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The Lounge / Re: A different kind of naming ceremony
« on: April 18, 2019, 04:00:03 PM »
Also, if it's a boy, I don't have shit for names
Benjamin Franklin LastName

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Favorite Rappers?
« on: April 11, 2019, 05:51:50 PM »
Not trying to be a dick, just can't help it . . . Vivaldi.   ;)

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Favorite Rappers?
« on: April 11, 2019, 04:37:02 PM »
Artists and groups I really enjoy and would suggest:
Aesop Rock
Brother Ali
Common Market

If anyone isn't a fan of rap/hip-hop but is open-minded, feel free to suggest some music you do like (regardless of genre) and I'd be happy to try and suggest some rap you might like. And if anyone has any more edge lord comments about how an entire genre of music is bad, I'll be telling your mom and she won't let you see the new Avengers. Which is fair, because it's PG-13 anyway.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Space travel cannot be faked
« on: March 27, 2019, 07:28:01 PM »
The simple existence of UFOs which many people can attest to and have personal, zetetic experience of makes it clear that space travel does in fact exist because how else could they make it to our world from other planets?
Just because an object is flying and unidentified doesn't mean it's from another planet.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: AOC
« on: March 27, 2019, 10:08:05 AM »
It speaks volumes where I can start a thread with just 3 letters and immediately everyone knows not only what it's about but immediately start to take up their pre-ordained positions on the left vs right spectrum of political viewpoints.
Here's the rub. Anytime you see the usual propaganda outlets from the far ends of the spectrum both spinning shit about the same person, but with opposite goals, be suspicious. This woman is going to be one of the most lied about politician of this upcoming decade. She'll likely have a large number of ridiculous conspiracies made up about her, a la Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama.

Must be the worst written book in the history of everything.
No, that's True Allegiance by Ben Shapiro.
Nah. I know Ben Shapiro is the current meme, but I dare you to find any of his writings as bad as this piece of shit book:

I read the first two chapters at a library once. Highlights included:
"If aliens arrived and tried to find the official religion of America, it would be liberalism" and then several pages ranting about low-flow toilets. Do not buy this book or give it any money, but you can probably find a copy at your local small town library.

Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Post Deletion
« on: March 22, 2019, 09:06:53 PM »
While people deleting posts and making older threads hard to read is unfortunate, I want to advocate for FES always having a way to make posts non-public, if not totally deleted. FES and FE'ers are often targeted by malicious actors, including but not limited to trolls, conspiracy agents, and crazies. It may become necessary for any prolific poster to obscure past posts for personal safety.

Flat Earth General / Re: Pete Svarrior and MCToon friendly chat
« on: March 21, 2019, 11:58:03 PM »
Great job Pete. Always glad to see one of the elite Flat Earth minds spreading FET among an audience that will listen.

For what it's worth, as a long-standing member of FES, Pete is probably the most passionate, honest, and determined proponent of FET I've ever seen. People may disagree with his tactics or beliefs, but it's clear he cares about FES and FET more than almost anyone.

The Lounge / Re: Werepenguin XIII- The unholy number players thread
« on: March 21, 2019, 12:00:32 PM »
I'm also confirmed good and I say kill CFC.
Ther's some logic here. Things don't look great for team good, and a straight injection of RNG to the veins might help our chances of winning.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Firearm rights
« on: March 21, 2019, 11:28:48 AM »
The teachers are adults, who supposedly have some kind of degree.  Why should they not be allowed to carry a small little .380?
You can, in some states, with the school district's approval.

If you want to make it mandatory to arm teachers, please see my last post.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Firearm rights
« on: March 21, 2019, 10:55:12 AM »
It is not a right of the militia, it is a right of the people.  I, for one, am part of the people.  Are you?
The right of the people to a militia. Which you and I both have, in our state's respective National Guards. Really the biggest threat to this right is the federal government using National Guard for foreign operations, as has frequently happened in the war in the Middle East over the last 15 years.

As far as teachers being armed, is your only defense against it is that we have some kink of lack of workers? 
I'll parse out the flaws a bit more. Ignoring the fact it would increase gun violence, which I'm sure you'll dispute, we'll just focus on the pure policy flaws with it.

It will massively increase the cost of teachers. Like, to a factor of three or four times their current cost, at a minimum. Almost no current teacher would be qualified for this, and I can't imagine many would even pass the training to a satisfactory level. We are currently under-funding education. You're massively increasing the cost of education, which isn't politically possible.

To be flippant, we won't even give teacher's enough pencils and notebooks, and you think we can add the cost of weapons, additional insurance, training, and the massive pay increase to every teacher?

There's also no precedent of this working. Our closest case-study I can find would be the massive increase in school resource officers (Armed, trained police) in schools post-columbine. I can't find an instance of a school shooting stopped by these officers. I can literally tell you more times that a school resource officer has lost their gun than stopped a shooter.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Firearm rights
« on: March 21, 2019, 10:36:21 AM »
What part of "the right of the people" is up for interpretation?  It is a right.
Yes, the right to a well-regulated militia. You have this in the form of your state's National Guard. Your rights, per the second amendment, are not currently being restricted and still wouldn't even with much stricter gun control laws.

I would propose that every teacher in the US be trained with and issued a single stack .380 (9X17mm) at the least.  They should have some kind of background and mental check, and if they can't pass that, then they should not be teachers in the first place.  I would not want someone who is not capable of owning, handling, or carrying a firearm in charge of my kids.
With all due respect, come the fuck on. We have a problem getting enough decent teachers or enough decent police already, and you want to merge these two jobs? Unless you plan to offer six figures with public employee benefits, good luck filling these jobs. And if you can get politicians to triple teacher pay, please stop wasting your time on FES and start lobbying politicians. Our future generations need you.

Fuck, when I was in high school a local school's resource officer (Uniformed, trained policeman) had their gun taken away by students that were fucking around. If trained cops can't handle it, teachers sure as fuck can't.

The Lounge / Re: Werepenguin XIII- The unholy number players thread
« on: March 20, 2019, 11:46:43 PM »
Oh yeah, that's right. It wasn't Gayer or Crouton. B.Franks, it had to be you. You pulled your protection away from me at the worst possible moment. Sorry, not sorry.
I only did it because I didn't want you to win.

The Lounge / Re: Werepenguin XIII- The unholy number players thread
« on: March 20, 2019, 11:44:40 PM »

The Lounge / Re: Werepenguin XIII- The unholy number players thread
« on: March 20, 2019, 11:32:51 PM »
I miss being alive.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Socialism
« on: March 20, 2019, 01:21:22 PM »
ITT: No actual discussion of socialism.

Fuck, I'd love to have a debate or national conversation about socialism. However, as evidenced in this thread, we can't even get most people to give a coherent definition of what socialism is. I'd suspect the massive amount of anti-socialist and anti-communist propaganda the United States shit out during the Cold War (and is still getting shit out by some of our fine media conglomerates) is to blame for the intentional and pervasive misinformation.

I mean, come on, there's no way you can argue in good faith when you literally think that the theories of socialism are
socialism means that you take things from other people and give it to others, and we will kill anyone who thinks differently or could potentially think differently.

If we can't argue in good faith or understand the topic, how the fuck can we rationally analyze the topic?

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Firearm rights
« on: March 20, 2019, 11:11:10 AM »
I think Junker has already explained how adding more guns to a situation almost always results in more, not less, deaths. The fact even the hypothetical example involves shooting someone over less than a thousand dollars is pretty clear evidence that more people with guns means more people die.

But, in the US, it is written into the constitution.
But I'd like to focus on this part. I think people really misunderstand the second amendment. Let's look at the actual text.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The second amendment guarantees the rights of a people to a militia, and clearly a militia needs weapons, but the idea that it grants individuals rights is a recent interpretation. It's only in 2008 (District of Columbia v Heller) that the courts agreed that it grants individual rights, and those rights are not unlimited.

To say gun rights for individuals is enshrined in the constitution is false. It's more enshrined in some Bush-era 's judicial interpretation, and even in that your rights to guns are limited. You can have a gun, but not any gun you want and the government can (and should) put strong limitations on ammunition, modifications, and types of guns. The constitution protects your well-regulated militias, which in modern times is the National Guard.

The Lounge / Re: Werepenguin XIII- The unholy number players thread
« on: March 19, 2019, 12:35:28 PM »

[I vote to lynch boydster]

Boydster - 4
Jane - 2

Arts & Entertainment / Re: Coolest merch
« on: March 18, 2019, 07:13:11 PM »
Anyone send me links please. I'm a fresh believer and I want everybody to know.
The coolest shirt was the limited run of like 100 from a decade ago. Only the cool kids got them. Mine's been ripped like two or three times, but I'll keep repairing it until it's shreds.

A cute girl once called it "cool". Not to brag or anything.

The Lounge / Re: Werepenguin XIII- The unholy number players thread
« on: March 18, 2019, 03:10:58 PM »
We all got alibis. I'm declaring you:

Double Sus

That's a lot of sus.

The Lounge / Re: Werepenguin XIII- The unholy number players thread
« on: March 18, 2019, 03:04:11 PM »
People who voted to kill BatteryStaple and are hella sus:
NSS (Effectively)

The Lounge / Re: Werepenguin XIII- The unholy number players thread
« on: March 18, 2019, 12:02:53 PM »
Tough choice.

If I let barst die then I give into anger. If I get the narrator lynched then I give into fear.

I'm going to go the route of cowardice and try to stalemate the decision.

[vote to lynch the narrator]

Narrator 3
Barst 3
I hate cowardice and stalemates.

[I change my vote to lynch Crouton]
Narrator -3
Barst - 2
Crouton - 1

The Lounge / Re: Werepenguin XIII- The unholy number players thread
« on: March 18, 2019, 11:43:46 AM »
I don't really understand lynching the narrator and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.

[I vote to lynch BatteryStaple]

Narrator - 2
BatteryStaple - 3

The Lounge / Re: Werepenguin XIII- The unholy number players thread
« on: March 17, 2019, 12:23:25 PM »
Everyone PM me your role please.

Arts & Entertainment / Re: The IRL Collaboration.
« on: March 14, 2019, 10:25:07 PM »
Sooo, Gayer, not to bring up old wounds but did you ever track down the book?

The Lounge / Re: A different kind of naming ceremony
« on: March 14, 2019, 10:24:03 AM »
Joeseph Benito Adolf Hideki Crouton

The Lounge / Re: Is it not right to say "I'm fine" ?
« on: March 13, 2019, 10:21:55 PM »
After someone greets "How are you" is it not proper to say "I'm fine". If so, why?
In our English lesson books it's taught so. Please clarify this matter for me. Thanks. 8)
At least in my slice of the English speaking world, you should be slightly overstating how you are neutrally. So "I'm good" or "Pretty good" are all proper responses.

If you want some slang, instead of saying "I'm fine" say "I'm aight (EYE-t)" or "I g (jhee)". You'll be fitting in with those urban youths in no time!

The Lounge / Re: Werepenguin XIII- The unholy number sign up
« on: March 10, 2019, 12:14:21 PM »

Where are the good Flat Earthers?
There are numerous long time Flat Earthers that have been active in promoting Flat Earth Theory. Daniel Shenton, John Davis, Tom Bishop. But the Flat Earth community is large and decentralized, spread across many websites.

Why do we not see or hear from them?
I don't know, look in better places.

Do you mean reasonable flat-earthers like [insert two crazy people]?
No, I don't mean them. As a general rule, if someone is talking about cherry picked examples you shouldn't try and cherry pick more examples.

I notice whenever Flat Earth Theory is posted about or talked about on reddit, Flat Earthers are always massively downvoted, and the only visible Flat Earthers are usually some nutter with a camera posting on Youtube. Hardly a good format for talking about controversial ideas.

Reasonable Flat Earthers rarely get fair coverage, especially not on reddit. That latest Netflix documentary is a great example of the malpractice Flat Earth Theory gets in the media.

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