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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Simple Questions For FE'ers

« on: October 13, 2006, 11:20:52 PM »

Mainly because the base of the FE theory is that "it is a conspiracy."

I don't know where you got the idea that the conspiracy is the base of the FE theory. That's ridiculous.

Because without the vast conspiracy, including scientists, governments, and space agencies, the theory would fall apart.

If the Earth is flat, then there is a conspiracy.

If there is not a conspiracy, then the Earth is not flat.


And there is no way to prove that the conspiracy exists, but a million ways to disprove it.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Do you FE's think that you're the smartest people on Earth?

« on: October 13, 2006, 11:11:13 PM »

I think I'm rather well informed, actually. For example, during the two sunny days I've climbed Bluff Knoll (I think only Mad Aussie knows where this is), I've seen far out over the land. That curved slightly...around the entire HORIZON. The Curve implies a curvature...and if it's allaround me...omgwtfbbq! i must b on a spear lol!

We must be on different Earths because according the science I've read about curvature you have to be over 15km above sea level to be able to see the curve with your own eyes.  I flew recently and at 11 km above sea level I couldn't see any curve at all.  

However even if you see a curve, that could be because the earth is still round (but flat) - like a coin.

He's referring to a curve in the land, not one outside the ice wall, which is the only place where the Earth curves in this model.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Seriously Now

« on: October 13, 2006, 11:10:02 PM »

They would have to find out somehow, I mean they would wonder "Where the hell are our satellites?" Plus, you stated that this was a conspiracy by the world governments. Lastly, who is in charge of the ice wall guards?  An elected official would probably want to know why he isn't in charge of anything. Besides, all of the wars are just cover up, so the Iraq war would be included in this, as would the beef with Iran in North Korea.

Any information anyone has given you regarding the conspiracy is pure speculation. No one knows why there is a conspiracy, no one knows who is in on the conspiracy. No one knows what would be gained from a conspiracy. Yet the fact remains that if Earth is flat there is a conspiracy.

Over and over again, as we ask you people why you can't take a trip to the ice wall, you say that the government would kill us.

FE's say they will not take a trip to the ice wall for the same reasons you say you will not take a trip to Antarctica, it has little to nothing to do with fear of being killed by ice wall guards..

I won't go to Antarctica because at least 6 billion people agree with me when I say that the earth is round. However, FE's are one of only hundreds on Earth that believe that it is flat.

If the Earth is flat, then there is a conspiracy.

Let's look at it's contrapositive:
If there is not a conspiracy, then the Earth is not flat.

And since there is a very very small likelihood that we went through 1000 years without any sort of break-up or leak in this conspiracy, there must not be a conspiracy. Therefore, there is not a flat Earth.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Why do you believe?

« on: October 13, 2006, 11:04:15 PM »

It's not a question of belief.  Belief implies faith.

Then what is it? Knowledge? That one guy's experiments don't invalidate all of the other ones made by round earthers.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Simple Questions For FE'ers

« on: October 13, 2006, 08:54:03 PM »

Can FE be disproved?

No, the FE theory cannot be disproved, simply because it is unfalsifiable.

Mainly because the base of the FE theory is that "it is a conspiracy."

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Flat Earth Q&A / Seriously Now

« on: October 13, 2006, 08:51:19 PM »

But at what point do they learn of the conspiracy? For example, when Bush was elected, did somebody carefully explain to him that the earth is flat and about the conspiracy? Do you not think that one elected official in the entire world over the past 1000 years would have told the secret?

Most elected officials wouldn't even need to know about the conspiracy. The only people who would have to be let in are those who would be directly affected by it, such a astronauts and the like. But even if one of them started going around telling everyone that Earth was flat, why would anyone believe them? They'd just be dismissed as insane.

They would have to find out somehow, I mean they would wonder "Where the hell are our satellites?" Plus, you stated that this was a conspiracy by the world governments. Lastly, who is in charge of the ice wall guards? Over and over again, as we ask you people why you can't take a trip to the ice wall, you say that the government would kill us. What government? The world government? An elected official would probably want to know why he isn't in charge of anything. Besides, all of the wars are just cover up, so the Iraq war would be included in this, as would the beef with Iran in North Korea.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Virgin Galactic Offers Flights to Space for $200 000 US

« on: October 13, 2006, 08:25:48 PM »

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e1/Vss.JPG

Here's a picture of Bill Richardson excited about the possibilities of this. Was he acting, FE'ers?

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Flat Earth Q&A / FE Big Bang?

« on: October 13, 2006, 08:22:14 PM »

Just what I've concluded.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you had concluded it  I was wondering what specific reasoning was involved in coming to the conclusion.

I meant it stretched infinitely in each direction. As in "X, Y, Z."

Aha.  Well, that creates some problems.  First one that comes to mind is Olbers' paradox: if the universe is infinite in space and time, then the total intensity of the light reaching any point in space would be equal to the average luminosity at the surface of a star.  You can justify this by calculating the intensity directly or using a thermodynamical argument.  Olbers tried to resolve this by postulating a tenuous gas permeating space that would absorb light, but the problem with that is that if the universe didn't have a beginning then by now the gas would be in thermal equilibrium with the stars, so it would glow just as brightly.  Apparently even if you assume that the universe is spatially bounded you get the same result (though I don't know the reasoning why).

In any case, the picture of an infinite-in-time-and/or-space universe is just not tenable.

Obviously, the world being created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster has far less evidence and "education" than others...at least one would hope.

I figured the FSM comment was tongue in cheek... I'm referring to comparison of the other three theories.  The Big Bang, Intelligent Design, and FE theory are not equally educated guesses.

They're also not equally accepted. The Big Bang is widely accepted by almost everyone. Intelligent design is a theory which is accepted by a variety of religious groups and others. Flat Earth is accepted by almost nobody..

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Flat Earth Q&A / The earth is round

« on: October 13, 2006, 08:19:20 PM »

The faq is incomplete, and what it contains cannot be called evidence because it cannot be verified. And a lot of it opposes the laws of phisics and/or contradicts itself.

How does it violate the laws of "phisics"?

The Earth is much too large to not reach hydrostatic equilibrium, as much smaller bodies such as Ceres and our moon have. Also, the ice wall is not high enough to contain gases, which fill the atmosphere. And most importantly, they believe gravity is a lie.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Seriously Now

« on: October 13, 2006, 07:46:28 PM »

How do the tens of thousands of people stay quiet? Obviously conspiracy... >_>

I mean, how the hell would everyone keep a secret like that? They wouldn't.

Tens of thousands of people don't have to know there is a conspiracy. All the conspirators need do is convince humanity that Earth is round, and, as shown by this forum, people will take it from there.

But at what point do they learn of the conspiracy? For example, when Bush was elected, did somebody carefully explain to him that the earth is flat and about the conspiracy? Do you not think that one elected official in the entire world over the past 1000 years would have told the secret? Think about it. Is the average person able to keep a secret that would change peoples lives? Even if they weren't we're talking about every single leader of every single state since the first millenium. How would they suddenly collaborate? In ancient China and Greece, wars and invasions were happening all the time. Are you saying that sometime 1000 years ago every government in the world suddenly decided that they needed to collaborate on making the world believe that the world is round. I'd like someone to try and answer all of those questions fully without uttering the words "conspiracy" or "alien."

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Flat Earth Q&A / Apologies, and further debunking of the Ice Wall

« on: October 13, 2006, 07:32:29 PM »

Obviously, none of the photos presented shows the actual Ice Wall. Rather they show attempts at the outer ice ciffs along the rough coast of the southern ring continent.

The actual Ice Wall is on avg. 1,383.4166 mi. from this  frozen shore at the far edge of the World Disk. It is comprised of non-photo-reproducing blue ice; appearing as other glacial ice to the naked eye but undocumentable by even digital photographic means.

...also it's eternal twilight at the very edge and there are dire things lurking in the starry void beyond.

What about the atmosphere? How does that stay attatched to the Earth when the only thing holding fluids in is a 250 foot ice wall?

Let me guess, another conspiracy?

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Flat Earth Debate / My Trip To The Ice Wall

« on: October 13, 2006, 07:27:36 PM »

Those are all taken from image searches. The rest, of course, is a story. Too much time on your hands?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Why do you believe?

« on: October 13, 2006, 07:09:40 PM »

Yes, it is based of a crazed psuedoscientist who died 150 years ago. His work was clearly not ignored, so why hasn't it become the mainstream theory? Simple: it is wrong.

So far, all of year posts have been rants, with NO evidence for a round earth. Bring some to the table.

No evidence? How about NASA? How about every government in the world believing its a round earth? How about the man on the moon? How about World War II? How about the simple fact that there is no scientist, no politician, no respected official who believes in a flat earth? How about the years of ridicule by popular culture? I don't need to prove a round earth because it has already been proven by Antarctica, NASA, and the common beliefs of all citizens. All of your evidence towards a flat earth has either been the defending of the possibility, with no reason to even believe it in the first place. Conspiracy theories are all that this is based on.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you FE's think that you're the smartest people on Ear

« on: October 13, 2006, 07:03:36 PM »

I'm just wondering why you think that you know more about the world and the universe than scientists, astronomers, and other very well educated and qualified people. Why do you think that they're wrong and you're right? Remember, you believe this based on pictures of Earth.

no we dont believe this based on pictures of the earth, if youve been here for more than two days or if you'd actually done some reading you'd find that we beleive pictures are inadmissible as evidence for either theory as images can be easily falsified.

are you implying in the above title that you are simply willing to beleive what some "scientist" or "Astronomer" tells you?  perhaps if you do some investigations, eg.  look around you, you will see that generally the earth looks flat.  what you see with your own eyes is a lot more trustworthy than "scientists, astronomers and other very well educated people" who you have never, and probably will never meet.

Why don't you believe that this view is possible on an enormous sphere? Physicists don't seem to question it, and they are the ones who devote their lives to this type of research. All you have is a book written by someone 150 years ago as evidence. Give me one reason why it is flat.

The book written 150 years ago. If age means that evidence is less valid, then the first evidence of a round earth is completely invalid, as it's over 2000 years old.

The point is that he wrote it 150 years ago, and absolutely nobody has believed it. If it is so convincing, and so true, then how come it hasn't become mainstream theory? Because of "teh aliens!1"?

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Flat Earth Q&A / I know you guys must get this all the time but...

« on: October 13, 2006, 06:48:20 PM »

The reason that the Earth doesn't move towards its center of gravity is because it is all a conspiracy. Gravity is a conspiracy, physics are a conspiracy, science is a conspiracy. But remember kids, we still haven't found the motive!

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Flat Earth Q&A / Why do you believe?

« on: October 13, 2006, 06:44:50 PM »

Yes, it is based of a crazed psuedoscientist who died 150 years ago. His work was clearly not ignored, so why hasn't it become the mainstream theory? Simple: it is wrong.

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Flat Earth Q&A / What in the name of zarking fardwarks is this?

« on: October 13, 2006, 06:42:57 PM »

This is hilarious. Anytime science proves you wrong, you call it a conspiracy. Why don't you just give up?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Do you FE's think that you're the smartest people on Ear

« on: October 13, 2006, 06:41:11 PM »

I'm just wondering why you think that you know more about the world and the universe than scientists, astronomers, and other very well educated and qualified people. Why do you think that they're wrong and you're right? Remember, you believe this based on pictures of Earth.

no we dont believe this based on pictures of the earth, if youve been here for more than two days or if you'd actually done some reading you'd find that we beleive pictures are inadmissible as evidence for either theory as images can be easily falsified.

are you implying in the above title that you are simply willing to beleive what some "scientist" or "Astronomer" tells you?  perhaps if you do some investigations, eg.  look around you, you will see that generally the earth looks flat.  what you see with your own eyes is a lot more trustworthy than "scientists, astronomers and other very well educated people" who you have never, and probably will never meet.

Why don't you believe that this view is possible on an enormous sphere? Physicists don't seem to question it, and they are the ones who devote their lives to this type of research. All you have is a book written by someone 150 years ago as evidence. Give me one reason why it is flat.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Why do you believe?

« on: October 13, 2006, 06:31:44 PM »

Why do you believe this when there is no evidence or reason for a conspiracy, and no basic reason to believe in a flat Earth. What is it that makes you want to believe in a flat Earth? There doesn't seem to be any reason.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Do you FE's think that you're the smartest people on Earth?

« on: October 13, 2006, 12:41:40 AM »

I'm just wondering why you think that you know more about the world and the universe than scientists, astronomers, and other very well educated and qualified people. Why do you think that they're wrong and you're right? Remember, you believe this based on pictures of Earth.

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Flat Earth Q&A / What is the reason?

« on: October 13, 2006, 12:39:51 AM »

they must have used space travel to come here. But according to your theory, they can't!

This is incorrect.

According to our theory, we don't. No where in FE canon does it say space travel is impossible.

It's beside the point. Remember, the theory states that this is a government conspiracy. So what motives do they have? It goes back to what I was saying.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Questioning the FAQ

« on: October 12, 2006, 10:10:36 PM »

You're joking, right?

Ok, so Joe Sailor sets out in his ship for a little cruise, and BAM!  Finds a 150 foot wall of ice.  
"Wow, this isn't on the charts, and I'm north of the equator, so it can't be Antarctica.  And I know it's too warm to be the Arctic!  Just wait until I tell the guys at home."

Alas, the Ice Wall is south of the Equator, where Antarctica would be if the Earth was round.

You have no motive.  You can't even think of one.  You guys have proven how rich your imaginations can be, yet you can't even come up with a halfway plausible motive for the government covering up a flat earth.  What exactly does the government have to gain by covering this up?

In a word; Money. Money makes the world go round.

And they get this money from where?

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Flat Earth Q&A / What is the reason?

« on: October 12, 2006, 10:09:27 PM »

Aliens made the government do it. This motive is extremely plausible and logical.

Aliens from where? Where exactly do these aliens live?

Outer space, I assume. Perhaps there is another world traveling parallel to our own.

With its own sun, moon, and tiny stars? I doubt it. Wouldn't we be able to see this disk across from us? Along with the undersides of their sun and moon?  Or would they be below us? In which case, they must have used space travel to come here. But according to your theory, they can't!

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Flat Earth Q&A / Flat erf?

« on: October 12, 2006, 10:06:07 PM »

My stance is this: If you don't have any sort of logical explanation as to why you think the Earth is accelerating through space, your theory is not valid.

In the same vein, if you don't have any sort of logical explanation as to why you think all matter in the universe is attracted to all other matter by some magical energy called "gravity", your theory is not valid.

When posed with the "what about gravity?" question, simply stating that "it is moving up" with no supporting facts just doesn't cut it. Gravity is one of the biggest phenomena in our physical reality, yet you toss it aside.

When posed with the "what about gravity" question, simply stating that "all matter in the universe is attracted by 'gravity' to all other matter" with no supporting facts just doesn't over it. The UA (Universal acceleration) is one of the biggest phenomena in our physical reality, yet you toss it aside.

Because a body must be exceptionally large to have a gravitational pull. Likewise, if two planets were near each other, both the same size, they wouldn't move towards each other because the gravitational pull of an object that size is not enough to affect another object the same size.

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Flat Earth Q&A / What is the reason?

« on: October 12, 2006, 10:02:02 PM »

Aliens made the government do it. This motive is extremely plausible and logical.

Aliens from where? Where exactly do these aliens live? I thought that the stars were all just small little specks in the sky, and that NASA images of stars were made in photoshop.

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Flat Earth Q&A / What is the reason?

« on: October 12, 2006, 09:59:15 PM »

Why do you believe the world is flat? Because it looks that way in photos? The photos which make the Earth seem flat show only some of the continents anyway. And you still haven't explained the motives. Why in the world would they have a reason to cover this up?

Are you saying that WWII was a hoax?

You're basically that is denying at least every war in the last millenium. Are you saying that war just stopped? Was World War II a hoax? Did Stalin, Hitler, FDR, Churchill, and whoever the hell was in Japan just sit down and plan out a war to try to distract the world from a truth that wouldn't even hurt them in the slightest? Basically, you're denying the Holocaust too, since they must have just been a publicity stunt that would give the westerners a motive to fight the Axis. '

And why would Nasa go to all this trouble just to make people think that the Earth is round? From a hypothetical standpoint, what does brainwashing the people possibly do for the government? How do they gain by having the whole world believing a false notion?

You waste all this time making a website and FAQ, detailed diagrams, and all this other crap, but you can't even think up ONE possible motive? It's simple. There is no possible motive, because a motive is impossible. Therefore, you have no reason to believe in it.