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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 23, 2016, 02:52:16 AM »
You can make a formula to fit anything.

It's the same formula whether its applied to a golf ball or a planet, no one is "making a formula to fit anything"
Of coarse its the same formula, somebody did have to make it but that does not prove the earth is round.
Its just a formula.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 23, 2016, 02:44:30 AM »
Ok, you didn't say centrifugal force throws me back in my drag car seat. Sorry.
But you are right I am a liar, I have admitted it on this very forum in the past.
That does not change the fact you are living on a round ball fantasy.

Let's go through this again. Velocity. Velocity means that you are moving at a certain speed, in a certain direction. If you change either your speed or direction, you are accelerating. For speed it's obvious. For direction:

That V with a triangle in front is added speed. As you can see, it is mostly sideways, but also a bit back. So it slows you down just a little,at the same time as it speeds you up sideways. in the end, you will be moving at the same speed as earlier, but your direction will have changed.

You with me so far?
You don't get it do you?
I am not on a ball, you are.
You can make a formula to fit anything.
*sigh*

No, you can't make a formula fit anything. You can find a formula for almost everything, but you can't make it work for everything else. And exactly HOW do you expect to prove a point without providing neither calculations or evidence etc.?
All formula's have to be made up. They were not here before us.
Or were they?

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 23, 2016, 02:41:05 AM »
OK done,

For an object with a mass of 1Kg at a latitude on earth that gives 1kph rotational speed, the centripetal force is approximately .0000202 N (point zero zero zero zero two zero two)

The latitude at this point is approximately 89.96569115 degrees and the slice through the earth at that latitude has a radius of approximately 3814.97 meters.
Well done!

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 23, 2016, 02:37:58 AM »
Ok, you didn't say centrifugal force throws me back in my drag car seat. Sorry.
But you are right I am a liar, I have admitted it on this very forum in the past.
That does not change the fact you are living on a round ball fantasy.

Let's go through this again. Velocity. Velocity means that you are moving at a certain speed, in a certain direction. If you change either your speed or direction, you are accelerating. For speed it's obvious. For direction:

That V with a triangle in front is added speed. As you can see, it is mostly sideways, but also a bit back. So it slows you down just a little,at the same time as it speeds you up sideways. in the end, you will be moving at the same speed as earlier, but your direction will have changed.

You with me so far?
You don't get it do you?
I am not on a ball, you are.
You can make a formula to fit anything.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 23, 2016, 02:31:11 AM »

Why do you keep trying to bring acceleration into the debate?
I am talking about doing a left hand turn at a constant speed of 1,600 kph.

I don't think you have a clear idea of what acceleration is, or that speed is a vector or how to work with vectors
Shit, no one has said that to me in this thread yet. Oh no I have lied again.
I get it now. 1600 kph is very slow that is why if a tennis ball rotates once in 24 hours you will not fall off even if you stick your hand in water and pull it out some will be stuck to the underside even though if I turn left at 1,600 kph I will not feel any centrifugal force because I am going in a straight line.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 23, 2016, 02:09:21 AM »
Ok, you didn't say centrifugal force throws me back in my drag car seat. Sorry.
But you are right I am a liar, I have admitted it on this very forum in the past.
That does not change the fact you are living on a round ball fantasy.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 23, 2016, 02:02:34 AM »

Again, it isn't.

He nearly had me convinced that when I do a 400m run in my drag car it was centrifugal force throwing me back into the seat and you feel acceleration when you turn.
Cheeky bugger!

Wait, you thought I said that? Lol.

You did. Only it was not a drag car it was jet pilots.
Wow. Lying. That's low.
I have. Couldn't find where I said you experience centrifugal force when accelerating along a straight path, liar.
You said the jet pilots would not be able to reach the controls.
No, I said that If you were right in that speed is the only major cause for centrifugal force, and that it does not matter how large the turn is, then it would not matter if it was straight, and therefore a jet pilot could not reach forwards to the controls. I did not say that when you accelerate forwards you feel centrifugal force, liar.
Oh I get it now, when I mentioned the drag car/centrifugal force you could not see I was taking the piss.
Go back and read it again.

"Taking the piss is a Commonwealth term meaning to take liberties at the expense of others, or to be unreasonable. It is often used to mean (or confused with) taking the piss out of, which is an expression meaning to mock, tease, ridicule, or scoff".

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 23, 2016, 01:47:54 AM »

Again, it isn't.

He nearly had me convinced that when I do a 400m run in my drag car it was centrifugal force throwing me back into the seat and you feel acceleration when you turn.
Cheeky bugger!

Wait, you thought I said that? Lol.

You did. Only it was not a drag car it was jet pilots.
Wow. Lying. That's low.
I have. Couldn't find where I said you experience centrifugal force when accelerating along a straight path, liar.
You said the jet pilots would not be able to reach the controls.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 23, 2016, 01:44:56 AM »

Duh #2 How could you possibly do a turn at 0 kph. You would never get there!

We changed it to 1 kph a while back. Just so the mungo's would not get confused.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 23, 2016, 01:41:57 AM »

Again, it isn't.

He nearly had me convinced that when I do a 400m run in my drag car it was centrifugal force throwing me back into the seat and you feel acceleration when you turn.
Cheeky bugger!

Wait, you thought I said that? Lol.

You did. Only it was not a drag car it was jet pilots.
Wow. Lying. That's low.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 23, 2016, 01:27:08 AM »

Again, it isn't.

He nearly had me convinced that when I do a 400m run in my drag car it was centrifugal force throwing me back into the seat and you feel acceleration when you turn.
Cheeky bugger!

Wait, you thought I said that? Lol.

You did. Only it was not a drag car it was jet pilots.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 23, 2016, 12:48:14 AM »
Comparing that to doing a left hand turn of 0 kph.

How long have you believed you can move without moving? or are you asking from a zen POV?, I guess it would only makes sense to someone trying to do science without ever having opened a book on science.

Can I join in? What is the sound of one hand clapping?

Also for your benefit we will walk a little distance from the north pole until we reach a speed of 1 kph to do our left hand turn. Hopefully now there is no confusion for you.

Not sure yet, going to have to do some math to work out what the radius the earth would be at 1kph first.
Just use F=ma, you cant go wrong.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 23, 2016, 12:45:36 AM »

Again, it isn't.

He nearly had me convinced that when I do a 400m run in my drag car it was centrifugal force throwing me back into the seat and you feel acceleration when you turn.
Cheeky bugger!

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 22, 2016, 11:58:31 PM »
Comparing that to doing a left hand turn of 0 kph.

How long have you believed you can move without moving? or are you asking from a zen POV?, I guess it would only makes sense to someone trying to do science without ever having opened a book on science.

Can I join in? What is the sound of one hand clapping?
Of coarse you can join in. With the examples of funnies you just tried to crack, absolutely!
Hey, whats a zen POV?
Also for your benefit we will walk a little distance from the north pole until we reach a speed of 1 kph to do our left hand turn. Hopefully now there is no confusion for you.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 22, 2016, 11:15:31 PM »
Which means jet pilots should not be able to bend forwards to reach the controls,
Why do you keep trying to bring acceleration into the debate?
I am talking about doing a left hand turn at a constant speed of 1,600 kph.
Comparing that to doing a left hand turn of 0 kph.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 22, 2016, 05:08:50 PM »
@tappet
How would you calculate the centrfugal force for the Earth then since you don't seem to agree with the math that has been presented?
I do not need to. Life experience has shown me that a rotational speed of 1,600 kph is very fast.
Somebody trying to tell me rotational speed has no effect on centrifugal force is actually quite funny

Really?

Whatever "Life experience" have YOU had that has shown you "that a rotational speed of 1,600 kph is very fast"?

What is the fastest you have ever travelled? The best I can claim is a ground speed of a bit over 1,000 kph at about 30,000 m altitude.

And to be completely honest there was absolutely NO indication that I was travelling at that sort of speed - a bit of engine and other noise, but no feeling of movement at all.

I AM NOT saying "rotational speed has no effect on centrifugal force".
But first, what do you mean by "rotational speed"? The surface speed of the earth is about 1,670 kph, the rotational speed is one revolution in a bit under 24 hours or about 0.0007 rpm.

The centrifugal force depends on the (mass of the object) x (surface speed squared) / radius.
So certainly depends on the surface speed (465.5 m/s), but also the radius (6,384 km or 6,384,000 m).

The radius is so large that the centrifugal force is quite unnoticeable.
Nice Bolding

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 22, 2016, 05:07:48 PM »

Or drive a car at 60 mph and make a turn with a radius of 20 feet and compare it to the same speed as a turn with a radius of 200 feet.  Would they feel the same?
Nice try!

Are you trying to learn nothing?
Nice try
60 mph- 20feet
600mph- 200 feet

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 22, 2016, 05:03:32 PM »

Or drive a car at 60 mph and make a turn with a radius of 20 feet and compare it to the same speed as a turn with a radius of 200 feet.  Would they feel the same?
Nice try!

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 22, 2016, 03:24:59 PM »
From my topic on the other forum:

Quote from: You Wouldn't Know How Fast You're Going
Flat-earthers often say that it's unbelievable that we would be moving through space so fast. They say that the earth seems solid and stationary, and we would be able to feel if it was whizzing through space or spinning at 1000 mph.

However, this is not the case.  Consider for a moment that you are riding in a bus.  While it is moving at a constant speed, you get up and move to the other side.  Why don't you get thrown to the back?  The reason is that you retain momentum, and you can only feel acceleration.

Now, about that "1000 mph" statistic.  The equation for centripetal/centrifugal acceleration is a=v2/r.  The radius r is 6371 km, or 6371000 m.  THe velocity v is about 1000 mph, or 460 m/s.  So our function is 4602/6371000 which gives us...
.033 m/s2
For comparison, acceleration due to gravity at the poles is 9.83 m/s2.  You certainly wouldn't be flung off by that, but it has been measured.

So why does the atmosphere stay with the earth's surface?  Well, it too has initial momentum.  This confines it to earth's reference frame.
This initial momentum also explains the Coriolis effect.  Since the surface is spinning faster at the equator, and slower toward the poles, air that moves away from the equator is deflected to the east relative to the surface.  So, if you have an area of low pressure, air is drawn toward it, but air from the equator is deflected east, and air from the poles is deflected west.  That causes hurricanes to rotate clockwise in the southern hemisphere and counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere.  The deflection is measurable and consistent, and weather forecasters have to take it into account in their simulations.  It is also visible in the bands and storms of Jupiter.

So what do you, the Flat Earth Society, have to say about that?  Can you find a better explanation that accounts for the weaker gravity at the equator and the Coriolis effect?  Good luck.
Confusing acceleration with centrifugal forge again.
I would not be posting that on to many forums.
While your driving your bus do a circle in it, see if you move to the side. Dont worry about being thrown to the back of the bus, it will not happen.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 22, 2016, 03:21:14 PM »
@tappet
How would you calculate the centrfugal force for the Earth then since you don't seem to agree with the math that has been presented?
I do not need to. Life experience has shown me that a rotational speed of 1,600 kph is very fast.
Somebody trying to tell me rotational speed has no effect on centrifugal force is actually quite funny

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 22, 2016, 03:00:44 PM »
As ever. Drifting off topic.

Post a model of water curving.
Interesting finish to a thread, Its obvious that REer's have no real life experience with centrifugal force and spend to much time in a math fantasy.
The best bit is the OP. He has got the shits because he wants to keep sticking his hand in a effin bucket to see if water sticks to it to prove the earth is round.
Well done everybody!!

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 22, 2016, 05:50:29 AM »
Nobody can hang onto a rope traveling at 1,600 kph, not even with their teeth.
Acceleration is irrelevant in this situation.

in this situation centrifugal force a fictitious force.
Why?

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 22, 2016, 05:47:00 AM »
And here they come.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 22, 2016, 05:44:32 AM »
Nobody can hang onto a rope traveling at 1,600 kph, not even with their teeth.
Acceleration is irrelevant in this situation.
Sorry to burst your bubble but you are giving examples of math theory not matching reality.
You are certainly not bursting my bubble - don't know that yours does too well though - it goes POP!

Be a little practical!
Where have you ever seen a 6,371 km piece of rope with the object on the end moving at 1,674 kph?
Now, the centripetal acceleration is v2/R
so if we reduce the radius by a factor of 1,000,000 and the velocity bt a factor of 1,000 we will get the same centripetal acceleration to keep object rotating.

Now see if a 6.4 m rope with the object at the 1.67 kph (or 0.465 m/s) seems a bit more reasonable - centripetal acceleration  still 0.034 m/s2.
1,600 kph, do not try to slow it down, the earths radius is not 6.4 meters.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 22, 2016, 05:41:49 AM »
Nobody can hang onto a rope traveling at 1,600 kph, not even with their teeth.
Acceleration is irrelevant in this situation.
Sorry to burst your bubble but you are giving examples of math theory not matching reality.

So, if I were to travel in an airplane going that quickly, I can't bend myself forward to reach the controls? Ridiculous.
Now you are talking about acceleration.
Try again.
You really do not understand centrifugal force do you?

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Antarctic Ice Wall DEBUNKED!
« on: May 22, 2016, 04:37:38 AM »
He joined the team?

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Antarctic Ice Wall DEBUNKED!
« on: May 22, 2016, 03:55:21 AM »
If gravity is a lie (which it would have to be for a flat earth to exist) and the Earth is accelerating through space at 9.81 m/s/s, then what's to keep us from falling off the edge, or rather, going off the edge and the Earth shooting ahead? Also, what about volcanoes? What's on the other side of Earth? See? So many questions and problems with your theory!
If you think you are just going to come along and debunk FEer's think again.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66396.msg1771967#msg1771967
Oh, also shalom and welcome to the trenches OP.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 22, 2016, 03:43:03 AM »
Nobody can hang onto a rope traveling at 1,600 kph, not even with their teeth.
Acceleration is irrelevant in this situation.
Sorry to burst your bubble but you are giving examples of math theory not matching reality.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: How has flat earth changed your life?
« on: May 21, 2016, 11:37:19 PM »
What influence does your belief that the earth is flat not round have on relationships, finances, career? Has it had a positive or negative impact?
Positive, you learn not to argue with loonies.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Water always finds its level
« on: May 21, 2016, 11:21:02 PM »
Now try it this way.
I swing a rope 6,371 km long in a circle with you hanging on to the other end. Because it is so long I will need  to be swinging you at 1,600 kph to complete one revolution in 24 hours.
You will not be able to hang on because in this example centrifugal force will not be imaginary.
I reckon that's case closed.

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