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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: July 27, 2021, 01:52:29 PM »
Lee Fang linked to this article about the perception gap. I thought it was pretty interesting. I see some of this play out right here on our forum https://heterodoxacademy.org/blog/social-science-partisan-perception-gap/

I believe it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: July 27, 2021, 03:05:56 AM »
The Olympics is still a great idea.  But its so full of media attention and tourists and requirements that frankly, it needs to be redone.

Make it simplier maybe.
The cost of running it has become astronomical and the whole thing has become a gravy train.  It should just rotate through the cities  that have held it recently and reuse the facilities that are built and ready to go.

Agreed.  Or hold it in one location every time.  Somewhere neutral.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: July 27, 2021, 12:24:12 AM »
So we're now about 6 months into this administration.  It has been four months since anything of significance has been passed.

I'm starting to get the impression that the Democrats main priority for the next 18 months is to find creative ways to sit on their thumbs and lose the midterms so they don't have to try so hard to find excuses to do nothing.

We lack the view from behind closed doors.  I'd wager they'd love to pass something but
1) Republicans refuse to support anything major because Trump/voters.
2) Democrats are afraid that pushing through something significant will get another insurrection to descend on capital hill.  Because why wouldn't it?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: July 27, 2021, 12:20:44 AM »
The Olympics is still a great idea.  But its so full of media attention and tourists and requirements that frankly, it needs to be redone.

Make it simplier maybe.

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I think he was angrily talking to me about genocide as I actually, literally, right in a post, proposed genocide.  So if he was pointing at you and not referencing me... Thats some high level mental gymnastics.

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I'm probably going to retire myself from this forum because the lunacy and stupidity is becoming unbearable. You are all bunch of Anti Semites and your comments show it.
We hated you before we knew you were a jew. ;)

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JJA you are just a fucking troll. Now you are saying that the Irish are my victims. However I think that it was me who became their victim of their constant patronage and politics. Biden is a con man, a carnie who sells political favor in exchange for fake art. Our entire country is his victim. Open fucking borders, no law, whites becoming second class citizens, I can go on and on but I will stop right there. This bull shit Koombaya that JJA and other liberals on this forum promoting will never happen.  American whites are actually the most tolerant. You think America is racist, go to Russia or Poland, see how tolerant those people are. But I do not blame them, every nation must protect itself from outsiders to maintain its culture and dignity, to protect the economy, the jobs, the schools, the streets, the way of life the honor of those came before us who built the nation. Liberals will never get it, no point to explain any further.
Projecting much?

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You propose genocide so that we get rid of racism? Well that is the most evil and the most twisted statement I ever heard. In other words you propose to kill White people, just admit it.  The admins are asleep at the wheel again, you calling me racist, I'm the most sane person on this forum bitches.
It was pretty tounge in cheek but my point, which you missed, was that removing racism is impossible so long as races exist.  Someome, somewhere, will be racist.

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For the last time assholes, stop saying that Israel is somehow a git to the Jews. First of all some of you don't understand what a Jew is. It is both a religion and ethnicity. Jews are Semites, native to Middle East and Eastern Meditteranian. The Irish politicals and scammers labeled Jews as Caucasians but Jews are by no means Caucasian. In Europe Jews were purged because no one considered them to be White. Did Hitler give us a choice to convert to Christianity? No he exterminated Jews purely for racial reasons. Jewish religion is entirely seperate thing.
See thats where my question is.  What makes a Jew, a Jew?  Where is the line from Religion to race or culture?  If I convert to Jedaism, am I a Jew?  How would I become a Jew if not?

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You guys are saying that Jews were given a country? That is another bad Anti Semitic statement.
Sooo Israel, ancestral home of the Jewish people... Wasn't created?  Or are facts are Anti Semitic?  I'm confused. Because my bible history isn't great but I do recall the Kingom of Israel being home of the Jewish people.  But what do I know?

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I'm actually against creation of Israel because its a sorry ass excuse for Holocaust. Jews all over the world should have been given reparations and every Jew should have gotten any white woman of his choice, instead you mother fuckers sent us to a hot desert, gave us the land the size of Rhode fucking Island and say its enough? It is not enough.
Not sure if you really think that or just angrily yelling troll bait.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Big Tech Censorship
« on: July 26, 2021, 09:59:14 AM »
I already had Covid so fuck you. I didn't die but I was very sick and it didn't feel like a virus, it felt like I was poisoned by a biological weapon. Well it felt like that because its exactly what it is, a biological weapon from China and no face diaper or vaccine is gonna do a damn thing about it.

I already know several people who died from vaccine and I know many who got heart conditions and cancer within 3 months after vaccine. This fucking vaccine is part of a massive depopulation project, designed by global elites, they always wanted it. First they wanted to kill us with nuclear weapons then they realized that everyone including them will die, so they found a virus and the vaccine that will wipe us all out.

Stupid fucking liberals think vaccine is a solution, hahaha, vaccine is fucking death. You die either way, you don't take vaccine you will eventually die from severe strain of Covid and if you do take vaccine you will be dead within five years from really bad health problems. We all dead either way. Welcome to Hell mother fuckers lol

So... 99% of all human life will be dead in 5 years?  Not a very good plan from the elites.  Whose gonna be their slaves?  Oh right... You and your lot. ;P

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I have a problem with discrimination against anyone

I would like to discriminate against the QAnons, KKK, Nazis, antivaxxers and D1 though. Those guys suck!

I have a problem with discrimination against anything that a person didn't choose.

You can't choose to be born black, hispanic or white and don't deserve to be discriminated against because of it.

You can choose to be a racist piece of garbage and absolutely do deserve to be outcast from the rest of society. I should be tolerant and try and help them understand why they are wrong and heal the world with kindness. But seriously. F*ck those people.

Can you choose to be a Jew?  On one hand, its a heratige to some.  On the other, its just a religion and you can choose to not believe it anymore.

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And Holocaust happened in the 1940's. much later then slavery Kabool, so where is my reparation? You guys are saying that racism against blacks still exist, OK you don't think Anti Semitism does? You talking about ideal world, no my friends you are prioritizing one race over another, you wanna give Jews nothing just cause some of us are super loaded. Guess what dude, many blacks are successful and rich too, why do you treat them like such losers?

Jews got a country.
Not my problem if you don't wanna live there.
Jews are also a protected class.  They get special treatment in the US.

Personally I think reparations are not the way to go.
We need to wipe out racism.  And to do that, we need either mind control, brute force, or genocide.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Big Tech Censorship
« on: July 25, 2021, 09:57:02 PM »
If you want to abolish Columbus, you basically need to change Western Hemisphere as we know it, changing the names of countless cities and towns, including the country of Columbia, good luck on that one.
Lets start with one country, one holiday, one bit of propoganda.... And go from there, eh?

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You said that the Spanish wiped out Aztecs? No man the Spanish colonization of Central and South America was very different then Anglo Saxon practices in North America. You see Spain is Catholic and as long as Natives converted to Catholicism they went unharmed and actually married European Spanish people. Do you even know that most people in Latin and South America are a mixture of white Spaniards and native Americans. Most Mexicans are actually completely Native with no European blood, so how did the Spaniards wiped them out? Ridiculous.
O.o

So... Let me get this straight.  Its not wiping out a culture and civilization... If the people abandon their culture and take yours in order to survive?
Wow. 
So what you're saying is that if every Jew in the world converted to Islam or died, Jews would still exist?
Do you understand how dumb you sound?  And how evil?

Those that didn't convert were still protected by the "Leyes de Indias", which abolished slavery for the natives and gave them the same status as the Spanish citizens.

In 1500 Queen Isabel abolished their slavery and granted the natives the right to have private property. In 1540,  King Charles V banned forced evangelization.

Other laws included the right to get fair salaries, protection against harassment and, as times passed, 8 hour workdays, weekends, etc, exactly at the same time as in mainland Spain.
Yeah.... But only after they were conquored.  And judging by how well the various native civilizations are doing now... I'm gonna claim it wasn't very effective in preserving cuktures.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: July 25, 2021, 08:14:14 AM »
The logo looks straight ripped out of Star Trek lol. Do they even take this stupid shit seriously?

Good.
Lets hope they rip off a few other ideas from Trek.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Big Tech Censorship
« on: July 24, 2021, 01:50:57 PM »
If you want to abolish Columbus, you basically need to change Western Hemisphere as we know it, changing the names of countless cities and towns, including the country of Columbia, good luck on that one.
Lets start with one country, one holiday, one bit of propoganda.... And go from there, eh?

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You said that the Spanish wiped out Aztecs? No man the Spanish colonization of Central and South America was very different then Anglo Saxon practices in North America. You see Spain is Catholic and as long as Natives converted to Catholicism they went unharmed and actually married European Spanish people. Do you even know that most people in Latin and South America are a mixture of white Spaniards and native Americans. Most Mexicans are actually completely Native with no European blood, so how did the Spaniards wiped them out? Ridiculous.
O.o

So... Let me get this straight.  Its not wiping out a culture and civilization... If the people abandon their culture and take yours in order to survive?
Wow. 
So what you're saying is that if every Jew in the world converted to Islam or died, Jews would still exist?
Do you understand how dumb you sound?  And how evil?

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So by this logic they should get no special rights or privillages right?

In an ideal world, yes.
However, wounds of the past still exist.  Racism still exists.  And the cycle of poverty which started a century and a half ago, still lingers on.

It would be like if we removed all the protected class with regards to Jews. Suddenly making Nazi salutes in front of synagogs isn't bad.  Right?  I mean, no special treatments, yeah?  Because if you do a Nazi salute in front of a christian church... It'll be weird but not a hate statement.

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For the last time Israel is by no means or stretch of imagination a reparation for Jewish people. According to your logic, every Jew should just leave their country of origin and immigrate to Israel? You are an anti-semite my friend. IF today such deal was offered to Blacks you libtards would cry racism. Imagine if we propose to gather all Blacks in one of the 50 states and give them autonomy, what would you say to that? Not very good idea right, so why do you apply this idea to the Jews you pig? 
If I offer you $1 million as an appology for hitting you with a car, and you refuse, I still offered it. 
And no, Jews, like all people, can live where they want. 

As for what I'd think of a black state nation.... Same thing I think of Israel: that's dumb.  Israel, in my opinion, should never have been created.  Not like it was.  It created more problems then it solved.

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But as much as I hate Capitalism I despise Socialism just as much if not more. This is a topic for a very long conversation so I will stop there.
In one or two words, tell me which economic system you like.  I'm curious now.

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Kabool you say that Black people are still oppressed. Let me tell you how oppressed they are in my city. We have black female lesbian mayor who basically legalized murder here cause people are getting shot every day and shooters are never caught.

You do know that's not how "legalize" works, right?  If you aren't caught, its still illegal.

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Black person is allowed to shoplift if the merchandise stolen is under a thousand dollars.
This is an actual law now?  Please site it.

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They are allowed to ride free on CTA trains by simply hopping the guard rail, allowed to play loud music through bluetooth speaker in public places, allowed to smoke weed or cigarettes in places where there is no smoking, those are just few examples of how oppressed they are. LOL Get the fuck out of here with your sorry ass Kabool. You don't live in reality.
Considering these are all things police would handle and they can't catch daily shooters... I suspect the issue is more a poor or overworked police force than not.
Also, Chicago is not all of America.  FYI.  I realize its big but trust me, America is bigger. ;)


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You elected a senile old man who used the N word and friends with David Duke and braiwashed the Blacks in believing your Democratic lie. Do you for one second actually believe that this old Irish fart is woke or not racist? Hahahaha
I'm confused.  Are you talking about Biden or Trump.  Trump was friends with Dukes and has said the N word.  I suspect bided did as well since he lived during the 60s.


Dave you can come to Chicago and talk to any cop, even non white cops and they will tell you what they think of Lori Lightfoot and the nightmare she has created here. Cops are not overworked, they are being restricted from enforcing the law, their hands are tied, this is why Chicago is a mess.
So from "practically legal" to "Restrictions on cops".  Please cite your sources.  I'd like to know what these new regulations are that prevent an officer from chasing after a shooter.

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And yes Kim Fox, Cook County States Attorney stated that any theft under a thousand dollars will not be prosecuted. Look this up man.
I did.  She sid the opposite.  She said they will persecute.  Are you, perhaps, confused about her shift to moving the felony theft charges threshold from $300 to $1,000?  So anything under $1,000 is a misdomener but still being persecuted?

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Now what economic system do I like? Well honestly I don't know. I don't like Capitalism because too many people are alienated and exploited and I don't like Socialism because it creates big government that eventually also exploits you.
So that leaves barter system.  Which is just moneyless capitalism.

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Firing someone necause of budgets or downsizing is not fun and is depressing. 

Automating the choosing process is definitely for psychological and speed reasons.


That being said...
Their flex system is shit to begin with.  Mandatory break times when the system decides.  Scheduled pee breaks. 

"It is now 11:25.  Please use the toilet.  You have 10 minutes"
"I'm driving along a highway"
"Your next bathroom stop will be at 3.25 pm."

The system is designed to micromanage a driver's schedule while igoring things like outside conditions, delivery obsticles, etc...
For example:  you have the same time to deliver a package in on a sunny day in the summer as you do on a winter day with an icy driveway.
"Oh, fence in the way with a rusty and hard to open gate?  Sucks for you."

All so they can sell more and more 2 hour delivery times.  Impatience is the issue.


Amazon is fucking shit. Bunch of cheap ass knock offs, fuck Amazon. They killed retail, music stores and everything that was ever fun. And the reason we let Amazon be so powerful is because the leftists let this happen. Why do you guys think Corporations hated Trump? Democrats and Corporations go hand in hand. Or may be someone wants to tell me that Amazon CEO is a republican? lol

Trump literally owns a large company. Lol.  No, not a corporation, but thats a detail I'm sure you never thought about for anything else.

Also, republicans are traditionally big business lovers.  Trickle down economics is a republican concept.  Low corporate taxes are too.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Big Tech Censorship
« on: July 24, 2021, 01:57:53 AM »
Of course big techs censor you. If you disagree with left agenda on Facebook or Twitter you instantly banned. But here is the irony. Big Techs are capitalists and have lots of money yet they support Socialist and left wing movements. They are also not open to any opposing views. You either become a socialist or else. If I was president the first order of business would be to arrest all Big Tech CEO's. shut down social media and eventually entire internet. So they can take their apps and their little apple pay and stick it straight up their candy asses. LOL

How can you get so many things wrong in such a compact little rant? ;D

Well no, if you were President you could pout and slam your fists on the desk all day but no, you couldn't just arrest Big Tech, or shut down the entire internet. We have laws you know. Even the President has to follow them.

You really have no idea how an actual democracy works, do you. Or the internet. I should make a list of things you don't understand.

You are again describing a dictator, but you have already shown you love them and admitted you would rather the country be run by one so this is no surprise.

I also love how you threw Apple Pay into there for, no apparent reason. Just a nice little touch to your crazy babbling.

That fantasy of yours is as terrifying as it is insane.
 

You may have a big list of things I don't understand, I have a very short yet very important list of things you don't understand. You don't understand how to be an American and the rest don't really matter. LOL

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

I think I understand what it means to be an American far better than you do. You're just another in a long line of racist xenophobic terrified children selfishly trying to keep everyone else out now that you got yours. Go hide under your bed and don't come out.

If you don't want the democracy and freedoms you have been given, you don't deserve them. Luckily this is America so you get them anyway.

Such lazy entitlement, you don't need to know stuff because you are white and American and thus deserve to have it all. Pathetic and sad.


When quoting anything from American past JJA you need to understand the concept and the content. Yes it does say give me your poor and tired, but it implies only European immigrants,  you must look at the implication my friend. Who ever told you that I got mine? Liberals assume that every white person is rich, well that is because most white Liberals are rich, Limo liberals in gated communities who never have to to deal with urban problems, overeducated college snobs, drinking their coffee in a coffee shop with gender neutral bathrooms. You can keep your rhetoric man, no one listens to you and in 2024 you will find out what Americans really want. We are not going to allow another coup and another stolen election. What democracy and freedom I have been given? You guys made me put on a face diaper and lock down my country for over a year and now you want to inject me with magnetic vaccine that will shut down my immune system. Thanks for all your freedom and democracy LOL

Lord Dave so I suppose we need to take down Columbus statues and replace them with statues of Aztecs who sacrifysed their own people to false gods? No thanks.

How do you know they were false?  Have you proven the Aztec gods did not or do not exist?  Also, you do know that such sacrafices were likely voluntary.  Sadly, we don't have alot of info because the spanish who wiped them out only wrote what they saw (and were very biased) without having any context.
Much like if a man from the 15th century saw you getting angry at the computer, he'd assume you were communing with satan and write as such.

Also, we should put up statues of Bartolomé de las Casas instead of Columbus.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Big Tech Censorship
« on: July 23, 2021, 11:39:43 AM »
Of course big techs censor you. If you disagree with left agenda on Facebook or Twitter you instantly banned. But here is the irony. Big Techs are capitalists and have lots of money yet they support Socialist and left wing movements. They are also not open to any opposing views. You either become a socialist or else. If I was president the first order of business would be to arrest all Big Tech CEO's. shut down social media and eventually entire internet. So they can take their apps and their little apple pay and stick it straight up their candy asses. LOL

How can you get so many things wrong in such a compact little rant? ;D

Well no, if you were President you could pout and slam your fists on the desk all day but no, you couldn't just arrest Big Tech, or shut down the entire internet. We have laws you know. Even the President has to follow them.

You really have no idea how an actual democracy works, do you. Or the internet. I should make a list of things you don't understand.

You are again describing a dictator, but you have already shown you love them and admitted you would rather the country be run by one so this is no surprise.

I also love how you threw Apple Pay into there for, no apparent reason. Just a nice little touch to your crazy babbling.

That fantasy of yours is as terrifying as it is insane.
 

You may have a big list of things I don't understand, I have a very short yet very important list of things you don't understand. You don't understand how to be an American and the rest don't really matter. LOL

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

I think I understand what it means to be an American far better than you do. You're just another in a long line of racist xenophobic terrified children selfishly trying to keep everyone else out now that you got yours. Go hide under your bed and don't come out.

If you don't want the democracy and freedoms you have been given, you don't deserve them. Luckily this is America so you get them anyway.

Such lazy entitlement, you don't need to know stuff because you are white and American and thus deserve to have it all. Pathetic and sad.

No, no, New Earth is right.
You don't understand.  You know what Real Americans did with thise huddle masses yearning to breath free?  They used them as cheap, disposable labor.
Know what Real Americans did?  They took land without thought of the "savages" who lived there.
Real Americans take what they want, use the weak and helpless, then claim moral superiority over all others.
Real Americans use propoganda in things like the pledge to the flag (placing under god there to seem more moral), forcing children to recite it as a ritual and calling it "disrespectful" if you don't pledge yourself to a flag.
Real Americans celebrate Columbus: a man who was so wrong, he nearly lost all his ships, found new land that two other groups had found before him, took all the credit for the 'discovery', then led the conquest of said land, its peoples, and its resources.  But children are given a fairy tail about how he wanted to prove the earth was round and find a shortcut to India.

That is what it means to be a Real American.  What you think?  Thats far from reality.

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For the last time Israel is by no means or stretch of imagination a reparation for Jewish people. According to your logic, every Jew should just leave their country of origin and immigrate to Israel? You are an anti-semite my friend. IF today such deal was offered to Blacks you libtards would cry racism. Imagine if we propose to gather all Blacks in one of the 50 states and give them autonomy, what would you say to that? Not very good idea right, so why do you apply this idea to the Jews you pig? 
If I offer you $1 million as an appology for hitting you with a car, and you refuse, I still offered it. 
And no, Jews, like all people, can live where they want. 

As for what I'd think of a black state nation.... Same thing I think of Israel: that's dumb.  Israel, in my opinion, should never have been created.  Not like it was.  It created more problems then it solved.

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But as much as I hate Capitalism I despise Socialism just as much if not more. This is a topic for a very long conversation so I will stop there.
In one or two words, tell me which economic system you like.  I'm curious now.

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Kabool you say that Black people are still oppressed. Let me tell you how oppressed they are in my city. We have black female lesbian mayor who basically legalized murder here cause people are getting shot every day and shooters are never caught.

You do know that's not how "legalize" works, right?  If you aren't caught, its still illegal.

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Black person is allowed to shoplift if the merchandise stolen is under a thousand dollars.
This is an actual law now?  Please site it.

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They are allowed to ride free on CTA trains by simply hopping the guard rail, allowed to play loud music through bluetooth speaker in public places, allowed to smoke weed or cigarettes in places where there is no smoking, those are just few examples of how oppressed they are. LOL Get the fuck out of here with your sorry ass Kabool. You don't live in reality.
Considering these are all things police would handle and they can't catch daily shooters... I suspect the issue is more a poor or overworked police force than not.
Also, Chicago is not all of America.  FYI.  I realize its big but trust me, America is bigger. ;)


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You elected a senile old man who used the N word and friends with David Duke and braiwashed the Blacks in believing your Democratic lie. Do you for one second actually believe that this old Irish fart is woke or not racist? Hahahaha
I'm confused.  Are you talking about Biden or Trump.  Trump was friends with Dukes and has said the N word.  I suspect bided did as well since he lived during the 60s.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: July 22, 2021, 08:16:40 AM »
I just found out Wendell Potter has a substack! Anyway, this is really interesting about medical debt in the US. I'm putting it in the Biden thread because he wants the Biden administration to focus on this. https://wendellpotter.substack.com/p/nyt-medical-debt

Fixing it, sadly, is just not possible.
No matter what Biden wants to do, half of congress won't let him.  The insurance companies won't let him.  Half of America would riot if he tries.

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You guys actually think Israel is a reparation? Hahaha, I almost fell of my chair when I read this, the level of ignorance and lack of education is reaching amazing heights here. Israel was actually created with the help of Joseph Stalin, he convinced Churchill and Truman to give the Palestinian land to the "Jews." But Stalin had no intention to help the Jews, he cared less about the holocaust, he simply wanted a new Communist country in the middle east so he can control the region and extend the Soviet control. Later Israel double crossed Stalin and made alliance with U.S., thus causing USSR and Israel to break diplomacy. Jesus guys you need to brush up on your shit.

Also I'm not an Israeli and I have never been to Israel, so if Israelis are taking lands from Palestinians what do I have to do with this? Sounds like you guys are the ones that are racist because you assume that every Jew is an Israeli.

Motivations of world powers are irrelevant.  The official line is to give the Jews a home.  Reparations.   If any of the world leaders believed it or not is irrelevant to the actual act.
And until Israel is forcefully disolved because they didn't become communist, it doesn't matter what Stalin wanted.

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Why do you feel sorry for me man? I feel sorry for you because you have zero self worth. You look in the mirror and feel guilty, you embrace trash from all over the world because your ancestors had slaves? really that is it?

I'm white too, I'm actually a Jew and my people were slaves too and then Hitler killed 6 million more of us, may be I should play victim and get reparation too? Oh wait no, let's see what that filthy anti semite Kamala stated "Jews don't need any help because somehow they always find ways to be successful." Wow really? This is what your fucking democrats are saying man, the biggest racist pieces of human crap.

You support illegals? Fuck you man. Do you know the price my family paid to come here? No one gave any hand outs and no one gave any options? It was either to work hard or starve. Get the fuck out of here with your shit.

Jews were literally given en entire country, carved out of other countries without their conscent.
Also, the slaves bit is debated.

I can't seem to find that quote from Kamala anywhere.  Can you link a vid?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: July 20, 2021, 07:48:57 AM »

Only with your Vet's conscent.
My uncle fought in a war, I'll ask him.

Against cats?
Also known as The Pussy Rebellion.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: July 20, 2021, 04:04:03 AM »

Like making puppy killing a federal crime as well as making it legal to kill kittens.  Then claim you hate puppies when its voted down.
but, we can still kill kittens, right?

Only with your Vet's conscent.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: July 20, 2021, 02:51:57 AM »
I'm seeing a pattern.  The Biden administration brainstorms a solution to a problem.  The most extreme nutjobs on the right take it to a ridiculous conclusion.  Biden gives up on the idea.

Vaccine passports.  I don't know if this was something Biden seriously considered.  I think someone floated in a press conference or something.  Then Ron Desantis starts passing legislation banning vaccine passports.

Door to door vaccinations.  Not sure if this was a serious idea or even practical.  But this lead to this very measured response.  Where they compared health care workers to nazis.  https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-refers-nazi-era-brown-shirts-opposing-n1273204

It's possible that the government is overstepping their bounds with Facebook.  But if it's people like the Jewish space laser lady claiming it then I'm a little skeptical.

The dems actively said they don't support and won't attempt to do anything involving vaccine passports. So what did Ted Cruz do? Go on national TV and boast how bad vaccine passports are and he would table something  to prevent the government from enabling it. Virtue signalling bastard.

Even when both sides are in agreement, the opposition pretends that they aren't to appeal to their moronic bases pretending they are 'fixing' a problem (that never existed)

Well yes.  How else can you keep up the narrative?
Then they submit a bill with that plus a bunch of other crap Dems won't vote for, have it blocked, then cry foul about it.
Like making puppy killing a federal crime as well as making it legal to kill kittens.  Then claim you hate puppies when its voted down. 

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: July 19, 2021, 04:57:48 AM »
I just read this, thought you would like it  https://taibbi.substack.com/p/meet-the-censored-matt-orfalea
Thanks, I'm reading it and it's interesting for sure. And it definitely can be viewed in the context of this conversation as as warning - do we want the government working directly with YouTube, Facebook, or any of these other social media companies to help shape was is considered "acceptable discourse" in new ways? My vote is a strong no. Governments change, and in the US they change fast and they can swing hard in both directions. They can stay right the fuck out of getting involved in what people can and can't discuss, and that's not something I think we should watch erode away and shrug about.

No, but as we've seen, a few people with a big bot net can basically turn fiction into fact using social media.
We have thousands of people who think vaccines are bad and cause ahltimerz.  Or that 5G created the Corona Virus.  Or that a child sex ring was under a pizzaria in DC.
And its believed so much so that people do crazy things about it.  And social media is how its spread.  And deapite what we thought in the 80s and 90s, access to knowledge does not remove ignorance. 

What we nees to ask is: How do we get social media to decrease the spread of fake information?  Because they sure as hell don't want to do it themselves.  Why would they?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: July 18, 2021, 01:17:58 AM »
Isn't that button open to anyone?  Why is the WH account suddenly more imporant than joe smith?  Ultimately Facebook makes.the decision.  The WH is simply doing what everyone else should: flag it.
Did you read the article that was linked? Or listen to what Psaki said? She said they have senior staff working directly with social media platforms. The White House is the Executive Branch of the government, not an individual citizen. If they are putting pressure on what speech is allowed and what speech is not allowed, to me that seems more than a little problematic. Our resident US-style liberals on the forum should take issue with authoritarian behavior even when that behavior happens to align with their values, because when the behavior doesn't align with their values they shouldn't want to be guilty of helping establish the precedent that made it OK.

Let doctors speak out on medical issues. Let subject matter experts speak out whenever their expertise is needed in a particular matter. The United States government should not need to be actively working with private industry to repress certain kinds of speech that would otherwise be constitutionally protected. Think of the doors this opens for that kind of power to be wielded for other means. I don't understand, as a citizen of the United States, how any other citizen could just sit back and be OK with letting the federal government decide what things are OK to read/hear/see. It's one of the big things we decided to state right at the very beginning would be bad to encourage people to accept.

The Executive Branch of the government, which as a reminder is currently headed by Joe Biden BUT WON'T ALWAYS BE, is running an outreach program to pressure social media to wash away certain topics that they deem not worthy of public discourse. Again, forget about the subject matter they are trying to repress - that's not the issue, it's a red herring.

If everyone can flag the content, let the citizens do so in their capacity as citizens. The leader of the free world doesn't need to be policing what speech is acceptable and what speech isn't. In fact, it's specifically supposed to be something they are not engaging in policing except for within a very narrow type of unprotected speech. The President's Press Secretary should not be out giving press conferences stating the office of the President is being used to repress speech that doesn't violate free speech laws.

I admit, I did not.
Or I don't remember.  I was going off what others were saying here.

If the WH is pointing to facebook posts and saying "This is fake.  Flag it or else" then thats an issue.
If they're going "here's a fake post, here's our government data so you don't need to go reasearching" less bad
It depends on what the WH is doing.

Also, they should regulate some and have media make reasonable attempts to flag false or misleading information.  Not so much remove but we all know that lies on the internet are a big problem.  Why?  Because people are dumb.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: July 16, 2021, 08:39:14 AM »
Take the Trump shit to the Trump thread! This is about Biden, and right now it's about using the office of POTUS to strongarm social media into censoring certain content while simultaneously engineering a propaganda campaign to reprogram people that received the content they want censored.

I prefer to call it the White House asking Facebook to help fight the spread of dangerous COVID misinformation and harmful lies for the good of the country.

I don't see a problem. It's not an order. Federal troops aren't pointing a gun to anyone head. They are asking.

Is Biden not allowed to point out misinformation to a company that has a button made specifically for people to point out misinformation?
Is Biden qualified to offer medical advice? The White House is flagging content they want Facebook to remove and promoting the creation and distribution of approved content to replace the messaging they want removed. Take COVID out of this, because the object doesn't matter - it's the tactic that matters. Just because you agree with the ends, that doesn't mean that the means are justified. The government shouldn't be manipulating social media content.

 Isn't that button open to anyone?  Why is the WH account suddenly more imporant than joe smith?  Ultimately Facebook makes.the decision.  The WH is simply doing what everyone else should: flag it.


I'm annoyed that the White House has taken this battle on it's own. Where is our PM in the fight? Indeed, where are all the governments around the world who have its populous use these social media platforms? Mis/disinformation is frankly a cancer on society and is frankly the biggest threat to public health, safety and happiness ever.

Social media companies have a social responsibility whether they like it or not. To allow deliberate mis/disinformation to propagate which is destroying the social cohesion and fabric of society and allowing antivaxxer bullshit to scare people away from getting vaccinated etc absolutely should (if the social media companies dont) be mandated to step up and be responsible and remove it. If they wont do it of their own accord well who writes and enacts laws?

Freedom of speech is never 'free' and never was. It's frankly a stupid ideal that allows stupid people to propagate stupid shit. No problem with opinions but there is no value to propagating lies and BS to dupe millions of people to believing it

But whose Truth?  If facebook blocks antivaxx, well... They "know" their information is factual.  Its truth.  The message that vaccines are safe is misinformation to them.

One man's lie is another man's truth.

Well, when they start saying vaccines plant tracking or 5G chips or cause autism or contain toxic substances that they definitely do not have, well it should be deleted

Shit like that is no mans truth
We are literally on a forum where some memebers actively argue that the Earth is flat.  You'd think that was "no man's truth" but here we are.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: July 16, 2021, 08:23:46 AM »
Take the Trump shit to the Trump thread! This is about Biden, and right now it's about using the office of POTUS to strongarm social media into censoring certain content while simultaneously engineering a propaganda campaign to reprogram people that received the content they want censored.

I prefer to call it the White House asking Facebook to help fight the spread of dangerous COVID misinformation and harmful lies for the good of the country.

I don't see a problem. It's not an order. Federal troops aren't pointing a gun to anyone head. They are asking.

Is Biden not allowed to point out misinformation to a company that has a button made specifically for people to point out misinformation?
Is Biden qualified to offer medical advice? The White House is flagging content they want Facebook to remove and promoting the creation and distribution of approved content to replace the messaging they want removed. Take COVID out of this, because the object doesn't matter - it's the tactic that matters. Just because you agree with the ends, that doesn't mean that the means are justified. The government shouldn't be manipulating social media content.

 Isn't that button open to anyone?  Why is the WH account suddenly more imporant than joe smith?  Ultimately Facebook makes.the decision.  The WH is simply doing what everyone else should: flag it.


I'm annoyed that the White House has taken this battle on it's own. Where is our PM in the fight? Indeed, where are all the governments around the world who have its populous use these social media platforms? Mis/disinformation is frankly a cancer on society and is frankly the biggest threat to public health, safety and happiness ever.

Social media companies have a social responsibility whether they like it or not. To allow deliberate mis/disinformation to propagate which is destroying the social cohesion and fabric of society and allowing antivaxxer bullshit to scare people away from getting vaccinated etc absolutely should (if the social media companies dont) be mandated to step up and be responsible and remove it. If they wont do it of their own accord well who writes and enacts laws?

Freedom of speech is never 'free' and never was. It's frankly a stupid ideal that allows stupid people to propagate stupid shit. No problem with opinions but there is no value to propagating lies and BS to dupe millions of people to believing it

But whose Truth?  If facebook blocks antivaxx, well... They "know" their information is factual.  Its truth.  The message that vaccines are safe is misinformation to them.

One man's lie is another man's truth.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: July 16, 2021, 08:18:06 AM »
Slowly the truth emerges....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/15/kremlin-papers-appear-to-show-putins-plot-to-put-trump-in-white-house

We all knew it already, but it's nice to have confirmation.

Feels... Weird.  Like the Kremlin leaked it just to keep fanning the flames.
I would hope Biden, if asked, just says "its irrelevant now" and moves on.  We don't need to bring back the Russian story again.

I've got to say, this sounds very overblown.  Russia has tried to influence every election we've ever had.  This one is no different.

It was.
Trump was unlike any candidate before him.  He was unstable, narcissistic, and actively trying to divide America.  Plus friendly ish towards Russia.
No other republican candidate would have done what Trump did, said what Trump said, or acted like him.  So in 2016, for the first time, Russia could get a candidate in that would help destabalize America directly.  Bush didn't.  Obama didn't.  Clinton didn't.  Trump did and is still doing it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: July 16, 2021, 06:22:10 AM »
I do not support Biden and I especially do not support this "Art" selling money laundering that him and his son came up with. I got to give Bidens credit thou, brilliant plan. Selling political favors under the pretense of art.  One thing is for sure if Trump won't return and Biden stays America as we know it will no longer exist. That is very easy to see.

Well thank God that Trump's family never used the office of the president for personal gain!  :-\
Or was able to buy any kind of membership to get contact with the President. Like some kind of Presidential Golf Club.

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