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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Google Doodle - 9/18 - Foucault Pendulum

« on: September 23, 2013, 09:31:42 AM »

Late to this thread, but here is further experimental evidence that verifies the original findings of Foucault Pendulum.

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">PS Move detects Earth's rotation

Is the data from this experiment also subject to the spectre of celestial gravitation?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Flat Earth Forums Are A Moderation Wasteland

« on: September 13, 2013, 12:20:38 PM »

I think the cleanest action that would facilitate the least amount of confusion would be to have one of our venerated moderators split or move threads from Q&A to Debate or another appropriate forum should the discussion warrant it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Distance from the Earth to the Moon ? Ham Radio vs. Flat Earth Measurements.

« on: September 11, 2013, 10:20:25 AM »

Rushy - are you still gainfully employed by the conspiracy using technology to track satellites?

I remember you making that claim years ago.

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,51942.msg1273868.html#msg1273868

Perhaps you could aim those signals at the moon?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Gravity in Application

« on: August 27, 2013, 03:30:16 PM »

Interesting conversation,

I believe you claimed to be a geologist at one point -

I myself believe in a Flat Earth not because of religion, but as a result of my own observations, experiments, and scientific proofs. I'm an atheist who came to the conclusion of a Flat Earth because it makes vastly more scientific sense than a Round Earth. I hold a Masters in Geology from U.C. Berkley.

There are certain observations that could only occur because of a Flat Earth.

Do you use any such devices in your field?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Rowbotham's Perspective

« on: August 22, 2013, 08:56:20 AM »

Rowbotham's perspective is demonstrably false as the horizon lies below a centered theodolite levelled towards the horizon, and the distance between the theodolites 'level-line' and the horizon will increase with altitude.

Rowbotham acknowledges this in his passage 'Tangential Horizon'

http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za45.htm

He attempts to explain it away by saying that this is a result of 'collimation' faulty optics.

Modern surveying equipment can correct for any inherent Y axis errors that might exist as part of the pre-use calibration routine.

I encourage anyone who still subscribes to Rowbothams interpretations on perspective to rent a Theodolite and do thier own research.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Edgar Mitchell - 6th man on the moon.

« on: August 21, 2013, 10:37:07 AM »

Perhaps he might agree to be interviewed by Daniel/Wilmore/James as part of the podcast for his role in the conspiracy.

Anyone have any suggestions on the best way to approach him?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Forum restructure

« on: August 06, 2013, 10:45:16 AM »

Mmmm, nah. I'll put my cynical hat back on.

We want noobs to come here and ask questions. That way they make an account and participate replenishing the normal rate of user attrition. Answering everything in a super FAQ sounds great, but has the potential to drive away lots of people who may have otherwise asked us something. The point of this site is debate. Its not wikipedia.

I'll add, that the "asked a billion times questions" aren't supposed to be answered by poor old buggers like me for the 10,000 time. If a new flat earther sees such a question and has seen the answer, they can then get their feet wet in a relatively safe environment knowing how that conversation will pan out.

So in a way, I don't see it as a failed FAQ. I see it as a failed recruiting process. We aren't converting enough noobs into FErs who will fight for the FES.

How you go about that is far too cynical for me to divulge in public, but should be addressed by Wilmore and his brethren in the sanctity of the super-secret forum. We need more FErs because that's the reason people come to the site and those new FErs should be cutting their teeth on questions like "Explain tides" or "Show me a map, idiots!". The problem is convincing selfish arseholes like Markjo to help out and take some of the load instead of increasing it ... but he's not a team player. He's a jerk. And there are many like him.

Why do we want 'noobs' to come here and ask us questions?

It seems to me that's what is driving down the content of the upper forums and holding back progress.

Lets merge the best parts of debate into the FEB forums and allow posts there via moderator proxy.

'La Populace' will be limited to the lower forums where they can annoy each other an echo chamber, or find another forum.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Forum restructure

« on: August 05, 2013, 03:40:09 PM »

If I may offer a suggestion along the lines of this thread.

An ever increasing theme dominating the discussion is how Round Earthers feel we owe them validation for our beliefs.

They come here and insult us, refuse to use the search function, and demand that we amuse them - thereby clogging up any progress and eliminating civilized discourse.

I admire the efforts of those of you like Aevan who feel up to spoon feeding the masses, but I imagine you all are sick of having to explain to people for the millionth time the answers to the most basic questions about Flat Earth Theory.

I say we lock it all down. Eliminate most of the upper forums and remove the means for Angry Noobs to annoy us.  If they try to annoy us on the other forums the moderators can rightfully move the innane banter to the CN.

If anyone has anything to add to Flat Earth Theory and hasnt earned assess to FEB they can message Wilmore or someone to post on thier behalf.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The MIT Balloon experiment analyzed as it pertains to Flat Earth Theory.

« on: July 18, 2013, 05:24:19 PM »

Here is another photo from a series located at http://www.flickr.com/photos/liegelr/sets/72157624530196449/



It appears that the sun's path takes it over the edge of the disk.

This brings into doubt the entirety of the 'infinite plane' model.

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Flat Earth General / The MIT Balloon experiment analyzed as it pertains to Flat Earth Theory.

« on: July 18, 2013, 11:09:44 AM »

This experiment was brought up in another thread and I wanted to start a conversation about what we can learn and observe from it.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/the-150-space-camera-mit-students-beat-nasa-on-beer-money-budget/

Particularly this picture here:



The camera was launched at 11:45 AM from Sturbridge, MA.  When this picture was taken the camera appears to be floating some distance above Hartford, CT looking south-southwest  - you can see interstate 84 leading into downtown Hartford in the foreground, along with Wangumbaugh Lake in the lower part of the picture.

What we learn from this picture is that as we are looking down at the lit part of the disk, it appears that New Jersey - as well as much of the southern half of the east coast - is still experiencing nighttime around noon.

Do we have any forum users from New Jersey that can verify these findings?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: "Weightlessness" and faked video evidence

« on: July 16, 2013, 10:12:36 AM »

If it's dense enough such that rolls of tape are neutrally boyant, humans would float directly to the top. If it's more viscous than air, it'd visibly hamper the astronauts' motion.

Could it be the case that these sorts of issues are forseen before shooting and the appropriate actors are counterweighted appropriately?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: "Weightlessness" and faked video evidence

« on: July 16, 2013, 09:57:54 AM »

Not to mention a) liquid oxygen is extremely corrosive and extremely cold and b) floating through a liquid looks entirely different than floating through air. And rolls of tape don't float in any liquid that would support a human.

Perhaps the breathable liquid they are using is more viscous, dense and less corrosive then pure liquid oxygen. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: "Weightlessness" and faked video evidence

« on: July 16, 2013, 09:12:10 AM »

I think it would a minor effort and expense to add in voices after shooting the initial 'weightless' footage.

This is nothing but conjecture of course, just saying its possible.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: "Weightlessness" and faked video evidence

« on: July 16, 2013, 08:54:56 AM »

I believe they might be suspended in a transparent form of liquid oxygen or other breathable liquid. 

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Suggestions & Concerns / An appeal to return to our Zetetic roots.

« on: July 01, 2013, 12:14:44 PM »

The narrative of this forum has gone way off-course.

The classic aims of Zeteticism - which are to use simple experiments and observation trace phenomena to its demonstrable cause -  seem to have fallen by the wayside and the members of this society are engaging more and more into the irresponsible practice of theory and conjecture.

I would like to appeal to forum management to come up with a way to discourage rampant theorymongering.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Gravity is atmosphere v mass/weight.

« on: June 27, 2013, 08:56:50 AM »

Here is one experiment you can perform to validate your assertion -

Place a ball bearing inside a scuba tank and fill it to its prescribed PSI - which is around 3000 if memory serves.

The ball bearing is now completely isolated from atmospheric pressures.  Slowly roll the tank and listen to hear if the ball bearing moves inside.

If the ball bearing rolls around in a manner that indicates it is still being effected by the earths gravitation your assertion needs more work.

edit:

Now that I think about it dont certain aerisol devices contain a ball bearing inside the canister for the purposes of agitating and mixing the chemicals contained when shaken?  That should work as well.

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Flat Earth General / Re: EVA right now!

« on: June 24, 2013, 05:14:55 PM »

Perhaps the men at the top of the power structure have found a way to monetize their knowledge of the true shape of the earth, and are funding the production of vast amounts of media through back channels?

Or, maybe there is another alien force at work that is using technology not available to us to provide ultra convincing fabricated content?

Interesting thoughts but that line of reasoning is dangeriously theoretical.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Gravity is atmosphere v mass/weight.

« on: June 24, 2013, 05:08:49 PM »

To the OP - what experiments have you conducted to arrive at the conclusion that we are encased in an ice dome?

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Flat Earth General / Re: EVA right now!

« on: June 24, 2013, 05:06:38 PM »

I wonder who is on the hook for funding this deception - would it entirely be NASA? or the respective agencies from the other member nations who contribute to the ISS program.

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Flat Earth General / Re: EVA right now!

« on: June 24, 2013, 11:44:59 AM »

This is some impressive effects work by our rivals at NASA.

Of particular note is the mirror on the back of the actors hand, the reflection every so often shows the studio lights.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Samuel Rowbotham's education?

« on: June 18, 2013, 02:12:35 PM »

I exhausted the resources at the Wellcome Library in London to try and find Samuel Birley Rowbotham and his other alias's in the listings of medical degrees awarded during the 1820-1850 time period but was not successful.

I have not given up however, hopefully some more recent inquiries into the offices of the University of Edinburgh will prove useful.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: John Davis is abusing his powers

« on: May 24, 2013, 12:05:57 PM »

I agree with Thork's judgement call in this case.

Its unfortunate that he was punished for doing his job, I support any efforts that make the forums less chaotic.

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The Lounge / Re: Alcohol

« on: April 25, 2013, 12:54:19 PM »

Wormwood Bitter.

I have a pre-war bottle of Absinthe Lyonnaise that i've been staring on and off again for over 20 years, havent worked up the guts to open it yet.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Dispute with Curatorship

« on: April 25, 2013, 09:00:23 AM »

That counts as a warning regarding what the topic was about. Meaning you should have posted in here afterwards (no matter who the warning was addressed to). As per the rules.

Usually official voices of the forum are portrayed in a cogent manner with your usual standards of candor and decorum.   

Your subsequent contributions were also off-topic, and belonged in S&C. Finally, it is totally reasonable to lay out specific topic-boundaries in an OP (and this frequently occurs).

No such guidelines were layed out in his OP - it was only after his original assertion was contested that he started censoring replies.  Flat Earth General is a debate forum, and the censored replies to his OP were indeed on topic as they addressed the content in the OP within the boundries set by both the rules and forum guidelines.

You were not even banned. You were threatened with being banned, otherwise known as a warning. Thork can do that. He should have done so earlier, but that is all that seems wrong in this case. This is a fuss over nothing.

You state that like the abilities and role of the Curator are clear.  Prior to this dispute I had no idea concerning the role of the Curator.  kindly direct me to where they are documented so I can educate myself.

I stand by my correct assertion that if he made his original post in the correct forum he would be justified in the manner in which he used his abilities as curator to police it.   I should not have been censored or threatened with banning. 

As it appears that the Curator is in fact impotent and his threats were empty, the point is moot anyway.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Dispute with Curatorship

« on: April 24, 2013, 05:23:52 PM »

You were breaking the rules, as your post was off-topic. But Thork should have warned you explicitly from the start. I have said as much.


Calling this censorship is nonsensical dramatics given how often the issue is discussed. It is important for the forum that threads are not clogged with disputes about what should be posted where. This is a contentious place, and such bickering sours discussion.


He should have warned you, that is all.

I broke no rules - my response was to this post in his thread

I ask you to lurk moar? There are so many threads about Wallace and that case. Get out of my thread with your petulance. This thread is about the other things Wallace did in his life. Its about everything except that case.

To which I responded

If you desire serious discussion about aspects of AR Wallace career aside from his role in flat-earth folklore, perhaps you could ask a moderator to move this thread to the science portion of the lower forums.

So yes - it was on topic.

I'm not objecting to him moving my posts as much as the others in the thread dealing with the wager.  Like Markjo said, if he didnt want to have a discussion about the flat earth movement he shouldnt have posted his thread in flat earth general. 

Do curators have the ability to move their own threads?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Dispute with Curatorship

« on: April 24, 2013, 05:10:53 PM »

I saw the thread title and thought "Damnit Thork!"

It seems to me that two things occurred.

1. Kendrick posted off topic.  It was a very specific topic so easy to post off topic in.
2. Thork reacted with threats of bans, which he does often.
3. Kendrick doesn't know Thork's barks are worse than his bites.

If I had to put anyone at fault, I'd put Thork for not being nice enough with a close second being Kendrick for posting off topic and annoying the OP.

I did not bring up the wager in any of my posts in that thread.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Dispute with Curatorship

« on: April 24, 2013, 04:59:57 PM »

I had no idea my posts were being moved, I had no idea there was a problem until I started getting venomous personal messages.  I thought there might be a problem with my browser or internet connection.

Should Curator abilities be used to censor contributions that do not break the rules or forum guidelines?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Dispute with Curatorship

« on: April 24, 2013, 04:45:59 PM »

That said, Thork, explicit warnings following removals, please. I know Kendrick knew full well he was doing something wrong, but it helps if you tell people what they are doing wrong.

I suggested that Thork find someone to move his thread to a more appropriate forum if he objected so strongly to the angle in which people were discussing its content, and I was right.

If Thork doesn't want to discuss Wallace's relationship with the Flat Earth movement, then perhaps he shouldn't have started the thread in Flat Earth General.  If he wants to discuss its merit as a documentary, then Arts and Entertainment would seem appropriate.  If he wants to discuss Wallace's scientific contributions (outside of FET), then Science and Alternative Science would be appropriate.  If he wants to discuss Wallace as a person, then The Lounge might be a good choice.

My point is that there boards that are much more appropriate for that thread.  Even though FEG isn't necessarily for discussion of FET, it is still where Flat Earth General topics are discussed.   If Thork wants to have a non-FE Wallace discussion, then he should do it in a non-FE board.

Precisely.

Kindly elaborate what I did wrong and how I 'knew full well' I was doing it.

Curator abilities should not be used to censor posts that do not break the rules.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Dispute with Curatorship

« on: April 24, 2013, 03:08:04 PM »

This is akin to someone loading up a wagon with bananas, hanging a sign on it saying 'NO MONKEYS' then wheeling it into the monkey cage at the zoo and shooting any monkey who approached it.

I like to think that most of the posters here are capable of acting with more dignity than a monkey. Noone was shot. You were asked to post on the topic of the documentary. There are scores of other threads within which you may discuss the Wager.

Kendrick only asked for the thread to be moves to another forum and for this he was threatened with banning. I was the person who was allegedly posting off-topic, although I could make a plausible argument that I was not. Do not accuse Kendrick of posting off-topic as he was directly addressing the nature of a discussion on AR Wallace's career aside from the Bedford Level Experiment.

Which is also annoying since he wants the thread moved to the science section.... wut. His suggestion makes no sense and he has no authority to do it himself so he can hush.

If you desire serious discussion about aspects of AR Wallace career aside from his role in flat-earth folklore, perhaps you could ask a moderator to move this thread to the science portion of the lower forums.

Also this post keeps being deleted, not sure why.

"If you want to talk about Wallace's life, move this to the science forum please."

lol, that makes sense.

You seem like a genuinely nice and compassionate person and I'm unaware what I have done to provoke your ire.

The bottom line is that the Forum Curator should not be censoring replies to his threads that do not break forum rules or guidelines.

I hope this sentiment was recieved with the respect with which it was intended.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Dispute with Curatorship

« on: April 24, 2013, 12:59:07 PM »

Here you can freely discuss about the Flat Earth Society or the Flat Earth movement in general. For example, if you want to ask questions about The Conspiracy, flat earth believers and their beliefs, or anything else not related to Flat Earth Theory, this is the place for it. If you wish to discuss Flat Earth Theory itself, you should go to Flat Earth Q&A or Flat Earth Debate.

The Forum Curator posted a thread in the forum with the above guidelines then abused his abilities by censoring people who chose to address its content from the perspective of 'flat earth believers or flat earth beliefs'.

This is akin to someone loading up a wagon with bananas, hanging a sign on it saying 'NO MONKEYS' then wheeling it into the monkey cage at the zoo and shooting any monkey who approached it.

I gently reminded him that there was a forum for discussing science away from flat earth belief and was additionally sensored and threatened with being banned.  If he wanted to keep the monkeys away from his banana's he would be better off wheeling his wagon into the Tapir habitat.

This abuse of curator abilities is what I am disputing.