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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 14, 2012, 06:48:57 PM »
again... since, in your utter denial, you pretend not to have seen it the first time I posted it, that has NOTHING... nothing!!! to do with flat earth theory.  nothing.  at all.  He was talking about his theories on time travel and such.  not flat earth.

A brief history in time contains a joke about the earth being flat.  A joke.  Stephen Hawking did not believe in flat earth. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 14, 2012, 05:58:46 AM »
One note on Stephen Hawking...  Are you basing your belief on his quote in "A brief history in time"?  Because if so, you're sorely mistaken.  He used a joke about a flat earth belief.

Also that journalist's opinion that he was wrong had nothing whatsoever to do with any flat earth belief.  He was attacking other theories.  Please start doing your homework.  Stop making such idiotic claims.  It's... not a way to present your case.

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Then why aren't you using computers to map out this "flat earth" your imagining?  What's stopping you?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 14, 2012, 04:56:09 AM »
I couldn't read that rubbish.  Stephen Hawking was not battered and beaten and tortured by NASA.  He's got a neurological disease called ALS.  Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis. I did a research paper on it for my Biology Course.  I'm going into Biomedical Electronics.  It's a change from what I did in the NAVY which was Avionics, but I'm sure I'll enjoy it.  Besides, I like to be well rounded.

Accusing the most brilliant mind since Einstein of being "wrong" or "silenced" or "tortured" or "controlled" is just absolute nonsense.  So instead of simply providing a mass of evidence that includes mathematical equations, formulas, data, hell, even satellite imagery, you simply say "The world hates us" and call it good?

I am willing to bet, hell, I am actually convinced that everyone here relies on weather reports.  You check the weather before you go outside or you check the forecast for the week....

That's provided by .... wait for it.... satellites in space!!!!  They map the entire globe!  Yes, yes, yes, that's proof that there IS no conspiracy!  There isn't a single square inch of the globe that hasn't been mapped out publicly!  And you KNOW this because you use the technology that's mapping out the world every single day!  It's impossible not to! 

The world has become so technologically enhanced that to believe the earth is flat, you don't need total ignorance- you need complete denial.  Ignorance isn't even good enough anymore.  Not one of you here has been able to tell me how the earth and all of the planets just spawned FLAT!   You can't do it.  Physics requires that the planets form into spheres.  It's what physics does... it's the easiest shape to have happened.  The universe was not created by any god or architect and I have seen no evidence that anyone here thinks that it was so that just leaves the laws of science to do what is impossible.  But hey, as long as you call everyone liars and victims, you can go right on using the very technology that you say doesn't exist while knowing nothing about the world your imagining.

I sign off now.  I have asked my questions and have received no answers.  I must admit, I was a bit disappointed by the lack of knowledge here.  If you're going to imagine a world, you should know everything about it.  I mean, people have been imagining a flat earth for around 500,000 years.  It wasn't until about 2,700 years ago that it was thought to be a sphere and later on it was proven to be many times over.  And yes, again, and for the last time, I've sailed the globe.  I've seen more of it than most people.  One of the benefits of being in the USN.

So long and thanks for all the fish.


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Rocket Launch Video, no fish-eye lens
« on: April 13, 2012, 07:36:50 PM »
You realize this little rocket cleared 22 miles?  That's a little amateur rocket.

What more proof do we need that getting into outer space isn't that difficult?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 13, 2012, 07:26:42 PM »
okay... convince me that the "Stephen Hawking" myth is wrong despite the massive scientific evidence there is to back it up.

Convince me with evidence of your own. 


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 12, 2012, 05:32:29 PM »
that would account for one direction.  What about sailing in the other direction?  According to SAW, it would take twice as long, yet it doesn't.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 12, 2012, 01:34:38 PM »
SAW only works if you assume no one has ever gone south of the tip of South America, Africa, or Austrialia.   SAW only works if you can work out a reason why no one ever goes to Antarctica.  And SAW only works if you rewrite the laws of physics.

To ask a simple question... why would you think no one has ever gone to Antarctica?   

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 11, 2012, 08:40:16 AM »
I don't know if you've noticed, but the distance between continents only works if the planet is spherical.  Ships do go south of all of the other continents and have radar as well as other means of tracking, not to mention accurate sea charts and communication equipment.

Trust me.... if the planet was flat, they'd know about it.

And I may have been off by a thousand, but I wouldn't say it was anymore than that.   My last ship had a crew of about 6,000 people.  It was the Abraham Lincoln, CVN - 72.   My job on carriers was Avionics.   I miss those days.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 10, 2012, 06:22:32 PM »
So, I'll ask again, then why did you stop reading?
So, I'll answer again, read the FAQ (you can read, right?) and you'll get why i stopped reading (at least i hope so,you look kinda dumb to me).
I've read the FAQ. I do not get why you stopped beyond relying on an ad hominem fallacy t avoid evidence. I am truly curious why you close your mind to such ponderous, vetted, and definitive evidence. I'm sure that you're not violating the rules* and posting conspiracy theories in the wrong forum, right?

*not a mod.
So you've read the FAQ and still ask such questions ??? You won't dodge your ignorance, you know?
So enlighten me. Why did you stop reading at 'NASA'?
Ok, read this slowly 3 or 4 times:
NASA and the rest of the world's space agencies who claim to have been to space are involved in a Conspiracy to keep the shape of the Earth hidden.

Believe it or not, NASA is not the only group in the world with telescopes.  Or RADAR.  Or Planes.  Or ships.  Or cameras.  Or satellites.  And when an aircraft carrier goes out to sea, that's about 8,000 people if you include the escort ships sailing around the world and no one has ever seen this edge of the world you keep talking about.

You have no proof.  You have no pictures.  You have no scientific data.  No eye-witnesses.  None of you have ever traveled anywhere near this edge of the world and you have no idea where the edge of the world even is or the shape of the world because everyone in the entire planet who has seen the world differently than you imagine it is called a liar.

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swing and a miss.  Try again.  You clearly misunderstood my whole post.  Completely.


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oh, I forgot... if any of you are using Dish Network, you're obviously in clear violation of your reality as it relies on orbiting satilites.

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6 billion people live on this planet.  Don't you think some of those people would have figured out the nature of the sun that revolves only a few miles up?  Or taken pictures of the edge of the earth?

If the earth was flat, don't you think there would be some videos of it?

By that same logic, don't you think that someone should have gotten some decent pictures or videos of Bigfoot, aliens, ghosts or the Loch Ness monster by now?

You're right.  Which is why, like the flat earth theory, the reason no  one has documented it is because it's not true.  Do you want to know what they HAVE documented?  A spherical earth.

My question is... how come I know more about my world than you know about yours?

I'm sorry, but argumentum ad populum is not a valid argument. Most people filter everything they see through the vase of a round Earth. It's amazing how unquestioning people can be.
Please point out to us the argumentum ad populum. Thanks. I see only a weight of evidence argument, and it's valid.

He's suggesting that because there are a lot of people on Earth and few of them have disproven it, it is somehow proven. That's far from valid and, while populum might not be a perfect representation of it, it's close enough.

In this very post and a couple of others up at the top, posts that have been made in the last 2 days, it has been said by flat earth believers that they have not proven anything about their version of the world.  One said that they don't know why the sun acts like a spotlight and another said that no one knows the shape of the earth because despite the vast amount of exploritory technology at our disposal, no one has seen it.  It was said that no one knows for sure if there is a ring of ice around it because no one has gone over to the edge to look.

That's why I said what I said.  You say that it's been PROVEN that the earth was flat, yet numerous posts made in 2 days say that it HASN'T.

Now, as for technology... You know that small box that most people use to cook their food?  The one called a microwave oven?  It runs off of radar technology.  The discovery was an accident while experimenting with radar.  Without radar, you'd have to take the oven and throw it out.  Are you familair with weather reports?  Warnings of incoming storms?  That's radar.  You'll need to stop watching cable.  Your car needs to go as well, I'm afraid.  You see, without internal combustion engines, we can't have propeller planes.  They simply wouldn't run.  Planes can be used to explore so no more driving.   Any fans you have in the house including central heating and air must go.  After all, a plane is nothing more than a giant internal combustion driven fan with curved wings.

We'll also need to confiscate your computer.  The computing power at your disposal is greater than that of the first rocket sent to the moon.  After all, that happened in the late 1960's. 

Also, you're familair with the 4th of July?  Well, not any more.  After all, if a small gunpowder filled tube can launch up 60-80 feet, then there's no way it can exist.  A larger scale rocket would be able to escape the earth's gravity.  Also, we'll need to rewrite history.  No wars ever took place.  Guns that can fire bullets a mile or more could be used to shoot satalites into space.  Missiles that can chase and catch jet planes?  Nope.  Not in this reality.  Also, ballistic missiles that can be fired from one continent to another to deliver a nuclear payload?  The cold war must have been a lie.

So now, you know nothing about science, own no computer, there are no more weather reports, you have no car, no fans, and no more television or radio.  You rely on nothing more than an old fasioned telephone wire with a switchboard operator on the other end to connect you.

Without the ability to go to space, you cannot use ANY of the technology you use today.

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6 billion people live on this planet.  Don't you think some of those people would have figured out the nature of the sun that revolves only a few miles up?  Or taken pictures of the edge of the earth?

If the earth was flat, don't you think there would be some videos of it?

By that same logic, don't you think that someone should have gotten some decent pictures or videos of Bigfoot, aliens, ghosts or the Loch Ness monster by now?

You're right.  Which is why, like the flat earth theory, the reason no  one has documented it is because it's not true.  Do you want to know what they HAVE documented?  A spherical earth.

My question is... how come I know more about my world than you know about yours?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 10, 2012, 08:52:26 AM »
it's called denial.  The technology exists.  They want to claim NASA is false because for NASA to be real, the earth must be spherical.  For the earth to be flat then there must be no way to explore it.

I have already pointed out the many ways we can use to explore our tiny little planet and they've all been denied.  I'm sure someone on this forum has been on a jet liner at some point in their lives.  That means they've been at least 5 miles up.  That cannot be admitted though because their stance is that no one can or has explored the flat earth.  No one has proven the flat earth.  No one can or ever will because in order to do so you must be able to fly.

Prove it they say?  Prove that us intelligent humans have created ways to fly?  Any evidence I present would be refused, I am sure.

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6 billion people live on this planet.  Don't you think some of those people would have figured out the nature of the sun that revolves only a few miles up?  Or taken pictures of the edge of the earth?

If the earth was flat, don't you think there would be some videos of it?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 09, 2012, 09:53:31 PM »
so how can you say there is a edge at all?

FEers say the earth is flat because they  see the flatness of earth with their own eyes, therefore earth is flat.

So how can you tell there is a icewall edge at all if FEers have not seen it?

at the most southern point on the plane there is ice. thats the ice wall.
nobody has seen whats beyond. some people do say that there is no edge, nut most believe there is an edge. but the shape of the world has not been descovered

A weather balloon can travel outside of the atmosphere.  A jetliner can fly over 6  miles up.  A spy plane can fly at the edge of the atmosphere.  A shuttle can escape the earth's gravity and a rocket can fly to the moon and back.  The technology is real.

Cameras, telescopes, super computers, etc... exist and we can see light years away.  Yet no one, not one person ever has seen the edge of the earth according to you?  Have you never seen a plane or a ship?  The ability to fly or travel on the water or beneath in a submarine?  And you honestly believe flat earthers have done all that they can to prove that what they say is true?

If you don't even know what shape your earth is then how can you defend your claim?  You're saying not one of you knows?

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I've looked about a bit and haven't been able to find anyone posting this, however If it has - Soz!

If we are to believe that the Earth is flat, the following must be true.

When the Sun rises it must illuminate all countries at the same time, Regardless of shape or land layout. When the Sun breaches the Horizon of the Disc it would shine on all countries, thus we all must experience Day and Night at the same time.

So here is a basic test that Flat Earthers can do,

1) Get 10-20 different people to from across the Globe. (Try to get a representative from all the different Continents)
2) Pick a Random Time based on 1 Time zone (For the sake of argument GMT)
3) Contact each of them at 12 PM and 12 AM (Your time) and ask them if the Sun is Up or Down

Expected Results

If the Earth is Flat then they should all tell you that the Sun is Up or Down.
If the Earth is Not Flat then they should disagree on the Suns Position.
In all but the most esoteric FE models, the Sun is always above the FE plane (or top surface of the FE cylinder--depending on the model). A bizarre and undocumented perspective effect supposedly causes the rising and setting of objects in the sky. As such, your experiment fails. Sorry.

Oh, and watch out for the "oh, that's not the model I support" and "oh, the FAQ is wrong and should be updated" excuses. FEers fail in imaginative ways.

A bizarre and undocumented effect?  In other words, you have no idea of the physics behind your firm belief yet you believe it anyway with absolutely no desire to investigate it?  Am I understanding you right?  With all of the technology at our disposal, cameras, satellites, planes, shuttles, rockets, etc, how can you possibly not investigate this?

I mean, a plane can travel at the edge of the atmosphere.  A jetliner can travel at over 35,000 feet which is over 6 miles up in the air, yet, with all of the telescopes and monitoring equipment and super computers, no one has documented and explained this "bizarre and undocumented" phenomena?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 09, 2012, 07:49:44 AM »
Heck, even the lowly fisherman will tell you that it's a sphere.
I suspect that you didn't mean "lowly". Perhaps you meant "common" or "numerous".

I mean lowly as in uneducated.  A man who has not had years and years of education.  Simply a hard working man who has seen things for himself.

That's all :)
With respect, I don't think that education, or lack thereof, makes someone "lowly".

  • low·ly/ˈlōlē/ Adjective: Low in status or importance; humble.

Insert the correct adjective.  My statement still stands as proof that the earth is indeed spherical
U mean opinion of a "lowly fisherman" is a proof?  :o

You obviously haven't read this thread.  If you had then you would have seen the part where I said that being dodgy doesn't work on me.  :)  See these senseless posts you make do nothing to dissuade or distract me.  They do however act to lead me to understand which of the 4 types of believer you are.  You'll have to go back and read the first few posts in this thread to understand what I mean by that.

In short, thanks for your input, but... try harder, please
You talk so much and still no proof. How so?

Nah.  I have proof.  As does the world.  You see, as stated in Intelligence in Debate, (the other thread I'm posting in) I have pointed out that there is an astronomical amount of proof supporting a spherical earth yet YOU seem to want to believe it's flat yet when asked for proof, you back talk, get dodgy, insult, and accuse.  You people like Psychiatrists, right?  That's called Transference.  You want to belong so you believe this flat earth conspiracy and turn your noses up at anyone who doesn't believe how you do.

I have my answer.  Not a single one of you can provide the slightest bit of evidence besides "It looks flat when I stare out of my window."  Congratulations, Clayman.  You have represented your Flat Earth Group like an idiot.


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As for who's mapped Antarctica, who hasn't?  Private Fishermen, animal rights activists, whalers, Green Peace, oceanographers, environmental protection agency, more private fishermen, explorers, oil drillers, etc...

Who HASN'T flown over it or sailed it or explore it?  I was in the Navy.  I've sailed almost every part of this globe.  I'm willing to bet I've seen more of this planet then any flat earther.

Not ONE map, photo, video, or drawing shows Antarctica as a thin ring at the edge of the earth.   If there is anyone in Australia who thinks the earth is flat then I challenge them to go talk to a private fisherman.  Ask him what he thinks of that.  There is a HUGE difference between a continent (large island) and an outer ring.

The circumference of the earth is 24,901.55 miles around the Equator.  That's the longest distance to be traveled in a straight line.  The earth is not 78,000 miles in circumference around Antarctica.  This is easily proven and it has been proven by so many people it's ridiculous.
So many words and so little sense... What's your point? Can you prove it?

You're asking me if a discrepancy of 53,000 miles can be proven?   It's easy.  GO THERE.  Travel.  I don't know one traveler who believes the earth is flat.  Not one.  I've seen most of the world.  I've met people who have seen even more than I have.  Not one traveler believes that the earth is flat.  Doesn't that tell you something?

53,000 miles.  That's the argument here.   

As I said in my thread Intelligence in Debate, there are 4 types of believers:

1. Those with proof
2. Those with only hearsay
3. Those who believe out of fear (like believing in a hell like christians do)
4. Those who believe because they want to belong to something

If no travelers believe that the world is flat then what does that tell you about the type of believer you are?
So you mean you have no proof? You look like believer type 2.

Nah.  I have proof.  As does the world.  You see, as stated in Intelligence in Debate, (the other thread I'm posting in) I have pointed out that there is an astronomical amount of proof supporting a spherical earth yet YOU seem to want to believe it's flat yet when asked for proof, you back talk, get dodgy, insult, and accuse.  You people like Psychiatrists, right?  That's called Transference.  You want to belong so you believe this flat earth conspiracy and turn your noses up at anyone who doesn't believe how you do. 

I have my answer.  Not a single one of you can provide the slightest bit of evidence besides "It looks flat when I stare out of my window."  Congratulations, Clayman.  You have represented your Flat Earth Group like an idiot.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 09, 2012, 07:43:53 AM »
Heck, even the lowly fisherman will tell you that it's a sphere.
I suspect that you didn't mean "lowly". Perhaps you meant "common" or "numerous".

I mean lowly as in uneducated.  A man who has not had years and years of education.  Simply a hard working man who has seen things for himself.

That's all :)
With respect, I don't think that education, or lack thereof, makes someone "lowly".

  • low·ly/ˈlōlē/ Adjective: Low in status or importance; humble.

Insert the correct adjective.  My statement still stands as proof that the earth is indeed spherical
U mean opinion of a "lowly fisherman" is a proof?  :o

You obviously haven't read this thread.  If you had then you would have seen the part where I said that being dodgy doesn't work on me.  :)  See these senseless posts you make do nothing to dissuade or distract me.  They do however act to lead me to understand which of the 4 types of believer you are.  You'll have to go back and read the first few posts in this thread to understand what I mean by that.

In short, thanks for your input, but... try harder, please

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 09, 2012, 07:29:07 AM »
Heck, even the lowly fisherman will tell you that it's a sphere.
I suspect that you didn't mean "lowly". Perhaps you meant "common" or "numerous".

I mean lowly as in uneducated.  A man who has not had years and years of education.  Simply a hard working man who has seen things for himself.

That's all :)
With respect, I don't think that education, or lack thereof, makes someone "lowly".

  • low·ly/ˈlōlē/ Adjective: Low in status or importance; humble.

Insert the correct adjective.  My statement still stands as proof that the earth is indeed spherical

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As for who's mapped Antarctica, who hasn't?  Private Fishermen, animal rights activists, whalers, Green Peace, oceanographers, environmental protection agency, more private fishermen, explorers, oil drillers, etc...

Who HASN'T flown over it or sailed it or explore it?  I was in the Navy.  I've sailed almost every part of this globe.  I'm willing to bet I've seen more of this planet then any flat earther.

Not ONE map, photo, video, or drawing shows Antarctica as a thin ring at the edge of the earth.   If there is anyone in Australia who thinks the earth is flat then I challenge them to go talk to a private fisherman.  Ask him what he thinks of that.  There is a HUGE difference between a continent (large island) and an outer ring.

The circumference of the earth is 24,901.55 miles around the Equator.  That's the longest distance to be traveled in a straight line.  The earth is not 78,000 miles in circumference around Antarctica.  This is easily proven and it has been proven by so many people it's ridiculous.
So many words and so little sense... What's your point? Can you prove it?

You're asking me if a discrepancy of 53,000 miles can be proven?   It's easy.  GO THERE.  Travel.  I don't know one traveler who believes the earth is flat.  Not one.  I've seen most of the world.  I've met people who have seen even more than I have.  Not one traveler believes that the earth is flat.  Doesn't that tell you something?

53,000 miles.  That's the argument here.   

As I said in my thread Intelligence in Debate, there are 4 types of believers:

1. Those with proof
2. Those with only hearsay
3. Those who believe out of fear (like believing in a hell like christians do)
4. Those who believe because they want to belong to something

If no travelers believe that the world is flat then what does that tell you about the type of believer you are?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 09, 2012, 12:03:23 AM »
Heck, even the lowly fisherman will tell you that it's a sphere.
I suspect that you didn't mean "lowly". Perhaps you meant "common" or "numerous".

I mean lowly as in uneducated.  A man who has not had years and years of education.  Simply a hard working man who has seen things for himself.

That's all :)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 08, 2012, 11:05:31 PM »
direct sensual evidence is not the best way to advance. much research would of halted if all people used was direct sensual evidence. claiming "devices that show that the earth round must be wrong because my eyes disagree" is not correct.
'it looks flat' just isnt good enough and thats all you can say

@ soulfien please provide evidence that the flat earth is round

round
[round]   Example Sentences Origin
round
1    [round] Show IPA adjective, -er, -est, noun, adverb, preposition, verb
adjective
1. having a flat, circular surface, as a disk.
2. ring-shaped, as a hoop.
3. curved like part of a circle, as an outline.
4. having a circular cross section, as a cylinder; cylindrical.
5. spherical or globular, as a ball.

What do I win?

This is your map and as you can see, it's just as round as a sphere is...


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 08, 2012, 11:00:00 PM »
I have already provided proof and reference to the earth being spherical.  Proof?  I've served in the Navy for 8 and a half years.  I've been on 3 aircraft carriers.  I've been around the earth many times.  The circumference of the earth is under 25,000 miles, not 77,000 miles.  I've sailed the earth in both directions, not just one.  The Navy sails the world all the time and they have very accurate maps.  I've had the pleasure of meeting some sailors who had covered more of the earth than I had.  I can assure you, it's not flat.

And the reference?  Stephen Hawking and other brilliant astronomers and physicists.  They have applied math and science to exploring the nature of the universe in ways I can't even begin to understand.  What about Galileo?

Galileo has been called the "father of modern observational astronomy", the "father of modern physics", the "father of science", and "the Father of Modern Science".

Great minds who have provided endless proof to back up their claims that this is truly a fascinating 3-dimensional universe.  Evidence that you all say is incorrect yet have been unable to say how.


Photos and videos exist all over that show Antarctica as a continent, NOT a ring.  It exists as a very large island.  It's been explored, walked on, drilled for oil, fished from, and completely mapped out.

Not ONE photo exists that shows an "end of the world" barrier.  Not one.  Ever.  In a world where satellites, planes, and shuttles exist, why haven't we seen anything that proves your claim?  Heck, even the lowly fisherman will tell you that it's a sphere.   

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 08, 2012, 08:56:41 PM »
There is no evidence for a round Earth that I find convincing enough to override the direct sensorial evidence I see that the Earth is flat.  I've explained this many times.

Yeah, and it still doesn't make sense, considering the whole sinking ship things, the horizon, etc.  If you think assuming flatness will get you closer to the truth, fine, but don't make it out as if you're actually weighing the evidence.

You've weighed one piece of dubious evidence and thrown out the rest.

None of this constitutes direct sensorial evidence that the Earth is round.

Why not?  It certainly suggests the earth is not flat.  Unless you want to say its due to an optical effect, in which case how are you sure that an optical effect is not making the earth look flat out your window?

It all requires conjecture to make the jump from (as an example) "the ship's hull disappears last as it goes over the horizon" to "the Earth is round".  It is therefore not direct sensorial evidence.  Sadly every piece of evidence presented fails in this manner.

Well, we can argue that the earth is triangular or square if you like.

Why would we do that?  The Earth looks flat. 

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Pick a shape.... or shall I point out again that both the flat earth and the spherical earth is round.  A quarter is round.  A baseball is round.  The difference here is flat or spherical.

Why would you bother?  Silly semantic arguments do not win debates.  It's well-understood what is meant by "round" vs "flat" on these forums.

I do not observe a flat earth.  If you zoom in on a tennis ball you will see a flat surface.  This is easily proven.  All you need to do is use the right instruments.  A trip down to a local college can provide you with the means to test this.  Thus, you cannot offer this as proof.

Thankfully your tennis ball experiment works as conceptual proof of concept for why I believe the Earth is flat.  If you zoom into a tennis ball enough, sure, it might look flat, but the direct sensorial evidence tells me that it is spherical.  I am sure you agree in this instance that the direct sensorial evidence supports the true shape of the tennis ball.  Why should I assume the Earth offers any other sort of result?

Why do you insist on having two arguments instead of one? 

" If you zoom into a tennis ball enough, sure, it might look flat, but the direct sensorial evidence tells me that it is spherical."

If it looks flat then your direct senses aren't telling you it's spherical.  Pick one.  Either your senses are telling you it's flat or they're telling you its spherical.  Pick one.

If you place a tiny object the size of 10 microns onto a tennis ball then the tennis ball is going to appear flat to that tiny object.  If that tiny object had senses then those senses would be telling that object that it was on a flat surface.  You yourself said you agree with this right before you then said you disagree.

And as for why I argue semantics, the title to this thread is called "Intelligence in Debate."  It matters that the proper terms are used.  It's spherical earth vs flat earth, not round vs flat because both are round.

And my original question still has not been answered.

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As for who's mapped Antarctica, who hasn't?  Private Fishermen, animal rights activists, whalers, Green Peace, oceanographers, environmental protection agency, more private fishermen, explorers, oil drillers, etc...

Who HASN'T flown over it or sailed it or explore it?  I was in the Navy.  I've sailed almost every part of this globe.  I'm willing to bet I've seen more of this planet then any flat earther.

Not ONE map, photo, video, or drawing shows Antarctica as a thin ring at the edge of the earth.   If there is anyone in Australia who thinks the earth is flat then I challenge them to go talk to a private fisherman.  Ask him what he thinks of that.  There is a HUGE difference between a continent (large island) and an outer ring.

The circumference of the earth is 24,901.55 miles around the Equator.  That's the longest distance to be traveled in a straight line.  The earth is not 78,000 miles in circumference around Antarctica.  This is easily proven and it has been proven by so many people it's ridiculous.

No more takers on this one?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 08, 2012, 08:28:42 PM »
We believe the Earth is flat because we observe a flat Earth.  I really don't understand why this is so hard to grasp.

You conclude that it's flat by glancing out your window, and then you handwave away, or don't perform, all the other observations that don't fit with that conclusion.

There is no evidence for a round Earth that I find convincing enough to override the direct sensorial evidence I see that the Earth is flat.  I've explained this many times.

Spheres can approach 180 degrees angular size.  This geometric proof makes your sensorial evidence as much for a round earth as a flat one.

You'll never get any FE'er to admit that you can zoom in on a sphere enough so that it appears flat.  They know it's true, but they won't admit it.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intelligence in Debate
« on: April 08, 2012, 08:22:24 PM »
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We don't call them idiots, they are just operating under a false premise which skews their conclusions. It's like how Freud is considered the father of physiology despite getting nearly everything wrong.
Then where's the evidence that points out their flaws in logic?

I hate to be so anal, but have you read any Freud?  The evidence to refute his wild conjectures is everywhere.

Sigmund Freud?  A psychiatrist?  Why would anyone take the word of a student of the mind over the word of a student of astronomy and physics when it comes to hard facts and scientific data?   Freud didn't provide proof and evidence.  Psychiatrists deal in interpretations, not facts.

It takes more than a shrink to prove that the earth is flat.

I believe you have missed the point I was making. Gladly, all the information is preserved for you to review.

You missed my point, actually. My original post is still there and my question remains unanswered.

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