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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Anger bigotry and dishonesty
« on: June 24, 2017, 07:06:20 PM »
Forgive me if this is out of place, but I came across an old song that seems to sum up all the bitterness you've described. For what it's worth,

Hitler Lives
By Rosalie Allen (1945)

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Nuclear Power Exaggerated
« on: June 24, 2017, 06:41:25 PM »
Atom & Evil
By the Golden Gate Quartet

Flat Earth Believers / Re: what do u believe 1st
« on: June 23, 2017, 09:59:54 PM »
To insist that  the earth is flat may have it's place, but to insist that such a truth is more important than God seems obtuse.

Out of prudence, I want to clarify one point. I dare not say nor think of anyone as obtuse. That's not my call. I do believe that the thought itself of anything being as  important as God is a foolish thought.

I do not believe in judging people, but I often consider it good and correct to evaluate and judge ideas.

Flat Earth Believers / Re: what do u believe 1st
« on: June 23, 2017, 09:45:08 PM »
Of course, I believe God. I also believe that man is created by God consisting of two parts: body and soul, the earth into which God breathed. Since I believe man was created in the image of God who is one nature that transcends a Trinity, the soul of man is a Trinity.

Plato was correct when he spoke of a triune soul: intellect, emotion, and ethos (the conscience).

For me personally, to ascertain the truth about religion is necessary with a view to security for eternity and perhaps just out of love for God.

The flat earth is true, but it is not necessary for salvation. To insist that  the earth is flat may have it's place, but to insist that such a truth is more important than God seems obtuse. I think it's wise to be sober enough to recognise the level and place of application some truths. As Solomon wrote to everything there is a season and purpose under heaven.

Flat Earth Believers / Re: what do u believe 1st
« on: June 23, 2017, 09:21:38 PM »
I relentlessly started pursuing the truth and came to the conclusion that I'd been lied to about a lot of things in school and the media.

I aggressively began collecting books specifically about this media phenomenon and systematic propagation of falsehood in the twentieth century.  Now that I've assessed some of these books, I would say the  media in nineteenth century America was very different in a good way: it was less monopolised and ownership more distributed. Worthy of mention is a 1936 non-fiction book by Upton Sinclair entitled the 'Brass Check' that tells the sad story of how the newspapers and journalism (the media) became monopolised.
What is newsworthy and what is to be believed in as truth by the majority in America is decided by the rich and those who depend upon them for a livelihood.

The consensus of nineteenth century writers was that flat earth belief has a common history with early Christians up to the time that Islam resuscitated pagan globe earth philosophy. Nowadays, writers uncritically accept Jeffrey Burton Russell's contention that flat earth belief was rare among early Christians, and it is an unsubstantiated lie.

I've heard self professed Christians argue that Josephus never wrote that Christ was resurrected in spite of the fact that he clearly wrote exactly that in his book 'Antiquities of the Jews' and many ancient writers also quoted him as writing that. Why would someone wanting to follow Christ make such an argument against his own interest? It's because the propaganda has been successful here.

This reminds me of beautiful recent conversation I had with a 75 year Vietnam veteran (a leftist who realised at that time that the Americans were actually the bad guys) whose been a prison security guard all his life and nearing retirement. He told me most of his younger co-workers vote against their own interests. By and large, more often than not, they vote and argue for what the rich want. 

I told him that compared to his generation, and even more so in comparison with the WWII, that the generation today is by comparison politically further to the right and also more stupid. He looked down kind of sad and shrugged saying "It's true."

I believed the earth was flat since 1996 when I first read the original and more compact (1849?) edition of Rowbotham's 'Earth Not a Globe'. 

This was in the context of a vaster search for spiritual truth and for a Church since 1992 and which by 1999 had narrowed to the Eastern Orthodox Churches by process of elimination.

What led me to Rowbotham's book at that time when it was far less well known was a Protestant bible commentary given to me in 1994. A passage discussing the travel of the sun on its circuit in Ecclesiastes 1:5 which was embarrassed about the bible apparently being out of touch with modern astronomy made me highly offended. I was not especially interested in astronomy before that, but I became a geocentrist that evening because I could not tolerate that from someone who claims to believe the bible inerrant and dares to teach about it. I wanted no part with such cowardice.

Afterwards, I sought out spherical geocentrists as flat earth was not even a consideration and seemed beyond extreme, but Charles Johnson's flat earth society was the only thing I could find remotely related. So I finally began to check it out and follow its leads which led me to Rowbotham's book by 1996.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: What are you reading?
« on: June 21, 2017, 08:49:01 PM »
'Race War!'
By Gerald Horne

This book is about the reverse racism characteristic of Japanese imperialism that degraded white people and propagated Japan as a protector of non-whites that gained popular support from Asians which mightily assisted Japan militarily.

Refreshingly, this is a World War II book that slams America as a colonial, racist pariah. The author is a prolific and clever black communist university professor and historian who views both Japan and the U.S. as racist colonial empires. In the 1930's Japan was, without question, the country black Americans admired the most.

Japan's anti-white racial society and its military successes frightened the living daylights out of america's rich 1%, and they sought to guarantee the postwar loyalty of non-White Americans. This is the reason for Truman's integration of the military in 1948 and Eisenhower and the U.S. Supreme Court supporting civil rights of non-whites in the 1950's: the Japanese threat made their sponsors (the rich 1%) reconsider what course would preserve their hegemony. A degree of civil rights was permitted because it significantly undermined the motive behind non-White revolutionary potential.

The Lounge / Re: 8/21 August Solar Eclipse
« on: June 19, 2017, 08:06:57 AM »

The Lounge / Re: 8/21 August Solar Eclipse
« on: June 18, 2017, 10:24:31 AM »
If I was going to watch the eclipse from somewhere outside of the shadow, I would say it doesn't get any better than the summit of Mount Hood in Oregon. At that spot, you're close enough to see the eclipse shadow pass over the Cascade mountains from a commanding bird's eye view.  That said, the view from Madras will likely be more spectacular.

The Lounge / Re: 8/21 August Solar Eclipse
« on: June 17, 2017, 09:57:25 AM »
I will be in the above-mentioned Madras OR location.

So you'll get to see the shadow cover Mount Jefferson (to the immediate west of Madras) moments before it gets to you.

We recently flew to Alaska and back out of Seattle. On the return drive to Oregon, we took the 1-205 bypass west of Portland to see Multnomah Falls on I-84. We then drove to the summit of Mount Hood which is the most outstanding landmark in the Portland region and has an awesome hotel ski lodge one mile from the summit where we had a drink at sunset. From the summit of Mount Hood, I clearly saw Mount Jefferson (60 miles roughly?) to the south.

Tomorrow afternoon, I'm probably going over to scope out Depoe Bay and the Oregon coast.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 15, 2017, 01:56:39 PM »
I never saw Dances With Wolves in all these many years until a couple weeks ago. This Johnny Cash song reminded me of this scene which gives pause for thought about the end of people who use their lives to take up space.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 15, 2017, 01:38:50 PM »
Try this one . . .  French Anthem, La Marseillaise.

First spoken. . .
(skip through to get an idea of what is being said. It's repetitive.)

Then, as arranged by Hector Berlioz. . .
(again, after the intro, bump ahead a few times. Stop at 4:20 and listen to the children's choir, knowing what they are singing. Rips my heart out every time I hear it.)

I'll definitely check it out.

By Johnny Cash

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 15, 2017, 11:28:43 AM »
The Spanish National Anthem  (of the 1930's) sung by German communist veterans of the Spanish Civil War who fought against Franco and German Nazis.

Himno de Riego
Sung by Ernst Busch

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Lysenko versus Eugenics
« on: June 13, 2017, 03:58:18 PM »
As is well known, eugenics was generally and decisively discredited consonant with the fall of Nazism.

As Lewontin's book describes, biological determinism has been on the resurgence since the mid-1960's which is precisely when Lysenko's policies were abandoned. Perhaps most significantly, the damage to his reputation and the severely curtailed influence of his school of thought cleared the way for the resurgence of racist science.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Lysenko versus Eugenics
« on: June 13, 2017, 03:33:35 PM »
T. Lysenko was a famous Soviet biologist and opponent of biological determinism which has a history of association with racism, the eugenics movement, and politically motivated pseudoscience.

Lysenko came under severe criticism during and since the 1960's, and I have come to suspect this criticism is rooted in anti-communist and racist politics rather than facts.

First, as Lysenko was most prominent during the Stalin era, the criticism against Lysenko is consistent with revisionism and non-Marxist trends characteristic of the degenerating Kruhschev-Brezhnev era.

Second, the basis usually cited for discrediting Lysenkoism is alleged ruinous effects of his ideas upon agriculture. That his policies had been used for decades and fell out of favor after Stalin suggests political motive. Secondly, Enver Hoxha's informative critique of the Kruhschev era assigns blame to Kruhschev himself for ruining much of agriculture that had worked beautifully when Stalin was in power and Lysenko's policies had full sway.

'The Kruhschevites'
By Enver Hoxha

Third, I very recently picked up two books severely discredit modern genetics as eugenics in another form. I have not read these yet, but it will be interesting to see in what sectors their insight pulls the rug out from under modern genetics.

'Backdoor to Eugenics'
By Troy Duster
(now in an updated second edition)
Reviewed by New England Journal of Medicine

'Not in Our Genes'
By Lewontin, et al

A brief glance after receiving it in the mail the other day suggests this one is a particularly strong iconoclastic work.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 13, 2017, 02:47:04 PM »
'Turn, Turn, Turn'
By Pete Seeger
Cover by the Byrds

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 13, 2017, 11:48:44 AM »
Anthem of the USSR
Sung by Paul Robeson

Are you incapable of doing anything like a normal person that is not a communist stereotype?

Coming from you, such words are a compliment and an honour which is humbly appreciated. I therefore dedicate this song to you. And it is a disco song because I hate Ronald Reagan so much:

'Keep It Coming'
By KC & the Sunshine Band

Arts & Entertainment / Re: What are you reading?
« on: June 12, 2017, 10:27:06 PM »
'Fraud, Famine & Fascism:
the Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard'

By Douglas Tottle

A solidly evidenced refutation of the lie of a genocide in the Ukraine in the 1930's, this was written in the 1980's when the Reagan administration and allies like Robert Conquest and Nazi sympathisers in Ukrainian emigre communities were resuscitating Goebbels and Hearst's 1930's propaganda.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 12, 2017, 04:47:23 PM »
'Round, Round Hitler's Grave'
By the Almanac Singers

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 11, 2017, 02:00:49 PM »
If this song were written today, the title would be
"Come Out, Ye Navy Seals"...

'Come Out Ye Black & Tans'
By the Irish Descendants

Arts & Entertainment / Re: What are you reading?
« on: June 11, 2017, 01:25:09 PM »
'My Song'
By Harry Belafonte

His autobiography published in 2012, this is mainly a sensitive history of America from the late 1950's to today an activist's perspective and a history of the music and entertainment industry secondarily. 

He's very discriminating and doesn't hold back from criticising others on the left who have become conformists including Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, and even Barack Obama. While he's far more scathing of Bush and Colin Powell, his criticism of Bush is very precise and informative rather than an angry rant. He says that Obama is like most left leaders these days in that they do not have the radical spirit of the movement of the 60's such as Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy.

Belafonte continued as an activist after King died in 1968 and much of the movement floundered, his attention went to anti-colonial struggles in Africa in the 70's and especially South Africa. He was sympathetic to Cuba and long time friends with Castro.

Possibly the only disappointment was Belafonte's acquiescence with the anti-communist pro-Gorbachev sentiment prevalent during the 1980's. This aspect was conformist and not radical. Possibly Martin Luther King would have concurred with Belafonte on this, but not Paul Robeson, whom Belafonte credits as his major influence. This recognition of the grossly underrated Paul Robeson is the key that distinguishes Harry Belafonte from the typical follower of Martin Luther King. In my opinion, Harry Belafonte is indeed the truest successor and preserver of Martin Luther King's heritage and activities - both in (primarily) good ways and perhaps even in a couple of bad ways (such as his collusion with Reaganite anti-communism in the 1980's).

Harry Belafonte's Moving Speech Accepting NAACP's highest Award:

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 11, 2017, 01:00:21 PM »
Interview w/Pete Seeger
About the Almanac Singers

This intriguing interview delves into the politics of music during World War II. Pete Seeger was officially a communist from 1937 to 1950 which makes sense of the Almanac Singers in the 1940's.

I read that much later in life Pete Seeger did a song called the Stalin Blues which which harshly criticised Stalin. This for me is a disappointment and a definite contrast with Woody Guthrie and also Ewan Maccoll who was probably the greatest British folk singer of the century. Maccoll had a 1950's song entitled the Ballad of Stalin that praised Stalin and which he defended in a 1985 interview.  To his credit, his views remained as radical as ever in old age. Ewan Maccoll remained a communist decades longer than Pete Seeger and stated shortly before his death in 1990 that the communist parties of the west had become too moderate.

In the end, Harry Belafonte is very similar to Pete Seeger, politically active and keen except for the Soviet Union in which case they cooperated with American foreign policy. In the 1980's, Belafonte supported american rock groups with anti-Soviet agendas. To me, that's going with the flow like a robot and a puppet of the Republicans, not radicalism.

I cannot find Ewan Maccoll's Ballad of Stalin anywhere on the web. The only certain way I know to hear the original is to get the 10" 78 speed record issued back in 1952. There is apparently another catchy pro-Stalin song from the 1940's entitled the 'Taxi Driver Cap'.
An example of Ewan Maccoll:
The Ballad of Ho Chi Minh

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 10, 2017, 03:30:33 PM »
I'd like to dedicate this song along with everything that such a dedication implies about the future to the Communist Party of the Russian Federation:

'Human Nature'
(Second Wind)
By Billy Joel

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 10, 2017, 03:27:51 PM »
Anthem of the USSR
Sung by Paul Robeson

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 10, 2017, 03:24:22 PM »
Paul Robeson
interviewed by U.S. HUAC

Battle Hymn of the Republic
Sung by Paul Robeson

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 10, 2017, 03:10:36 PM »
Last Train to Nuremburg
By Pete Seeger

I perceive that Pete Seeger's band the 'Weavers' had distinction and respect out of all of the protest bands of the 1960s and even post-World War II as they were arguably the most blacklisted and persecuted. Their original name was the Almanac Singers which was a pacifist band in NYC in the early 1940s that included Woody Guthrie and which switched to pro-war anti-fascist songs urging the U.S. to enter the war after Germany had invaded the USSR.

The Almanac Singers and Paul Robeson are probably my two favourite non-religious American musical acts of all time.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: June 10, 2017, 03:06:49 PM »
'What Did You Learn in School?'
By Pete Seeger

Pete Seeger interview about interrogation by U.S. Congress & subsequent incarceration

One of the organisations in the U.S. that helps people is the ACLU.  When you stated that your dad assaulted you, it brought to mind a potent book they've published entitled 'The Rights of Crime Victims'.

Surely, there exists comparable things in Croatia.

First, my condolences for everything.

My first suggestion is to seek reliable and useful allies which will include discernment and knowledge. I like the Proverbs of Solomon which give unchanging reliable guide. One example is when Solomon wrote "Depart from the presence of a fool when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge." Passages such as this have helped me much over years.

As far as getting information, there are likely websites and organisations that put out the truth about these kinds of things in Croatia & also offer services to help people. I would first find out about all of these, and then make assessments as to which are the most useful after you know more about them.

In my personal opinion, when you say that Croatia s democratic with little corruption, my thought is that it is like the U.S. where the media convince many people of the same thing, but the opposite is true.

Most everybody likes to be thought of as good guys, but in many cases that's only an image.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: China's Marshall Plan
« on: June 07, 2017, 06:38:56 AM »
I've found the books by Lawrence Kuhn explain modern China particularly well - especially from the late 1960's onwards

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