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Flat Earth General / Re: The Parallels
« on: November 06, 2020, 01:06:01 PM »
Trump is a round earther.

So you keep saying while avoiding the point which is exactly like how Trump behaves. The parallels are beyond doubt as you have clearly demonstrated by your posts. 

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Parallels
« on: November 06, 2020, 07:37:27 AM »
Face it, Timmy. Trump is an angry globularist and your attempt to smear flat earthers by associating them with him is silly.

Facts are facts. Why don't you drop the angry globularist tag? Though it's funny as it's the very ploy Trump uses when confronted by a reporter or person he doesn't like. Go watch one of the many clips on the web where he ignores the question and goes for the messenger, just like you do. If you dont agree why not present some evidence rather than using that tiered old...angry tag! It's wearing a bit thin don't you think?

It's a fact that Trump makes up alternate facts.
It's a fact that flat earthers make up alternate facts

Its a fact that Trump rejects science
It's a fact that flat earthers reject science

It's a fact that Trump believes in a wide range of conspiracies
It's a fact that flat earthers believe in a range of conspiracies

Which one of these facts do you object to?
It's as clear as the nose on your fact that Trump think and flat earth think are identical.

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Dr. Lanka is correct.

Here is what the court said:

"The court had no doubt about the existence of the measles virus".

Unfortunately, there is no measles virus, the infection is caused by mycobacterium.

So, in 2017, Dr. Lanka won the lawsuit.

By January of 2017, Lanka had won a court case in the German Federal Supreme Court regarding the measles ďvirusĒ. Lanka had offered Ä100,000 for scientific proof for the existence of the alleged measles virus. A plaintiff then sued Lanka for what he felt was proof of such a virus. But five experts who looked at the case found that none of the publications introduced into trial contained scientific proof for the existence of the measles virus. So Lanka won the case.

The judges at the German Federal Supreme Court (BGH) confirmed in a recent ruling that the measles virus does not exist. To the experts involved in that case, there seemed not to be a single scientific study in the world which so far proved the existence of such a measles virus. This raised the question of what was actually injected into millions of German citizens over the past decades. According to the judgment by the Supreme Court and its expert panel, it may not have been a vaccine against measles.

Mihalovic D. Biologist Proves Measles Isnít A Virus, Wins Supreme Court Case Against Doctor. January 27, 2017.

https://bafremauxsoormally.blogspot.com/2017/02/biologist-dr-stephan-lanka-proves.html?m=0


Now, take a look at the date of the LATimes article: 2015.


This is how precarious and catastrophic your research is.

What else could we expect from you?


And when questioned regarding the electron pictograph of H1N1 that the CDC came up with on their website, German virologist Lanka attested to the fact that the H1N1 picture was bogus. He said that he had ďwritten the CDC many times as to who made the H1N1 photos and whether they were scientifically documented as to chemical characteristics and other properties.Ē There was never any reply. He concluded ďIf CDC refuses to cite the source of the photos, they are fake. ... In conclusion, without the isolation of the H1N1, there is no H1N1 infecting virus.Ē


Measels not a virus!
Covid not a virus!
https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/images.htm

Gravitons exist!

Your thinking is just like Trump...pump out blatant lies and alternative facts irrespective of the truth!
Stll delusional I see! You and Canute would have made a fine double act.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Parallels
« on: November 06, 2020, 02:36:22 AM »
He created the Space Force!

That does appear to be true and it has been designated part of the USAF in Dec 2019, almost a year ago.

"What will the Space Force actually do?
It is not intended to put troops into orbit, but will protect US assets - such as the hundreds of satellites used for communication and surveillance.
It comes as US military chiefs see China and Russia making advancements in the military final frontier.
Vice-President Mike Pence previously said the two nations had airborne lasers and anti-satellite missiles that the US needed to counter.
"The space environment has fundamentally changed in the last generation," he said. "What was once peaceful and uncontested is now crowded and adversarial."

What it says, is while Trump is clearly deranged given all his recent crazy conspiracy-laden tweets, even mad as a hatter Trump is not quite that far gone to believe in the flat earth.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Parallels
« on: November 06, 2020, 12:40:50 AM »
Most of Trump's fans are round earthers.

You are missing the point. Iím referring to Trump himself and the way he thinks and operates in a very similar way to that of a flat earther.

Trump is a round earther.
Thatís pretty irrelevant. What the issue is is how certain people can manipulate and distort the truth to suit what they want to believe. Look at the title of the thread.... Parallels!

Trump has distorted and lied about the election process to suit his own agenda lying about victories that never happened. Lying about the counting procedures in various states, lying about the officials, all to suit his own agenda, in other words he cares little about the truth preferring his own distorted world view regardless of the truth and the facts. His way of thinking is dangerous to democracy and the planet given the USA has rejected the existence of climate change despite all the evidence. For someone like Trump evidence is irrelevant, itís the belief that matters.

Flat earthers do the very same. They ignore the facts, spinning groundless stories of deceit and conspiracy to suit their own agenda. Painting NASA as some demonic organisation, in the very same way QAnon paint democrats as baby eaters and child rapists. Denying spaceflight, denying numerous laws of physics all because it conflicts with their own world view. Like Trump flat earthers donít really care about evidence or facts, as all they care about is their belief that the world is flat. The ISS and other clearly visible  satellites are ignored because truth is irrelevant when it comes to belief.....just like Trump!

Thatís why there are clear parallels between Trump thought and flat earth thought and itís self evidential just how dangerous the use of alternative facts can be. The republicans now have a QAnon supporter, Marjorie Taylor Greene, as a future congresswoman. She like Trump and flat earthers prefer alternative facts to reality. This is why thinking that promotes rejection of education, facts and science is dangerous.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: November 05, 2020, 03:18:16 PM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/watch-ballot-count-watcher-describes-least-130000-ballots-biden-arriving-three-vehicles-detroit-dead-night/

What else would you expect to read on a far right website known for its falsehoods , lies and hoaxes. I suppose itís right up your alley!

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Parallels
« on: November 05, 2020, 03:08:36 PM »
Most of Trump's fans are round earthers.

You are missing the point. Iím referring to Trump himself and the way he thinks and operates in a very similar way to that of a flat earther.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Parallels
« on: November 05, 2020, 03:04:44 PM »
Most of Trump's fans are round earthers.

Do you have data to back that up?

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Parallels
« on: November 05, 2020, 01:03:43 PM »
Has anyone noticed how the methods, tactics and ways of thinking employed by Trump and other conspiracy driven groups are remarkably similar to those used by flat earth believers:
Disregard of scientific data
Propensity to make up alternative facts
Abandonment of the truth if it conflicts with a particular  agenda
Distortion of facts to suit beliefs
Putting forward wild unsupported claims
Squashing any dissenting voices
Derail any discussion that may reveal the actual truth.

People might find flat earth belief harmless, but itís  mind set and methods are a thin edge of a wedge than can lead to potentially dangerous destabilising situations. The growth of groups like QAnon where fantastical core beliefs are the norm, such as alleging that a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles is running a global child sex-trafficking ring and plotting against US President Donald Trump. This is not too different from the belief that all space travel is a hoax. Once people are prone to believing one conspiracy they are well primed to believe in any old conspiracy.

The bottom line is beliefs that reject science and the truth and use an anti science agenda  along with alternative facts moves society to a position that makes it ripe for exploitation by despotic leaders such as Trump.

This is why we need to defend science and the truth, failure to do so will see the world slip into a despotic situation where the truth is determined by the ruling despot.

Why should it be surprising that one group of conspiracy theorists are similar to another group of conspiracy theorists?

It crosses all political and religious barriers too.  Just look at the anti-vax movement.  Plenty of liberal crystal worshiping twig and berry eating crazies jumped on that bandwagon along with the 'guvment bad and putting chips in our brains' conservatives.

Trump is known for pushing conspiracy theories, I suspect he could be converted to Flat Earth if someone in his inner circle pushed it.  Or if Fox News said it.

The actual conspiracy theory doesn't really matter, people don't become conspiracy theorists because they read about one, they already are, and just latch onto whatever catches their fancy.  The actual theories are symptoms, not causes.

Possibly I didnt explain myself well enough, its not that those prone to believing the unbeliveable will lap up any conspiracy, it to do with legitamising of making up ones own 'truth'. Thats what TRUMP does on a daily basis and its what you can read in many of the flat earth posts on this site, people just making stuff up and peddilng as some alternative truth. Look at the way the flat earthers like to present thier alleged 'models, when in reality there is no such thing. Its the life blood of any movement like the Flat Earth and while its pretty harmless when confined to such a fringe belief, but when released on the greater population and strongly sold by someone like Trump it becomes very dangerous indeed. His whole administration has been built on corruption and lies with almost 50% of the American Population appearing to have swallowed it. I dont know about you but for me that a cause of great concern especially as the world is facing so many grave challanges. As Lennon once said "Give Me Some Truth".
The question is does flat earth belief and the thinking it engenders spell problems for society at large by legitamising the creation of alternative facts not underpinned by any evidence?

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Flat Earth General / The Parallels
« on: November 05, 2020, 01:08:40 AM »
Has anyone noticed how the methods, tactics and ways of thinking employed by Trump and other conspiracy driven groups are remarkably similar to those used by flat earth believers:
Disregard of scientific data
Propensity to make up alternative facts
Abandonment of the truth if it conflicts with a particular  agenda
Distortion of facts to suit beliefs
Putting forward wild unsupported claims
Squashing any dissenting voices
Derail any discussion that may reveal the actual truth.

People might find flat earth belief harmless, but itís  mind set and methods are a thin edge of a wedge than can lead to potentially dangerous destabilising situations. The growth of groups like QAnon where fantastical core beliefs are the norm, such as alleging that a cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles is running a global child sex-trafficking ring and plotting against US President Donald Trump. This is not too different from the belief that all space travel is a hoax. Once people are prone to believing one conspiracy they are well primed to believe in any old conspiracy.

The bottom line is beliefs that reject science and the truth and use an anti science agenda  along with alternative facts moves society to a position that makes it ripe for exploitation by despotic leaders such as Trump.

This is why we need to defend science and the truth, failure to do so will see the world slip into a despotic situation where the truth is determined by the ruling despot.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Talk of gravitational lensing
« on: November 05, 2020, 12:24:22 AM »
Gravitational lensing
Whos heard of it.

It's the bending of starlight around closer massive stars confusing the actual postition of stars in the sky

In terms of flat earth, how useful could this be in explanining the flat earth sunsets and other horizon phenomenon?.

This really seems like the ultimate easy way to explain every problem with common evidence that supports globlism. And yet Ive only heard mention of it once on this site. something like:

Gravity pulls light particles flying over great distances - accelerates them at the gravitational constan downwards - to the ground effectivley bending the whole picture over long hauls, and i interpret this to cause sunsets and the like.

Can anyone attest to my idea that "GL" invented by Einstein -  thats grav. Lensing, not general levitivity - is in fact somethin of a kept secret in the mainstream literature? I understand Einstein was a bit of a anti flat earth soldier... but maybe he wasn't and gave us the key under the radar...

Can anyone comment on this idea being used in terms of flat earth in the past?

Like most concepts concerned with astronomy flat earth believers can have little, or more accurately  nothing, to contribute to any discussion on gravitational lensing. I donít understand why flat earthers imagine they can have an opinion on this or any other topic from astronomy that requires highly specialised equipment to study it. Letís be clear all flat earthers have at their disposal to study any astronomical topic is their own eyes or at best a simple optical telescope. All they can do is hang off the coat tails of mainstream astronomy, and at best make stuff up. Trying  to tie gravitational lensing or any other astronomical phenomena into flat earth belief is an excersice in both ignorance and futility.

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Pro Tip:   ignore jack.          ::)
Another classic example of deliberately ignoring the message and throwing dirt and the messenger! I thought this section of the forum was for debate and not slagging off other members who have taken the time to construct a coherent point which is more than can be said of your effort.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Distance to Venus, the sun, and beyond to STICKS!
« on: November 03, 2020, 11:57:36 AM »
How is it that non-evidential is not self-referential? How is non-evidential not circular?
As I have said before, the nature of the non-evidential system is one I am leaving to another thread, that I have linked.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=86956.0
This topic is exclusively being used to change the subject and avoid any development of the topic of the nature of the basis of evidence. The short version is that the problem with the evidential system is unique to how the evidential system handles justification. Beyond that, if it is a discussion you want to have then please read and reply to the linked thread. I will only be discussing the nature of evidence here.

Metaphysical notions aside, the fundamental problem for you and every flat earther is that none of you have any way of really studying the cosmos other than what you can see with your own eyes or through a simple optical telescope, which puts you on par with someone from the 17th century. Given that our knowledge of the cosmos has come about through utilising the whole of the electromagnetic spectrum, not just visible light, it puts you and your flat earth fellows at some disadvantage. In reality you and your fellow flat earthers in all truth have little to say on the matter thatís of any consequence. Could this be the real reason why you seek refuge in the nebulous and redundant world of the metaphysical as you have no means to engage with reality?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: November 03, 2020, 01:08:10 AM »
Also, i believe that a lot of scientific proof relies upon unseen "constants" that aren't immediately obviously involved in the scenario, so the fact that they say "in this scenario we use this formula" or certain rules apply - i don't think i am willing to take their word for it when other important things  are overlooked in the mainstream litterature.

Now that we live in an age of fake news and alternative facts could you provide an actual example that we could discuss?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Accepting what we are told
« on: November 03, 2020, 01:07:17 AM »
Timmy is Solarwind's alt, change my mind.

That you pumping out more fake news?

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Why is it flat earthers never address reality? Itís a well known inescapable fact that southern skyís are very different from northern skyís. Examine any sky chart for either hemisphere. Likewise the moon when viewed from the Southern Hemisphere is upside down with respect to whatís seen in the Northern Hemisphere, all consistent with a spherical world. Flat earthers have no rational answer to this, Hollywood facts aside.

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I figure the ancients said the sky was spherical, so over head of you is the top...

The ancients knew didilli squat about the cosmos. All they had to study the sky was their eyes. What they knew about the cosmos would hardly fill a side of A4, plus they just made a bunch of stuff up in an effort to explain things in the terms of their limited understanding of the world.
I'll just mention that i doubt they didn't have magnifying glasses far befor the mainstream date. Haven't you seem robin hood with Morgan Freeman he had a crystal ball telescope? That tidbit of info was a gift from robin hood  to poor mental globalists from the coffers of historical hoarding. Dont ya think?
Ah that explains it then, you get all your information from Hollywood!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Accepting what we are told
« on: November 01, 2020, 03:14:06 PM »
When did I ever suggest such a thing?

This is exactly what I mean. People show up here and just start lashing out at other members over assumptions, facts be damned. Tim was actually told point blank that I'm RE, by both myself and Rab, but continues to ignore it. I'm not gong to fault you for not knowing, but I will fault you for making a baseless assumption about me and then trying to hold me accountable for something that I haven't ever subscribed to.

By being a moderator what exactly are you trying to moderate what with you not being a flat earther? It strikes me there is no debate possible as there are no flat earthers who appear to be willing to debate. All that happens is someone like Solarwind puts forward a pretty valid and sensible point which you or the other moderators object to, which hardly constitutes a debate. Itís a commonly accepted flat earth belief that the sun is 32 miles in diameter as put forward by the flat earth darling  Rowbotham. If itís not 32 miles then what do flat earth believers believe it to be?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Accepting what we are told
« on: November 01, 2020, 11:34:01 AM »
Why does being a mod mean I should have to defend something that has been openly discussed as being outdated?

Being a mod means I should move your post to AR and probably warn you for it, since it's mostly a rant. You should consider not doing that. Mods are janitors, not puppets that dance for your amusement.

Hardly a rant. But just as I predicted you savage the messenger and ignore the message. This is the problem with the forum and you fail to see it. Anything you canít respond to is classed as a rant. Any post you donít like is moved to the vaults. How about for once you deal with the topic? Go and read youíre earlier posts, not once do you engage with the very valid point thatís being made. Why do you bother? What is it you wish to achieve? If you sincerely belive in the flat earth then share you views on the topic. You say the Wiki is outdated, so how far do you think the sun is from the earth? People may be interested in hearing your views.

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I figure the ancients said the sky was spherical, so over head of you is the top...

The ancients knew didilli squat about the cosmos. All they had to study the sky was their eyes. What they knew about the cosmos would hardly fill a side of A4, plus they just made a bunch of stuff up in an effort to explain things in the terms of their limited understanding of the world.

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There seem to be various schools of thought about how the sky works in FE models.  Some seem to favour a dome, the base of which is the flat surface of the Earth. 

Equatorial mounts for telescopes work by being aligned with the Earths polar axis.  So in the north we align the polar axis of the mount so it points to the NCP (North Celestial Pole) while south of the equator we align them, not surprisingly with the SCP.  Both are fixed points on the sky around which all the stars rotate.  Anti-clockwise in the north, clockwise in the south. This works well with what astronomers call the celestial sphere.  Not celestial dome.  Celestial sphere.  There is no physical sphere of course.  It is just a convenient way of visualising the sky where the stars are all very distant.  All stars appear as points from Earth so talking in terms of a diameter has no meaning. The Earth represents the centre point of this 'sphere' and so from our vantage point we can look outwards in any direction we please. However from the NP you can never see any part of the southern sky and from the SP you can never see any part of the northern sky.  From the equator you can see all of the sky through the course of one year.

Both amateur and professional astronomers use equatorial mounts perfectly well all over the world. If the Earth is flat though, how can equatorial mounts work in the southern hemisphere?  Indeed how can they work in the north as well?  Other than at the North Pole?

I think you are wasting your time expecting a rational response from someone from the flat earth camp.  Astronomy and in particular Astro photography has become extremely popular, with some camera manufacturers even building in features specifically for that genre, the Pentax being one brand in particular.
http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/explore/astro/

With possibly millions of people engaged in star gazing activities there has never been a single case of someone taking an image that turns conventional wisdom on its head and presents evidence to back flat earth belief......Iím excluding the crazy people taking pictures of the stars hand held with the Nikon P 1000.....for obvious reasons!

While real world activity, as in the case of astronomy, can time and time present examples of how things really are which are in direct opposition to what flat earthers believe, flat earthers are unable to present a rational argument to the contrary as none exists. This is why they ignore facts and situations  like those presented by Solarwind.
Attack the messenger and avoid dealing with the message is all thatís left to them.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Accepting what we are told
« on: November 01, 2020, 01:50:33 AM »
This discussion is a good example of how broken and bankrupt this site is and why there is no room for debate as there is nothing to debate. Solarwind presented a reasonable point as to whatís considered to be flat earth belief using what must be a primary belief among flat earthers, the size of the sun. Rather than deal with that specific point and offering evidence, all the mods took various swipes at Solarwind for asking the question. The real reason being they have no evidence for any of their beliefs, otherwise they would present them. From this one can only conclude that they like all flat earthers havenít a clue about what to believe. The whole flat earth Ďthingí is a premise based on negativity in that they know what they donít like or believe, anything that suggests the world is a sphere,  but have no clue on presenting a coherent alternative. They say Janeís Compedium is the most up to date source! Itís no more than a smorgasbord of random mind farts that presents little in the way of a coherent view.
There is no such thing as flat earth debate as flat earthers never present anything to debate as all they engage in is conspiracy driven negativity.
Just watch any mod response to this post will avoid dealing with any of the points raised but instead will take the form of an attack on me the author. It would be refreshing if, the mods, spent more time dealing with the message rather than trying to bite the legs of the messenger.
Just as well I have my bite proof leggings on!

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The Lounge / Re: New posts per day statistic?
« on: October 29, 2020, 03:48:28 PM »
Just look at how this thread has gone! Rather than dealing with the topic itís become yet another pointless slagging match. Thatís why the whole thing is like a broken pencil, pointless!

You could at least be honest and rename the forum with a more appropriate title.....like..

ĎFlat Earth Slag HeapĎ now that has a ring to it.

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The Lounge / Re: New posts per day statistic?
« on: October 29, 2020, 03:43:08 PM »
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The point is any debate regarding the flat earth is pretty much dead.

It has always been. I have been banned many times for disproving the flat earth theory.

Most of the bams I can think of have had nothing to do with 'disproving' the flat earth theory and everything to do with [insert negative adjective here]  8)

Hmm, your memory is failing you again. Maybe visit a doctor?

Do you have an example? I've never seen anyone banned for 'disproving' the flat earth theory. Here anyway. Can't say the same for the other site though.

The bans are engineered by the Mods. A debate starts by a poster who layout out facts that disprove some element of flat earth thought. Rather than engaging with the facts in the debate, a moderator will make some stupid personal remark and so the downhill spiral starts. While people like Bulewinkle can get away with using abusive language anyone else will recieve a warning or an outright ban. The problem being is flat earther have no facts they can use so have to resort to ridicule or outright abuse, such is the absurdity of the 'Debate' section.

I don't think what you wrote that led to your last ban was "engineered by the Mods". You pretty much engineered it all by yourself:

To Jack Black:

"The conclusion I have come to is you are as mad as the fucking preverbial brush and trying to reason with a madman like you who has a dog turd for brains is pretty pointless. I thought Sandokhan was a fucking idiot but you take the madman biscuit.
It looks like given you absence that you were on some bender and have returned foaming at the mouth ready for some madcap action. Well on you go and rave away you stupid fuckwit.
"

AND

To Boydster:

"Why don't you just go and fuck yourself you supercilious shit."

And you have just revealed how slow and simple you are...do you not understand the term engineered? You would need to read all the previous post that lead to that Mr.  numpty!
You have also revealed you are no more than a puppet of the mods that enjoys being jerked around.

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The Lounge / Re: New posts per day statistic?
« on: October 26, 2020, 02:26:24 PM »
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I looked at your posts around those times and didn't see anything regarding flat earth theory and you disproving it. The majority of your posts seem to simply have been "F#*& you Boydster".
Ah yes I forgot that; I changed most of the posts destroying FE to  :o you boydster.

What was your destroying FE proof that got you banned?


He was just in a sour mood. He even changed some of his very well written and informative posts about covid to  ':o you boydster'. After that, he then decided he would troll entirely on the subject of covid too.

Pay no mind to the Swede. He acts like this every time he gets 0wn3d. Which, being a Swede, happens a lot

You are a fine one talking about trolling! I feel a bible quote coming on, you know the one about the speck of sawdust and the plank.

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The Lounge / Re: New posts per day statistic?
« on: October 26, 2020, 02:24:04 PM »
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The point is any debate regarding the flat earth is pretty much dead.

It has always been. I have been banned many times for disproving the flat earth theory.

Most of the bams I can think of have had nothing to do with 'disproving' the flat earth theory and everything to do with [insert negative adjective here]  8)

Hmm, your memory is failing you again. Maybe visit a doctor?

Do you have an example? I've never seen anyone banned for 'disproving' the flat earth theory. Here anyway. Can't say the same for the other site though.

The bans are engineered by the Mods. A debate starts by a poster who layout out facts that disprove some element of flat earth thought. Rather than engaging with the facts in the debate, a moderator will make some stupid personal remark and so the downhill spiral starts. While people like Bulewinkle can get away with using abusive language anyone else will recieve a warning or an outright ban. The problem being is flat earther have no facts they can use so have to resort to ridicule or outright abuse, such is the absurdity of the 'Debate' section.

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The Lounge / Re: New posts per day statistic?
« on: October 26, 2020, 02:17:24 PM »
Tim is absolutely a n00m. He might always be. It's what makes him so charming.

Your post proves my point. Rather than dealing with the point in the post....you deliberately target the poster. Why are you unable to stick to the point under discussion?

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The Lounge / Re: New posts per day statistic?
« on: October 24, 2020, 01:48:41 PM »
The reasons for the demise of this forum are pretty self evident. Go look at the top four posts on the Ďdebateí section.

1 Distance to the Sun, started Oct 21st.   Solarwind
2 London to DŁsseldorf started Sept 27th.  Danang
3 Polaris debunks magnetic declination started June 24th.  Wise
4 I guess weíre debating how water sticks to a globe again started May 24th. Sandokhan

Putting aside the subject or authors of the posts, itís pretty evident that people have lost interest in posting new topics. For anyone who has frequented this forum for any length of time the answers are pretty clear.

The most obvious one is the lack of any real rational moderated debate. The moderators themselves have been complicit, and in many cases active participants, in the way the level of debate has degenerated into no more than mudslinging and trading of puerile abuse. Moderators regularly sabotage debates due to the lack of any opposing rational arguments. The few flat earthers on the forum also employ this tactic. It is of course understandable as flat earthers have little in the way of any rational arguments they can fall back on, all of them having been shot to pieces a long time ago. This is hardly surprising given their main and only reference book was written over 150 years ago by a known conman.

Three of the top four topics deal with astronomy. How can flat earthers have any view on that subject as they have no means of collecting their own data. Any knowledge they may acquire coming from mainstream science, a science they regularly mock and apparently find abhorrent!

Think about it astronomy collects data using state of the art receivers that utilise most of the electromagnetic spectrum, everything from gamma rays down to radio waves. All the data used to build a picture of how the universe works. Flat earthers on the other hand put their trust in what they can see with their own eyes!

Hardly a level playing field hence the need for abuse and ridicule to help level it out.

Flat earth is dead as is any rational debate.

You are new here, right? Because obviously you are very clueless. Nobody stays here to debate the earth's shape. Maybe people come here to do this, but all of them stay for a different reason: this forum has people from all over the world with very different social/economic backgrounds and thus it's interesting to discuss politics or philosophical stuff with those people (with which you normally wouldnt imteract; e.g. BHS, disputeone, wise).

You tho were right about mods destroying discussions.

Clueless? Though I think you may be gormless with a complete lack of any observational skills. If I had been new dont you think my number of posts would have been a tad lower?

The point is any debate regarding the flat earth is pretty much dead.

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The Lounge / Re: New posts per day statistic?
« on: October 24, 2020, 02:43:16 AM »
The reasons for the demise of this forum are pretty self evident. Go look at the top four posts on the Ďdebateí section.

1 Distance to the Sun, started Oct 21st.   Solarwind
2 London to DŁsseldorf started Sept 27th.  Danang
3 Polaris debunks magnetic declination started June 24th.  Wise
4 I guess weíre debating how water sticks to a globe again started May 24th. Sandokhan

Putting aside the subject or authors of the posts, itís pretty evident that people have lost interest in posting new topics. For anyone who has frequented this forum for any length of time the answers are pretty clear.

The most obvious one is the lack of any real rational moderated debate. The moderators themselves have been complicit, and in many cases active participants, in the way the level of debate has degenerated into no more than mudslinging and trading of puerile abuse. Moderators regularly sabotage debates due to the lack of any opposing rational arguments. The few flat earthers on the forum also employ this tactic. It is of course understandable as flat earthers have little in the way of any rational arguments they can fall back on, all of them having been shot to pieces a long time ago. This is hardly surprising given their main and only reference book was written over 150 years ago by a known conman.

Three of the top four topics deal with astronomy. How can flat earthers have any view on that subject as they have no means of collecting their own data. Any knowledge they may acquire coming from mainstream science, a science they regularly mock and apparently find abhorrent!

Think about it astronomy collects data using state of the art receivers that utilise most of the electromagnetic spectrum, everything from gamma rays down to radio waves. All the data used to build a picture of how the universe works. Flat earthers on the other hand put their trust in what they can see with their own eyes!

Hardly a level playing field hence the need for abuse and ridicule to help level it out.

Flat earth is dead as is any rational debate.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Where exactly is it?
« on: July 31, 2020, 03:31:17 PM »
The goal post have never moved from the start, they are still the very same as placed by the laws of nature.
No, they have.
You started with just the video, now you also want to invoke "the laws of nature" by which you mean the entire body of scientific understanding of the world. But with that, the video proves bascially nothing about the motion of Earth, as the "laws of nature" alone indicate Earth is rotating.
So again, this makes your entirely circular.
Earth is rotating and orbiting the sun, thus the video shows Earth is rotating and orbiting the sun.
That is not a logical argument, and that doesn't prove anything about the motion of Earth.

I said that it was impossible to produce such a video by spinning the camera, and still say that and have explained why your argument is wrong.
Except you haven't actually explained why. Instead you just dismissed that possibility using other evidence, specifically exactly what was pointed out that your argument lacks.
So you are still wrong.
The video still doesn't prove Earth rotates.

What you are doing is flapping around as you know you have not a single leg to stand on and are clutching at the proverbial straws by deflecting. Can you explain how this video could have be produced by moving the light source? That might make for interesting reading!
Good job projecting your own inadequacies and deflecting yet again.

Once more, explain FROM THE FOOTAGE ALONE how you can tell which is in motion.
That means no appealing to the fact that Earth rotates. No appealing to the fact that Earth orbits the sun.
You are also permitted to use the content of the video.

If you can't, then be honest for once and admit that the video does not prove that Earth is in motion.

....but you can, irrespective of anything else.
Replace the sun with a fixed unmovable light while the subject, the earth moves on a rail as does the camera.
Now think about the video.
Again, you can't.
Replace Earth with a fixed immovable subject, while the light source and camera both move on rails around the subject.
Now think about the video.

You cannot appeal to the sun being fixed, as that is not in the video.

There is no other way to obtain such a video without moving the light
i.e. THERE IS A WAY, you just dismiss it.
The video does not tell you which is moving, and thus you are wrong.

Is moving the sun to illuminate the subject really an option?
When you are using the video to prove Earth is rotating YES!
If you want to "bring in reality" then you bring in Earth rotating and the video proves nothing.

The conclusion I have come to is you are as mad as the fucking preverbial brush and trying to reason with a madman like you who has a dog turd for brains is pretty pointless. I thought Sandokhan was a fucking idiot but you take the madman biscuit.
It looks like given you absence that you were on some bender and have returned foaming at the mouth ready for some madcap action. Well on you go and rave away you stupid fuckwit.

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