 8 inches drop.
Second mile is 2x8x2=32 inch drop.
Third mile is 8x3x3=72 inches, or 6 feet.
Fourth mile would be 8x4x4= 128 inches or 10 feet 8 inches.

This 4th mile would be equivalent to the 1 mile away from a 6 feet high level tube.

Bearing in mind from a standing start at 6 feet above sea level, you would not see the ground directly below the tube end, so don't even think about seeing it over distance as your globe curves down.

You people are arguing it from a flat Earth (water) point of view but believe it's from a global point of view, which you can clearly see it cannot be.

Simple stuff is all it takes.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 07:58:34 AM »
i'm the worst of the lot eh?

Yep, I'd say so.
You start off ok then revert right back to square one and your attempted abuse comes right with it.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 07:57:04 AM »

You go with a globe. You also go with 8 inches per mile squared or thereabouts.
This suggests a downward curve, always.
This means my level view through a tube would mean your Earth curves away from me, downwards from your level vision by 8 inches for the first mile and then nearly 3 feet for the second mile and 6 feet for the third mile.
Just 3 miles means you lose 6 feet of vision of your so called global ground from that level start.

And also means that the tree image we have been discussing, at 400ft away will only be 0.046 inch lower on the globe than it would be on a flat plane. You are asking us to believe that this fraction of an inch is enough to stop us seeing the ground(that would also be just 0.046 inch lower). That sounds retarded, so we don't believe you. And you are entirely incapable of showing evidence or even logical reasoning why this would be the case, so we don't believe you.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=87127.msg2312375#msg2312375

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 07:55:37 AM »

Keeps gerting overlooked.
He got words.
He even got a picture to go along with the words.
Funny its overlooked.
You can't explain it unless you copy and paste it.
That's all you have.
There's no effort from you...at all.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 07:54:17 AM »

I showed my side, several times and it proved you wrong. You never showed your side, even when called out, like now. Why? What are you afraid of showing? That your own experiment proves you wrong?
I know what I know and you tried to dupe people with your set up.
I called you out on it and handed you a better set up where you would have serious trouble trying the dupe and guess what?

Yep, you bottled it just like I suspected you would.

You know what you know, so don't need to actually... look through a tube. Because you 'know' what you will see. Do you have any idea how crazy that sounds?

Why don't you try your own experiment and show us what YOU see. Look through a tube, it's NOT hard.
I know what I know because I've done the very same experiment you did. That why I know you tried to play a dupe and I called you out on it.

Anyone can do it and prove that I'm correct.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 07:52:41 AM »
The 'honest" opinion of a proven dishonest  troll. Sounds quite worthless,
I'm pleased you think like that because that's my mindset of you.
It is the mindset of anyone who has honestly analysed what you have stated.

Again, why do you claim the ground is not visible through a level tube when looking down a slope or when looking on a RE?

Remember, you have admitted that you CAN see what is below the tube, so the ground merely being below is not enough.
I've stated many times how you wouldn't see the ground on your globe.

Just standing with a 6 foot level view you're already at the 3 mile distance right there.
So basically your first mile from that point is squared from 6 feet which means your drop is now nearly 11 feet from that point at just one mile.

And you think that, although you see no ground/water immediately below the end of your tube, you'll suddenly see it as the ground/water drops even further up to  nearly 11 feet in one mile?
This is why the globe is fantasy.

There's no horizon and definitely no ground seen.
Soooo, we are living on/in something different to a globe.

It's all about fine tuning what exactly that is.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 06:35:54 AM »

Quote from: Stash
Do you even know what the Globe perspective claims as the size of the earth? Or are you just pretending not to know? (I'm pretty sure the latter) I understand that you loath the notion of a globe earth, but acting like a child who hates it sooo much you can't even address what you're against is just plain weird.

If you think I'm acting like a child then that's your mindset.
You might need to ask yourself and your posse, who are acting child like to make you wonder why I seem to be from your side.

Quote from: Stash
I absolutely refute anything to do with your global Earth mindset because I am 100% sure that the Earth is not a globe we supposedly walk upon.

Good for you. But your crazed self-indoctrinated refusal has left you in a position where you can't even argue for your side.
Because you make up these things that you rail against that aren't even part of the pantheon of the thing you rail against. You're clouded distaste for what you don't believe, so much so, like a religeous zealot.

To be fair it's people like you that act like that.
You see you lot attack the laternates to your religious belief's because you treat them as your facts due to adherence to those you buy into as factual tutors and simply use it as your comfortable reliance and go to regurgitation when the model comes under scrutiny.

As for me. I give out my musings/theories/hypotheses as just that.
I do not pass them off as factual but I do stand behind what I say until someone can prove it wrong or come up with a better potential.

Some have their own potentials and I respect that. It may not be for me but mine may not be for them.
You people throw what you read for mainstream, out as your weapon of choice to supposedly scupper any alternate but you do not have the facts. You have a faith system that comes off as you facts...and here you are calling me a religious zealot. Look in your mirror.

Quote from: Stash
Sure, we all foist our notions about a globe earth on your notions, but at a minimum, we're trying to fit reality to it, mostly to refute it, but also to understand it.
Clearly you aren't.
Your modus operandi, among other with your mindset, is to destroy all conflicts against the global system...the one you adhere to like a limpet.
You start off pretending you understand stuff and then go into attack mode and back to square one.
Kabool is the worst of the lot.
If you really wanted to understand it, you would do so but I feel you're too weak minded and basically wary of looking like you do because you know you will be attacked yourself from the usual suspects.
I genuinely believe that and I think people like yourself waste your own time arguing, armed with a silver platter full of references to throw out without much effort.

Quote from: Stash
And so far, every time, reality rears its ugly head and your carbonite projecting dome covered crystal membrane world just doesn't present itself as such, as in reality. No evidence of any of it, no experiments of any of it, just your musings. All fine and good, but just musings. Zero evidence.
It depends on what experiments mean to you.
I've done plenty but they mean nothing because you don't accept simple stuff, like low pressure and how it works and instead choosing vacuums with random scattered particles just banging into each other and what not, with empty space between them.

You don't allow yourself 5 minutes to actually question your side. It is what they say it is and you are in awe, so that's that. Basically.

Quote from: Stash
I know all about the magical fantasy of the globe you believe in and I'm putting forward simple arguments that show it to be the nonsense it is.

Apparently you don't. Otherwise that you would know that in globe thinking, the earth does not just peel away from your feet so you wouldn't be able to see the ground through a simple bloody tube. Thinking that couldn't be more asinine. It's such a strange and bizarre hill for you to die on when simple reality evidence you refuse to present that anyone could, and has shown, immediately shows you're wrong. Bizarre. Only a troll would keep this argument up for 100 pages.

The same simple tube destroys your globe. It's as simple as that.

Quote from: Stash
Of course you don't accept stuff. Of course you'll think I'm unable to grasp that fantasy because I rally against is.

Nothing you people have said has any bearing on the truth of a globe. You know it and I know it and so do most of the others.

Hilarious. I'll leave it at that.

You'll need to because there's nothing you can prove in terms of your belief in a globe you think you walk upon.

Quote from: Stash
However the narrative suggests otherwise. The one you follow, unconditionally. At least on a forum like this where you believe you have some kind of bragging right, backed up by a posse of similar indoctrinated mindsets.

Hmmm, unconditionally? None of us would be here if it were unconditional.
Most of you are, so, what now?
Don't tell me you're here to learn something alternate to what you firmly believe.

There's a few among you that I believe would love to rally against the globe, even if it starts off as being a devil's advocate stance.
I believe fear of being attacked stops some from daring to take that stance on a forum.
I include you in that.

Smokey tested the water until he was attacked and went back into his shell.

Quote from: Stash
A starting point for sure, but a place like this makes one question a lot of things, research a lot of things, personally confirm or deny a lot of things. You're not as special as you would like to believe. You should take a breather from such narcissism. It's unhealthy and makes you believe you know what goes through the minds of other people when you really have no idea.
I think we all do that.
I even have you down as wearing a clint Eastwood spaghetti western hat and actually smoking half a cigar whilst wearing white socks and flip flops.
I'm sure you'll have me down as Peter Lorre or something.

Just kidding by the way....but...we all do like to think we've got the gist of the opponent or correspondent whether faced or faceless.

Quote from: Stash
I'm just giving my honest opinion.

Understood. But maybe just back away from the the holier than thou you're all indoctrinated sheep thing and maybe take in for a moment that yes, biases are at the forefront, so is yours, but that doesn't mean no one is trying to learn something, understand something that may be foreign, even if they argue against it. We are no more indoctrinated than you are.
As soon as you people do so, I'll be sure to follow.
Remember I deal with many of you lot and your digs are basically back patting follow on's.
I only have myself to retort to those which makes me appear like I'm the bad wolf.

The problem you people have is in not being able to play your own set of rules.
Try it sometime and see what happens, or carry on playing the silly games and see what happens.

Tit for tat but the issue should be, using the brain.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 06:34:38 AM »
You are arguing for something that does not exist, in my honest opinion.

That doesn't matter, it's neither here nor there. Regardless of whether you think something exists or not, you obligation in this discussion is to at least try an understand the bare minimum of what the opposing side offers.
I definitely do try but you have to remember that I was once an adherent to your globe model and by questioning it, I'm at this point.

You have to ask yourself why I got to this point if you're serious about understanding varying points.

Quote from: Stash
We try with your side, over and over and over again, we try. Albeit, we only have you in the world to rely on to figure out what your side is and you suck at conveying it as evidenced by a dozen years of zero people buying into your musings.
You try for a little bit then it comes down to digs and then the old troll comes out, then all the rest of the gunk.
I simply play tit for tat in some cases because I feel the replies are worthless in terms of effort.

Quote from: Stash
At least we have outside sources.
Outside sources are only relevant if those sources are based on truth; something which you can appeal to but cannot truthfully stand by as a knowing set of truth's.
If you can then let's see what you have.

Quote from: Stash
But it seems you don't even have a rudimentary notion about how the other side purports to work. You just make up shit like in a globe world the earth just peels off immediately and curves away below your feet like a cliff.
I don't make that up. You've just done it.

You go with a globe. You also go with 8 inches per mile squared or thereabouts.
This suggests a downward curve, always.
This means my level view through a tube would mean your Earth curves away from me, downwards from your level vision by 8 inches for the first mile and then nearly 3 feet for the second mile and 6 feet for the third mile.
Just 3 miles means you lose 6 feet of vision of your so called global ground from that level start.

So, regardless of whether you mention peeling off like a cliff, it simply would create extreme measurable distance to ground over a few miles, as shown.

It doesn't work and the only way you people can try and make it work is by using a global skim to target which would mean you would have to angle your view to the target and also bend that vision if reflection back  to your eye.

It's nonsensical but it answers the conundrum by use of fiction.
Among many things, this one destroys the global notion.

So when you ask why you wouldn't see distant objects, this is exactly why.

The fact that we do see distant objects tells us that the Earth is absolutely 100% not a globe we supposedly walk/sail upon.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 05:31:07 AM »
The 'honest" opinion of a proven dishonest  troll. Sounds quite worthless,
I'm pleased you think like that because that's my mindset of you.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: April 11, 2021, 11:12:12 PM »

For some severely bizarre reason you think a globe earth peels off right below the bottom edge of the tube and the tree just hovers. I mean c'mon, you've been at this for what, like a dozen years, and you still have no idea how this globe earth stuff you've been railing against is supposed to work? Talk about indoctrinated. And/or lazy, and/or inept, and/or, most likely, just trolling away.

Learn what it is that you actually disagree with and form an argument based upon that. It's absurd that after all this time you have no idea what you're even denying.
You are arguing for something that does not exist, in my honest opinion.
I absolutely refute anything to do with your global Earth mindset because I am 100% sure that the Earth is not a globe we supposedly walk upon.

I know all about the magical fantasy of the globe you believe in and I'm putting forward simple arguments that show it to be the nonsense it is.

Of course you don't accept stuff. Of course you'll think I'm unable to grasp that fantasy because I rally against is.

Nothing you people have said has any bearing on the truth of a globe. You know it and I know it and so do most of the others.
However the narrative suggests otherwise. The one you follow, unconditionally. At least on a forum like this where you believe you have some kind of bragging right, backed up by a posse of similar indoctrinated mindsets.

I'm just giving my honest opinion.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: April 11, 2021, 09:32:14 PM »
I never claimed the ground couldn't be seen.
Yes, you did.
You claimed that because the ground is below the level of the tube, it can't be seen.

If it was on a global Earth, yes.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: April 11, 2021, 09:30:57 PM »
And if we can see the ground.

Yep, what's the issue?

If there is no issue, how are these real life images different than the one above?

So, you decided to place a tree inside his tube and that solves the downward gradient issue, for you, right?

You people make me laugh.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: April 11, 2021, 09:29:14 PM »
It also means that we would see this :-

If the tube was much higher.
You wouldn't see the ground if this was your set up.
You'd have to be looking up a hill.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: April 11, 2021, 09:27:21 PM »

I showed my side, several times and it proved you wrong. You never showed your side, even when called out, like now. Why? What are you afraid of showing? That your own experiment proves you wrong?
I know what I know and you tried to dupe people with your set up.
I called you out on it and handed you a better set up where you would have serious trouble trying the dupe and guess what?

Yep, you bottled it just like I suspected you would.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: April 11, 2021, 09:25:01 PM »

This is why I mention how you lot twist things.
You came in under your bored name to try and aid in twisting it all and all you lot do is make it all harder for yourselves.

Make it harder for what? Harder to understand your nonsense? I don't care about understanding your nonsense, you don't even understand your own nonsense. It is quite obviously retarded.
I have pointed out where you have contradicted yourself once again, so it's you that is twisting things.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: April 11, 2021, 06:30:50 AM »
And if we can see the ground.

Yep, what's the issue?
No issue. You have finally answered the question of 'can we see the ground below the tree?'.
I never had any issue with it in the first place.

Holycrap?
And he is bringing this as his own evidnece afainst his claims.
Amazing!

See how nice it is to have a picutre to clarfiy your word salad?

Scepti finally agrees that we can see the ground.  And it only took 144 pages.
I never denied it in this instance.

My stance is still 100% firm.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: April 11, 2021, 06:29:53 AM »
And if we can see the ground.

Yep, what's the issue?
No issue. You have finally answered the question of 'can we see the ground below the tree?'.
I never had any issue with it in the first place.

Holycrap?
And he is bringing this as his own evidnece afainst his claims.
Amazing!

See how nice it is to have a picutre to clarfiy your word salad?
Why would I have an issue with that picture?

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: April 11, 2021, 06:29:07 AM »
It is very clearly stated

- The eyeball is a pinhole camera
The pinhole accurately shows how sight-distance-things-far-look-small all work.
Yes no?

Nice and simple so I'm under no illusions.

This is amazing.
Its been explained.
For tye 5th time -
What part of it confuses you?

Either state a part that needs clarification or admit youre pathetic and this is your goto deflection
Tell me what happens.
Have you done the experiments to show what happens?
If so explain them to me.

It seems you are deflecting.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: April 11, 2021, 06:27:44 AM »
You aren't fooling anybody but yourself.  I haven't see you learn a single fact or idea in any of these discussions, all you do is deny, deny, deny.

I have no need to fool anyone.
Argue the points or stay away from replying to me if you think what you think.
It should be easy to do but it seems hard for people like you.

It's hard to argue the facts when you don't produce any. Where is your experiment to show us how it works?

The only thing hard to do it seems, is you carrying out your own experiment. It's easy for you to claim everyone else is 'duping' you when you can't even perform the experiment yourself to double-check that you're actually right. Wouldn't it be funny if you actually did try it and got the same results as everyone else?

Would you admit it or... just avoid the subject and dodge and evade. Suspiciously like what you are doing.
You had every opportunity to show your side and you bottled it when called out.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: April 11, 2021, 06:26:34 AM »
It also means that we would see this :-

If the tube was much higher.
You wouldn't see the ground if this was your set up.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: April 11, 2021, 06:25:24 AM »
And if we can see the ground.

Yep, what's the issue?
No issue. You have finally answered the question of 'can we see the ground below the tree?'.
I never had any issue with it in the first place.