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Flat Earth Debate / Re: James's theory on dinosaurs
« on: March 15, 2010, 09:13:22 PM »
One, that is all conjecture. He merely has said that dinosaurs in boats was feasible (it isn't). He did not disprove continental drift nor prove dinosaurs in a boat more likely than the current theory.

Besides, how does FE deal with the earthquake and the resulting tsunami?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: how about this?
« on: March 15, 2010, 09:11:04 PM »
How do coriolons "know" that something is in motion? The entire earth is in motion (in both theories).

Nice contradiction. While it is fun to make up theories, try harder to not make ones you know can't be possible.

How does gravity "know" things have mass? Interacting differently in different circumstances does not constitute knowledge or sentience.

But what constitutes kinetic motion? Mass and kinetic motion are very different. Don't try to get smart here and throw around metaphors and similes that don't work.


What is the difference between baseball going .999999C and a pendulum going .9999998C to coriolons?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: how about this?
« on: March 15, 2010, 04:13:48 PM »
How do coriolons "know" that something is in motion? The entire earth is in motion (in both theories).

Nice contradiction. While it is fun to make up theories, try harder to not make ones you know can't be possible.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Light bends up, right?
« on: March 13, 2010, 03:38:05 PM »
Parsifal, I was talking about electrons. Since the EAT works electromagnetically, it should affect all particles. It would slowly but surely accelerate electrons, protons, etc. enough that the atom would destabilize. The earth has been around 4 billion years. That is a lot of time for atoms to destabilize. Yet they haven't.

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Worldwide overpopulation will have to be addressed sooner or later. Some time in the not so far future it will become a matter of survival and governments will have to decide what to do. Either prevent people from having too many children, with force if necessary, or contain the problem to the main contributing nations (those being the ones with the highest birthrate), again by force if necessary.

Both scenarios are far from pretty and I would much prefer a different solution, but I think there is none.



There are many solutions. Terraforming, satellite colonies, lunar colonization.

Okay, you got me there. I should have worded it differently. "..., but I think there are none we can achieve before the problem becomes critical."

These technologies will be here in 50 years. How long do you think we have until the problem becomes critical?

I somehow doubt it. It currently costs an objects weight in gold to get them into orbit. At that cost we could afford to clothe and feed them for their lives.

In fact we could currently feed everyone in the world, but the transportation costs and stunt to local agricultural development would lead to worse problems down the line. The population has to make a dramatic drop and perhaps AIDS will do that as it makes its slow burn through the human population.

Wow, you guys have

1. No faith in science advancing
2. No faith in humanity
3. A tendency to want everyone else to suffer

1. Expecting science to advance at a cost cutting rate as high as you expect is stupid. Look at airline flight costs, they still really haven't gone down enough for those "One day you'll fly to Paris for breakfast" predictions to come true. And unless a new cheap fuel source comes along to replace fossil fuels the cost to get to orbit will remain pretty similar.

2. Humanity has never done anything to inspire much faith in it. I'd list the things it's done wrong but I don't feel like typing out the history of mankind

3. I don't want anyone to suffer, hence my desire for a population decimation. Dying in war isn't half as bad as watching your village die from lack of food water and medical resources.

Would you be willing to die in that case? You can't have the rest of the world decimate itself for you.

Also, science does not exactly relate to economics the way you said so. Technology is accelerating in its development. Soon we will have things we never dreamed of.

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Worldwide overpopulation will have to be addressed sooner or later. Some time in the not so far future it will become a matter of survival and governments will have to decide what to do. Either prevent people from having too many children, with force if necessary, or contain the problem to the main contributing nations (those being the ones with the highest birthrate), again by force if necessary.

Both scenarios are far from pretty and I would much prefer a different solution, but I think there is none.



There are many solutions. Terraforming, satellite colonies, lunar colonization.

Okay, you got me there. I should have worded it differently. "..., but I think there are none we can achieve before the problem becomes critical."

These technologies will be here in 50 years. How long do you think we have until the problem becomes critical?

I somehow doubt it. It currently costs an objects weight in gold to get them into orbit. At that cost we could afford to clothe and feed them for their lives.

In fact we could currently feed everyone in the world, but the transportation costs and stunt to local agricultural development would lead to worse problems down the line. The population has to make a dramatic drop and perhaps AIDS will do that as it makes its slow burn through the human population.

Wow, you guys have

1. No faith in science advancing
2. No faith in humanity
3. A tendency to want everyone else to suffer

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: how about this?
« on: March 12, 2010, 06:02:44 PM »
You haven't proposed a mechanism,

Tell me the mechanism for gravity, and I will gladly concede the point.

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nor provided a map of FE,

Yes, I know the popular media image of the FEer is the rich jetsetting playboy, but unfortunately that's a rather inaccurate representation.  Sadly, I can't afford the kind of work required to map the entire Earth.  And I must confess, I'm also not a trained cartographer, so you'd probably call my map into question anyway, and rightly so. :(

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nor provided an accurate diagram of the suns orbit.

I told you, I don't do diagrams.  If you want to debate you're going to have to do it the old-fashioned way.

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Don't give me the all theories are half-finished, because at this point, this is just a hypothesis. Until we can test it, it is not a theory.

Look up all definitions of the word theory before you make that baseless accusation.

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You left out the parts that lets us debate.

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So tell me, what can we debate?

We are debating your theory, not the cause of gravity.


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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: how about this?
« on: March 12, 2010, 05:45:48 PM »
It's funny, the ground doesn't instantly freeze at night, either.  Obviously the effects of the sun last into nighttime; my theory conforms to the norm rather than bucking it.

No, the theory that the earth is round is the norm.  You are foolishly bucking a wealth of knowledge.

Actually I believe I'm reinterpreting it.  It's high time somebody did.  Right or wrong it at least makes for entertaining discussions.

Except there is nothing to discuss. You told us about a half-finished, unprovable theory and haven't even described key parts of the world you believe it exists in (geography of your FE, solar orbit, etc).

Well, I've found the discussion entertaining, anyway.

Anyway, all theories are half-finished, no theories are provable, and my theory does indeed describe key parts of the world I believe it exists in.  It just doesn't describe all of them, but I really don't see why that's such a problem.

You haven't proposed a mechanism, nor provided a map of FE, nor provided an accurate diagram of the suns orbit.

Don't give me the all theories are half-finished, because at this point, this is just a hypothesis. Until we can test it, it is not a theory.

You left out the parts that lets us debate.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: how about this?
« on: March 12, 2010, 05:37:50 PM »
It's funny, the ground doesn't instantly freeze at night, either.  Obviously the effects of the sun last into nighttime; my theory conforms to the norm rather than bucking it.

No, the theory that the earth is round is the norm.  You are foolishly bucking a wealth of knowledge.

Actually I believe I'm reinterpreting it.  It's high time somebody did.  Right or wrong it at least makes for entertaining discussions.

Except there is nothing to discuss. You told us about a half-finished, unprovable theory and haven't even described key parts of the world you believe it exists in (geography of your FE, solar orbit, etc).


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Worldwide overpopulation will have to be addressed sooner or later. Some time in the not so far future it will become a matter of survival and governments will have to decide what to do. Either prevent people from having too many children, with force if necessary, or contain the problem to the main contributing nations (those being the ones with the highest birthrate), again by force if necessary.

Both scenarios are far from pretty and I would much prefer a different solution, but I think there is none.



There are many solutions. Terraforming, satellite colonies, lunar colonization.

Okay, you got me there. I should have worded it differently. "..., but I think there are none we can achieve before the problem becomes critical."

These technologies will be here in 50 years. How long do you think we have until the problem becomes critical?

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Worldwide overpopulation will have to be addressed sooner or later. Some time in the not so far future it will become a matter of survival and governments will have to decide what to do. Either prevent people from having too many children, with force if necessary, or contain the problem to the main contributing nations (those being the ones with the highest birthrate), again by force if necessary.

Both scenarios are far from pretty and I would much prefer a different solution, but I think there is none.



There are many solutions. Terraforming, satellite colonies, lunar colonization.

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Flat Earth General / Re: NAsA TV
« on: March 12, 2010, 03:54:00 PM »
I'm glad we are in agreement that NASAs findings say little of the shape of the Earth due to their ignorance and negligence.

How so? Many of the comforts you take for granted are due to NASA Research.


Tang? Velcro? Liquid and Solid fueled Rocket boosters?




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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: how about this?
« on: March 12, 2010, 03:48:27 PM »
We can't discuss your theory yet as it is nowhere near developed nor have you provided the exact FE you believe in.

I know FE has no working map, but the one that you feel represents the earth the best would make it more debatable.

We have replicated fusion (Sun isn't different). We also have replicated super high energy fusion (particle accelerator) which is basically the "awesome" reactions you were talking about.


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Flat Earth General / Re: NAsA TV
« on: March 12, 2010, 03:27:22 PM »
Just because things look round far away does not mean they are round.

Just because things look flat far away does not mean they are flat.
Obviously... Your point?

My point was the exact same as your point.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: how about this?
« on: March 12, 2010, 03:22:16 PM »
Give me a diagram of your sun and its "orbit" about the FE. The FE has many different theories.

Sorry, I don't do diagrams.  But it's pretty easy to envision.  The sun is always very close to the equator; when it's summer in the northern hemisphere, the orbit narrows slightly; when it's summer in the southern hemisphere, it widens slightly.  It's directly above the equator on the equinoxes.

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How does it work? If it interacts with matter, it should be detectable. A graviton is only one theory for Gravity.

One extremely well-supported theory, and one most physicists now take for granted.

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Hell, even FET relies on gravity.

I won't comment until you explain the relevance.

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Also, subtle wouldn't work on hurricanes. They have a lot of mass. Why isn't this force felt on the ground? Or on the water?

If the effect wasn't subtle, the OP would be entirely correct.  You're silly.


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Give me a mechanism.

The mechanism is unknown.

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Otherwise, this isn't a fully fledged theory.

So you don't consider the theory of gravity to be fully fledged?  Interesting.

No, gravity has a bunch of nice equations and laws that work. This just says, undetectable force works perfectly and does this.

So this has no affect on anything that isn't affected by the coriolis effect?

And I meant a map. Every FE proponent has a different map. I can't tell if your solar orbit will work or not.


Come on, I can't even debate anything with what you have given me. At least gravity has everything except an exact cause. It could just be space-time warp.

You have yet to describe how it can spin hurricanes but does not disturb the water, how particles from the sun can spin the hurricane the way it happens in real life, and how the sun emits these.


What does the sun do that makes it so special? It is just a fusing star, and we know that. We have done fusion experiments. Why haven't we noticed the mass being given off as these particles?

But yea, I need a map. I don't think your solar orbit works with artic and antartic days and nights or time zones.


I need more info.

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Flat Earth General / Re: NAsA TV
« on: March 12, 2010, 03:17:25 PM »
Just because things look round far away does not mean they are round.

Just because things look flat far away does not mean they are flat.

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But this is all for you right? Its not like science will advance, planets will be colonized (FE will be proven or disproven soon enough with public space flights).

Why must people die? Because you deem the world to be overpopulated?

And of course, you won't die or fight in the war.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« on: March 12, 2010, 03:11:06 PM »
Lets say a speed of .000001 m/s (exceedingly high as the atom will cease to exist at far lower accelerations). http://www.usatoday.com/weather/resources/basics/wonderquest/photonmass.htm says that photon is 0.00000000000000000000039 times the mass of an electron. This seems like acceleration would do nothing, but, the EAT accelerates photons A LOT (enough that even going at lightspeed for a distance of 10-100 km, it has a supposedly significant speed going up). Lets say it a photon 10,000 m/s^2 (remember light will cover 10-100km in very low fractions of a second).

The earth has been around for 4 billion years. Combine that with my very very very high estimate of atom instability, and the extreme accelerations of light particles that the EAT must generate, and the atom cannot exist.


Try the math out for yourself. If you have problems with my values, do tell. I calculated that with these values, an electron would have an speed of 493309.44 m/s in 4 billion years.

EAT = Busted

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: how about this?
« on: March 12, 2010, 03:10:19 PM »
Impossible to see? Unobservable?

Yes.  It's far from unprecedented for such particles to be theorized to exist.

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Enough force to change the direction of hurricanes?

It's actually an extremely subtle effect; that's why it's only really noticeable in large weather systems.

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Why is the equator the magical dividing line?

Because the sun lies more or less above the equator.

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It is not supported at all with physics.

How can you even argue that when you've just now seen the theory presented?  Prove to me that it's not supported by physics.

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Example, neutrino's which are very undetectable do nothing to matter. Does something = is detectable.

How about gravitons?  Are they observable?  Do they do anything to matter?


Give me a diagram of your sun and its "orbit" about the FE. The FE has many different theories.

How does it work? If it interacts with matter, it should be detectable. A graviton is only one theory for Gravity. Hell, even FET relies on gravity.

Also, subtle wouldn't work on hurricanes. They have a lot of mass. Why isn't this force felt on the ground? Or on the water?


Give me a mechanism. Otherwise, this isn't a fully fledged theory. Just something that can never be disproved.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Light bends up, right?
« on: March 12, 2010, 03:05:44 PM »
Has velocity in that direction? Why don't you stop arguing semantics? When light bends, it has speed in the direction it is going. That doesn't mean it goes over C.


Try to find a problem with my values. I was very conservative for the atomic stability one.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: how about this?
« on: March 12, 2010, 02:58:39 PM »
My idiot? My theory?

What do I have to do with him? Just because some people are idiots, doesn't mean our theory is debunked.

So no one has any theories on the hurricanes?

And to Roundy:

Impossible to see? Unobservable? Enough force to change the direction of hurricanes? Why is the equator the magical dividing line?

It is not supported at all with physics.

Example, neutrino's which are very undetectable do nothing to matter. Does something = is detectable.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: how about this?
« on: March 12, 2010, 02:51:13 PM »
So how does FE explain the Coriolis effect on hurricanes?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Light bends up, right?
« on: March 12, 2010, 02:47:22 PM »
Lets say a speed of .000001 m/s (exceedingly high as the atom will cease to exist at far lower accelerations). http://www.usatoday.com/weather/resources/basics/wonderquest/photonmass.htm says that photon is 0.00000000000000000000039 times the mass of an electron. This seems like acceleration would do nothing, but, the EAT accelerates photons A LOT (enough that even going at lightspeed for a distance of 10-100 km, it has a supposedly significant speed going up). Lets say it a photon 10,000 m/s^2 (remember light will cover 10-100km in very low fractions of a second).

The earth has been around for 4 billion years. Combine that with my very very very high estimate of atom instability, and the extreme accelerations of light particles that the EAT must generate, and the atom cannot exist.


Try the math out for yourself. If you have problems with my values, do tell. I calculated that with these values, an electron would have an speed of 493309.44 m/s in 4 billion years.

EAT = Busted

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Disproof of flat earth theory
« on: March 11, 2010, 03:58:39 PM »
Goddamn Wilmore, it is exceedingly obvious on your map that the northern route takes far more distance than the eastern or western routes.


Prove it. Stop making baseless claims which are grounded in nothing more than your assumptions.

On your map, the most direct way (the straight line) from Chicago to Seoul is roughly east to west. Any other method would take longer. Basic geometry at its finest.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Electromagnetic Accelerator Disproven
« on: March 11, 2010, 02:10:24 PM »
No matter how good you may think your theory is, it doesn't disprove anything. You need evidence to do that.

I love this quote. This throws out about half of your theories.

It is so perfect, I almost think you are trolling.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Disproof of flat earth theory
« on: March 11, 2010, 02:08:47 PM »
Goddamn Wilmore, it is exceedingly obvious on your map that the northern route takes far more distance than the eastern or western routes.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: REFUTATE THIS
« on: March 11, 2010, 04:18:47 AM »
photon is 0.00000000000000000000039 times the mass of an electron.
That's why it's called light.
 ::)

Care to read the rest of my post? Or would you like to make more pointless posts. Come on parsec, find a flaw in my equations or values. Hell, I made the critical value for formation of atoms probably like 3-5 orders of magnitude higher.

EAT= cannot exist.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Light bends up, right?
« on: March 10, 2010, 06:00:48 PM »
Anyone ever give any thought to how difficult making a visual approach in an aircraft would be if light was "bendy"? I bet the VASI, much less ILS for an instrument landing, would end up being wildly inaccurate.
Why the fuck didn't I think of this?

This is true, you can hold a constant power setting, constant airspeed, therefore constant profile and have the vasi/papi give the same reading.
Mind if I make a topic on it?

I have been saying this for a while and I think we need a topic on airplanes, radar and other forms of communication, and bendy light. It just can't work and no one seems to understand that the planes radar profile will be HEAVILY distorted in the air compared to tests done in the hangar with Bendy Light.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: REFUTATE THIS
« on: March 10, 2010, 05:58:40 PM »
Lets say a speed of .000001 m/s (exceedingly high as the atom will cease to exist at far lower accelerations). http://www.usatoday.com/weather/resources/basics/wonderquest/photonmass.htm says that photon is 0.00000000000000000000039 times the mass of an electron. This seems like acceleration would do nothing, but, the EAT accelerates photons A LOT (enough that even going at lightspeed for a distance of 10-100 km, it has a supposedly significant speed going up). Lets say it a photon 10,000 m/s^2 (remember light will cover 10-100km in very low fractions of a second).

The earth has been around for 4 billion years. Combine that with my very very very high estimate of atom instability, and the extreme accelerations of light particles that the EAT must generate, and the atom cannot exist.


Try the math out for yourself. If you have problems with my values, do tell. I calculated that with these values, an electron would have an speed of 493309.44 m/s in 4 billion years.

EAT = Busted

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: REFUTATE THIS
« on: March 10, 2010, 05:12:31 PM »
That little bit of acceleration should really mess up electrons. Besides, we have nice particle accelerators that would notice these weird results.

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