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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: How does bird migration work on an FE model?
« on: June 07, 2014, 02:07:01 AM »
Do you really think birds gather together and map out the most efficient route?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 06, 2014, 04:36:44 PM »
West or East does not matter. If you can fly in a circle from Point A going straight and wrap around back at Point A the Earth is a sphere. You do not need to go due East or West or be at the equator. You can obviously go South East and South West.


Traveling over both poles is called a Transglobal Expedition and it has been done.

Ronald Amundse flew over both poles so he circumnavigated North and South. There is a picture of him and his crew catching seals at the South Pole.

Rudolph Fiennes went form the UK- Africa- South Pole- Australia- LA- North Pole- UK.



To find out documentation of these journeys or find others who have done this you can use Google or read books and discover it for yourself. Or would you rather debate that the Earth is Flat all day based on some book some idiot wrote in the 1800s and primitive people believed in before they had any technology?


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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 06, 2014, 09:35:10 AM »
For the 10th time, if the world was a sphere, you could theoretically fly in a straight sourse and end up where you started.  Yes, I admit this.  What is the freaking point?  Nobody has ever done this, so it is just hypothetical.  This is not proof of squat.  I repeat, nobody has ever done this, so it is not proof of anything.  This is nothing but a thought experiment.  IF is the main word here.

What do you mean? Those circumnavigators have done this! They may have turned slightly for refueling or weather, but they went straight enough to wrap around where they came. Yes people have have done this. What do you mean they didn't do this? They definitely didn't fly around a disk avoiding the ice wall.

If you fly from LA non stop to China. Than China non stop to Europe. Then take a 3rd plane non stop to the US. That is 3 planes, but the flight path is based on a round Earth. That flight path is pretty much going straight wrapping around. Yeah, it curves a little but pretty damn straight. If the Earth was a disk the flight paths would have to be completely different.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 05, 2014, 11:20:48 PM »
Yeah, I appreciate that it was mostly a textbook jroa diversion, but the quotes I posted above were from googleotomy, not jroa and I was told in no uncertain terms that to travel east you went straight which is not the case.

Your claim that pilots have just gone straight to circumnavigate isn't true either, they have to constantly correct for wind and turn to stay on their heading and whatnot and the FE position (while it is wrong) is that they might have accidentally corrected for the earth being flat at the same time.

They didn't.

However, your simply saying that they went straight and followed a great circle isn't helping, because they didn't.

Satellites do, anyone who deals with satellite signals or spots the ISS or anything of that nature knows that their ground track is some projection of a version of great circle. Sometimes a very unusual distortion of one but, still.

Most importantly to me, the documented and officiated world record attempts by an ordinary crew with planes full of passengers managed to teleport from one side of the flat earth to the other. That's something I'd like to see addressed.

I mentioned this as have others that you have to veer for weather and things like this. That should be implied. But circumnavigators of aircraft can go relatively straight and wrap around back to where they began. The point for the 10th time is not that they must remain East, but if you fly straight in any direction you will get back to where you came proving the Earth is a sphere. A ship you will also, but you have to veer to avoid land masses. Our entire Aviation ATC system is based on a spherical Earth. Nobody is curving to accommodate not falling off the edge. 

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 05, 2014, 06:21:52 PM »
Read my original post. JROA derailed the thread to make it about going East or West which caused about 3 unnecessary pages. That was all him which had nothing to do with anything. He has done this before. I said nothing about that in my original post, and when JROA returns to this thread, he will then try and get us to debate about going East or West again derailing it some more. Just read the original post and let's see if it is possible to go back on topic.

Circumnavigation on a Flat Earth- Like a car driving around a round track, needs to veer to not crash into the wall.

Circumnavigation on a Spherical Earth- He can go straight and wrap around back where he started. All of these pilots have done this for the most part which proves the world in not flat.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 05, 2014, 05:50:41 PM »
If you start at Point A and fly without veering keeping the same altitude on a spherical Earth won't you end up back at Point A if you never veer?

That's just what orange is doing. Starting off facing east and going straight. And he ends up back home.

Blue starts off facing east but has to turn to stay facing due east. If he didn't turn, he would do exactly what orange did and that's clearly not facing east all the way round.

But yeah, it's a minor point. The root problem is that all maps and navigation of all kinds working at all means we're on a sphere. A really well mapped sphere, at this point. There's just no way the distances or bearings all add up by accident. And I mean mathematically - no way.

Here we go with the East thing again!

FORGET DIRECTION,  FORGET YOUR COMPASS!!!

Why must he fly East?

Just get in a plane, fly going straight and do not turn or veer. You end up back where you started. It doesn't matter East or West North or South or wherever you are. You will wrap around to where you started. You do not need to turn on a spherical Earth to return where you began. On a Flat Earth you need to do major veering or you hit the Ice Wall.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 05, 2014, 05:04:05 PM »
Huh, I thought that gif was pretty clear - the two planes leave in the same direction. So if the orange path is what happens if you go straight, the blue one is obviously turning, right? I can make a clearer one if that doesn't make sense. Try imagining it as an even smaller circle even closer to the north pole, maybe.

Yeah, that's the thing, I don't think anyone has ever done it. Look at the Rutan Voyager or the Global Flyer's routes, they flew round in one go without landing but there's still a lot more to flying round the world than just turning on cruise control and putting your feet up. The only way to know that a route like theirs or Magellan's was a circumnavigation rather than just going round in a circle is by the abilities of navigators, pilots, cartographers and instruments and the FE folks are happy to assume that everyone and everything is brain impaired, duped or lying, because otherwise this whole thing doesn't work.

Your gif is not clear. If you start at Point A and fly without veering keeping the same altitude on a spherical Earth won't you end up back at Point A if you never veer? Why would you need to turn?

If I am wrong about this, it is still only a minor point, as minor veering would be quite different than wrapping around an Earth the shape of a disk. Circumnavigtors would have noticed this or would have gotten quite lost.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 04, 2014, 06:04:02 PM »
Yeah circumnavigation proves the Earth is not as the Flat Earth model. We can assume not every cartographer and circumnavgator were complete retards to not notice how different there journeys were to the maps they were using. But your blue line I still see as not veering. Do we have different definitions of "turning"? The plane would wrap back to where it started without veering if it maintained same elevation as the bottom of the plane points towards the ground. It simply just goes straight. The point is without veering, anywhere you go on a globe you will get back to where you started, which has been done and proves the spherical Earth.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 04, 2014, 05:36:34 PM »
I think the FE position is that the purple route (Magellan's voyage-ish) approximates a great circle on a round earth but on a flat earth is still possible, it's just a not-so-great circle ;) Sure, the navigators and cartographers would have to be fly-eating fuckwits to not realise what was going on, but that's an assumption the FE position is willing to cognitively dissonise.



The other routes are a little more interesting to me as they at least put forward a somewhat new piece of information that people will need to ignore for a few seconds before forgetting about it and carrying on as before. Which is about the best you can hope for here.

Great diagrams and proves the Flat Earth is false or every circumnavigation documented is part of a gigantic conspiracy or cover up.

To avoid admitting he is wrong, JROA will simply debate whether or not they went East or West, so he can fill 3 pages about compass direction instead of addressing the problem head on.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 04, 2014, 05:33:58 PM »
With ships it gets a little more complicated because of avoiding certain land masses, but with aircraft, you can literally do a wrap around. All ships, planes and spaceships that have circumnavigated, did so using a spherical model. Not one has ever documented the Earth distances fit a Flat Model. Not one claims of coming in contact with a great ice wall. Circumnavigation done in the why they did, proves the Earth is not flat. If the Earth is not flat, than all Flat Earth theory is wrong, and we can then trust that the NASA photos are correct.

If you are on a plane anywhere on the globe in any direction and stay straight, you will wrap around back to where you started without veering. Why are you saying you still need to veer?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 04, 2014, 03:35:46 PM »

It's pretty clear though, from both routes that where -in reality- they flew over the south pole, on the flat earth they would have to fly a vast distance over the ice wall at great speeds to trick the passengers into thinking they'd just hopped over the pole.

Yes that is the point! Not if they went East or West North or South! WTF? The Point is if all circumnavigators went around a Flat Earth it would have bneen blatantly obvious the Earth was not as we think and actually wouldn;'t have been able to do it using a spherical model. They would have seen all distances of the spherical model were obviously wrong if the Earth was flat. Yet how many of these circumnavigators went back and said, "Hey guys! I think our globe is wrong!" NONE!

Checkmate!

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 04, 2014, 03:30:04 PM »
So, the mere fact that circumnavigations have occurred at all is no proof of the earth being round.

It is proof, and before JROA derailed the thread to obsess on East and West, the point I made, was that looking at the Flat Earth Map above, if that was the Earth these circumnavigators were flying on, it would have been greatly obvious they were not flying on a spherical Earth. THAT IS THE DAMN POINT!

It isn't rocket science to see flying around the world on a sphere and a Flat Earth are clearly obvious to the pilot. Same for ships and same for spaceships.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 04, 2014, 03:26:27 PM »
Yes, of course if you head off in a straight line you'll circumnavigate in a great circle (ish) and end up where you started (ish), but I'm not sure anyone has ever done it.

What do you mean nobody has done it? Many people have circumnavigated the globe including going over both poles. Nobody had to strictly follow the equator.


ALL OF THESE PEOPLE CIRCUMNAVIGATED THE GLOBE BY FLIGHT!


In 1999, Bertrand Piccard and Brian Jones achieved the first non-stop balloon circumnavigation in Breitling Orbiter 3.

    United States Army Air Service, 1924, first aerial circumnavigation, 175 days, covering 44,360 kilometres (27,560 mi).
    Friedrich Karl von Koenig-Warthausen, in a Klemm L.20, circumnavigated the globe solo, between August 1928 and November 1929.
    LZ-127 Graf Zeppelin, 1929, piloted by Hugo Eckener set a record for the fastest aerial circumnavigation, 21 days, which was also the first circumnavigation in an airship.
    On 1 July 1931, pilot Wiley Post and navigator Harold Gatty completed their circumnavigation of the world in a Lockheed Vega aeroplane, Winnie Mae, in 8 days, 15 hours and 51 minutes; the record for fastest circumnavigation was once again held by an aeroplane.
    In 1932, Wolfgang von Gronau flew around the world in a twin-engine Dornier seaplane, Gronland-Wal D-2053, in nearly four months, making 44 stops en route. He was accompanied by co-pilot Gerth von Roth, mechanic Franzl Hack, and radio operator Frtiz Albrecht.[12]
    In 1933, Wiley Post repeated his circumnavigation by aeroplane, but this time solo, using an autopilot and radio direction finder. He made the first solo aerial circumnavigation in a time one day faster than his previous record: 7 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, in which he covered 25,110 kilometres (15,600 mi).
    Richarda Morrow-Tait became the first woman pilot to fly around the world, accompanied by navigator Michael Townsend, in a year and a day, from 18 August 1948 to 19 August 1949.
    In 1949, the United States Air Force B-50 Superfortress Lucky Lady II made the first non-stop aerial circumnavigation in 94 hours and 1 minute. Four in-air refuelings were required for the flight, which covered 37,743 kilometres (23,452 mi).
    Geraldine Mock, 1964, first woman to complete a solo aerial circumnavigation.
    Don Taylor, 1976, first general aviation circumnavigation by homebuilt aircraft.
    Dick Smith, 1982–1983, first solo circumnavigation by helicopter.
    Dick Rutan and Jeana Yeager, 1986, Voyager, first non-refueled circumnavigation in an airplane, 9 days, 3 minutes and 44 seconds.
    In 1992 an Air France Concorde achieved the fastest non-orbital circumnavigation in 32 hours 49 minutes and 3 seconds.
    Bertrand Piccard and Brian Jones, 1999, first non-stop balloon circumnavigation in Breitling Orbiter 3, 19 days, 1 hour and 49 minutes, covering 42,810 kilometres.
    Polly Vacher, 2001, in the smallest aircraft flown in a solo circumnavigation by a woman, via Australia and the Pacific.
    Steve Fossett, 2 July 2002, first solo balloon circumnavigation.
    Steve Fossett, 3 March 2005, GlobalFlyer, first non-stop, non-refueled solo circumnavigation in an airplane, 67 hours, covering 37,000 kilometres.
    Steve Fossett, 11 February 2006, GlobalFlyer, longest non-stop, non-refueled solo flight (with circumnavigation) in an airplane, covering 42,469.5 kilometres (26,389.3 mi), in 76 hours and 45 minutes.[13][14]
    Riccardo Mortara, Gabriel Mortara, and Flavien Guderzo, 2010, flying a Rockwell Sabreliner 65, completed the 36,770 km minimum distance around the world in 57 hours 54 minutes. current record for fastest aerial circumnavigation;
    Jack Wiegand, 2013, youngest pilot to circumnavigate the globe, solo (21).[15]

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 04, 2014, 05:11:23 AM »
So, to sum up your argument, if the Earth is a sphere, then it would be possible to circumnavigate in any direction, therefore, the Earth is a sphere even though circumnavigation is only done east/west.

Great debating skills.  ::)

NO THAT IS NOT MY POINT! CAN YOU READ? You have ZERO comprehension skills. You sound like an OCD autistic person stuck debating about going East and West. Then keep repeating how we don't understand you when you can't get off this East and West tangent with has NOTHING to do with anything!

Why can't anyone else her talk about this. All you are doing is driving this thread into page after page of utter nonsense about East and West.

Circumnavigating a Flat Earth as you can see on any Flat Earth map involves very serious noticeable sharp turn. A spherical Earth involves NO TURNS! All of these people did not mention any turns.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 04, 2014, 03:50:23 AM »
Can anyone else here comment on this post please? This guy is the Rainman of East and West and can't seem to get past that. Why does he keep going on an on about East and West?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 03, 2014, 10:47:31 PM »
What you are saying isn't relevant. If that is what you want to discuss, than go ahead and make a new thread. What I wanted to discuss was:

Of course it is relevant.  While theoretically, if the Earth is a sphere, you can circumnavigate in any direction and follow a great circle path, this does not happen in real life.  All circumnavigation takes place in a east/west direction.  Meaning that, unless they were exactly on the equator, they would have been turning to follow east or west.

Circumnavigating can take place in any direction. What is wrong with you?Your point means nothing. Stop derailing the thread.

Answer the question:

All of these people I've listed have circumnavigated by flight, yet none of these people reported these sharp turns and none of them hit the edge. They were all using navigation techniques based on a spherical Earth, and they worked! They are either so incredibly stupid, that they couldn't realize they were circumnavigating a Flat Earth, lying and part of the conspiracy or this proves the Earth is indeed spherical. Which one is it?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 03, 2014, 07:19:38 PM »
The rest of the thread seems to have died a sad but predictable death, however, I would like to defend my claim that you have to turn to stay on a constant bearing. We'll have to forget the difference between rotational and magnetic poles and that your compass wouldn't be very useful in practice, but bear with me:

Think about walking due east around the north pole at 89°59.99′ north, you're only walking about 50m so clearly you're walking in a circle rather than having the curvature of the earth bring you back to your start. If we go out to 89°59′ or 1.8km (or a nautical mile charles) away from the pole you're already turning very gently to walk a 6km path, perhaps the turn is already imperceptible but again, clearly if you're following a constant bearing you (probably) aren't following a great circle or a "straight" course.

An airplane does not have to turn to wrap around on a spherical Earth. It simply needs to maintain same elevation towards the ground. It doesn't just fly off into space unless it is going upwards raising the elevation. A plane at 30,000 feet, remaining at 30,000 feet without turning, will wrap around a spherical Earth. All of those people I listed have already done this, yet you still believe the Earth is flat denying all of their experiences?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 03, 2014, 07:14:01 PM »
Can you give me an example of someone who circumnavigated and never made a turn?

Everyone does not make turns except for changes in course to chart their course from port to  port.
Ony on a flat earth map earth would you would be continually turning.
Here's a clue. :The Navy does not use a "Flat Earth Map". They use navigational charts which are made from projections of a globe.

Googleotomy, please refer to my previous post about traveling east or west at the north pole.  Please tell me where I am wrong and how it does not apply to traveling west from San Francisco.  Thank you.

Why should we discuss your point of East and West when that is not related to the topic at hand. You just want to derail the thread and obsess on a tangent instead of addressing the topic directly. This has nothing to do with East or West. It has to do with all of these people have circumnavigated the globe. Going from Point A to Point B in any direction on a sphere, you do not turn but stay straight and you will wrap around where you started. On a disk Earth you make sharp turns or you hit the edge. None of these people reported these sharp turns. They are either stupid, lying or correct.

If you fly from Los Angeles to Hong Kong, you can go straight, without turning. On a Flat Earth you need to make serious turns. Yet not one pilot has noticed this?

Now you will reply with if you go East eventually you need to go West bla bla bla.


Of course the direction has to do with circumnavigation.  Everyone who circumnavigates travels east or west.  This is possible on either a globe or a disk.  Theoretically, you can do it in any direction on a globe; yet, this does not happen.

What you are saying isn't relevant. If that is what you want to discuss, than go ahead and make a new thread. What I wanted to discuss was:

Going straight without turning in any direction on a sphere, you do not turn but stay straight and you will wrap around where you started. You will go from Point A back to Point A by simply flying without turning. On a flat disk Earth you make sharp turns or you hit the edge. All of these people I've listed have circumnavigated by flight, yet none of these people reported these sharp turns and none of them hit the edge. They were all using navigation techniques based on a spherical Earth, and they worked! They are either so incredibly stupid, that they couldn't realize they were circumnavigating a Flat Earth, lying and part of the conspiracy or this proves the Earth is indeed spherical. Which one is it?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 02, 2014, 03:12:23 PM »
Can you give me an example of someone who circumnavigated and never made a turn?

Everyone does not make turns except for changes in course to chart their course from port to  port.
Ony on a flat earth map earth would you would be continually turning.
Here's a clue. :The Navy does not use a "Flat Earth Map". They use navigational charts which are made from projections of a globe.

Googleotomy, please refer to my previous post about traveling east or west at the north pole.  Please tell me where I am wrong and how it does not apply to traveling west from San Francisco.  Thank you.

Why should we discuss your point of East and West when that is not related to the topic at hand. You just want to derail the thread and obsess on a tangent instead of addressing the topic directly. This has nothing to do with East or West. It has to do with all of these people have circumnavigated the globe. Going from Point A to Point B in any direction on a sphere, you do not turn but stay straight and you will wrap around where you started. On a disk Earth you make sharp turns or you hit the edge. None of these people reported these sharp turns. They are either stupid, lying or correct.

If you fly from Los Angeles to Hong Kong, you can go straight, without turning. On a Flat Earth you need to make serious turns. Yet not one pilot has noticed this?

Now you will reply with if you go East eventually you need to go West bla bla bla.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: June 01, 2014, 05:54:25 AM »
JROA you are missing the point entirely, derailing the thread as usual, and not answering the question.

If you fly straight in one direction on a spherical Earth you wrap around even without turning. This has nothing to do with East or West and nothing to do near the equator.

If you are on a Flat Earth you make SHARP turns.

The point is YOU MAKE A FEW VERY NOTICEABLE SHARP TURNS ON A DISK EARTH.

The question is: If all of these people circumnavigated the globe, they would have surely noticed these sharp turns, indicating they were not on a spherical Earth as they presumed. So either they are lying, are incredible stupid and their whole crew was incompetent, or the Earth is a sphere. Which one is it?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: May 31, 2014, 04:20:07 PM »
I'm wary of fuelling this idiotic fire, but sorry Google, a westerly course is obviously a constant bearing or a straight "course" as you say, but it's not a great circle unless you're on the equator, so you will be turning gently right in the north and left in the south in order to maintain that course.

You'll be turning more sharply on a flat earth and the same way in both quarter/three-quarter planes, but still.

That's not true. Wrap a string around a globe and you see they can go straight. But the list above is flight circumnavigation, not ship. There have been many ship circumnavigation but look how many have done it by air. There are even many who have done it by space.

The main point though is: regardless of how often one turns, it would have been blatantly obvious one was turning along a flat Earth to any of these people, yet how many have said they found this? There are only 2 options here: They are all lying or they were so stupid couldn't realize the sharp turns they were making around a disk. Both are unlikely with further proves the Earth is not flat.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: May 31, 2014, 02:14:08 AM »
On a spherical Earth anywhere on the globe, you can just keep going straight and wrap around anywhere on the globe. You;d move slightly on water to avoid land and move slightly in the air to avoid weather or something, but you would go straight even not on the equator. just like you can wrap a string around a globe and it doesn't curve. So to circumnavigate a Flat Earth, they would have to turn, and so you are saying all of these people are either lying, or were unaware of the radical turns they had to do to circumnavigate? Not one person has ever said they had to turn and discovered the Earth was flat. Don't derail the thread!

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: May 31, 2014, 01:54:34 AM »
"Were they all completely unaware that they were turning around the Flat Earth instead of simply just going relatively straight in one direction until they wrapped around? "

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Have you guys heard about Admiral Byrd's adventure? In this alleged diary of his from 1947, he claims he entered the Earth at the North Pole and that there are beings living inside the Hollow Earth. It is documented he did exploration in Antarctica as well.


Adherents to the Hollow Earth hypothesis believe that Byrd flew over the North Pole and into the hollow earth in February 1947 and that he kept a secret diary of the incident. This belief was first published in 1957 in F. Amadeo Giannini's book The Worlds Beyond the Poles.

One major problem with Giannini's account is that in February 1947, Byrd was leading the highly publicized Operation Highjump in Antarctica and was, consequently, no where near the North Pole.

Here is the alleged diary: http://www.phfawcettsweb.org/byrddiary.htm

What are your opinions about this?


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Flat Earth Q&A / Are All These Circumnavigators Lying?
« on: May 31, 2014, 12:09:28 AM »
List of all the people who have circumnavigated the globe since the 16th century. Are they all lying? Were they all completely unaware that they were turning around the Flat Earth instead of simply just going relatively straight in one direction until they wrapped around? Surely pilots would know this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_circumnavigations#20th_century


This is the list of only Aircraft Circumnavigators:
In 1999, Bertrand Piccard and Brian Jones achieved the first non-stop balloon circumnavigation in Breitling Orbiter 3.

    United States Army Air Service, 1924, first aerial circumnavigation, 175 days, covering 44,360 kilometres (27,560 mi).
    Friedrich Karl von Koenig-Warthausen, in a Klemm L.20, circumnavigated the globe solo, between August 1928 and November 1929.
    LZ-127 Graf Zeppelin, 1929, piloted by Hugo Eckener set a record for the fastest aerial circumnavigation, 21 days, which was also the first circumnavigation in an airship.
    On 1 July 1931, pilot Wiley Post and navigator Harold Gatty completed their circumnavigation of the world in a Lockheed Vega aeroplane, Winnie Mae, in 8 days, 15 hours and 51 minutes; the record for fastest circumnavigation was once again held by an aeroplane.
    In 1932, Wolfgang von Gronau flew around the world in a twin-engine Dornier seaplane, Gronland-Wal D-2053, in nearly four months, making 44 stops en route. He was accompanied by co-pilot Gerth von Roth, mechanic Franzl Hack, and radio operator Frtiz Albrecht.[12]
    In 1933, Wiley Post repeated his circumnavigation by aeroplane, but this time solo, using an autopilot and radio direction finder. He made the first solo aerial circumnavigation in a time one day faster than his previous record: 7 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes, in which he covered 25,110 kilometres (15,600 mi).
    Richarda Morrow-Tait became the first woman pilot to fly around the world, accompanied by navigator Michael Townsend, in a year and a day, from 18 August 1948 to 19 August 1949.
    In 1949, the United States Air Force B-50 Superfortress Lucky Lady II made the first non-stop aerial circumnavigation in 94 hours and 1 minute. Four in-air refuelings were required for the flight, which covered 37,743 kilometres (23,452 mi).
    Geraldine Mock, 1964, first woman to complete a solo aerial circumnavigation.
    Don Taylor, 1976, first general aviation circumnavigation by homebuilt aircraft.
    Dick Smith, 1982–1983, first solo circumnavigation by helicopter.
    Dick Rutan and Jeana Yeager, 1986, Voyager, first non-refueled circumnavigation in an airplane, 9 days, 3 minutes and 44 seconds.
    In 1992 an Air France Concorde achieved the fastest non-orbital circumnavigation in 32 hours 49 minutes and 3 seconds.
    Bertrand Piccard and Brian Jones, 1999, first non-stop balloon circumnavigation in Breitling Orbiter 3, 19 days, 1 hour and 49 minutes, covering 42,810 kilometres.
    Polly Vacher, 2001, in the smallest aircraft flown in a solo circumnavigation by a woman, via Australia and the Pacific.
    Steve Fossett, 2 July 2002, first solo balloon circumnavigation.
    Steve Fossett, 3 March 2005, GlobalFlyer, first non-stop, non-refueled solo circumnavigation in an airplane, 67 hours, covering 37,000 kilometres.
    Steve Fossett, 11 February 2006, GlobalFlyer, longest non-stop, non-refueled solo flight (with circumnavigation) in an airplane, covering 42,469.5 kilometres (26,389.3 mi), in 76 hours and 45 minutes.[13][14]
    Riccardo Mortara, Gabriel Mortara, and Flavien Guderzo, 2010, flying a Rockwell Sabreliner 65, completed the 36,770 km minimum distance around the world in 57 hours 54 minutes. current record for fastest aerial circumnavigation;
    Jack Wiegand, 2013, youngest pilot to circumnavigate the globe, solo (21).[15]
    The Swiss solar-powered aircraft Solar Impulse plan to make the first solar-powered aerial circumnavigation of the globe in 2015.

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Flat Earth General / The Flat Earthers Theory of Global Warming
« on: May 31, 2014, 12:03:32 AM »
Even though there is widespread opinion in the scientific community global warming is indeed happening, what do the Flat Earthers here believe about Global Warming? Are the same people that are faking NASA photographs and lying to us about the Earth being spherical behind a global warming hoax? If so, why?

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What makes you so sure the orbit is planar and not the Earth?

EarthIsASpaceship: Could you elaborate on your question? I'm having trouble envisioning what you described; a diagram could help.
I mean, there is no concrete proof it's the Earth spinning and not the sky.  There is no concrete proof the planets are on a plane and not us! A magician can make a rabbit APPEAR to come out of an empty hat but I don't have to believe it. " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">

Yes there is: The Faucault Pendulum proves the Earth is rotating. Great night last week. I was Able to view the pendulum, look at the eclipse through a massive telescope, then later go back to the pendulum and see how far it rotated.

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"We know lunar eclipses have also occurred where the sun and moon are both visible at the same time."

hahahahaha  thanks for the laugh! Please I hope for the sake of all humanity he is joking. Please be trolling. Please!


You haven't done your homework at all.

But I have.



From America, Christopher Columbus also wrote to the king and the queen of Spain about the simultaneous eclipses:

This that I have said is what I have heard. What I know is that the year 94 I sailed in 24 degrees to the west in 9 hours, and it could not be mistake because there were eclipses: the sun was in Libra and the moon in Ariete.

http://www.mgar.net/docs/colon4.htm

Esto que yo he dicho es lo que he oído. Lo que yo sé es que el ańo de 94 navegué en 24° al Poniente en término de nueve horas, y no pudo haber yerro porque hubo eclipses: el sol estaba en Libra y la luna en Ariete.

From Columbus words is clear that double eclipses were also known to the king and to the queen.

Yes in a selenelion eclipse this can happen, but the Earth is still in between the Sun and the Moon, just on an angle, not the moon next to the Sun overhead, or in any random position with just some darkening of the moon happening for no reason. You can research how and why the selenelion eclipse occurs and find your answer instead of you don't understand it therefore it is a gov't conspiracy.

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No, you haven't.

Quit denying. Admit it. The earth is round.

When you can show me with a flashlight a golf ball and a baseball how an observer can see both an eclipsed golf ball and the flashlight, I'll start thinking about the earth's rotundity with more than a chuckle.

how can you laugh at the earths "rotundity" when you guys believe that:

No one could ever go to the edge of the earth since its -276 degrees.
Every single person that has ever gone into space and saw (and photographed) our round world, is a liar.
you believe that 1 person did make it to the edge of the earth and took photos, but "alas, they were exposed to sunlight and ruined".


...A flat earth theory died out centuries ago. Way back when people were being hung for stealing apples and egyptians believed that a dragon ate the sun every day...
I find it funny they use the -276 degrees as the absolute coldest. How would they know what it is? I am sure they did not measure it. They have not been there.

Yeah they claim everyone is just force fed bullshit and we just blindly believe, yet ALL 100% of Flat Earthers are force fed unproven bullshit they all eat up and state as true without one iota of any evidence! They are the ones blindy believing either what some moron wrote before them, or imaginations in their own heads, rather than basing their beliefs on actual evidence. Hypocrisy at its best!

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The foucoult pendulum proves 100% that the Earth rotates. This pendulum can be observed throughout many science museums around the world, as well as can be done by anyone at home using some very basic items. If you doubt the Foucoult pendulum, all the documentation and every youtube video about it, and think every museum and observatory with the pendulum is fake, and if you got off the computer and off your ass, you can demonstrate this at home enough, to observe the Earth's rotation.

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