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Check out this path: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/18/sports/antarctica-race-tracker-map.html

The racers go right up to the "South Pole", then make a sharp left turn to avoid going past it. Gee, I wonder what might inspire such an odd course

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Flat Earth General / Re: Measuring the real height of the ISS
« on: October 20, 2018, 12:42:00 PM »
Classic RE mistake

Don't get me wrong, I love Scott Manley's channel and this is a great little experiment if you happen to believe in RET.

But his calculations rely on assumptions about the size of and distance to the sun, which are not valid in FET. Presumably, and I must admit that I'm not going to put in the effort under any circumstances, if you did this calculation using FE statistics you'd find that the ISS is, as predicted, merely at the height of a fast moving stratospheric blimp

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Rather than get into a long drawn out discussion about who's the "only true flat earthers" etc, I'll ignore all that stuff.
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We true Flat Earthers are playing a long game. We are keeping the flame alive until a time when society has advanced to the degree that the true nature of the world can be seriously reevaluated. It won't likely happen in our lifetimes. We're like the parabolic old man planting the tree.
The "long game"?
The idea of the earth being Globe started before 500 BC though more for philosophical reasons than based on evidence - Pythagoras and Plato thought perfectly round thing were cool!
Then Aristotle came along and by then there was some observational evidence that the earth was not flat and that the sun and moon were a great distance from there.

But your flat earth ideas did not start till the 1800s as a reaction to the perceived dangers of Darwinism.

This is all accurate, and also has no bearing on the relative accuracy of the two theories. RET has been assumed for most of human civilization. Philosophers like Aristotle came up with post-hoc justifications for the idea, but RET is largely an organic phenomenon that became too entrenched to question.
So you ignore all the observations and measurements of:
Eratosthenes, Hipparchus, Aristarchus of Samos, Al-Biruni, Galileo, Tycho Brahe, Isaac Newton and many more.
These people made numerous observations and measurement consistent only with the earth's being a Globe with a distant sun and moon.

See, this is the basic conceit of globularism. What they actually did is take observations and analyze their data from the starting assumption of a round Earth. Take Eratosthenes, for instance. His work is widely cited by scandalized globularists as a top reason why we're obligated to take them seriously. But all he did was calculate the curvature of the earth, should it be round. The same data, starting from the assumption that the Earth is flat, give us the distance to the sun.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flight times, also WW2
« on: October 11, 2018, 05:13:22 PM »
So to be clear, your approach to this conversation is to insult us and then ask us to prove ourselves wrong because you're too lazy to do it yourself? You must have a lot of friends

Which is an unnecessarily rude way of saying, if you want someone to do that math you're gonna have to do it yourself. Or maybe Rabinoz will do it for you, they're pretty dedicated

It's not clear to me what your other points are, but if you're willing to clarify that for me I'd be happy to try to approach them

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flight times, also WW2
« on: October 11, 2018, 04:46:55 PM »
Dude, the bombers didn't fly from Japan to Hawaii. They used aircraft carriers

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: October 11, 2018, 02:06:33 PM »
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=URXWFs%2bs&id=3BAC93057E55EE9B3FC51E59925F810DD5B4066D&thid=OIP.URXWFs-sFOU-z7bYmh7IpQHaHU&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.label56.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2feminem-vs-kanye1.jpg&exph=948&expw=960&q=eminem%2fkanye+meme&simid=608013036443077485&selectedIndex=1&ajaxhist=0

Well, yeah. What do you expect to happen. We lefties think that Trump supporters are reactionary neo-monarchists in serious need of forced reeducation, who intentionally or otherwise are active supports of a white supremacist agenda. Of course people are gonna freak out on Kanye West, an influential black artist, for supporting white supremacy. People are gonna be upset about that


I'm a proud deplorable ;)

Irrelevant

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Coriolis Effect
« on: October 11, 2018, 02:04:34 PM »
Its so "simple" and doesnt rely on "ridiculous theory"?
Ok taus.
Try and explain ether in relation to hemisphere of stars, moon phases, sun, mars wobble, calculate this eddy, the iss and nasa, why the edge of earth hasnt erroded by said eddy, and so on...
- if its so simple.

Sure.

1) Eyewalls
2) Lunar microbiota
3) Eyewalls
4) What about "mars wobble" would you like me to explain?
5) This isn't a question
6) Conspiracy
7) Superfluid properties of aether

1) Perpetual typhoons all across the planet? As observed by?
2) Digestive tract evidence?
3) See #1
4) Yes
5) Not sure what number 5 is.
6) NASA Conspiracy? Do go on.
7) Aether and its 'superfluid properties' as evidenced by? Not saying it doesn't exist, but there haven't been any peer reviewed studies that confirm it does.

1) Eyewalls of the aetheric whirlpool, not of terrestrial storms
2) Hey, I didn't come up with the term. Pretty sure it was Wilmore or Ichi
6) Read the FAQ
7) You're describing a structural problem that I've written about extensively. As I've said many times, I consider myself a flat Earth theorist. My goal is to create a self-consistent model, which future researchers will be able to prove or falsify in a future time when either flat earth research is considered acceptable by our capitalist overlords, or after the revolution rids us of said overlords. As it is, I'm an academic scientist who would lose my job in an afternoon if I publically supported FET. It's just not possible in the current environment

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: October 11, 2018, 01:21:16 PM »
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=URXWFs%2bs&id=3BAC93057E55EE9B3FC51E59925F810DD5B4066D&thid=OIP.URXWFs-sFOU-z7bYmh7IpQHaHU&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.label56.com%2fwp-content%2fuploads%2feminem-vs-kanye1.jpg&exph=948&expw=960&q=eminem%2fkanye+meme&simid=608013036443077485&selectedIndex=1&ajaxhist=0

Well, yeah. What do you expect to happen. We lefties think that Trump supporters are reactionary neo-monarchists in serious need of forced reeducation, who intentionally or otherwise are active supports of a white supremacist agenda. Of course people are gonna freak out on Kanye West, an influential black artist, for supporting white supremacy. People are gonna be upset about that

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The Lounge / Re: Donald's Dilemma
« on: October 11, 2018, 01:12:19 PM »
Hey everyone, I'm new to this forum but have been a member of TFES for a few years now. My name is Donald and I'm currently majoring in physics at MIT. Although physics proves that the earth is flat, my current physics teacher believes that the earth is round. -silly him-  ::) ::) Do you guys have any good points to bring up in class to help out? Also looking to make friends to discuss this topic!!
Thanks in advance mortals  :)

Ask your professor why he hates God. When he explodes in rage, saying that God killed his mother, ask him quietly "how can you hate something that doesn't exist?" He will leave the lecture hall in shame, defeated by your superior evangelical mind. Then you will become the professor (as is written into all university bylaws) and you will have the freedom to teach your class about FET

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Coriolis Effect
« on: October 11, 2018, 01:03:08 PM »
Its so "simple" and doesnt rely on "ridiculous theory"?
Ok taus.
Try and explain ether in relation to hemisphere of stars, moon phases, sun, mars wobble, calculate this eddy, the iss and nasa, why the edge of earth hasnt erroded by said eddy, and so on...
- if its so simple.

Sure.

1) Eyewalls
2) Lunar microbiota
3) Eyewalls
4) What about "mars wobble" would you like me to explain?
5) This isn't a question
6) Conspiracy
7) Superfluid properties of aether

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Comets
« on: October 11, 2018, 12:58:59 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean. Why would the existence of comets be inconsistent with FET?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Infinite Sphere
« on: October 11, 2018, 12:57:24 PM »
I have no memory of John ever saying that. Could you post a link?

It's an interesting concept. Mathematically they'd be the same, right? A sphere of infinite diameter would have a curvature of 0 degrees per kilometer

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Flat Earth General / Re: Open to friendly debate
« on: October 11, 2018, 06:41:22 AM »
I have found that it's best to stay off the Q&A Section with anything that isn't that directly connected with FE.
The Debate Section seems to be the best place to stay out of trouble.

Totally agree. Debate is really the forum that's supposed be reserved for RE'ers trying to argue FE is impossible/stupid/ludicrous/gay/evil/wrong. In practice there's plenty of this type of conversation in General as well, which is fine. Q&A is meant to be a place for people to ask questions about FE and try to better understand the theory, without regulars trying to be epic and derail the thread/make it about themselves. Q&A is for questions to be answered, Debate is for answers to be disputed, and general is for whatever i dunno. In theory. In practice it's all more blurry than that

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Flat Earth General / Re: Re: The Coriolis Effect
« on: October 10, 2018, 07:44:37 PM »
Hi Tausami, yes, when I watch a sunset, as the entire horizon moves upwards and eventually hides the sun, I do feel like I'm moving at over 1000 kilometers an hour. It's an awesome spaceship we're all on!

So, how many people do you know of, who have fallen off the edge of the world?

Chris Spaghetti tried, but the NASA snipers got him first.

tl;dr, but:

Coriolis force is easily explained as an artifact caused by the shadow of the aetheric whirlpool, much like leaves spinning in an eddy. It's actually quite simple, and requires no ridiculous theories of ball-earths spinning at impossible speeds
  • The is no evidence, Zetetic or otherwise, of any "shadow of the aetheric whirlpool".

  • The Globe is not "spinning at impossible speeds" but at slightly more than one revolution per 24 hours.

  • This "aetheric whirlpool" hypothesis fails completely to address the observation that low pressure weather systems
             in the Northern Hemisphere (including hurricanes and typhoons) rotate anti-clockwise
    and
             In the Southern Hemisphere (including cyclones) rotate clockwise.

    But high pressure weather systems
             in the Northern Hemisphere rotate clockwise
    and
             In the Southern Hemisphere rotate anti-clockwise.

    And an important question is why the differences in rotation direction and why is the dividing line is the equator and not the sun-path or some other dividing line?
Care to comment?

Care greatly. To your point about high vs low pressure, and their directionalities, I think you'll find that if you do the math it works out equivalently regardless of whether the forces involved come from changing position on a spinning ball or a force more equivalent to friction

As for why the direction changes at the equator, it's the other way around. The equator is necessarily at the point where the whirlpool and the Earth are static relative to each other, because the equator is defined by the movement of the sun and the sun's movement is defined by the whirlpool

The reason the Earth and the whirlpool have changing rotational velocities, relative to each other, is that the Earth is spinning with different dynamics than the whirlwind. The Earth moves like an axle, whereas the whirlwind moves like an eddy. The wind is slowest at the edges and fastest in the center (in terms of angular velocity) while the Earth has a constant angular velocity. The point where the two velocities work out equal is called the equator

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Flat Earth General / Re: Open to friendly debate
« on: October 10, 2018, 07:28:41 PM »
Hello friend! I assure you, it's easier to find polite disagreement as a RE'er here than it is as an FE'er. We havent permabammed New Earth yet, so you'll probably be fine

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We're the only real flat earthers. Those weird YouTube cultists are just looking for a conspiracy theory to make their lives seem less meaningless.
Tell that to Mark Sargent, Rob Skiba, Eric Dubay, Jeran Campanela and many more i could easily chase up!

You're a fan of the "going in circles until your opponent gets bored" theory of debate, aren't you?

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We have no consistent model for two reasons:

1) In the absence of any opportunity to perform rigorous scientific analysis, we are limited to acting as mere theoreticians. And as any globularist (shill) physicist will tell you, no two theoreticians will agree.
Really? I believe that you are confusing "theories" with "hypotheses". If you are "limited to acting as mere theoreticians" how did you first come to believe that the earth is flat?

Read the FAQ, and look up the definition of the term "theoretician". It's a scientist who thinks really hard and does a lot of math instead of doing experiments. Theoretics are about coming up with models that fit available evidence, and finding falsifiable predictions made by that model that others can one day test.

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Did you just look at the horizon and see that it looks flat and so decide, as many have done, that the earth must be flat?
Well, tough luck! The horizon on our Globe should look as flat as anyone could determine with a straight edge.

Read the FAQ. You have too many posts to be a noob

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There's just more than one way to explain an observation, and without the opportunity to experiment we can only conjecture. Multiple possible theories, each with elements of the truth, will be more useful to the experimenters who come after us than a single, coherent, and mostly incorrect theory would be.
Possibly, but all I see are flat earth hypotheses with no theoretical or supporting evidence.

See above

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We true Flat Earthers are playing a long game. We are keeping the flame alive until a time when society has advanced to the degree that the true nature of the world can be seriously reevaluated. It won't likely happen in our lifetimes. We're like the parabolic old man planting the tree.
The "long game"?
The idea of the earth being Globe started before 500 BC though more for philosophical reasons than based on evidence - Pythagoras and Plato thought perfectly round thing were cool!
Then Aristotle came along and by then there was some observational evidence that the earth was not flat and that the sun and moon were a great distance from there.

But your flat earth ideas did not start till the 1800s as a reaction to the perceived dangers of Darwinism.

This is all accurate, and also has no bearing on the relative accuracy of the two theories. RET has been assumed for most of human civilization. Philosophers like Aristotle came up with post-hoc justifications for the idea, but RET is largely an organic phenomenon that became too entrenched to question. There was no experimental evidence supporting the claim that the Earth is round until the mid 20th century, when NASA fabricated it to cover up their inability to compete in the space race (against the Soviets who, separately, we're also fabricating evidence to cover up their inability to compete with the Americans. There's no reason to believe either side knew the other was also lying, at least in the beginning)

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2) Any serious flat Earth model is based on a rigorous foundation of Zeteticism, which precludes the consideration of others' theories when adopting one's own worldview.
That's seems be a bit odd when most flat earthers claim that the earth has a shape like the UN flag or the North Polar AEP map.
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United Nations flag
The most recent world model propagated by the Flat Earth Society holds that humans live on a disc, with the North Pole at its center and a 150-foot (45 m) high wall of ice at the outer edge. The resulting map resembles the symbol of the United Nations, which Johnson used as evidence for his position.

I can't speak for ol' Johnson's ideas. As you pointed out, early modern FET did have ties to purveyors of antiscience who had some weird ideas.

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Allowing oneself to be biased by those ideas which have come before one is simply a way of ignoring the truth that is right before one's eyes.
Agreed! And I see contrary evidence to any flat earth model every time I see the sun rise or the moon rise from behind the horizon and stay the same apparent size even when right overhead.

Flat-earthers are just as much indoctrinated by YouTube videos and the writings of people like Rowbotham (Parallax) and Albert Smith (Zetetes) as any Globe supporters might be.

But, in the opinion of some, modern education is a bit akin to indoctrinated, where the students are taught facts, such as "the earth is a Globe . . " and not how to inquire for themselves why the earth might be a Globe or any other shape.

I'm not sure I agree, but I see where you're coming from

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I'm not saying the YouTubers are in it for the money, I'm saying they're in it to satisfy their personal neuroses

The Eric Dubay types, I'm saying are being paid by NASA and co to imitate FET in "safe" way and dilute and discredit the real FET. Kinda like how the CIA infiltrated the Black Panther Movement to make them look like violent criminals

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None of this is inconsistent with Flat Earth Theory. The pilot is simply using a poorly optimised flight path based on inaccurate information

And that 'poorly optimized flight path based on inaccurate information' is what flies millions of people effectively around the world, every day? Interesting.

And as a Zetecist, how would you know such a thing? According to you, you're knowledge is solely based upon your personal observations and experience. Nothing fore nor aft weighs in. So you have flown enough times to extrapolate to know that the rest of the worlds flights are flown 'inaccurately'? Curious.

It's a necessary consequence of the Earth being flat, which is confirmed beyond any possible reasonable doubt (though, of course, not beyond the reasonless doubt of the masses). Zeteticism is direct observation, combined with rigorous logic. All else is religion.

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2) Any serious flat Earth model is based on a rigorous foundation of Zeteticism, which precludes the consideration of others' theories when adopting one's own worldview. Allowing oneself to be biased by those ideas which have come before one is simply a way of ignoring the truth that is right before one's eyes.

So, as a Zete, you don't believe in anyone, anything, any notion of anything that came before you? Do you believe what time it is?

As a zeteticist, I believe only what I have personal direct evidence of. Since time is an arbitrary human construction, which only exists to make our lives easier and only works if we all agree to use the same system, I have no problem adhering to the little number in the corner of my computer screen.

Great, have you ever been on a plane? If so, then you might delight in the fact that your pilot is guiding you to your destination with utmost care and concern as well as taking the most expedient route as defined by a great circle. Do you as well adhere to that notion? Or is his/her training an arbitrary construct that is their theory which should not be adopted because you have no prior experience as a pilot?

None of this is inconsistent with Flat Earth Theory. The pilot is simply using a poorly optimised flight path based on inaccurate information

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Coriolis Effect
« on: October 09, 2018, 07:05:53 PM »
tl;dr, but:

Coriolis force is easily explained as an artifact caused by the shadow of the aetheric whirlpool, much like leaves spinning in an eddy. It's actually quite simple, and requires no ridiculous theories of ball-earths spinning at impossible speeds

What's so impossible about once every 24 hours? Sounds positively sluggish to me.

Do you feel like you're moving at 1,000 mph? I don't

So what?  No one ever suggested you should.

When you sit on a plane at cruising speed, you donít feel like youíre moving at over 500 mph either.  You can even stand up and walk normally to the toilet without being slammed into the back of the cabin.

That's different. The plane is moving in a straight line. Since the earth is supposed to be moving in a circle, we really ought to be tossed into the atmosphere by the certifugals if the Earth is round. Not that globularists will ever concede that basic fact

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2) Any serious flat Earth model is based on a rigorous foundation of Zeteticism, which precludes the consideration of others' theories when adopting one's own worldview. Allowing oneself to be biased by those ideas which have come before one is simply a way of ignoring the truth that is right before one's eyes.

So, as a Zete, you don't believe in anyone, anything, any notion of anything that came before you? Do you believe what time it is?

As a zeteticist, I believe only what I have personal direct evidence of. Since time is an arbitrary human construction, which only exists to make our lives easier and only works if we all agree to use the same system, I have no problem adhering to the little number in the corner of my computer screen.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Coriolis Effect
« on: October 09, 2018, 06:50:28 PM »
Point?

I'm pretty sure I'm making my position clear. Although I'm not a moderator, I would certainly advise you to avoid low-content posting.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Coriolis Effect
« on: October 09, 2018, 06:41:02 PM »
tl;dr, but:

Coriolis force is easily explained as an artifact caused by the shadow of the aetheric whirlpool, much like leaves spinning in an eddy. It's actually quite simple, and requires no ridiculous theories of ball-earths spinning at impossible speeds

Conversely, Coriolis force is easily explained as an artifact caused by the earths spinning at a speed which is expected to maintain it's gravitational force and orbit in the solar system as exhaustively evidenced by experiment after experiment. It's actually quite simple, and requires no ridiculous theories of shadow of the aetheric whirlpool, a thing of which that is undefined, unobserved and for all intents and purposes, somewhat 'alchemic' and mythological.

tl;dr, but:

Coriolis force is easily explained as an artifact caused by the shadow of the aetheric whirlpool, much like leaves spinning in an eddy. It's actually quite simple, and requires no ridiculous theories of ball-earths spinning at impossible speeds

What's so impossible about once every 24 hours? Sounds positively sluggish to me.

Do you feel like you're moving at 1,000 mph? I don't

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Daniel of The FES is the person who took up and continued the so important legacy of FET with its research and perpetuation of purpose.

Until an official press release is offered by Daniel announcing a new leader, he continues to hold reign over all FEers.   
I mean no disrespect to Daniel but saying that he "continues to hold reign over all FEers" is a gross exaggeration.
Of course, I respect his leadership of this society but the society at TFES.org seems to be lead by Parsifal.

But these two societies represent just a few of the flat-Earthers spread over the Globe.
Then there is the International Flat Earth Research Society headed by Eric Dubay and I could go on and on.

Then apart from the many other flat-earth groups there is the FEIC that the very prominent flat-earth proponent was addressing in those videos.
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The 2018 Flat Earth International Conference (FEIC) is the 2nd annual conference hosted by Kryptoz Media. FEIC features presenters from various backgrounds and belief systems who have each made an impact on the larger Flat Earth community. FEIC is not in any way affiliated with the Flat Earth Society.
And the FEIC takes pains to stress "FEIC is not in any way affiliated with the Flat Earth Society.".

This place, I'm sorry to say, represents only a tiny fraction of the flat-earthers out there.

Parsy and PP1 are pretenders to the throne. They got upset because Daniel didn't upgrade the website often enough, so they took their marbles and went home

I'm joking, of course. They did a great job with their new site. But they're a sister site to ours and I don't think it's quite fair to describe them as a separate entity. Every once in a while we have discussions about reuniting, but the terms are never satisfactory to both sides (I find the situation comparable to moments in the English Civil War).
______

Eric Dubay and the "Kryptoz Media Group" are controlled opposition. NASA stooges. Don't trust them

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Coriolis Effect
« on: October 09, 2018, 06:31:27 PM »
tl;dr, but:

Coriolis force is easily explained as an artifact caused by the shadow of the aetheric whirlpool, much like leaves spinning in an eddy. It's actually quite simple, and requires no ridiculous theories of ball-earths spinning at impossible speeds

What's so impossible about once every 24 hours? Sounds positively sluggish to me.

Do you feel like you're moving at 1,000 mph? I don't

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it is productive to see other FE interested sites on the net as long as their motivation is real and proper.
Of course the "motivation is real and proper".
One motivation is to show the total distortion of history by various popular flat-earth video presenters including Mark Sargent.
And another is pointing out how some flat-earth YouTube video presenters, the worst being Jeranism (Jeran Campanella), make vile emotive accusations against their opponents like their being "KNOWN LIARS? Killers? Masons? Nazis? Satan Worshipers? "

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They help expose more people to FET.
And I'll do my best to expose the evil side of many YouTube proponents of the flat-earth like Jeran Campanella and
the many incorrect and deceptive claims made by even prominent flat-Earthers like Mark Sargent.

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However, our FES's are credited with continuing the official line of FET  Our combined voices are and will remain the go-to contributors of FE legacy.       
I am not accusing members here of the worst of the above but none can deny that for the Earth to be flat many hundreds of thousands have to be accused of lying. Just look up "Place of the Conspiracy in FET" in your Wiki.

You might claim "the official line of FET" but I fail to see that with so few real flat-Earthers here and no consistent FET.
There seems to be no agreement on even an "official Flat-Earth map" and in my opinion, no accurate Flat-Earth map = no Flat-Earth.

We're the only real flat earthers. Those weird YouTube cultists are just looking for a conspiracy theory to make their lives seem less meaningless.

We have no consistent model for two reasons:

1) In the absence of any opportunity to perform rigorous scientific analysis, we are limited to acting as mere theoreticians. And as any globularist (shill) physicist will tell you, no two theoreticians will agree. There's just more than one way to explain an observation, and without the opportunity to experiment we can only conjecture. Multiple possible theories, each with elements of the truth, will be more useful to the experimenters who come after us than a single, coherent, and mostly incorrect theory would be. We true Flat Earthers are playing a long game. We are keeping the flame alive until a time when society has advanced to the degree that the true nature of the world can be seriously reevaluated. It won't likely happen in our lifetimes. We're like the parabolic old man planting the tree.

2) Any serious flat Earth model is based on a rigorous foundation of Zeteticism, which precludes the consideration of others' theories when adopting one's own worldview. Allowing oneself to be biased by those ideas which have come before one is simply a way of ignoring the truth that is right before one's eyes.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Coriolis Effect
« on: October 09, 2018, 06:09:52 PM »
tl;dr, but:

Coriolis force is easily explained as an artifact caused by the shadow of the aetheric whirlpool, much like leaves spinning in an eddy. It's actually quite simple, and requires no ridiculous theories of ball-earths spinning at impossible speeds

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Romney is winning by a landslide
« on: October 09, 2018, 05:48:32 PM »
He is

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Flat Earth General / Mouse spotted in 'Mars' footage
« on: November 25, 2015, 07:24:45 PM »
Pretty clear evidence that sloppy NASA techs have been faking images. Just more proof that the 'Mars' rover images are actually taken somewhere in Arizona.

http://www.iflscience.com/space/there-really-giant-mouse-mars-0

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