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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: NY City bomber

« on: May 10, 2010, 02:16:48 PM »

And again, owning a gun is not illegal. 

Right, we should also make it legal for felons to own guns again, especially the violent ones.

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The Lounge / Re: I opened a ROTH IRA today. I am becoming more growed up.

« on: May 10, 2010, 09:06:12 AM »

a) I could afford to stock away 15%

Without any debt and a budget, you can.

b) I could get a 12% return over the next 30 or so years.  I could retire early on that.

Over the next thirty years you can get an average of 12% on numerous mutual funds.

Right now I have a spreadsheet forecasting retirement goals that I have a 5% planned growth and 2% year over year pay increases.  I currently put in 8% and get a 5% match and have 1.5% post tax going to pension with a 10% company kick on that.

I'd like to get to at least 12% on my own with the 401, but want to get a bit into a Roth before I up my 401.  I'll still haven't done the conversion from future to present value on the end term value of the money yet though.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: i saw the new "A Nightmare on Elm Street"

« on: May 03, 2010, 01:35:20 PM »

Hated it.

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The Lounge / Re: I opened a ROTH IRA today. I am becoming more growed up.

« on: May 03, 2010, 01:25:54 PM »

One thing I forgot, and this is super important.  DO NOT INVEST, until you are debt free except for your house.  No cars, no credit cards, no personal loans, nothing.  And stay out of debt from now till you die.  I started working this program about a year ago, cut up all my credit cards(and cancelled them) paid off all my loans last Feb, and have been debt free ever since.  You must be debt free (and stay that way) before you begin to plan for your retirement.  Once you are debt free your target savings for retirement should be 15% of your income.



*fine print below*

If you feel you cant live (or be) debt free its ok, planning for your retirement without it is ok but not recommended.

Eh, that depends on what your epmployer matches.  I get matched up to 6%, so its like free money.  Also have a car loan at 0% which is like more free money(or time).

Additionally an IRA makes sense from the standpoint that, at retirement, you can use it to throttle your taxable income and draw on the IRA instead of the traditional 401(k).

I wish that:
a) I could afford to stock away 15%
b) I could get a 12% return over the next 30 or so years.  I could retire early on that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Christian anything.

« on: May 03, 2010, 12:47:41 PM »

Kirk Cameron as well....

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: What's the deal with...

« on: May 03, 2010, 12:44:27 PM »

First of all, I couldn't demote John even if I wanted (which I most certainly don't). Only Daniel can make that call, as you know. As for telling me to "do the right thing", that doesn't really help. I can't click my heels and say 'Spike Lee' to magic up a solution.

So why are you an admin again exactly?

Its part of a conspiracy to keep the site run by flat earthers organized by Archlord James... (further sarcastic hilarity)

Is this where the money for the hoodies went?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: What's the deal with...

« on: April 30, 2010, 11:28:13 AM »

I agree it would be nice to have suggestions and concerns available to the banned in a perfect world but its not feasible software wise currently and it likely would be abused.

Nope. No more than the contact details you already proposed would be abused.

Being such an expert in law you should know how to contact your state's AG and begin the process of a class action lawsuit to "make you whole" again for any unjust ban.  You should make yourself the point man for all other members in your state so that they can be included in the suit.  Don't forget about the emotional distress of others impacted by your ban.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Jihad Vs. South Park

« on: April 28, 2010, 11:30:56 AM »

I found it funny that Budah could do blow at the table and Jesus dropped a Jesus Christ exclamation a few times, but no muhammed because he is special.

You have to figure that this week's episode is going to be over the top to push the limits as far as they ever have.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: I am concerned about my Hoody. I suggest you send it.

« on: April 27, 2010, 01:46:05 PM »

Wilmore is Daniel's alt and is currently mocking your lack of hoodie via fake moving stories.

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Flat Earth General / Re: My GPS

« on: April 27, 2010, 01:21:41 PM »

The map for wilmores has the antarctic as a seperate continent, that is not it.

This one?

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Flat Earth General / Re: My GPS

« on: April 27, 2010, 01:16:36 PM »

Lord Wilmire Map is the most accurate i have seen.

Ummmmmmmm.... which map are we refering to here? Because if its anything like this -



Accurate...... does not describe it.

No more or less accurate than this:

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The Lounge / Re: Losing your virginity multiple times.

« on: April 27, 2010, 01:00:26 PM »

The term virgin is obsolete. I thought that was the whole point of the ridiculousness of this whole situation. Virginity matters none unless you are obsessed with controlling every portion of your girl's life.

Also going against them in detection is that face holes and poop chutes have no hymen.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The appearance of Gravity

« on: April 23, 2010, 04:12:35 AM »

Cue response of "You have observed all charged particles both in and out of a gravitational field?"

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The appearance of Gravity

« on: April 22, 2010, 04:19:48 AM »

What experimental data do you have that shows a distinct result which can differentiate between and upwardly accelerating earth and gravitational acceleration?

No this is not up to me to prove. It is up to the FET's to prove. Your theory postulates this. Yet, no scientific data has been offered to support this.

Extraordinary claims requires extraordinary proof.

Are you suggesting that there is a way to differentiate between an upwardly accelerating earth and a downward pull of gravity?

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The Lounge / Re: Kwame turns himself in!

« on: April 21, 2010, 11:22:19 AM »

I know.

Sounds like the Feds are on to him too.

I'd have to imagine that the IRS will want to take a look at all of the "donations" he is receiving.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The appearance of Gravity

« on: April 21, 2010, 11:20:30 AM »

My theory...you're cute.

.... snip my posts....

I bolded the key part for you.  If all that matters is the relative velocity between the two, then why would you expect a different result from a stationary object (relative to the earth) with a wind velocity of 5 units vs an object moving at 5 units with no wind velocity?

...snip my posts....

How would all of the objects know how much to move by if they were the ones falling?

Addressing your first query. The earth is moving relative to the object. Hence the object is stationary relative to the air. Only when the object is moving does it attain a velocity relative to the air around it and therefore experiences drag.

Your theory would imply that when the earth moves upwards it pushes the air up with it. Is this your theory? Does the earth push the air up with it? Have you got experimental data to prove this? Where does this pushed up air displace to?

My theory, you're cute.

From the FAQ:
Q: "Wouldn't the atmosphere be diffused into space?"

A1: In the general model, there is a vector field created during the interaction between DE and the Earth. This is known as the DEF, which it acts as a containment to prevent DE from affecting objects with mass on Earth. This explains why the atmolayer will not be diffused into space. Here is an explanation on the DEF's structure by one of our moderators.
Q: "In the moving Earth, why does a feather fall slower than a bowling ball"?

A: It's due to air resistance. The Earth accelerates the air, and the air in turn accelerates the feather up faster than the bowling ball. In our reference frame, it seems that the feather is falling slower than the bowling ball.

With a moving earth, why would you expect the air to not move with it?  Does the air contained in a moving car not move with it?

Now to your second query. The objects do not know how far to fall. They will fall until the strike the earth. In fact if you cored out a hole in the earth in direct line of this objects path, it would carry on falling through the hole, until it reached the end of the hole.

Your theory implies teh earth somehow sense an object should fall by x meters, therefore it must move up by x. To achieve this the earth must be in a perpetual state of upward motion. Otherwise, how can it move x meters for object K at the same time it must move 3x for object P?

So I ask you what experimental data do you have that confirms that the earth is in a state of perpetual upward motion and to what is this upward motion relative to?
Is the earth moving upwards through space? This would imply that the sun and moon are also moving upward at the same rate.

What is now below left behind under the earth? Into what is the whole galaxy moving into?

How is:

If that is the case then, how does the earth know when to move and how much to move by?

any different from:

How would all of the objects know how much to move by if they were the ones falling?

What experimental data do you have that shows a distinct result which can differentiate between and upwardly accelerating earth and gravitational acceleration?

Into what is the whole galaxy moving indeed.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Christian anything.

« on: April 21, 2010, 11:02:17 AM »

Did Emeril Lagasse cause the quake in Bam?

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The Lounge / Re: Kwame turns himself in!

« on: April 21, 2010, 07:54:16 AM »

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2010/04/21/journalism-usual-kwame-kilpatricks-latest-capers-former-detroit-mayors-p

Former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick violated terms of his probation by failing to report assets and turn over tax refunds, a judge ruled Tuesday, strongly suggesting he may send him to jail when he's sentenced next month.

Wayne County Circuit Judge David Groner said Kilpatrick could remain free on bond pending his sentencing on May 25, and ordered state corrections officials to prepare a pre-sentence report by May 18.

Defense lawyer Michael Alan Schwartz said jail or prison would be extreme.

"What's important - punishing the guy or getting money for the city?" Schwartz told The Associated Press. "He's already lost his position as mayor. He's lost his license to practice law. ... Is additional punishment going to achieve any positive good? The answer is no."

Watch, he'll weasel the money somehow now that he's really facing jail and pony up the cash and have his lawyers and publicist say "aw look he paid the money you wanted so far, spare him the jail time".

http://www.freep.com/article/20100420/NEWS01/100420057/1003/NEWS01/Judge-finds-Kilpatrick-guilty-hints-that-May-25-sentencing-will-bring-jail

Ex-mayor's spokesman reaches out to supporters
3:05 p.m. | Mike Paul, spokesman for former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, just gave another press conference.
Paul said now is the time for Kilpatrick supporters to reach out. Asked if he meant financial support or moral support, Paul said, ?All of the above.?
Paul said KIlpatrick still has plenty of supporters in the community.
?Now is the time to pray for him,? Paul said. ?Now is the time to support him. Now is the time to reach out.?
Paul insinuated that there will be ways to make donations to Kilpatrick.
?We are going to continue to give you more information about ways in which the community can reach out,? he said.

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The Lounge / Re: Random Religious Comic Thread

« on: April 21, 2010, 07:46:15 AM »

Are you implying that a graduation rate of under 25 % would perhaps hurt the country's stats?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The appearance of Gravity

« on: April 21, 2010, 07:43:26 AM »

In addition to this theory that objects stay still and the earth moves towards them, I would like to query the role that drag plays in the movement of objects through air.

Drag is a function of the objects velocity relative to the air around it. Hence, if an object is dropped, the speed at which it falls is slowed by the effect of drag.
In the FET theory the object is not moving, hence it has no velocity and therefore will have no drag. Therefore all objects that are dropped should fall at the exact same rate.

However the observed situation is that by deploying a parachute when you exit an aircraft, will create sufficient drag to slow you down such that you impact the earth at a safe velocity. The individual effectively accelarates to earth at less than 9.8m/s^2.

Your theory implies when a person exits an aircraft they remain inert and the earth moves up towards them at 9.8m/s^2. Since he is motionless, he has no velocity therefore no drag therefore his accelaration relative to the earth is 9.8m/s^2. The person will therefore impact the earth at a high velocity and will die.

The observed situation does not agree with your theory. Your theory is therefore wrong and should be revised.

I bolded the key part for you.  If all that matters is the relative velocity between the two, then why would you expect a different result from a stationary object (relative to the earth) with a wind velocity of 5 units vs an object moving at 5 units with no wind velocity?

Just to clarify, the FET position with respect to what moves relative to what when an object "falls" is that the earth moves upwards to the object?

If that is the case then, how does the earth know when to move and how much to move by?

At any single moment in the world there are plenty of objects falling from different heights. So how can the earth move 1.5m for one guy but 2m for another guy?

How would all of the objects know how much to move by if they were the ones falling?

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The Lounge / Re: Kwame turns himself in!

« on: April 21, 2010, 03:45:15 AM »

I hope so.  Why the hell did the judge give him another month?  He sure seemed to have an issue with the people having an issue with this.

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The Lounge / Re: Random Religious Comic Thread

« on: April 21, 2010, 03:44:04 AM »

Being near the top in many of those categories seems to be doing Iceland fat lot of good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932010_Icelandic_financial_crisis

http://www.newser.com/story/44190/youths-flee-struggling-iceland.html

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The appearance of Gravity

« on: April 21, 2010, 03:38:53 AM »

guys, just look at how magnets work, they use MAGNETIC  energy to pull them selves together. I dont think im seeing the magnets fall towards eachother. aspeshaly when im holding them side by side.

the earth's core is just one massive magnet, and it so powerful, it's able to pull everything around it towwards it.


just think of that little magnet of yours (assuming you have one that is) as a mini planet core.

Is that what you think gravity is?

I bolded my favorite part. 

It shows that the post was edited.  What could have possibly been more incoherent than what is in there now to warrant going back to edit?

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The Lounge / Re: Kwame turns himself in!

« on: April 20, 2010, 01:12:16 PM »

http://www.freep.com/article/20100420/NEWS01/4200334/Where-did-220-000-in-Kilpatrick-Civic-Fund-go

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/Southlake-Resident-Former-Detroit-Mayor-Violated-ProbationJudge-91619099.html

At least it is a step in the right direction.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The appearance of Gravity

« on: April 20, 2010, 04:42:43 AM »

weigh

Tom,
Best one word response ever.  I had to read above to find out exactly why you would post "weigh", but it was well worth it.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Retrograde Motion

« on: April 19, 2010, 07:24:29 AM »

See the link on the first page of this thread:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Planets

Why doesn't the tiki address how the seasonal expansion and contraction of the sun's orbit around the "hub" impacts the movement?
Would any of these planets ever be stationary over the northern hub? Why or why not?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Movey light theory

« on: April 19, 2010, 04:59:41 AM »

I hear that there is at least one scientist that was working on a way to correlate spectral shift with distance to a galaxy.

Tom's point is that there is no direct experimental evidence confirming that stellar distances are as they have been reported as "*illions" of years away.  This is in contrast to the mountain of direct experimental evidence produced by people such as Samuel Birley Rowbotham that proves that the moon is self luminous.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: answer this, smart one

« on: April 19, 2010, 04:29:09 AM »

I didn't say you had to be superhuman to 'jump'. I said you had to be superhuman to walk in a direction directly opposite to the pull of gravity. This means 'up'.

...repeated angry ranting at being trolled...

Stop being baited....

Pardon my interruption....but could someone please briefly explain what being "baited" is?

"Baited" the old school term for being trolled.

Yeah, pretty much. Like when you bait your hook with something and cast it out to see what kind of fish you catch.  Some fall victim to it more easily than others, then think they are special because they "won", when odds are they completely missed the point of what they were arguing against yet declare things over.

The key is to not get too elaborate, but leave one somewhat arguable or ambiguous point.  Bishop does it fairly well.  Also score points if you actually spell out "hey I'm baiting/trollilng you right now and I bet you fall for it again by a) angrily ranting or b) doing a giant research project to disprove something posted."

/convo

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Retrograde Motion

« on: April 17, 2010, 07:58:55 PM »

Point out the equal sign between existent and grade anywhere other than in your post.

grade=teachers=women=problem=NOT EXISTENT

If grade = teachers and teachers = women, then grade = women.

If women = problem and problem = NON EXISTENT, then women = NON EXISTENT

If grade = women and women = NON EXISTENT, then grade = NON EXISTENT

Figuring out answers yourself is a wondrous thing sometimes.

a)Fantastic, now point to the word NON in the quote you used of mine.
b)Stop being baited so easily, angry noob.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Ask a Christian anything.

« on: April 17, 2010, 07:48:31 PM »

Is the Bible to be taken literally, or are parts of it figurative?

If the latter is true, how is it known which parts are figurative?

It's called a study bible.

Oh, that means where you go into a room and someone else tells you what to take literally and figuratively?

No. That means you buy a bible that's labeled a "Study Bible" with footnotes to teach you. This one, for example.

Would you like to read my study bible? Its way better, I assure you.

I assume it's called "Science for Dummies"

No, its just a really good study bible. God wrote the footnotes in mine, I bet he didn't write them in yours.

It's about time he intervened and explained all that vague and often contradictory stuff he wrote before.

In one of the footnotes he says he's sorry, but he just thought it would be more fun that way

Did He autograph it for you?

Yup!

Sweet!