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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How does the midnight sun occur in antarctica?
« on: January 10, 2022, 03:08:50 AM »
If Antarctica is an ice wall around the globe, how is it illuminated 24/7 around the summer solstice?

Ice reflects light back onto the dome so it always looks like the sun is up
So why does it get dark in winter?

Look. I was asked about the summer daylight so I ad hocced the first thing that came out of my arse. No one ever said anything about the winter darkness. I'd have to make something else up about that. But right now I can't be fudged.
The question was not to ad hocc stuff. I wanted someone to explain to me how the FE model explains tgis observable phenomenum

Every flat earth explanation or answer is either ad hocced on the spot or came from someone who ad hocced it at some point. Because if actual research or study was ever done they would all come to the same conclusion and find the earth, for all intents and purposes, is a globe after all. Do you think this forum is serious?
Im expecting for the ad hocced stuff to make sense :/

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How does the midnight sun occur in antarctica?
« on: January 10, 2022, 01:02:16 AM »
If Antarctica is an ice wall around the globe, how is it illuminated 24/7 around the summer solstice?

Ice reflects light back onto the dome so it always looks like the sun is up
So why does it get dark in winter?

Look. I was asked about the summer daylight so I ad hocced the first thing that came out of my arse. No one ever said anything about the winter darkness. I'd have to make something else up about that. But right now I can't be fudged.
The question was not to ad hocc stuff. I wanted someone to explain to me how the FE model explains tgis observable phenomenum

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How does the midnight sun occur in antarctica?
« on: January 09, 2022, 09:59:10 AM »
If Antarctica is an ice wall around the globe, how is it illuminated 24/7 around the summer solstice?

Ice reflects light back onto the dome so it always looks like the sun is up
What? for the light to reflect off of the ice it would have to reach it. It cant reach it without passing through places where, according to the FE map, it should be nighttime

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Flat Earth Debate / How does the midnight sun occur in antarctica?
« on: January 09, 2022, 07:17:52 AM »
If Antarctica is an ice wall around the globe, how is it illuminated 24/7 around the summer solstice?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Cyclones prove the earth is a sphere.
« on: January 09, 2022, 07:05:16 AM »
It's because there is no plausible mechanism for why cyclones spin on opposite sides of the equator in a flat earth model, no reason why they wouldn't be able to form of the equator.
And you missed the point.
He is saying that it doesn't show Earth must be a sphere.
"Not flat" and "sphere" are 2 different things.
Ok, so what. Still an argument for why the FE canīt exist. Sure it might not confirm that the RE exists either but doesn't invalidate it

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How do we have a dome shaped atmosphere, how are the gases kept in place? It's certainly not gravity seeing as it would pull the gases evenly and create a sor of blanket high in the atmosphere (not to mention all the complications gravity would bring to the flar earth theory). Is it magic? Do the gases just want to exist in a dome shape? And if so, how come they don't behave like that anywhere else on earth? (with similar conditions obviously.

Also, wouldn't a dome atmosphere create a really big difference in pressure ssein as it woul d be "touching the eart in the corners? Or is its a sphere all around? And if so, why? Why would nature foema spherical atmosphere and not a planet? They are both under the same laws of physics.

You just answered your own questions.
how so?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Genuine interest about FE mentality
« on: February 25, 2021, 08:09:53 AM »
How and why do you doubt NASA, RE scientists and other scientific evidence prooving the earth round?
I have read various articles and the FAQ in this site and I still can't acept this notion. All theories seem to have flaws. Furthermore they aren't exactly theories, mora of a collection of responses to the objections of a flat earth. The idea is always, if you can't prove it's not flat, then it's flat.

Read about Wernher von Braun, a literal NAZI who directed NASA. And he was not the only NAZI on the team

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/nazi-scientists-space-program-2014-2?r=US&IR=T
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As World War Two drew to a close, the United States rushed to collect as many former Nazi scientists as possible through a secret mission called Operation Paperclip. As some had been branded war criminals at Nuremberg, the U.S. military whitewashed the backgrounds of many scientists in an attempt to justify hiring them.

That's one hell of an origin story!
1. Well even if tha story about the nazi were true, what does that mean? Nazis aren't know as compulsive liers. Although I hate nazism saying someone is a nazi doesn't mean they are lying

2. Also, I can say that for just about anything. A flat disc accelerating endlessly through space at more than the speed of light (physicallly impossible), that's one hell of a theory

NAZIs not known to be liars? What crack have you been smoking? You think their propaganda claims were all truth? Was their persecution of Jews based on truth and justice?

And a quote from Hitler: "If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."
Although the third reich ran some pretty aggressive propaganda the ideology itself is not associated with lying. The nazis lied to get to power, not because it was part of their "beliefs" (if you can even call nazism a belief)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How do meteores and comets work on the flat earth?
« on: February 25, 2021, 07:59:46 AM »
I mean where do they come from? From outer space? Then you have to ditch the "dome" model. Then you have to explain why you can see diferent stars from diferent latitudes. I all the research I have done, I have notfound a single cohesive explanation. All explanations leave out atleast one of the issues.

Why cant the atmoplane (the 'thin blue line') be the dome? It is our shield from outer space. It prevents many of the meteors from hitting us. Inside it, we have air to breathe. Why does a dome have to be some physical construct? Maybe when people first looked up in the sky they thought it was solid. But we know better now.


A word also used is firmament which means 'heaven or sky'
Wait how does the air stay in without a physical barrier for a container?
The common explanation I have seen flat earthers give is that the ice wall are so big they contain it by always accelerating. I find that just... so... ridiculous... That poses so much more questions about the night sky and the atmosphere's pressure gradient

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How can the earth be forever accelerating
« on: February 25, 2021, 07:52:46 AM »
The speed of light is 299,792,458 metres per second (in a vacuum)

When you drive a car (pretend in a vacuum) at 80km/h (22.22m/s) and you turn your headlights on, the light from your car isn't going to go 299,792,480 m/s. It will leave your car at the speed of light. Even if you were going 299,792,457 metres per second and turn the headlights on. From your reference, the light from your headlights still move away from you at the speed of light

Without pretending to talk about this as if I'm an expert, we'll just throw in some buzz words from every sci-fi trope like 'time dilation', 'quantum' and 'sub space' 8)

An infinitely accelerating flat disc would follow the same rules. Never exceeding the speed of light
This doesn't answer the question. This a way for light to travel in the accelerating earth.
I have seen a very good answer on how time dilation would allow us to accelerate forever.

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This line of thinking leads many to conclude the earth (if not the universe) is contained.

The idea that the air (atmosphere, if you insist) is naturally spherical is completely unscientific and inconsistent with all known scientific observation, demonstration, and study of gas.

Gas pressure cannot exist without containment, and the shape of the gas is ALWAYS subordinate to/defined by the container from which the pressure itself is derived - explicitly.

If you are convinced that the air must be "spherical", you may make that container spherical (or hemispherical, as one popularized conception depicts).  In the presumptive view it is magical gravity that "contains" this gas - but one can easily measure/demonstrate that the force of gravity is not up to the task here on the surface of the earth where it is presumed (never measured, as it is non-real and so not measurable) strongest.
Having a container would not create the pressure gradient seen at higher altitudes.
Plus having a container would make it impossible for extraterrestrial debris to fall to the earth a.k.a. meteorites

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Astronomy and star in a flat earth
« on: February 25, 2021, 07:44:03 AM »
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How would it be possible for people on diferent places of the eart to see different stars?

The reason for this is the same as the reason you can't see everest from your house (or the eifel tower, skyscraper etc.).  There is too much in the way and it effects the light on its way to you.

The distance you can see from any location is finite and appears to us as a "sphere of view" that surrounds us.  As you travel, some stars come into view, and others go out of view depending on your distance to them, and the matter you are viewing through.


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then where do meteors come from?

What meteors/comets are or where they come from is a mystery regardless of model.

I expect you are more asking about meteorites.  In that case it is still a mystery, but like the meteors/comets above - there are some speculations about.  Some conclude that meteorites are fiction, and that the bright lights in the sky do not correlate to terrestrial rocks found on the surface (even when they are of dissimilar/novel composition of terrestrial materials).  Others speculate that they may be pieces of the dome falling, the dome may be semipermeable / have "windows" in it that let the rain in (as the first christian biblical creation story talks of) or are perhaps related to military / flying craft activity. 

As I said, there are many speculations to peruse.
This explanation does not provide and answer to why you can see different stars at different times of the year. Also you guys don't have any explanation for meteors meteorites or comets. That is a pretty big flaw

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How can the earth be forever accelerating
« on: February 23, 2021, 06:19:17 AM »
First and foremost, I'd urge you to stop making new threads about whatever question pops into your head, and instead use the search function to see if a topic has been discussed extensively already.

Second, do you realize that not all FE models discussed at this site invoke Universal Acceleration?

Third, what makes you think something can't accelerate forever without exceeding c?
1.Sry didn't know there was a search feature.

2.Well, earth would have to reach the speed of light at somepoint seeing as it would be always accelerating. How can something accelerate and not reach a higher velocity.

3.How does gravity exist in the flat earth if not acceleration?

4.I now realize that this is not the correct way to ask what I wanted. I was more concerned about where does the energy come from? It would take a massive amount of energy to keep accelerating.

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Flat Earth Debate / How can the earth be forever accelerating
« on: February 23, 2021, 04:47:08 AM »
How can the earth be forever accelerating if we can't go past the speed of light?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How do meteores and comets work on the flat earth?
« on: February 23, 2021, 03:54:33 AM »
I mean where do they come from? From outer space? Then you have to ditch the "dome" model. Then you have to explain why you can see diferent stars from diferent latitudes. I all the research I have done, I have notfound a single cohesive explanation. All explanations leave out atleast one of the issues.

Why cant the atmoplane (the 'thin blue line') be the dome? It is our shield from outer space. It prevents many of the meteors from hitting us. Inside it, we have air to breathe. Why does a dome have to be some physical construct? Maybe when people first looked up in the sky they thought it was solid. But we know better now.

A word also used is firmament which means 'heaven or sky'
But where do they come from. Also if the dome isn't solid how does it have a dome shape? Do the gases magically fall into place? It can't be gravity because gravity would just pull the gases uniformely and make a blanket.
On a side note you commented on a previous post of mine I answered and you never answered back. Do you not have an answer or did you forget?

I guess it depends on the model of the flat earth too. Some claim an 'infinite earth', so why not a blanket in that case. If not 'infinite' than maybe they claim some weird physics or some undiscovered force is responsible.

I've made many posts tonight. So maybe I just haven't gotten around to whichever post you're talking about yet or maybe I saw it but was busy with other things at the time and when I got back to the forum it was gone from my 'New Replies'. I'll go look for it 8)
Undiscovered forces :o. What I get from this is that you guys have no explanation for the atmosphere (something that clearly exists and that we all can experience). I don't get how you can be faced with evidence after evidence and still refuse to see the truth. The FE doesnīt work. No way around it.
Thx for checking my prior post tho.

Once upon a time, magnetism or electricity were not known. It doesn't discount their existence.

Also, how much about physics and gravity do you really know? There may be a piece of this universe sized jigsaw puzzle you are missing that could rewrite everything you think you know. or not. Who can say?
Yes but these did not come as a means of justifyng a model. All the "unknowns" especially on quantum mechanics can be measured, influenced or have a direct consequence associated with them. We can not harness, measure nor see the force that would make up the atmosphere in action. You may say that the atmosphere itself is the proof but not only does that use the result as the justification (saying A causes B just because we can see B), but it also completely disregards the fact that fluids in the north pole would act massively differently from the ones in say Australia.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How do meteores and comets work on the flat earth?
« on: February 23, 2021, 03:45:58 AM »
I mean where do they come from? From outer space? Then you have to ditch the "dome" model. Then you have to explain why you can see diferent stars from diferent latitudes. I all the research I have done, I have notfound a single cohesive explanation. All explanations leave out atleast one of the issues.

Why cant the atmoplane (the 'thin blue line') be the dome? It is our shield from outer space. It prevents many of the meteors from hitting us. Inside it, we have air to breathe. Why does a dome have to be some physical construct? Maybe when people first looked up in the sky they thought it was solid. But we know better now.


A word also used is firmament which means 'heaven or sky'
But where do they come from. Also if the dome isn't solid how does it have a dome shape? Do the gases magically fall into place? It can't be gravity because gravity would just pull the gases uniformely and make a blanket.
On a side note you commented on a previous post of mine I answered and you never answered back. Do you not have an answer or did you forget?

I guess it depends on the model of the flat earth too. Some claim an 'infinite earth', so why not a blanket in that case. If not 'infinite' than maybe they claim some weird physics or some undiscovered force is responsible.

I've made many posts tonight. So maybe I just haven't gotten around to whichever post you're talking about yet or maybe I saw it but was busy with other things at the time and when I got back to the forum it was gone from my 'New Replies'. I'll go look for it 8)
Undiscovered forces :o. What I get from this is that you guys have no explanation for the atmosphere (something that clearly exists and that we all can experience). I don't get how you can be faced with evidence after evidence and still refuse to see the truth. The FE doesnīt work. No way around it.
Thx for checking my prior post tho.

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Dude, why didn't you pose this question in your other thread on the topic at hand?
Because I realized that it would be too much of a tangent. I'd rather have 2 separate threads for 2 diferent issues. You can relate both yes, but I think they are different enough to justify another thread

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Flat Earth General / Re: Genuine interest about FE mentality
« on: February 23, 2021, 02:35:18 AM »
@jackblack

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No it isn't. You have to have been living under a rock for quite some time to honestly think that.

Sadly it is more or less historical fact.  The reason humanity devoted itself to building rockets is clear, and it was not at all the idealistic or scientific endeavor you might imagine it was.  There are rumors that von braum DID in fact want to use rockets to visit the heavens, and that his inventions were corrupted to this end - but it is unthinkable that he would not be aware/considerate of what they would be used for.  In any case, the rocket is millenia old and is an invention of war.

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But none of that needs NASA and pretending Earth is round if it was actually flat.

Agreed.  I don't typically encounter the claim that NASA is doing that from flat earth researchers, but from globe earth proponents who misunderstand/presume.  I think the position forwarded by the sister site wiki is much more conceivable - namely that "space travel / exploration" are a media campaign to increase public support and funding for things that, after the wacky "ND" 60's and its still looming doomsday clock, the public didn't want to fund anymore.  They aren't pretending the earth is round; they earnestly believe it is - just like most everyone else who was taught that as an inerrant/inarguable fact from childhood.

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You could easily take the scientists and put them on top-secret projects to develop rockets.

Also agreed, though it would be best to "double dip" as it were - don't you think?  As long as we are building rockets for "peaceful exploration", then we are happy to give the military contractors more money to build weapons (gravy on top of the criminal amounts diverted/stolen for black projects).
Well this response has NOTHING to do with the flat earth. I have no idea why you brought up the intentions of the space program as it has clearly nothing to do with the topic

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Flat Earth General / Re: Genuine interest about FE mentality
« on: February 23, 2021, 02:32:18 AM »
@unconvinced
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If it’s all fake, what did  the Americans and Soviets need German rocket scientists for?
The answer is obvious and very sad.  I know britain remembers.
Not really.
If it is all fake you don't need to rockets to be anywhere near as good.
Instead you just fake it as American Superioritytm.

The reason they are "needed" is to have the best people working on it.

And the 'best' people were not Americans. They were 'NAZIs' Must be a big blow to the Yankee ego. No wonder they tried to hide that truth nugget. Just how dumb are Americans in reality. Their H-1B Visa program is literally the only thing that keeps America on top. By having other countries go through the expense of educating and training their people only for America to swoop in and reap the rewards with promise of citizenship. If America was left entirely on it's own and you only had born and bred Americans working on projects there, they would be lagging far behind in many scientific fields. eg Elon Musk is South African and even he's showing the Yanks up.
None of that proves that the earth is flat or that the space programs are a lie. It just proves that the American government is full of scumbags

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How do we have a dome shaped atmosphere, how are the gases kept in place? It's certainly not gravity seeing as it would pull the gases evenly and create a sor of blanket high in the atmosphere (not to mention all the complications gravity would bring to the flar earth theory). Is it magic? Do the gases just want to exist in a dome shape? And if so, how come they don't behave like that anywhere else on earth? (with similar conditions obviously.

Also, wouldn't a dome atmosphere create a really big difference in pressure ssein as it woul d be "touching the eart in the corners? Or is its a sphere all around? And if so, why? Why would nature foema spherical atmosphere and not a planet? They are both under the same laws of physics.

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Flat Earth Debate / Astronomy and star in a flat earth
« on: February 23, 2021, 02:07:39 AM »
How would it be possible for people on diferent places of the eart to see different stars? I'm not talking abou a diferent angle or prespective. I'm talking completely new stars. Also if you are going to tell me that the stars are attached to the dome, then where do meteors come from?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lunar Eclipses?
« on: February 23, 2021, 02:03:49 AM »
This one is one of my favorites.  They call it the Shadow Object...

https://wiki.tfes.org/Lunar_Eclipse_due_to_Shadow_Object
Also, I have found no explanation on how this object was formed, why it isn't visible during the day, and if manmade, why.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How do meteores and comets work on the flat earth?
« on: February 23, 2021, 02:02:33 AM »
I mean where do they come from? From outer space? Then you have to ditch the "dome" model. Then you have to explain why you can see diferent stars from diferent latitudes. I all the research I have done, I have notfound a single cohesive explanation. All explanations leave out atleast one of the issues.

Why cant the atmoplane (the 'thin blue line') be the dome? It is our shield from outer space. It prevents many of the meteors from hitting us. Inside it, we have air to breathe. Why does a dome have to be some physical construct? Maybe when people first looked up in the sky they thought it was solid. But we know better now.


A word also used is firmament which means 'heaven or sky'
But where do they come from. Also if the dome isn't solid how does it have a dome shape? Do the gases magically fall into place? It can't be gravity because gravity would just pull the gases uniformely and make a blanket.
On a side note you commented on a previous post of mine I answered and you never answered back. Do you not have an answer or did you forget?

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Flat Earth Debate / How do meteores and comets work on the flat earth?
« on: February 23, 2021, 01:04:10 AM »
I mean where do they come from? From outer space? Then you have to ditch the "dome" model. Then you have to explain why you can see diferent stars from diferent latitudes. I all the research I have done, I have notfound a single cohesive explanation. All explanations leave out atleast one of the issues.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Genuine interest about FE mentality
« on: February 23, 2021, 12:54:27 AM »
How and why do you doubt NASA, RE scientists and other scientific evidence prooving the earth round?
I have read various articles and the FAQ in this site and I still can't acept this notion. All theories seem to have flaws. Furthermore they aren't exactly theories, mora of a collection of responses to the objections of a flat earth. The idea is always, if you can't prove it's not flat, then it's flat.

Read about Wernher von Braun, a literal NAZI who directed NASA. And he was not the only NAZI on the team

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/nazi-scientists-space-program-2014-2?r=US&IR=T
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As World War Two drew to a close, the United States rushed to collect as many former Nazi scientists as possible through a secret mission called Operation Paperclip. As some had been branded war criminals at Nuremberg, the U.S. military whitewashed the backgrounds of many scientists in an attempt to justify hiring them.

That's one hell of an origin story!
1. Well even if tha story about the nazi were true, what does that mean? Nazis aren't know as compulsive liers. Although I hate nazism saying someone is a nazi doesn't mean they are lying

2. Also, I can say that for just about anything. A flat disc accelerating endlessly through space at more than the speed of light (physicallly impossible), that's one hell of a theory

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Flat Earth General / Genuine interest about FE mentality
« on: February 22, 2021, 09:32:11 AM »
How and why do you doubt NASA, RE scientists and other scientific evidence prooving the earth round?
I have read various articles and the FAQ in this site and I still can't acept this notion. All theories seem to have flaws. Furthermore they aren't exactly theories, mora of a collection of responses to the objections of a flat earth. The idea is always, if you can't prove it's not flat, then it's flat.

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Haumea is also pretty flat.


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It is a dwarf planet, they sometimes have diferent shapes because thay are smaller and therefore less affected by gravity
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I didn't say that everything was flat, only regular planets
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That dwarf is clearly not as flat as the earth proposed in the FE theory
Edit: Isn't this information coming from an institution such as NASA that is time and time again descredited by the FE supporters?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: February 22, 2021, 07:47:37 AM »
No.  Why/how are you able to discern that a light you see at night is on a tower tilted very very very slightly away from you?  Why would you fix your gaze towards the sky for something you expect to be on or just over the horizon.  What ship and lighthouse in history is that large when compared to the Earth?  Why must people constantly misinterpret how large the Earth is when compared to a human, ship, or other man-made structure?  So no your responses do not make sense, and are the opposite of logical.

These photos are exagerated so as to fit the graph into the image, the earth has an exagerated corvature in the photo so as to compensate for the fact the the lighthouse and boat would not be distant enough if the picture was  made to scale.

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Flat Earth Debate / Why is earth the only flat planet in the solar system
« on: February 22, 2021, 07:44:55 AM »
One thing I want to be clear about. I will try as hard as I can to not use assumptions and knowlegde obtained only through NASA or other scientific institution, I hope anyone replying to this theard does the same.
I have read the FAQ and would like to refute many of the notions presented. The first one is that the other planets are round (spherical) because earth's unique shape allows for these exceptions to occur.

First up this conflicts with the notion that the flat earth theory is empirical in nature.

Second, It is never explained how the flat earth would allow for these exceptions.

On a related note, the FAQ also mentions that some believe the other planets bo be flat as well. They can actually be observed to be round AND spinning. If you have a powerfull enough telescope at your disposal, you can see dark spots and streaks on the surface of mars. By documenting the location of the planet as well as the mark on it's surface, you can realize that these change over time, This indicates that not only 1- it spins around the earth and 2 the marks can only change if the object is circular and rotating around itself, showing and hidding different sides at different times.

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