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Flat Earth General / Re: If FE was accepted
« on: March 21, 2019, 03:17:17 PM »

Let's go to, say, Warsaw. At Equinox the noon sun is not at 12.00 and day length is not 12 hours. Why is it??

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/poland/warsaw


Hmmm. Let's see.

First, the equinox in 2019 falls on March 20, not March 21. You've highlighted the wrong day.

Second, the page you link to has a link titled "Why is the day and night not exactly 12 hours on Equinox?"

I guess inattentiveness is your strong suit.

its ok, flat earthers generally leave things out that prove them wrong even though its right there for anyone to find.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Newbie......Behind the Curve ?
« on: March 21, 2019, 02:08:06 AM »
Psionicinversion says:
"so your saying flat earth isnt round yet every map you produce is round. so which is it?"

>> Flat earth is flat earth, not round. This flat earth and everything in the sky will be destroyed someday.
Afterwards there will be countless round earths along with its skies.

round can describe a 2D circle or a 3D sphere. like i say all flat earth maps show that it is round

Because the sunlight has a limited range. You'll never know what is like the land/sea beyond the sunlight range.

we also dont even need light to map stuff out, have radar, lidar, could use sound to map out the area. all sorts of stuff so to say we could never find out is quite frankly ignorant

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Flat Earth General / Re: Newbie......Behind the Curve ?
« on: March 21, 2019, 01:56:05 AM »
Psionicinversion says:
"so your saying flat earth isnt round yet every map you produce is round. so which is it?"

>> Flat earth is flat earth, not round. This flat earth and everything in the sky will be destroyed someday.
Afterwards there will be countless round earths along with its skies.

round can describe a 2D circle or a 3D sphere. like i say all flat earth maps show that it is round

Because the sunlight has a limited range. You'll never know what is like the land/sea beyond the sunlight range.

will never know? and theres me thinking we still havnt created artificial light yet!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Newbie......Behind the Curve ?
« on: March 21, 2019, 01:45:00 AM »
Psionicinversion says:
"so your saying flat earth isnt round yet every map you produce is round. so which is it?"

>> Flat earth is flat earth, not round. This flat earth and everything in the sky will be destroyed someday.
Afterwards there will be countless round earths along with its skies.

round can describe a 2D circle or a 3D sphere. like i say all flat earth maps show that it is round

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Flat Earth General / Re: Newbie......Behind the Curve ?
« on: March 21, 2019, 01:28:01 AM »
"why does it matter if the Earth is round or flat?"

>> The world is full of orchestrated deceptions.
The shape of the earth is just a door potentially to reveal and destroy this 'perfect' deceptions.

So far they 'hide' God.

So what are you saying danang?  God couldn't create a round earth?

Probably next time - after this flat earth is terminated - God will create round earths. A heavenly new round earth is given to everyone, each one gets one round earth.

so your saying flat earth isnt round yet every map you produce is round. so which is it?

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Flat Earth General / Re: If FE was accepted
« on: March 21, 2019, 01:23:57 AM »
Would it be some particular model, or would it be just that the earth was not round?

Would some school districts use the phew map, while others use the polar projection and other a toroid? Would each school board look at many youtube videos and decide for their school district?

Or would FE achieve consensus and all use the exact same model? If that was going to happen, why not come up with the one true model now? RE did it, why can't FE.

In any case, if I am on the school board, FE would have to agree before I put it in the schools. I would think FEs would agree, if FE is ever to be anything but more threads on FES, it has to present a particular case. I have asked more than once, and the only thing all FEs agree on is that the earth is not round.

How will FE achieve agreement? To me, it seems the most foundational thing to be done for the future of FE. Or maybe you like things just the way they are?

of course flat earthers would love to have FE to be taught in schools. More people to con into buying there merchandise but if schools accepted FE at least from the usual crowd like Mark sargeant and that they would also have to throw every science book in the bin because they have a severe lack of any scientific understanding and would basically mean civilisation would have to be put on hold until the FE movement died out

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Flat Earth General / Re: Newbie......Behind the Curve ?
« on: March 20, 2019, 08:45:43 AM »
I meant the T shirts, the fllat earth models and stuff that seems to proliferate at the meetings.

yeah and thats the driving force behind those guys so desperate to spread the word. the more people they get to follow the more people there is to potentially buy stuff.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Newbie......Behind the Curve ?
« on: March 20, 2019, 07:45:50 AM »
There did seem to be a lot of merchandising going on in the documentary.

the documentary wasnt done by flat earthers so they wouldnt have gotten anything from it money wise but yeah i think with the rise in its popularity money is definitely a contributing factor to pushing the flat earth narrative from those people.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Newbie......Behind the Curve ?
« on: March 20, 2019, 07:25:01 AM »
I didn't mean FlatEarthers were being mocked, more that it was a fake documentary, made to send up the whole situation. Like Spinal Tap.

Are you telling me that those people, whether FlatEarthers and scientific professionals, were real?

yeah the flat earthers and professionals were real. Mark Sargeant, Bob Knodel, Jeranism (i think is his youtube channel name) bloke all prominent flat earthers with youtube channels. for example https://fe2018.com/speakers/bob-knodel/

Its funny how after it came out they all called it a hit piece likely because they didnt like how they sound but they sound like that all day everyday. in my opinion that would help people to understand where flat earthers are coming from mentally and not exclude them that much.

They all say theyve lost friends family etc over believing in flat earth which i find to be extremely doubtful just believing in it. I think they lost those people because they wouldnt shut up about it boring them to death. Its like with anything one of my friends loves trains and planes and that goes to airshows, goes on train rides on old trains and he'll tell me about where hes been and what he's done but he knows i dont care about that stuff so he limits what he tells me. same with me, i dont bore him with stuff ive done that he doesnt care about. I have a feeling they pushed people away by constantly talking about it to people that arent interested at all. to most people earth could be round, flat, rectangular changing the fact isnt going to make there debt go away or marital issues or whatever so most people dont care

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Flat Earth General / Re: Newbie......Behind the Curve ?
« on: March 20, 2019, 07:04:22 AM »
Hi all

I just joined after watching Behind the Curve, which I thought would answer some questions but just seemed to give me more.

Was this a factual documentary or a 'mockumentary'? It was presented in the style of a documentary but came across as proof that FllatEarthers are wrong and are simply a bunch of like minded insular people, nothing more. Even the so called experiments that 'proved' the Earth is flat were a failure. Even then, the results were bent and shaped to conform to the notion that the Earth is flat. The last experiment in the 'documentary' involving some sticks in a canal was just a joke....wasn't it?

I'm open minded but really? So much evidence to prove the Earth is a globe and so little to prove otherwise.

I suppose the biggest question I have is.....why does it matter if the Earth is round or flat?

no its not a mockumentary. i thought they did a really good job of trying to leave anything mocking those flat earthers out of it by the professionals they had speaking on it. Its just the way those flat earthers are. go watch any of the videos those flat earthers do on youtube and youll see. The more they talk the crazier they sound.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How the Government cover-up is impossible
« on: March 20, 2019, 06:51:45 AM »
I am sure that is what they hoped you would say.

You all embrace the exact opposite of Occamís Razor.

Instead of thinking itís impossible for every single country in the world and all their scientists to collude on this point, you think their hostilities and disagreements are all an act. That itís some elaborate explanation to trick us.

Let me ask you this: what do they all have to gain by doing this?

What do they not have to gain by controlling people's minds?  They would certainly have money and power to gain.

What money/power could they gain from covering up the flat earth? If anything its only costing them money and requiring them to use more power to cover everything up. Not to mention that if a government spilled the beans and toppled every other government by inciting world wide civil unrest, that government would undoubtedly be the most powerful and rich government in the world.

well without having an enemy they cant draw on peoples insecurities/mistrust to indoctrinate them into flat earth with the most absolutely intelligence breaking arguments with severe lack of understanding. Most people wouldnt come to a site like this but watch the videos on youtube and the people who make those videos are one of or some maybe even all of these things being liars/deceivers/intelligence levels that border on a disability (not an attack just an observation)/lack of understanding of science/arm chair scientists with zero training/straight up lunatics etc. its crazy

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Take the pyramids, i dont think any engineers of today have any clue on how to build a pyramid like that today
I agree with your general point about being no more or less intelligent than the ancient Egyptians, however this is nonsense.  A pyramid is one of the easiest structures to build, which is why we see them all over.  It's essentially just stacking bricks on top of each other - try it yourself with lego.  The great pyramids are an amazing feat of organisation and project management, but are not sophisticated engineering (by current standards).  We can now build stuff like this:


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i pyramid on its own is easy sure but what about all the passage ways and stuff inside it? i suppose it isnt any different than carving your way into a mountain. As for that bridge im betting the romans could have knocked something like that out easily if they had the tools to effectively build something that high

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I did a bit of research and found that Eratosthenes first estimated that the earth was a globe in 240 BC.  This was the first time I found that someone actually tried to calculate the size of the round earth using a scientific approach.  Basically, he found that when the sun was directly overhead in 1 town, it lit the bottom of a well.  However in another time some distance away, the bottom of the well was not lit, the sun was at an angle.  Using trigonometry and knowing the distance between the 2 towns, he calculated the circumference of the earth.   he was about 5% off, not bad for the time. 
There was some others that believed in a round earth, including Pythagoras and Aristotle, several hundred years before this, but there estimates on the size were based more on rough guesses then scientific approaches. 
My question, how far back does the belief in a flat earth go.  When did people start trying to hide the truth that the earth was flat?   Not only that, but what was the original motivation for people to 'prove' the earth was round and hide the 'fact' that the earth is flat?
I ask this because I am curious if this whole flat earth movement is a recent thing or if its been around a long time.
Before anyone goes down the road of supposedly sizing up the Earth they need to actually put their mind into gear and figure out how this Eratosthenes managed to do what he did when he supposedly noticed this well, lit up and finding that it didn't correspond to another place 500 miles away.
I mean, did he phone his mate up?
Did his mate have telepathy?
Did he walk to the other place with his yardstick and wheel?

Our life is based on little fictional storytelling of history that is potentially so far off the beaten track as to be rendered nothing more than simply readable fictional stories.

"I can see the bottom of the well lit up, send a carrier pigeon to let my best mate know, so he can say his well wasn't lit up like mine."

What a load of effing nonsense.
Yeah..and I used the carrier pigeon as just another joke in the series of jokes that this stuff is.

People today find it hard to read and write but in those days they had libraries and what not. Not to mention super scientists and books and stationary etc to sort out what we can't fathom even today.

People need to wake up with all these supposed historical facts.

Let me tell you something.
If Eratosthenes and co could do what they did in those times, then the technology we have today would not have just came about within just 100 years.

It's almost like we took a time out and then restarted.

When stories need to be spun into fact from a fiction to suit a narrative then there's your history which people will follow and the real steadfast followers of the whole written stories becomes the major memory experts and can now reel those stories off mostly by heart.
Are they experts in history? .....No.
They are experts at memorising the written stories of whoever decided to write them at whatever times, which could have been many many many hundreds of years later than what was told.

We live in a world of storytelling bullcrap that saturates the actually storytelling facts, to then become indistinguishable from those facts.

To think we are born and will die with our heads crammed with nothing more than historical fiction and little known facts.
What a sad state of affairs for living in.

so you have no idea how they did it so it must be false? i watched a documentary forgot what it was called but when the romans took over a city they built an aquaduct that went from the mountains all the way down into the city to provide the city with water and the program said engineers of today have absolutely no idea how they managed to do it with such precision a couple of thousand years ago. Take the pyramids, i dont think any engineers of today have any clue on how to build a pyramid like that today let alone understand how they did it thousands of years ago.

in many ways we are dumber today than we were way back when. there are technological walls you hit until you are able to make something that allows technology to rapidly evolve again

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Flat Earth General / Re: If FEs had a meeting with famous astronomers
« on: March 09, 2019, 05:58:21 AM »
you can (not)physically verify the answers of a globe earth. nobody can and will ever be able to verify a flat global earth because you cant verify something that doesnt exist
Fair point.

hahaha classic flat earther. cant provide a single shred of proof for anything so just dismiss everything. theres a reason why scholars of the past moved away from any form of a flat earth because it didnt fit with there observations. the whole point of science is to evolve the understanding of stuff, you lot are trying to devolve science.

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Flat Earth General / Re: If a person was standing on a ball
« on: March 09, 2019, 04:59:16 AM »
I would say the smaller the balls the flatter they would be.
what?!!! oh yeah i forgot for a second that a tennis balls curvature is smaller than a basketballs!

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Flat Earth General / Re: If FEs had a meeting with famous astronomers
« on: March 09, 2019, 04:47:08 AM »
Good old RE, always coked up and raring to go!
Maybe because GE has answers and FE doesn't?
Anyone can have answers. The ability to physically verify those answers is the key to whether something is potentially legitimate or not.
I'd say Flat Earth has more legitimate physical answers than global Earth from a reality point of view that does not require magical thought process.

you can physically verify the answers of a globe earth. nobody can and will ever be able to verify a flat earth because you cant verify something that doesnt exist

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat earth on netflix! EEEEEEEEEE!
« on: March 09, 2019, 02:27:35 AM »
every experiment that a flat earther does is scientific fraud because there isnt a single experiment that can ever be designed to prove a flat earth because the earth isnt flat. lies and deception is the only outcome of any experiment a flat earther can do until they realise and accept the earth is round

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Flat Earth General / Re: If FEs had a meeting with famous astronomers
« on: March 09, 2019, 02:09:49 AM »
if they met someone with knowledge they wouldnt be able to answer anything. i think they purposely go in to try and flabergast people with there idiotic "reasoning" and there like... what! what are you on about, the people are so intelligent that its like looking at an under developed chimpanzee

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Flat Earth General / Re: Can someone show me proof if the Earth is flat?
« on: February 26, 2019, 05:43:41 AM »
Hey! I'm currently doing a school project, and I'm a flat earther. I need to find proof to prove my point, but I need the most trustworthy and reputable source. I am depending on you guys to help me prove my peers wrong, so they stop bullying me about my beliefs. If you have good proof, please send it in the response... Thanks!

just get an inflatable globe then beat it with a baseball bat. theres your flat earth model

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ok lets take something on the ground then which is exactly the same thing as what im talking about, only did something in the air because it travels much faster. your travelling at 100 mph you hold your phone up in your hand. why doesnt it go through the back window?? or go on the shanghai maglev, 267mph. why does everything on it stay where it is and not fly to the back of the train?

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didnt know that but even without knowing it, best evidence is your trying to put a 3D object on to a 2D surface so i suppose you could take a basketball slice it from a point you would consider the top to the opposite side, flatten it out on to a piece of paper. theres going to a lot of gaps on the outer edges so whats the easiest thing to do... just a draw a circle filling in the gaps and that is the flat earth model but i dont think they get that!

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ok lets take something really simple. all roads are not straight. you could be travelling at 100mph down the motorway and your following it, it starts to curve to the right, lets say, you dont even feel that force on you. now then take a small roundabout, if your going slow enough you dont even feel that

so you got no explanation for any of that then right ok.

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well when your on a plane everything on it is travelling with it. if you throw something up in the air it doesnt fly to the back of the aircraft. if you put it on a string attached to the roof it doesnt move from the center unless a force is acted up on it like a turn or big change in acceleration or deceleration.

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http://fe2019.com/about/

"However, every experiment ever conducted to prove even the simple spin of the earth has failed! "

ummm id say the only thing that has failed is them trying to debunk a spinning globe. I just dont understand why every experiment a flat earther does fails to prove a flat earth, the only way to get the results they get to try prove it is a flat earth and theres no curve is something a child would do and when they still cant get the answer either dismiss it entirely or fudge the numbers to make it work.

Flat earthers call yourselves truth seekers when your not.

take this "The earth spins at 1,040 miles per hour" you lot are adamant that is fast. its not. the concorde's cruising speed was 1300 miles per hour yet i highly doubt every single person was glued to there seats for the whole duration of the trip. Boeing is building a hypersonic jet set to be in service by 2030 that travels at 4000 miles per hour, yet 1000 mph is to fast! makes no sense.

even ancient egyptians 1000's of years ago knew the earth was spherical.

also when they say Neil degrasse tyson and Brian Cox wont debate a flat earther isnt because they dont have the answers, its because they are sick and tired of answering the same idiotic questions every time and those questions never change. Its like talking to a brick wall, would you like to repeat yourselves over and over again or would you just turn around and walk away???

truth seekers.... yeah right

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its because they only believe something when it fits inside there own belief system.  truth seekers as they call themselves is laughable

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the north pole is in the middle because all flat earth maps are based on a globe

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are there any ways to go off the edge?
« on: February 04, 2019, 06:52:37 AM »
There is no end to the earth; it is an infinite plane or a closed non-euclidean surface.

if earth was an infinite plane then there would be no other stars in the sky and after you get out of reach of the sun would be completely black dark void of nothing. so what is the point of it being infinite?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Vagueness in FE
« on: February 04, 2019, 02:05:10 AM »
I find globularists have a psychological need to be pinned down. 

If you ask why the universe is (apparently) increasing its rate of expansion, they are quick to spout off about "Dark Energy!" with authority and unmatched zeal as though the term meant anything or the question was answered. The mysteries aren't mysterious anymore because the priests at the pulpit gave it a name.

The average globularist is incapable of doubt or indecision because he isn't capable of reflection. He could do with a bit more honesty and reflection; vagueness, if you prefer. He cannot bear to say, "I don't know". His ego will not allow it. Further his religion (and Wikipedia, its holy writ) has already given him the answers-- though the answers are empty, he takes comfort in them.  How touchingly naive the whole drama is. It must be comforting to have such faith, though the thought repulses me. Pinned down to "Dark Energy", clutching it like child with a teddy bear because "I don't know" and "could be different things" is too vague and unnerving. To run to wikipedia with life's questions, copy and pasting it as though it were Scripture.

they call it dark energy and dark matter because they dont know what it is but they have to call it something. likely dark cus you cant see it. according to brian cox from his awesome 2 1/2 hour interview with Joe Rogan days ago the new more popular theory is the universe is eternal, constantly expanding (cant 100% remember what he says) and every now and again itll dump a load of energy that basically explodes (big bang) and when it cools atoms can start to form etc. I thought of an example of the universe being like a vast ever expanding desert with oasis (not the band hohoho) popping up every now and again and those are what we would call our universe.

From all the planets and stuff we see in the universe ours being the only one that is flat makes absolutely zero sense. Brian Cox says if dark energy exists there not sure if its just naturally there which it could be because if we are just a part of an eternal universe its going to have some energy driving it and if it is that dark energy that is why its everywhere. Also in my mind if you could make a power source and engine that can be powered by and push on dark energy you could travel to any other micro universe to and that would be awesome.

now then the eternal expansion of the eternal universe could be the product of forming our little universes, kind of like the film The Core when they restarted the earths core they dropped off nukes  all around it and the explosions caused a wave that pushed the core around. That could be what our little micro universes are doing, big bangs that cause a wave to keep the eternal universe ever expanding. like dropping a brick in pond. chuck it in it displaces the water and forces it outwards.

For tons of future space stuff check out isaac arthu, been listening to his stuff its awesome  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why would NASA claim Earth is round?
« on: January 18, 2019, 01:55:57 AM »
the way i see it is science is the evolution of knowledge, the more knowledge you have the more things you can explain through science. blaming everything on NASA and the government shows an extreme level of mistrust which is common in all conspiracy theorists despite people doing experiments 100's and 1000's of years before even america as a country existed let alone NASA.

sure at one point they thought the earth was flat then erastosthenes did an experiment that could only work on a globe and pretty much proved the earth was sphericle or an oblate spheroid as NDT puts it cus its grown abit of a spare tyre round its waist in its old age!! they also thought we were the center of the universe (mans ego) then they found out that cant be right so it must just be our solar system that revolves around us (again mans ego), then they figure out we revolve around the sun all way way before NASA existed. all that is gaining the knowledge through science to ask more questions.

its like bridges or something like that over big stretches of water that seem to sink over long distance but its just following the curve of the earth. Eric Dubay asked some engineer (was in the early part of his 200 things for flat earth) if you would compensate for the curvature of the earth by say dropping a road by how ever many feet and the engineer laughed and said no that would be stupid but Dubay though that as proof of flat earth. Nope, like over water if you build those structure at say 10 feet above sea level or the lakes level or whatever. it will naturally follow the curvature of the earth. its the same with anything on land the earths curve is so tiny that as long as what you are building is level it will always follow the curve of the earth. Its like taking a ruler and put it on the top of a basketball and keep the ruler level and move the ruler side to side rolling the basketball, the ball will move yet the ruler will always stay level. same thing

i think some people just like the idea of seeing something that isnt there. if the earth was flat why hide it as the educational system would have come into play way way before then to teach earth is flat. Technology would have grown with that in mind. Technology mainly grows with the need of something, take the GPS system which surrounds the earth, not sure if that system would work on a flat earth because you might need satellites off to the side to give you an elevation reading but im sure there are other ways to read elevation anyway.

Actually if the earth was flat and the sun was only 3000 miles up or whatever you guys believe creating a dyson sphere to harness 100% of the the suns solar energy for our planets consumption would be orders of magnitude easier to do, in fact we could probably do it right now so having the earth as flat would actually benefit the planet far more than having a solar system with a huge in space with millions of galaxies.

bit long i think but just some thoughts

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you know what im actually contradicting a few things im trying to live my life by at the moment to make it happier by arguing this point. one thing is, its other peoples lives let them do and think whatever they want as long as it isnt directly hurting someone elses life by beating them up, for example, or things like that

so if it makes you happy and brings more meaning to your life thinking the earth is flat and all that stuff go for it.

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