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The Lounge / Attention Deficit/Hyperactive Disorder
« on: October 22, 2006, 09:27:35 AM »
Did anyone notice that at the end,  Mild ADHD was 16 points or below? That means that no matter what you put in, you will be diagnosed with at least mild ADHD.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Burden of Proof
« on: October 21, 2006, 09:56:30 AM »
Quote from: "Yardstick2006"
Quote from: "phaseshifter"
Quote from: "DiegoDraw"

No, no. It's not that we aren't expecting people to come in and attempt to refute it. The point was simply that you ARE coming in here trying to prove it. This is such a SIMPLE concept, why do you guys not get it? If this was "The Round Earth Society" and a bunch of guys who believed the Earth was flat, THEN we would need to prove our case, but it's the FLAT Earth society, hence you, who disagree with the ideas of the people here, YOU have to prove US wrong.
Is it that hard to understand? Honestly...


~D-Draw


When you make a website, or anything else for that matter (cult, religion political party, clan, discussion group ect.)

People will expect you to be able to prove that your point of view is not bullshit.

Ex:. People go into a cardgame forum and ask, "Hey guys, show me why you think Vampiric dragon is not a tournament worthy card" and people will explain with playtests results and game theory why it isn't.

You go into a fighting game forum and ask, "hey guys, show me why you think that SNK games are better than Capcom ones" People will show, through movies, game theory, per characte option and character balancing what their point of view is based on, and why it is valid.

Same thing with anything else. They won't go "no sir, you came to our site, we're not showing anything to you, YOU show us that Card X, or game X is not what we say it is. That would be seen as snobish to most people and would just alienate newcomers.

It's not realistic to think that people will come to your forum and NOT expect you to prove that your point of view is valid.


FES, you just got pwned.


YStick, did you even read D-Draw's response to this in Earth is a Cube? I quoted it here so that you would read it before making an idiotic comment. If you wish to dispute D-Draw's response, you can do so at the Earth is a Cube thread.

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Flat Earth Q&A / What proof do you need to believe the earth is a sphere?
« on: October 21, 2006, 06:18:00 AM »
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
Quote from: "Rossk #5!!"
stare at the sun for about 10 minutes while it's not covered by clouds.


That's just...stupid.


That's exactly what I was thinking.

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The Lounge / Hax
« on: October 20, 2006, 08:54:39 PM »
Quote from: "lil_olek2"
y r u spamin mi therd


Once again, you're posting unreadable BS.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Burden of Proof
« on: October 20, 2006, 08:52:22 PM »
Since phaseshifter can use cut and paste, I will too. Here's phaseshifter's post again.

Quote from: "phaseshifter"
Quote from: "DiegoDraw"

No, no. It's not that we aren't expecting people to come in and attempt to refute it. The point was simply that you ARE coming in here trying to prove it. This is such a SIMPLE concept, why do you guys not get it? If this was "The Round Earth Society" and a bunch of guys who believed the Earth was flat, THEN we would need to prove our case, but it's the FLAT Earth society, hence you, who disagree with the ideas of the people here, YOU have to prove US wrong.
Is it that hard to understand? Honestly...


~D-Draw


When you make a website, or anything else for that matter (cult, religion political party, clan, discussion group ect.)

People will expect you to be able to prove that your point of view is not bullshit.

Ex:. People go into a cardgame forum and ask, "Hey guys, show me why you think Vampiric dragon is not a tournament worthy card" and people will explain with playtests results and game theory why it isn't.

You go into a fighting game forum and ask, "hey guys, show me why you think that SNK games are better than Capcom ones" People will show, through movies, game theory, per characte option and character balancing what their point of view is based on, and why it is valid.

Same thing with anything else. They won't go "no sir, you came to our site, we're not showing anything to you, YOU show us that Card X, or game X is not what we say it is. That would be seen as snobish to most people and would just alienate newcomers.

It's not realistic to think that people will come to your forum and NOT expect you to prove that your point of view is valid.


And now here's D-Draw's response to it.

Quote from: "DiegoDraw"
Quote from: "Earthisround99"
If you come here with a theory that differentiates from The Flat Earth Theory, then you are the accusers, meaning you have to prove us wrong. Any other attempts at logic don't even make sense. Durr.


I did present proof in my FAQ. You the one who hasn't shown me anything to warrant that the earth is not a cube.


You answered questions, but you didn't manage to present any evidence. And, you forget the fact that I DID prove to you that the Earth is not a cube; you just happened to bypass that part.

Quote from: "phaseshifter"
When you make a website, or anything else for that matter (cult, religion political party, clan, discussion group ect.)

People will expect you to be able to prove that your point of view is not bullshit.

Again, you are thinking incorrectly, especially in your examples.

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Ex:. People go into a cardgame forum and ask, "Hey guys, show me why you think Vampiric dragon is not a tournament worthy card" and people will explain with playtests results and game theory why it isn't.

That's not a valid example. The CORRECT way to put that example would be: You go into a Vampiric Dragon tournament forum and tell them that it is not a tournament-worthy card. Obviously, they're going to ask you why you think that, and you are in the position where you have to prove it.

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You go into a fighting game forum and ask, "hey guys, show me why you think that SNK games are better than Capcom ones" People will show, through movies, game theory, per characte option and character balancing what their point of view is based on, and why it is valid.

Again, you're incorrect. Corrected example: You go into an SNK game forum and tell them that you think that Capcom is better. They ask why, and you're required to prove that Capcom is better.

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Same thing with anything else. They won't go "no sir, you came to our site, we're not showing anything to you, YOU show us that Card X, or game X is not what we say it is.

We don't say that we aren't going to show you anything, but if you're going to come and say, "You're wrong" and then leave, what's the point of proving anything?

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That would be seen as snobish to most people and would just alienate newcomers.
:lol:
Alienate newcomers...Don't want to alienate those aliens, hm?

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It's not realistic to think that people will come to your forum and NOT expect you to prove that your point of view is valid. Even if it was, calling people morons would not be a good way of doing that either.

We do prove our point of view, but you have to give us something to prove, otherwise we can't prove a damned thing. Basically, the only way to counter you coming and saying, "The Earth is round" would be for us to say, "Nope, the Earth is flat." But hey, you guys aren't happy with that either. The point isn't for us to NOT prove our point EVER, it's that in order for us to DO so, you have to bring up the issues, and tell us what's wrong FIRST, otherwise we're stuck in a cycle of argument that is just plainly illogical.

Honest to God, what part of this completely logical concept do you guys not understand. IT'S SIMPLE! Freaking Christ...


~D-Draw


Now your post has been refuted again.

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Flat Earth Q&A / A Quick Question About Logic
« on: October 20, 2006, 08:39:00 PM »
Quote from: "phaseshifter"
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because you are a designated target for any IceWall Guard whose field of fire you have entered. This is what these guys train for: someone will be there to cap yer ass.


How do you know that?


For once, phaseshifter sort of has a halfway decent point. How many expeditions go to Antarctica every year? Do we KNOW that there are ice wall guards?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Burden of Proof
« on: October 20, 2006, 08:27:22 PM »
Quote from: "phaseshifter"
Quote from: "DiegoDraw"

No, no. It's not that we aren't expecting people to come in and attempt to refute it. The point was simply that you ARE coming in here trying to prove it. This is such a SIMPLE concept, why do you guys not get it? If this was "The Round Earth Society" and a bunch of guys who believed the Earth was flat, THEN we would need to prove our case, but it's the FLAT Earth society, hence you, who disagree with the ideas of the people here, YOU have to prove US wrong.
Is it that hard to understand? Honestly...


~D-Draw


When you make a website, or anything else for that matter (cult, religion political party, clan, discussion group ect.)

People will expect you to be able to prove that your point of view is not bullshit.

Ex:. People go into a cardgame forum and ask, "Hey guys, show me why you think Vampiric dragon is not a tournament worthy card" and people will explain with playtests results and game theory why it isn't.

You go into a fighting game forum and ask, "hey guys, show me why you think that SNK games are better than Capcom ones" People will show, through movies, game theory, per characte option and character balancing what their point of view is based on, and why it is valid.

Same thing with anything else. They won't go "no sir, you came to our site, we're not showing anything to you, YOU show us that Card X, or game X is not what we say it is. That would be seen as snobish to most people and would just alienate newcomers.

It's not realistic to think that people will come to your forum and NOT expect you to prove that your point of view is valid.


This is just cut and paste from the Earth is a Cube topic. Give some ORIGINAL arguments.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / flat terror
« on: October 20, 2006, 08:08:01 PM »
Quote from: "DeErthesSfeerikal"
From what I understand, he doesn't actually not believe in the war in Iraq. He's saying it's about the same as a FE. And jkallend, asking why the government would have the incentive to create a fictional war is the exact same as why the government would have an incentive for creating a fictional moon landing, and trips to antarctica. All the pictures we've seen. That there is no south pole. Or do you believe in the south pole? If so, where is it. Don't say anything about the FAQ, because I read it. If it's in there, I must have missed it. It makes perfect sense what Ezkerraldean said. I do believe in the war in Iraq, don't get me wrong, but I'm saying that we have the same proof of the war in Iraq as the word being round, yet you shoot down RE and say that it's conspiracy.


If the war was a fabrication pulled by the government, don't you think they'd fabricate a war that we're actually winning, instead of this Vietnam 2?

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Flat Earth Q&A / The earth is a cube *Proof*
« on: October 19, 2006, 04:49:41 PM »
Quote from: "phaseshifter"
Isn't the burden of proof usually with the people who challenge the status quo?


Yes, and here, the status quo is that the Earth is flat.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The earth is round
« on: October 19, 2006, 04:01:30 PM »
Maybe we can see Mount Everest from anywhere, but perspective makes it microscopically tiny.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Can you fall off the edge of the earth?
« on: October 19, 2006, 03:57:33 PM »
Quote from: "Apoc"
Sorry if this was posted before ( I didnt feel like looking though 9 pages) but how do you know if the ice wall even exists if you are killed when you get to close?


It's the only reason why the oceans don't fall off the Earth.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Why do you believe?
« on: October 19, 2006, 03:55:41 PM »
Hey Apoc, look at this thread which is a list of all known genuine FE'ers on this site.

edit: fix URL

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Flat Earth Q&A / The earth is a cube *Proof*
« on: October 19, 2006, 03:45:29 PM »
Quote from: "Earthisround99"

That's not FE logic at all, really. People come to the site, they say "You guys are wrong, Earth is round."
To which the FE's reply "Prove it." Which is perfectly reasonable seeing as the burden of proof lies with with the accusers, not the accused.


Okay, prove that the earth is flat. As far as I am concerned it is a cube.


Fine. Think that the Earth is a cube. This site isn't trying to convince YOU of anything.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Antartica not existing
« on: October 19, 2006, 02:56:44 PM »
I don't think Diskus is part of an "Antarctic" study if he can't even spell.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The earth is round
« on: October 19, 2006, 02:54:27 PM »
Quote from: "Unimportant"
*drumroll*

....................and he's banned!

Congratulations!


I don't think he'll be banned, YStick hasn't been yet.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Why do you believe?
« on: October 19, 2006, 02:51:39 PM »
Quote from: "Unimportant"
Quote from: "Yardstick2006"
Dogplatter wrote:

Penguins were actually created in the 1960's by Russian scientists who combined the DNA of otters and birds.

Yardstick2006 wrote:

I am completely incapable of discerning between jokes and serious claims.


Yes, we know that, as you've never actually made a serious claim, you have nothing to relate to.

edit: I wasn't talking to you, Unimportant, I was referring to YStick.

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Flat Earth Q&A / I know you guys must get this all the time but...
« on: October 19, 2006, 02:47:57 PM »
Quote from: "Yardstick2006"
Quote from: "Dogplatter"
They make a ton of money from the fake space program, that's why.



Dogplatter wrote:

Penguins were actually created in the 1960's by Russian scientists who combined the DNA of otters and birds.


YStick, it seems that your generic response to any point made by Dogplatter is to quote his statement about penguins. Maybe you should post something substantial, for once.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Sun/Moon orbits and shape
« on: October 19, 2006, 03:17:30 AM »
Quote from: "Yardstick2006"
Thank you for that productive post, jackass.

The FEers wont answer this, as they do every time someone asks this question.


YStick, we all now you're the one who should chastise Unimportant for unimportant posts, because as I was looking through YOUR posts, I found nothing but well thought out posts.

Or not.

edit: corrected spelling of "looking"

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Flat Earth Q&A / Burden of Proof
« on: October 19, 2006, 03:13:45 AM »
Quote from: "Yardstick2006"
Quote from: "Unimportant"
Quote from: "Yardstick2006"
Maybe in your warped little mind but us in the real world know that if want to 'challenge the norm.' so to speak, then you have to back it up.

Yeah, exactly; if we went out into the real world and claimed the earth was flat, it would be up to us.

We don't do that. Instead, you come into our world and accuse us of having a faulty model. You're the one accusing us, so you've got to prove your claim.


Jesus Christ! YOU ARE THE ONES REFUTING EVERYTHING THAT WE THINK WE KNOW ABOUT THE EARTHS SHAPE SO YOU NEED TO BACK IT UP.


Why even make a website if you have no intention of proving your theory?


Why join a forum when you have no intention of proving anything?

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The Lounge / Aspartame: Delicious or Deadly?
« on: October 18, 2006, 10:47:46 AM »
On a related note, perfluorooctanoic acid, an ingredient in Teflon, has been considered a likely carcinogen by the FDA and is in the bloodstream of 95 percent of Americans.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The earth is round
« on: October 18, 2006, 10:43:15 AM »
Quote from: "TheEngineer"
bibicul claims to be smarter than Einstein.


Has anyone wondered if bibicul and phaseshifter are the same person?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Burden of Proof
« on: October 18, 2006, 10:40:57 AM »
Quote from: "Yardstick2006"
Quote from: "beast"
This is the Flat Earth Society.  We proclaim that the Earth is flat.  If you come to our society telling us that we are wrong you have to be able to prove it.



I am sick of this notion that FEtards continue to spout. Listen shitforbrains, the FET refutes over a thousand years of evidence that points to the earth being round. I'd say that as you are the ones that are saying that RE is bunk you are the ones that must put up not us.


Yes the FES refutes tons of evidence, but the FES isn't trying to convince anybody. You are.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Burden of Proof
« on: October 18, 2006, 03:33:02 AM »
Don't bother giving phaseshifter any actual reasons, I think he had a lobotomy before coming to this site. :lol:

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The Lounge / Aspartame: Delicious or Deadly?
« on: October 17, 2006, 05:10:56 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Quote from: "DiegoDraw"
Considering I hate the taste of diet pops (I seriously can't stand it), I voted deadly. I don't know...To have fun by drinking diet pop, you'd have to drink a CRAPLOAD of diet pop, so I don't know that it's that deadly, but my running joke about diet pop is: "Diet pop is just like regular pop, but watered down and mixed with poison."  :lol:

~D-Draw


I think what the studies say is not that drinking one coke will kill you but that drinking a few cokes a week over a long period of time gives you a greater chance of developing a number of serious life threatning illnesses later in life.


Do you know where I can find that study?

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The Lounge / Aspartame: Delicious or Deadly?
« on: October 17, 2006, 04:35:59 PM »
Quote from: "CrimsonKing"
Quote from: "holybrain"
Quote from: "thedigitalnomad"
I'm fine with Carbon Dihydrogen Monoxide.

Quote from: "holybrain"
Until I found this, I drank diet sodas. Now I won't drink any sodas. It's an important read people. In the liver, aspartame will eventually be converted to rat poison (formaldehyde). So stop being suckered into drinking a possibly deadly chemical NOW! Remember, we used to use lead-based paint.


Formaldehyde is a disinfectant.  You're thinking Arsenic, I'm sure.  I don't think I've ever heard of formaldehyde used as rat poison.  It'd probably work, though.


The point is that formaldehyde is dangerous.


They usually use formaldehyde to cure dead bodies, and prepare them for burial, that stuff itches and stinks, a friend of mine rubbed my arm with it after his anatomny lab where they disected animals


So do you think it's not dangerous?

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The Lounge / Aspartame: Delicious or Deadly?
« on: October 17, 2006, 03:26:47 AM »
Quote from: "thedigitalnomad"
I'm fine with Carbon Dihydrogen Monoxide.

Quote from: "holybrain"
Until I found this, I drank diet sodas. Now I won't drink any sodas. It's an important read people. In the liver, aspartame will eventually be converted to rat poison (formaldehyde). So stop being suckered into drinking a possibly deadly chemical NOW! Remember, we used to use lead-based paint.


Formaldehyde is a disinfectant.  You're thinking Arsenic, I'm sure.  I don't think I've ever heard of formaldehyde used as rat poison.  It'd probably work, though.


The point is that formaldehyde is dangerous.

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Flat Earth Q&A / A Quick Question About Logic
« on: October 17, 2006, 03:10:17 AM »
Quote from: "phaseshifter"
Quote from: "Unimportant"
It's risky, you're likely to get shot,



Why would I get shot?


Because of the icewall guards.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Gravity Question
« on: October 16, 2006, 06:26:21 PM »
Quote from: "phaseshifter"
Quote from: "Kryptid"
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That is incorrect. Object that have a neutral charge are still subject to the magnetic force. In order to be neutral, an object needs to have it's positive charge equal to it's negative charge. A neutral charge is not the same as an abcense of therof.

Hence why I used neutrinos as an example. They are electrically neutral, and are not composed of more fundamental charges.


Neutrinos complacate everything. They refuse to obey the same laws as other memebrs of their family, like water.


How are neutrinos and water in the same family?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Hi, I just noticed a very big problem.
« on: October 16, 2006, 06:24:04 PM »
Quote from: "phaseshifter"
Quote from: "GeoGuy"
Quote from: "phaseshifter"

The only thing you did was disagree, you presented no infromation to support your position. It is possible to verify if planes where flying EVERYTIME satellite imagry. Also, you only quoted PART of what I Said, why your your arguments were limited to a 4 word sentence that shows nothing else than the fact that you disagree.


I disagree because you've shown no evidence to suggest that there have been satellite pictures taken when no planes were flying overhead. You just made a general statement to the world at large with no supporting information to go along with it.


I just told you, IT CAN BE VERIFIED. Where's YOUR evidence that satellite imagry is done by planes?

All you have to do is collect a random amount of pictures and hpotage that was done on satellite imagery and compare them all with air traffic. If you 're right, there should be a plane at the EXACT spot the picture was taken everytime it was used for EVERY existing picture.

On the other hand, THIS is your argument quoted from your reply.

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It's not.


And then you accuse ME of not providing information. Gods.


Fine. Go nuts. Although I don't think that U-2 spy planes that would be taking these pictures in an FE model are in very many pictures.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Gravity Question
« on: October 16, 2006, 05:45:49 PM »
Quote from: "Rainer"
but we would be accelorating at the same rate as the earth


Not unless you had a jetpack.

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