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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A glass dome in the sky is a dumb idea and most people should and do know better

« on: July 18, 2014, 09:03:22 AM »

That's why wherever the sun is, the sky is melting.  The hydrogen particles create their own heat with low pressure, as seen in the video when it boils.  It will return to a solid when it reaches it's lowest possible pressure up there.  Actually, here's the definition of boiling, just for clarification:
Boiling is the rapid vaporization of a liquid, which occurs when a liquid is heated to its boiling point, the temperature at which the vapor pressure of the liquid is equal to the pressure exerted on the liquid by the surrounding environmental pressure.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A glass dome in the sky is a dumb idea and most people should and do know better

« on: July 18, 2014, 07:48:04 AM »

how does ice remain solid in space? as at that temperature, it would be a liquid, unless the sun was shining on it, and it would be a gas?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How Far Can You See?

« on: July 11, 2014, 02:45:14 PM »

Wow, it's pretty clear in the post... I admitted it doesn't prove the Earth is flat.  No need for calculations.
*It also doesn't prove the Earth is curved.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How Far Can You See?

« on: July 11, 2014, 11:01:21 AM »

Then something on that page must be wrong. What's wrong with it, and from how far can you see a 15,000 foot peak? Just provide the proper method to work it out.

Why don't you take us through the calculations that have led you to this conclusion?

Please re-read post #22

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How Far Can You See?

« on: July 11, 2014, 07:33:23 AM »

I can attest to that.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How Far Can You See?

« on: July 11, 2014, 07:04:23 AM »

And trig. Which means that you can't do it unfortunately.

You're such a smart guy, Rot.  Smart ASS.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How Far Can You See?

« on: July 11, 2014, 07:02:41 AM »

There has been threads about this. You need the sun for shadow lengths, yard sticks and measurements from locations a mile apart at the same time.

Oh the shadows....uh huh.  And you're positive there is nothing else that can explain the difference in shadow lengths?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Why Use Technology that Relies on the Earth being Round?

« on: July 11, 2014, 06:58:09 AM »

Every map is flat.  Checkmate. 

Good point.  Everyone knows how much fun it is to fold a map.  Why bother carrying those things around if they can carry little balls around instead?

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Flat Earth Debate / 8 inches?

« on: July 11, 2014, 06:52:32 AM »

I don't even know where they get this 8 inches anyway.  Has anyone actually measured it?  All I've seen is the math equation...the tangent of a circle.  That doesn't prove anything, except maybe the circumference...how much the Earth curves at the ice wall.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How Far Can You See?

« on: July 11, 2014, 06:39:12 AM »

Alright, look.  The mountain loses about 3-4,000 feet with that amount of distance so it can still be visible even if the Earth curved  downward 8 inches per mile.  So, it doesn't prove in favor or against a flat earth.  However, it does prove that the atmosphere makes a HUGE difference in visibility.  So, just because you cannot see an object, doesn't mean it's not there.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How Far Can You See?

« on: July 11, 2014, 06:19:14 AM »

Rot and Shmeg,
We KNOW how it works in your model.  No it's not possible on a round Earth because at that distance it really would be below the horizon.  You cannot have it both ways.

Both ways? This is the way we've always said it works.

smh No Rotty, what I mean is, even though the caps of the mountains are 15,000 feet high, in your model, that is still not high enough to be seen 400 miles away due to curvature. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How Far Can You See?

« on: July 10, 2014, 07:43:19 PM »

Rot and Shmeg,
We KNOW how it works in your model.  No it's not possible on a round Earth because at that distance it really would be below the horizon.  You cannot have it both ways.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How Far Can You See?

« on: July 10, 2014, 04:44:27 PM »

It's only possible if the Earth is flat or slightly concave, not a globe.

Thank you Scepti.  YOU DA MAN! 

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Flat Earth Debate / How Far Can You See?

« on: July 10, 2014, 07:37:17 AM »

This guy claims to have seen snow capped mountains 466 miles away.

"What's the record for visibility without help from the silhouetting effect? I think that might belong to the report of the expedition led by Korzenewsky (1923), who reported seeing snow-capped peaks of a mountain range 750 km away. Conditions were perfect: the lower atmosphere was in shadow at sunset; the peaks were quite high (4650 meters, or over 15,000 feet); they were covered with white snow, increasing their visibility; and there must also have been considerable looming to bring these distant features above the observers' horizon. As the observation was made on June 1, near the peak of superior-mirage season, the looming is not improbable, though the amount required is hard to believe. The observers themselves were in the deserts of Turkestan [now southeastern Kazakhstan] at a height of nearly a kilometer, where the dryness of the air favored extreme clarity, and looking across a broad, sandy depression. And, of course, much of the air path was in thinner air well above ground level, because of the mountains' height."  http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/explain/atmos_refr/horizon.html

How is that possible on a curved earth?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Plural suns

« on: July 04, 2014, 08:52:13 PM »

No, the sun is just visible at different levels in the sky, depending on your location.  Why is that so hard to comprehend?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Thinking time

« on: June 22, 2014, 06:01:55 PM »

September is the Equinox.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Thinking time

« on: June 22, 2014, 05:43:29 PM »

What are you talking about guv?  The sun is not up all day during the Equinox here in the U.S., let alone the NP.
EDIT
Oh wait, you don't mean a 24 hour day, do you?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What do TFES think of this video?

« on: June 22, 2014, 12:11:44 PM »

http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=58309.0#.U6cqTPldWuI

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Atmospheric Lensing

« on: June 22, 2014, 10:47:51 AM »

Typical male....exaggerating his size.  LOL

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: A glass dome in the sky? Really?

« on: June 22, 2014, 10:29:05 AM »

I am in love with EarthIsASpaceship.  Prove me wrong.

What?!  How did I miss this? I'm in love with you too Jroa. 

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Atmospheric Lensing

« on: June 22, 2014, 09:17:58 AM »

Haha!  According to you Geoff, we are looking down when we see the horizon.  LAUGHABLE!

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Atmospheric Lensing

« on: June 22, 2014, 08:44:45 AM »

Can you explain why the sun doesn't reach the horizon in the FE model.

I don't know why you guys keep bringing this up.  The horizon is where the sky meets the Earth's landscape.  It's only perspective.  Objects in the sky don't REALLY get as low as the Earth.  The landscape in front of the sun BLOCKS it.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Atmospheric Lensing

« on: June 21, 2014, 08:00:15 PM »

It does get to the horizon because we see it get there.  The horizon is simply sky meeting Earth...a perception.  Maybe the sun is a hole in the glass sky, letting light in. 

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Atmospheric Lensing

« on: June 21, 2014, 07:27:16 PM »

You see light during the day too.  The point is, the sun looks bigger on the horizon because of the atmosphere magnifying it.  Similar to how something in water looks bigger.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Atmospheric Lensing

« on: June 21, 2014, 03:02:17 PM »

No, read it again.  He specifically mentioned SIZE.  It does matter you know.   

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Atmospheric Lensing

« on: June 21, 2014, 12:57:18 PM »

What is there to explain?  Can you be more specific?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Atmospheric Lensing

« on: June 21, 2014, 11:53:29 AM »

No Mike, it's simple magnification:
http://wiki.tfes.org/Magnification_of_the_Sun_at_Sunset

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: FE'rs, Refraction Is Not Your Friend

« on: June 21, 2014, 11:50:44 AM »

Sometimes this is what is meant instead...a simple magnification effect:
http://wiki.tfes.org/Magnification_of_the_Sun_at_Sunset

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: FE'rs, Refraction Is Not Your Friend

« on: June 21, 2014, 11:30:09 AM »

Another good explanation of refraction:
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Not to be confused with atmospheric DIFFRACTION:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_diffraction

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is this a wind farm or a hydroelectric plant!?!?!

« on: June 20, 2014, 07:45:47 PM »

In your FE model, whatever flat earth model. If the sun is 3000 miles above earth at noon then it is also 3000 miles above earth at sunset. Same for 62 miles. If it's 62 miles above earth at noon then it is the same distance above earth at sunset.

So at sunset, the sun has moved farther away, but it is still 3000 (or 62) miles above earth.

So if a mirage is happening to an object that we perceive to be at the horizon and not above it, then that object isn't higher than the horizon, but even farther below than it looks.

Ok, after giving this more thought....no.  An object is never farther below the horizon than it looks.  The sky is part of the horizon and it is ALWAYS above the Earth/landscape.  The sun is a mirage on the horizon but it is NOT farther below than it looks.  It cannot go any farther down.  It can only go farther AWAY.