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Flat Earth Q&A / Just out of interest
« on: January 12, 2013, 07:01:18 AM »
I was thinking, for people who believe FET what would it take for you to then believe that the earth is round? I imagine this will differ from person to person, and or course some people will never be able to be convinced. But personally for you, what would it take?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Whats the explanation behind the ISS?
« on: August 28, 2012, 08:06:14 AM »
Fantastic...

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Flat Earth General / Re: Conspiracy Theor yquestions
« on: August 28, 2012, 07:54:09 AM »
But why lie from the beginning? When (to you anyway) the truth is so much more obvious and believable

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Whats the explanation behind the ISS?
« on: August 28, 2012, 07:52:53 AM »
And im assuming you think it lands then?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Whats the explanation behind the ISS?
« on: August 28, 2012, 07:03:40 AM »
So by that do you mean it isn't in earth's orbit? Then how is it up there?

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Flat Earth General / Conspiracy Theor yquestions
« on: August 28, 2012, 07:02:37 AM »
Q: "What is the motive behind this Conspiracy?"

A: Although their main objective can only be speculated upon, the most favored theory is that of financial gain.  In a nutshell, it would logically cost much less to fake a space program than to actually have one, so those in on the Conspiracy profit from the funding NASA and other space agencies receive from the government.

Q: "If you're not sure about the motive, why do you say there is a conspiracy?"

A: Well it's quite simple really; if the Earth is in fact flat, then the space agencies must be lying when they say it isn't.

 This is a quote from the FAQ. What I dont understand, is IF the earth was so obviously flat, and we RE'ers only believe the earth is round because of all the lies we have been fed by the people we look to for these answers since we were born, why would the government not lie about the earth being flat? As you all say, there is so much more sensorial evidence in our every day lives to suggest that it is flat rather than a speroid, so surely -if they were lying for the sake of financial gain, rather than solely to tell us a lie- then they would tell us something that you all claim is so obvious, and would therefore clearly be more believable. I find the FAQ to be inadequate, it really needs some work

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Whats the explanation behind the ISS?
« on: August 28, 2012, 06:52:56 AM »
As far as I can see it just degrades into another argument without and progress being made. A lot of the information I have read is wholly contradictory, the FAQ says that satellites do not exist, yet you say you have seen the ISS. What is your view then on how it is up there? Not what is it, im not really concerned about that. Im more aiming at the point that people all around the world see it all to often, at different times

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Flat Earth Q&A / Whats the explanation behind the ISS?
« on: August 28, 2012, 06:44:34 AM »
Im interested to see what FE theory would say about the ISS, ive raid that satellites and other man made equipment do not exist. Is it being fictional the general belief among flat earthers despite many, many people have seen it in the sky, and through a telescope?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why is sustained space travel impossible?
« on: August 28, 2012, 06:40:56 AM »
So what about the ISS?

Have you actually attempted to observe this contraption? If you think that is a 227 ton man made object floating around up there then you are mistaken.

Say i were to fly my space craft over the ice wall and away from earth, perpendicular to the direction in which the disk is moving, what external physical factors would be affecting me then? Would continuous power still be required?

You have a space craft?

Yes, I have observed the ISS several times. Also through a telescope. A lot of people I know have, and many, many more around the planet have seen it too. So what is your explanation for that?

Also, whether I have a space craft or not isn't really important. It's clearly a hypothetical question. So the question still stands. By the way I love how you dodge every question you seem unable to answer, shows a lot of confidence in your beliefs....such a troll  :P

Sutained space flight shouldn't be a problem as long as the person does not try and maintain a position above the earth. Good luck returning home though.

This is a more suitable answer to my question. So sustained space flight is not impossible?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why is sustained space travel impossible?
« on: August 27, 2012, 07:35:50 PM »
So what about the ISS? Thats been up there a while. Say i were to fly my space craft over the ice wall and away from earth, perpendicular to the direction in which the disk is moving, what external physical factors would be affecting me then? Would continuous power still be required?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why is sustained space travel impossible?
« on: August 27, 2012, 02:51:22 PM »
A lot of people have been through this before, you fall to earth just as much as it comes up to meet you, this hardly support that the earth is moving upwards towards us.  So what causes it to accelerate like you say? Is this concept the same of all of space? Why could one not just fly ojt lf the way earth is travelling? Would you then not be able to sustain space flight?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why is sustained space travel impossible?
« on: August 27, 2012, 02:42:56 PM »
So why is the earth accelerating? Do you have anything to suggest this is the case or is it just speculation?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: So what do you FE'ers think about this?
« on: August 27, 2012, 02:41:32 PM »
But how can you possibly quantify and judge how much 'pseudo curvature' you would see?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why is sustained space travel impossible?
« on: August 27, 2012, 02:14:27 PM »
Sounded simple enough to me. Why would an object need to be continuously powered to sustain space flight? Most people would say that a powered object that cut its propulsion would continue to move at the same speed under its own inertia. What is your take on this?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: So what do you FE'ers think about this?
« on: August 27, 2012, 02:05:35 PM »
Can you elaborate?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why is sustained space travel impossible?
« on: August 27, 2012, 02:03:53 PM »
And why would it need sustained energy? What about the object's inertia?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Why is sustained space travel impossible?
« on: August 27, 2012, 01:45:06 PM »
I saw this in the faq but i couldnt find anything elaborating on this. Can anyone shed any light?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: So what do you FE'ers think about this?
« on: August 27, 2012, 12:57:58 PM »
A sphere would show a great deal more curvature than this picture shows. It is obviously just the lit portion of a disc.

But hold on...I thought....

The picture says 34km when the school said it only reached 33km, fascinating. Furthermore, even on a round Earth one would not see any real curvature from that height. That is pseudo-curvature caused by the horizon.

Yeah, now you've really lost me...

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: So what do you FE'ers think about this?
« on: August 27, 2012, 11:49:54 AM »
So its exactly what a disk should look like from that height but not a sphere?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: So what do you FE'ers think about this?
« on: August 27, 2012, 11:19:13 AM »
The picture says 34km when the school said it only reached 33km, fascinating.

What exactly is your point?

That is pseudo-curvature caused by the horizon.

So it isn't really round after all, it only looks that way right?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A question of why?
« on: August 26, 2012, 05:06:28 PM »
Thank you for confirming you are of limited intellect.
Once ENAG has been read, if you have any sense you join the RE side. If you prefer to accept - without question - Rowbotham's anecdotal accounts and provable errors of physics, then it proves you selectively ignore reality and are therefore a little bit deficient in brainpower.

Actually, denying "reality" would require a lot more intellect than accepting it. As only a sentient and advanced mind can understand reality as an abstract idea rather than a concrete fact. A dog, for example, could never judge reality as an abstract form and can only accept it as what it is. The average RE'er is constantly fed "reality" and accepts it as-is because it was all they were ever given. They don't question it, because they either don't want to, or more likely: can't. RE'ers that remain to be RE'ers after repeated viewing of this forum are of lower mind than even the dullest FE'er.

This is precisely my point. That is a statement of fact. And yet it is completely false. A lot of the time it sounds like you people are arguing for the sake of having your own opinion. So personally for you then, what is it that makes you believe the earth is flat. Other than because it looks like it, because that is hardly a convincing argument

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A question of why?
« on: August 26, 2012, 10:15:23 AM »
Im generally interested to hear what they have to say. It would be a fascinating concept (such as ringworlds or a dyson sphere) if they cared to explain a little more. Even the dyson sphere seems more grounded in reality than what these people are saying

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A question of why?
« on: August 26, 2012, 07:19:41 AM »
So then what is this evidence? Im curious. And the FAQ about this view of the earth is not enough, its very narrow minded. So im asking for other peoples views on what they believe

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A question of why?
« on: August 26, 2012, 06:01:36 AM »
As i said, all of the 'answers' ive found are impossibly rhetorical. All ive seen is people ask the same questions back as to how people know the earth is round. Given that this theory, if its even worth considering would be so monumental it would be nice to ask the question and just be completely blown away by a perfectly constructed, and factually backed up argument in your case. The FAQ says that the earth is flat, therefore nasa are lying. Thats passed off as a fact. So what have you seen that proves this to that extent. Im looking for something concrete

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Flat Earth Debate / A question of why?
« on: August 26, 2012, 04:00:07 AM »
Hey, ive been looking on these forums for a little while and ive found it quite difficult to find any evidence which supports your belief that the earth is flat. The majority of efforts seem to be put into refuting any evidence provided for RET, and the majority of responses tend to be very rhetorical. Ive seen a few people say you have empirical evidence, and if everyone looked out their window they would see the earth is flat. But this doesnt seem to be substantial enough to support such a claim, when after all your physical perspective of the earth leaves a lot to be desired. I am generally interested, if someone could clarity exactly 'why' you believe in what you believe?

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