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Flat Earth General / Re: Why doesn’t the sun have phases like the moon?

« on: Today at 08:37:58 AM »

flatearth.ws pictures,

I didn’t know that’s how taking my own photos of the moon showing it’s a 3 dimensional object illuminated by the sun worked. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why doesn’t the sun have phases like the moon?

« on: Today at 08:35:52 AM »

You're right.

We know we are right in that the moon isn’t self illuminating.  Shows every indication of being illuminated by the sun.  Where you have no explanations for the phases of the moon that works with reality where you can’t explain the why the phases are interrupted by lunar eclipses. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: Today at 08:32:26 AM »

What does that one even mean?

I might be off.   It if you actual read other people’s posts you might know. If anything the individual has posted they like to play good cop bad cop. 

😁

Exactly.

Care to address the below post by Smoke Machine.

I have a friend with aphantasia.

And typical.
You take whatever excuse you can to entirely flee from the topic.

I don't really care about your inability to visualise things and comprehend the difference between small and far away.

This is about your pathetic lie that you repeated time and time again.
Your lie that Polaris remains stationary in the footage then magically jumps down to complete the loop.



Again, either admit Polaris is moving the entire time and you have been repeatedly lying to everyone or defend your obvious lie.

Another pathetic lie is the one you tell your wife that you need to be on this forum spending more time talking with Bulmabriefs, than spending time with her.

Does she read the dribble you post on here?

Despite who’s trolling who Bulma. 

Bulma, I think we all would like to know how you got brainwashed into believing the lies Polaris is fixed, static, and sits on the northern celestial pole.  Because reality shows Polaris circles around the northern celestial pole. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: Today at 06:31:31 AM »

Diapa, you are in the wrong thread talking about your stupid Polaris. This is the why would the government lie thread.

So far, naturally, the flat earthers have produced zero reasons for any government to lie about the shape of the Earth.

Quit derailing the thread, Diapa, with your Polaris fetish. Talk about your Polaris in the  Polaris thread.

Globe earthers and flat earthers alike, couldn't give a shit about Polaris.

How about you stop your wired obsession with trolling me.  Do I smell bacon?

Anyway..

I have a friend with aphantasia.

And typical.
You take whatever excuse you can to entirely flee from the topic.

I don't really care about your inability to visualise things and comprehend the difference between small and far away.

This is about your pathetic lie that you repeated time and time again.
Your lie that Polaris remains stationary in the footage then magically jumps down to complete the loop.



Again, either admit Polaris is moving the entire time and you have been repeatedly lying to everyone or defend your obvious lie.

I know you got a thing for posting about blondes to Bulma

I have had fun times in the past with sexy blonde jehovah's witness women, Bulma. Believe me! For women who are supposed to only have sex when married, they sure do like to try before they buy.

Ahh, that was your mistake with Wise. Politics and religion are two topics you should never raise at a party. Didn't your mother teach you that? Flat Earth is perfectly fine for you to raise, so long as you enjoy, when people find out you are serious, treating you like a leper.

In the thread, “Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth”

I guess if it gets you off posting about conquests to Balma, whatever.

But let’s not give Bulma an out on lying about Polaris.

Is this not your post.

I have a friend with aphantasia.

And typical.
You take whatever excuse you can to entirely flee from the topic.

I don't really care about your inability to visualise things and comprehend the difference between small and far away.

This is about your pathetic lie that you repeated time and time again.
Your lie that Polaris remains stationary in the footage then magically jumps down to complete the loop.



Again, either admit Polaris is moving the entire time and you have been repeatedly lying to everyone or defend your obvious lie.

Another pathetic lie is the one you tell your wife that you need to be on this forum spending more time talking with Bulmabriefs, than spending time with her.

Does she read the dribble you post on here?

Jackass.

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: Today at 01:27:24 AM »

Once again confusing

Still trying to lie and change the subject.

Silly old me can even show Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

What I did was take a serious of photos and used them to make a time lapse.

Sky time lapse 7-10 to 7-11 2025


Notice what didn’t happen, the trees didn’t rotate.

Bulma.  Do you understand time lapse.  It’s like a movie.  It’s a series of photographs that are played to make a movie, but the frame rate of the captured photos is different than 24 frames a second.

Once the sunset, each photo was a 30 second exposure taken at 1:10 intervals. 

The time lapse is a series of photographs.  I took photos from the series after sunset and cleaned out the photos with lots of clouds. That also created longer times between certain photos.  Then using a star stacker program, created this image.



Used the settings to bring out the stars more.




Then cropped to the celestial pole.



The tree branches moved with the wind and slightly blurred.  You can’t stop that with a serious of 30 second exposures. Than there is blurring in the clouds But notice there is zero evidence the camera was rotated to “fake” Polaris circling the northern celestial pole.

Bulma.  Do you understand that Polaris isn’t fixed, isn’t stationary, and Polaris isn’t siting on the northern celestial pole.  To post otherwise is to post a brainwashed lie.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.

« on: July 14, 2025, 02:24:53 PM »

Any point

Care to address the actual topic of this thread. “Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.”

What does perpendicular to ‘down’ mean?

As in why gravity gives meaning to down.  Like how stash pointed out a smart phones uses accelgrometers to reference the downward force of gravity to know “down”.

 Anyway. 

Pendulous Vanes | Pilot Tutorial
Share

Like what’s explained on this videos.

No, gyroscopes are independent of gravity; they work on centripetal forces. It is basic physics.

Are you referring to the gyroscope in the artificial horizon?  You get it’s not a plane gyroscope.  You understand it’s a system of mechanisms with a gyroscope?  Mechanisms used to correct errors inherent to gyroscopes?  Pretty smart creating a flight instrument that self corrects errors inherent to gyroscopes?

No, gyroscopes are independent of gravity; they work on centripetal forces. It is basic physics.

https://flatearth.ws/artificial-horizon

An artificial horizon, or attitude indicator, is a flight instrument that indicates the aircraft’s orientation relative to Earth’s horizon and gives an immediate indication of the smallest change of orientation. An artificial horizon utilizes a gyroscope to detect the change of orientation and pendulous vanes to continuously correct the orientation relative to the level.

Flat-Earthers claim that an artificial horizon should drift over time if the airplane is flying over the spherical Earth because the gyroscope will eventually drift and no longer points toward Earth’s center. In reality, an artificial horizon has a self-correcting mechanism, keeping the gyroscope upright if it is displaced for any reason, including by the aircraft’s motion following Earth’s curvature.

Where the artificial horizon in aircraft are designed to prevent drift from flying around a globe.  All a flat earther would have to do is charter a flight with a separate artificial horizon with the drift correcting mechanism disabled.  And just proof the drift mechanism is needed because the earth is spherical and just prove the evolution of why flight instruments evolved into the designs they have today.

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 14, 2025, 02:00:17 PM »

Actually, I can quite easily visualize the distance to the moon.

How.  With what to gauge distance since you ignore parallax of the moon?  You mean distance to your supposed projection?

Anyway.  How do you gauge distance by eye?

How Forced Perspective in ELF was filmed!

Where the moon should greatly change apparent size for FE. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 14, 2025, 08:33:05 AM »

How wide do you think Bulma's field of influence is?

The real question is the influence of Wise, they have people!

including the staff,

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 14, 2025, 07:24:08 AM »

Actually, I can quite easily visualize the distance to the moon. That's  the problem. And then I visualize the distance to the sun. And I compare their general sizes in my head. And I look at the supposed difference it size of the sun and moon, and different distance, and I say to you...
"Son, were you dropped on the head as a child? These two objects move as though they are the same size at the same distance away, and neither of them look to be completely different distances.

So?  To you this package is as wide as the Ohio river?



My hand as big as the bridge?


We know the sun and moon have negligible changes in apparent size not detectable by the unaided eye.

We know for people in the USA the sun and moon would have to greatly change apparent size for FE through the day and over the seasons. 

When know a good magnitude of distance to the moon by using parallax of the moon.  And by who can see the moon in the same instance where they see the same face of the moon with the same apparent size. 

We know the moon gets in front of the sun during a solar eclipse.  A dark object would be detected against the backdrop of the milky way at some point.

And we know the phases of the moon are interrupted by earth’s shadow during the lunar eclipse. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 14, 2025, 07:10:56 AM »

I have a friend with aphantasia.

Ok.

Care to address your false allegations concerning imaging that shows Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.  That has been proven, known, and used to correctly align to the actual northern celestial pole for decades. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why doesn’t the sun have phases like the moon?

« on: July 14, 2025, 07:04:14 AM »

Meanwhile, you doctor pictures of the sun and moon with weird shadows (no phase every for your first photo) and show off "3D images". The moon has meteors  on its surface, you say. 

The pictures I take are the natural shadowing.  I might lighten or darken the photo as a whole.

Something like this for a “portrait”



Vs



When I can’t get natural light like this…



The picture is a bit grainy because it’s a cellphone zoom.

Where the pictures of the moon as far as I remember are just natural light through the telescope.  I’m lazy and don’t like post work.  I like good shots and lighting where I can take a shot and it’s good.  That’s why I take the shot.  I would normally just delete the picture of the cat with back lighting.  But wanted a reference of natural lighting vs when I mess with lighting post shot. 








Bulma.  What do you think the moon looks like through a decent telescope or a pair of binoculars.  You mean a three dimensional object like the moon is shadowed like a three dimensional object being illuminated.  Well, duh.

As far as the sun.  Can you quote and cite what images of the sun I shadowed.  I used the correct solar filter for my telescope.

Bulma, what are you babbling about “moon has meteors  on its surface”.  Can you quote and link?

The moon has craters from impacts. 

If the moon doesn’t have gravity.  Why doesn’t the debris and crap from the moon being hit fall off? 

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 14, 2025, 03:25:17 AM »

So, that's why, when Bulma says anything about Earth, there's a 100% chance what he says, is gonna be something stupid. He has no idea what he is talking about, with either model.

I’m wondering if flat earthers suffer from something I learned about over the weekend.

Aphantasia

What is Aphantasia?
Aphantasia is the inability to visualize. Otherwise known as image-free thinking.
Confused? Let’s break it down.

https://aphantasia.com/what-is-aphantasia/?srsltid=AfmBOoqG1x0spVN9_9Fs8gkU_6-97GgU7YRtHnMj20CC4J7TlL-d_Xb5

I admit it’s easier for me to build a cabinet with no plans than to diagram a sentence. 

Where it seems easier for Bulma to write a sentence than visualise the distance to the moon.  And its relationship to the sun and earth. 

Probably also explains why Bulma has to highjack other people’s photos. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why doesn’t the sun have phases like the moon?

« on: July 14, 2025, 01:37:36 AM »

Bullshit.

Your photos are bullshit.


Meanwhile, you doctor pictures of the sun and moon with weird shadows (no phase every for your first photo) and show off "3D images".

What are you babbling about.  I can make a golden moon by simply changing how warm or cool the white balance of the photo.

My photos are simply what the cellphone white balanced to with an adapter to hold it to the telescope.  The moon high in the sky.  On a clear night.  Where you photo is pirated with no credit to the photographer with the moon low on the horizon on a foggy night.

https://majikphil2.blogspot.com/2009/11/halloween-2009.html?m=1

Or did Phillip's Natural World jack the photo of the moon from someone else. 

If you care so much Bulma and care about the truth, why don’t you invest some time and money and do your own photos of Polaris over the course of hours.  Or you just happily regurgitate Eric’s lies because you are brainwashed. 

If you like.  The time lapse of the moon I posted before taken with my Canon R100.  This is a video mode with the camera controlling white balance in automatic.

So.  Time lapse of the moon from yesterday evening into the night.  I’ll try again when it’s less cloudy.

Moon 5/7/2025 time lapse evening into night cloudy drifted out of frame



I would also like to make a video with the moon way overexposed so the video will show it passing in front of stars.  Or make a special filter?

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 13, 2025, 06:12:00 PM »

1. The stars near Polaris all rotate in a circle.
2. The Polaris star suddenly jumps south or southeast without any explanation
3. The southern hemisphere stars all rotate in a circle.

Who is brainwashed here?

I explained the break in continuity in the actual star trails in the thread.

Photographing the northern celestial sphere.

https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=93210.0


What I did was take a serious of photos and used them to make a time lapse.

Sky time lapse 7-10 to 7-11 2025


Notice what didn’t happen, the trees didn’t rotate.

Bulma.  Do you understand time lapse.  It’s like a movie.  It’s a series of photographs that are played to make a movie, but the frame rate of the captured photos is different than 24 frames a second.

Once the sunset, each photo was a 30 second exposure taken at 1:10 intervals. 

The time lapse is a series of photographs.  I took photos from the series after sunset and cleaned out the photos with lots of clouds. That also created longer times between certain photos.  Then using a star stacker program, created this image.



Used the settings to bring out the stars more.




Then cropped to the celestial pole.



The tree branches moved with the wind and slightly blurred.  You can’t stop that with a serious of 30 second exposures. Than there is blurring in the clouds But notice there is zero evidence the camera was rotated to “fake” Polaris circling the northern celestial pole.

A camera not perfectly repositioned from a battery change will make a jump or break in a star trail continuity.  But has noting to do with Polaris circling the northern celestial pole. 

Notice the position of the three on the right with more light before dark.  (Took a screenshot.  Was too lazy to download one of the source photos back on the photo.)



Vs the star trail photo.



Where it just confirms what’s been known and proven over and over again for decades.

What you going to do Bulma when I get my power adapter so I don’t have to change out batteries for a three or four hour time lapse? (I also stopped using noise reduction that was causing excessive write times and battery usage. Noise reduction basically takes a second “black” photo with the shutter closed and crosses it with captured photos as a reference to clean up shadows.) Which will prevent a “bump” where the reference trees in the foreground already show the rotation around the northern celestial pole wasn’t faked. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 13, 2025, 03:42:12 PM »

 whereas this is exactly what I see.

How about you instead of asserting what you see with a simple moments grace of Polaris you invest in actual equipment that’s shows what Polaris does over the course of hours. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why doesn’t the sun have phases like the moon?

« on: July 13, 2025, 03:38:06 PM »

At 10:00, the moon rose.

Ok.  Still doesn’t address what was posted.

Sigh.  Where there is no evidence of that concerning the distances you can see the moon.  Where the moon stays the same apparent size over those distances, and would have to greatly change for FE.


Where the actual shadowing on the moon phase to phase shows it’s a 3D object.

Your image Bulma.

When you want to throw this BS out.

 And when I look at your animations.

 Vs my photos.

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 13, 2025, 03:32:35 PM »

Brainwashed people look at evidence and rationalize

You have been presented with undeniable evidence Polaris circles the northern celestial pole and how the known offset is used to correctly align camera mounts to the northern celestial pole.  Not Polaris which isn’t at the northern celestial pole.  And Bulma.  You do the opposite.  You create irrational BS.

 And when I look at your animations.

It’s actual imaging that shows the offset of Polaris from the actual northern celestial pole.  If you want to do long exposure without blurring and star trails, the rotating mount have to be aligned to the actual northern celestial pole.

It’s a pretty simple and proved. 

Who is brainwashed here? Because from what I see, you seem to making excuses for what you see,

That I can produce imaging of the known and used offset of Polaris from the northern celestial pole.

Seems Bulma your the one brainwashed because actually observations of Polaris over times shows Polaris circles the northern celestial pole. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: If you need Polaris to be Crux your model is debunk.

« on: July 13, 2025, 04:03:34 AM »

 Everyone has the firmament dome rotating on the wrong axis.

Nope.

For the below in the northern hemisphere the earth or the sky has to rotate in a specific direction.  Either the RE on its axis.  Or the FE sky on the northern celestial pole.













Have any evidence there being a different celestial pole for the northern hemisphere and direction of rotation to even approach backing “Everyone has the firmament dome rotating on the wrong axis.”  It’s quite clear where the northern celestial pole is. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 13, 2025, 04:01:15 AM »

The only way this could possibly relate is if there was a government conspiracy to lie about Polaris moving. While I may think it doesn't because FE is fixed,

I have produced evidence Polaris circles the northern celestial pole.

Others have reproduced the same results.

It’s been documented and proven Polaris circles the northern celestial pole for decades.

Aligning to the northern celestial pole for mounts that rotate to match earth’s rotation for astrophotography use the Polaris offset to correctly align to the northern celestial pole, not to Polaris.

Bulma.  You need Polaris fixed and stationary to keep your delusion from unraveling. 


So.  Bulma.  That leaves either two things.


One..

You got brainwashed into believing that Polaris is static and fixed when it is not.  And you lie that you believe only things you can prove.

    -or-

Two..

You knew Polaris circles the northern celestial pole and are trying to con people because you ate a troll / pathological liar.

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 12, 2025, 04:12:21 PM »

You are arguing witha brick wall.


A dumb-as-bricks brick wal

And yet I get my own proof Polaris is circling the northern celestial pole, and all the sudden Bulma wants to change the subject that “government” isn’t lying about Polaris ? 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why doesn’t the sun have phases like the moon?

« on: July 12, 2025, 01:57:10 PM »

Because the moon is overhead and two-dimensional

Sigh.  Where there is no evidence of that concerning the distances you can see the moon.  Where the moon stays the same apparent size over those distances, and would have to greatly change for FE.


Where the actual shadowing on the moon phase to phase shows it’s a 3D object.

On the contrary,

No.  You make up stuff.

Items that have nothing to do with actual observations of the moon.  From watching and documenting it with a telescope. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 12, 2025, 01:37:58 PM »

In this day and age of most-recorded-history

PB  "i have the list."
PB  " I dont have the list".

Reporter  "But we also have photos of wveryone he hung out"

T  "No you dont   i hardly know the guy i dont know anyhing about him i never met him why are you so nasty"

Might take your own advice jackass.

And he eloquently explains how wjen you spam 5times you allow these morons 5different avenues to escape a direct question.

The actual opening post…

I'm pretty sure that the earth is a globe, but I want to understand Flat Earth a little more.
Heard that y'all think the government is hiding stuff from us.
My question is: Why would they do that? What's the incentive?

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Flat Earth General / Re: WHY would the government trick us?

« on: July 12, 2025, 07:55:54 AM »

We're getting nowhere. Just arguing in circles.

Funny.  When I can produce my own evidence that Polaris circles the northern celestial pole and Polaris isn’t fixed and stationary, the queen of derailing threads wants to go back on “topic”.   Where Polaris circling the northern celestial pole is part of the supposed official “cover up”. 

Bulma.  You are a jackass.  And a pathological liar. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airplane gyroscopic instruments proves FE made useless long ago.

« on: July 12, 2025, 04:31:53 AM »

uote]

What does perpendicular to ‘down’ mean?

As in why gravity gives meaning to down.  Like how stash pointed out a smart phones uses accelgrometers to reference the downward force of gravity to know “down”.

 Anyway. 

Pendulous Vanes | Pilot Tutorial
Share

Like what’s explained on this videos.

No, gyroscopes are independent of gravity; they work on centripetal forces. It is basic physics.

Are you referring to the gyroscope in the artificial horizon?  You get it’s not a plane gyroscope.  You understand it’s a system of mechanisms with a gyroscope?  Mechanisms used to correct errors inherent to gyroscopes?  Pretty smart creating a flight instrument that self corrects errors inherent to gyroscopes?

No, gyroscopes are independent of gravity; they work on centripetal forces. It is basic physics.

https://flatearth.ws/artificial-horizon

An artificial horizon, or attitude indicator, is a flight instrument that indicates the aircraft’s orientation relative to Earth’s horizon and gives an immediate indication of the smallest change of orientation. An artificial horizon utilizes a gyroscope to detect the change of orientation and pendulous vanes to continuously correct the orientation relative to the level.

Flat-Earthers claim that an artificial horizon should drift over time if the airplane is flying over the spherical Earth because the gyroscope will eventually drift and no longer points toward Earth’s center. In reality, an artificial horizon has a self-correcting mechanism, keeping the gyroscope upright if it is displaced for any reason, including by the aircraft’s motion following Earth’s curvature.

Where the artificial horizon in aircraft are designed to prevent drift from flying around a globe.  All a flat earther would have to do is charter a flight with a separate artificial horizon with the drift correcting mechanism disabled.  And just proof the drift mechanism is needed because the earth is spherical and just prove the evolution of why flight instruments evolved into the designs they have today. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Density doesnt make things go up or down, gravity does.

« on: July 12, 2025, 04:25:24 AM »

But your made up force

Then why can’t I push a car in neutral up an incline when I can push the same car around a garage all day long. 

What makes a ball thrown straight up slow down faster than what is accounted for by air air resistance, stop, change direction 180 degrees, then accelerate straight down.


How do make a mass accelerate without a force.

Why does a bullet fired with a level barrel and a bullet dropped from the same time hit the ground in the same amount of time. 

Turbs .  In your butchered explanation of butchering RE and mass is attracted to mass, what makes things return to your supposed origin without a force like gravity. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What about ships on the ocean?

« on: July 12, 2025, 04:18:22 AM »

.

It’s not curving down, it’s still appearing to rise up on a surface that still appears to be rising up,

When an object is far enough away with only enough curvature of 200 feet drop, it’s not going to hide the other 800 feet of a 1000 foot tower.

You know.  Something like this.

Part three.  Modern proof.

I came across this video.  I think it is compelling and reasonable proof showing no doubt the earth is curved.

Turning Torso (190m tall) - seen from 25km - 50km

The rate the building is blocked by the horizon is reasonable proof of earth’s curvature.

Part four, the classic.  Ships disappearing bottom up.

During the video of “Turning Torso (190m tall) - seen from 25km - 50km”, the individual pans the camera across a near ship.



Then a ship farther away.




If that isn’t conclusive concerning the ship over the horizon.  There is always my go to ship video.

Turbo.  If the earth is supposedly flat.  Why do things increasingly become physically blocked bottom up with distance where zooming can’t bring the blocked portion back into view. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: They've lied to the world about the stars

« on: July 12, 2025, 04:13:26 AM »

What is the most amazing thing about ‘space’,

Then why does Jupiter have its own moons? 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is FE just an artificial attempt at creating counter culture?

« on: July 12, 2025, 04:10:51 AM »

Says the one further derailing the thread.

I just want to be like the cool kids.

Jack.  Have you gone out and put your ass behind a camera or telescope to capture some actual data for RE?  Or you too busy sitting at your lacy tea table discussing like an old maid.  I like my lace accented with pink.  I’m guessing you’re more of a life draining black hole kind of person. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why doesn’t the sun have phases like the moon?

« on: July 12, 2025, 04:01:34 AM »

 explain how they can see the exact same face (albeit inverted)

Like duh, the moon is a god projection that is self illuminating that cycles in discharging energy. I forget what FE BS is used to explain lunar eclipses. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why doesn’t the sun have phases like the moon?

« on: July 11, 2025, 04:47:22 PM »

Typical displacement.

Bulma?  How is you butchering the RE evidence the moon is supposedly self illuminating when lunar eclipses disrupt the moon phase cycle.  Where you haven’t explained what causes actual phases of the moon.  You claiming energy discharge?  Where there should be a visible glow from the entire moon then a flash?  Which is nothing like an object having phases because how it’s seen in relationship to what illuminating it.