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Flat Earth Debate / Picture showing the sunlight grazing the surface
« on: January 17, 2013, 07:05:45 PM »
I found this fantastic picture:



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It shows a shadow cast by Mount Rainier. How do you explain that?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Moon Visibilty.
« on: September 24, 2012, 09:31:18 PM »
When the sun or the moon move away from an observer on the stationary earth, eventually, the horizontal distance is so great that the angle to the observer tends to 0 and the sun/moon will converge to the horizon.
When the sun is at 1° above the horizon, a simple trig operation, given that the sun is at 3000 miles altitude, will return that it must be at nearly 172,000 miles distance from the observer (projected down to the horizontal plane). Won't work in the FE model. Here is a list with degrees and distances in miles:
1° = 171869
2° = 85908
5° = 34290
45° = 3000

Changing speed at exponential rates? staying on the circle?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Moon Visibilty.
« on: September 24, 2012, 12:36:56 AM »
Whether day or night you should avoid looking directly at the moon. This is probably the most important practical thing to be learned from FET. The lambent rays of the moon are NOT reflections from the sun but generated directly and are much more dangerous to your body than direct sunlight.
That's an extraordinary claim, you will have to prove it

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Earth's rotation
« on: September 13, 2012, 09:56:44 PM »
Another proof of the earth's rotation is eastward angular deviation from free fall. If you were to drop a boulder down the centre of a long enough mine shaft, as the earth rotates, the boulder would move slowly towards the east wall due to the earth's rotation.

Due to the coriolis effect, I believe it should stray towards the westward wall. I'll do some research.

You are right. I got it backwards LOL.

Wrong again, horizontal momentum is preserved, while the horizontal speed of the shaft decreases...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Secrets
« on: September 10, 2012, 06:33:19 PM »
Irush, I saw that statement and wanted to know how the rest of the FErs think about it. Thank Saddam I have an answer, which suggest that the opinion is split, and that's enough for me. No prejudice in my question, unlike in your answer.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Secrets
« on: September 10, 2012, 06:56:35 AM »
It's known that the only thing the US invented is sustained flight...

Irrelevant.

Hold it right there... is creationism the belief of this community?

I did not realize that what a single person says suddenly becomes the entire site's opinion. The world must be terribly black and white to you.

Did you see the question mark at the end of the sentence?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Secrets
« on: September 10, 2012, 06:03:24 AM »
To hide the fact that God created it, they want you to believe an explosion created it.

Hold it right there... is creationism the belief of this community?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Secrets
« on: September 10, 2012, 06:01:07 AM »
To make the U.S. look technologically superior.

It's known that the only thing the US invented is sustained flight...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Eratosthenes's experiment
« on: September 08, 2012, 06:05:57 AM »
An undeniable contradiction...
Better use the orthodox zetetic method then...  ;D

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Flat Earth General / Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« on: September 08, 2012, 05:49:20 AM »
I used some school trigonometry on the RE model to calculate the maximum distance a person inside an airplane travelling at 12 km altitude can see plus the maximum distance a person on an 8000m mountain can see. Adding those distances I would get something between 700 and 800 km.

So I reckon I must've been closer to the mountain range, and my claim was wrong.

But hey, I read about a maximum visibility of 390 km at sea level somewhere in this thread... And I see another calculation that states that if the sun light has to travel for more than 300 km though the air, it's lights off! What's the next step?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Eratosthenes's experiment
« on: September 08, 2012, 04:36:42 AM »
My first shot was wiki of course. But in this case it was not really important to know the tilt of the earth, because it was really about the difference of angles, and at that time that spot in Aswan was perpendicular to the sun. Now, the tropic of cancer moves from year to year, this picture is very interesting... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tr%C3%B3pico_de_C%C3%A1ncer_en_M%C3%A9xico_-_Carretera_83_(V%C3%ADa_Corta)_Zaragoza-Victoria,_Km_27%2B800.jpg

It shows the exact position of the tropic of cancer. It seems to shift about 5m per year, so if the experiment in Egypt was done, say, by measuring the 2 angles 2 or even 3 years apart, we would get tesults that would not differ in a magnitude of 1000 miles. This is just an estimation, but I will do some further research... Bear with me.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Eratosthenes's experiment
« on: September 08, 2012, 03:02:55 AM »
Do you think Eratosthenes is an invention of NASA? No, I didn't measure the angle myself, and I have to rely on online sources. Now what?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Eratosthenes's experiment
« on: September 08, 2012, 02:42:13 AM »
Can there be a 2.25 degree bend in space and time? Your approach is not Zetetic. You already have an answer in mind before you investigate. This is the most common fault with scientific method. You are looking for something, you find something and you equate it to be what your looking for. A Zetetic approach ensures you only draw conclusions from direct observation.

Ok, let's go zetetic. The angle in Aswan is perpendicular, in Alexandria it's 7.25 off, the distance is 510 miles, hence the sun is 4000 miles away. Where's the error?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Eratosthenes's experiment
« on: September 07, 2012, 07:08:33 PM »
Something has been bugging me for a while. Eratosthenes measured the earth circumference by measuring the difference of the angles the sun rays would fall in Aswan and Alexandria. The assumption was of course that the earth is round and the sun is "virtually" infinitely distant. But between the 2 models there is a difference in the angles. In the real world the angle of the midday sun falling on Alexandria on the summer solstice is 7.25 degrees, while in the FE model it's 9.5. Assuming the atmosphere causes some level of refraction, can there be a 2.25 degree bend in the light, if at all?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why is it that...
« on: September 07, 2012, 06:12:09 AM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect#Draining_in_bathtubs_and_toilets
It does effect the water in your tub/toilet!

In contrast to the above, water rotation in home bathrooms under normal circumstances is not related to the Coriolis effect or to the rotation of the earth, and no consistent difference in rotation direction between toilets in the northern and southern hemispheres can be observed.

 ::)

You missed the part below where it essentially says if the water's sitting still for long enough, that it would have an effect, however small, on the rotation of the descending water.

Perhaps you missed where it said that the effect can only be observed in carefully controlled laboratory conditions.  That would distinctly rule out "the water in your tub/toilet".

Yet if it were a tub/toilet in a carefully controlled laboratory condition (which I could easily set up in my basement), then it could be done. The objects were not excluded, just the conditions that they're normally under. I could also set these conditions in my own bathroom if I so desired.

Trust me, this stuff is all asymmetric, inflow direction of flush water, drain direction, and the mood of the worker who molded the toilet... All have a greater influence on the water flow than the Coriolis effect. But I. Believe that a large circular tank with the drain exactly in the middle would give a more trustable result.

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Flat Earth General / Re: FE Wiki: The "Burden of Proof" page
« on: September 06, 2012, 06:28:51 AM »
I think extraordinary can be defined by either considering the claim unreasonable, but in this case it's really just a point of view, or, because this is after all the FES, anything external to the core belief of this society.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Earth's rotation
« on: September 05, 2012, 10:27:28 PM »
Who said that?  ???   And what does that have to do with the picture which clearly shows the stars diverging from eachother at the equator?

It's a perspective "thing". Assuming the paths in front of the camera belong to "rising" stars, if you had a picture of the sky "behind" the camera with the same lens, they would appear to converge again. When we look with the naked eye, we wouldn't perceive those paths as diverging (maybe concentric, but that's still sort of parallel), if they were just plotted in the sky.
In fact, no photo can really replace the image an eye can see.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why is it that...
« on: September 05, 2012, 09:46:27 PM »
Wind is caused by the pressure differences. Air moves from areas of low pressure to areas of high pressure. The main cause behind these pressure differences is the sun passing over various areas of the earth. The atmosphere of a heated area is at a higher pressure than an unheated area, and hence wind will result from air moving from one environment to the other in attempt to equalize the pressure differences.

EEEENH - wrong!

Air is cycling, so that in the centre of the low pressure area it is rising (which causes the low pressure). This means at low altitude the air moves from the high pressure area to the low pressure area, while at high altitude it is moving away from the low pressure area. The air falls then over high pressure areas, creating clear weather, no matter cold or hot.

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Flat Earth General / Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« on: September 05, 2012, 09:35:09 PM »
Use your imagination.
The rhetoric for Round Earthers for thousands of years. The prosecution rests, Your Honour.

C'mon, don't be petty... let me rephrase:

Use your "inventive talent": 2 first surface mirrors, one laser, whatever gear is needed for precise placing. It will not be difficult to set up a zetetic experiment to determine the transparency of the atmosphere.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why is it that...
« on: September 05, 2012, 07:21:10 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect#Draining_in_bathtubs_and_toilets
It does effect the water in your tub/toilet!
It doesn't. And that very article even says that. Perhaps the specially built tank might hint a result, but for consistency the experiment must at least be repeated at 42° S with similar results.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Stars in the southern hemisphere
« on: September 05, 2012, 06:51:27 PM »
Ok. We imagine 2 adjacent circles, called celestial gears, floating 3100 miles above the earth, dotted with stars. We didn't figure out what is outside those 2 cogs

Nothing in particular.

Well, then you can say that Aristotle was right, and his concept will be valid for millennia, but his perspective was out of Greece. In that context, the major gears (considered that there are more) for the northern and southern stars, would meet at the European longitudes.

Meanwhile, the world is connected, and we have bright heads all over the place. Now, from my perspective (southeast Asia, near the equator), when the inter-tropical convergence gives me a break
and the sky is not overcast for a change, I can see stars right above my position, and those stars are in either of those 'cogs'. Here is the core of this contradiction.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Seasons and lighting
« on: September 05, 2012, 06:24:45 PM »
Internet calculators don't show that the sunrise times match. They are calculators, not observers. No one went out to every point on earth to verify that the predictions throughout the year.

Is this a question of deltas? How much accuracy do you need? I suppose that a person who has been to 3 of those places and said "yeah, it's quite correct", would still not satisfy you, because the person cannot be in 3 places at the same time, and on the 21st of March 2010, 2011 and 2012 things might dramatically have changed?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Seasons and lighting
« on: September 05, 2012, 05:57:41 PM »
I have chosen major cities so it's easily verifiable by extrapolation. The question that follows is: if the times were true, would the map be accurate to a certain degree?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Lost all Hope in Humanity....
« on: September 05, 2012, 06:59:26 AM »
What's wrong with hot south America? The southern tip is called Tierra del Fuego. Sounds hot to me...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Stars in the southern hemisphere
« on: September 05, 2012, 06:51:34 AM »
Ok. We imagine 2 adjacent circles, called celestial gears, floating 3100 miles above the earth, dotted with stars. We didn't figure out what is outside those 2 cogs

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Flat Earth General / Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« on: September 05, 2012, 05:55:49 AM »
The atmosphere is not perfectly transparent.

Something tells me you just dodged a bullet  ;D

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Seasons and lighting
« on: September 05, 2012, 02:42:53 AM »
OK, since...

2) If someone asks about say, sunrise times, right now I have absolutely no motivation to answer it. Partly because the answer is already there and the people asking should know how to use the search function by now. However I would make the effort to do the subject again if it wasn't there already, discussed in every manner possible.

...getting the times from the web is OK, I will fill in the times by myself

At what time, on 21st March are the following events happening? Please use UTC times.

Irkutsk sunset: 11:18
Ulanbaatar sunset: 11:07
Chengdu sunset: 11:16
Singapore sunset: 11:15
Perth sunset: 10:26

New York City sunrise: 10:57
Port au Prince sunrise: 10:52
Bogota sunrise: 11:00
Lima sunrise: 11:12
Santiago de Chile sunrise: 10:47

Security question: is the sun shining during either of those events in:

London? Yes
Tripoli? Yes
Cape Town? Yes

I actually expected 11:00 UTC
Perth aside, because it's really significantly further east, all times divert by less than +- 20 minutes.

This proves that the Equinox day/night map I uploaded is accurate, and the spotlight theory needs to be revised.

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The Lounge / Re: I'm new Hi
« on: September 04, 2012, 10:57:49 PM »
Hi everyone Im just as insane as all of you who believe this crap. i actually believe the earth is a octagon, and everything moves around humans as they stand still and walking is just our brains tricking us.

Oh my god, please help me  :o I think I'm getting assimilated!

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Flat Earth General / Re: When did the conspiracy start?
« on: September 04, 2012, 09:54:19 PM »
I challenge that. It is not possible to see 1000+ km away through the atmosphere.

Why not?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Seasons and lighting
« on: September 04, 2012, 09:00:08 PM »
high altitude photos shows us what appears to be a circle. isnt that where the idea came from in the first place? it would be nice to see a better picture of the 'spotlight' than whats available in the faq.
what makes people think it would be a different shape? given i had a very hard time drawing a circle and still lighting up the lit portion of the earth. i think it was feb 3 or 4th this year? the sun wasnt even above the earth anymore. no wonder the weather was so cold.

Where is the available spotlight picture in the FAQ? These embedded links are quite troublesome, at least to me... please link, thanks!

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