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The Lounge / Re: Covid-19 checkup

« on: March 12, 2020, 06:06:28 PM »

In all seriousness, I would strongly suggest that moonlight is avoided during this time as it can weaken the immune system and allow for COVID-19 and other ailments to take hold easier.

Oh, what total rubbish! Surely you don't believe that sort of stuff.

The sad part is that I think maybe he does. And this is where flat-Earth-ism, normally a fun and silly game, can get dangerous, because if people actually take it seriously, they reject science and fall for the ravings of crackpots and charlatans.

It's fun to pretend that the Earth is flat. It's not so much fun when you get sick because you rejected science and the precautions advised by scientists. When you start believing that scientists are all lying to us, you open yourself to all manner of harm.

And while people who preach flat-Earth-ism may seem generally harmless, the actual harm they are doing is insidious and real.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

« on: March 12, 2020, 05:47:17 PM »

... Americans or Chinese will surely find a cure.

And when they do, it will be scientists, using actual evidence, who find it. Not people who, rejecting all evidence and logic, think that the Earth is flat. Flat-Earth-ism can be a fun and silly game, but the real danger is when people take it so seriously that they reject real science, and evidence, and reason, and they let that attitude into areas where it can do real damage.

I'm glad to see that when it really matters, as in this pandemic, the flat-Earthers here seem ready to accept real science, done by people who actually know what they're doing, rather than believing crackpots like the nutters who think the government is lying to us about the shape of the Earth.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Alien Life

« on: March 09, 2020, 02:44:15 PM »

Do you believe in intelligent ponies?

First confirmed sighting I’m aware of back in 1961.



Your sparkly rainbow ponies first appeared in 81.  20 years later...  hmmm?  Could they all be the offspring of Mr Ed?

Consider this my personal contribution to the world’s conspiracy community.

Mr. Ed is a horse, of course, not a pony. Listen to the theme song.

Oooh!  The first attempted debunking of my marvelous conspiracy theory.  Bring it, mofos!

Ponies are horses.  Next!

All ponies are horses, but not all horses are ponies. Mr. Ed is not a pony.

Given the typical lifespan of horses, Mr. Ed is nothing at all now.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Alien Life

« on: March 08, 2020, 06:13:04 PM »

UFO - Unidentified Flying Object.
If they have UFO's do they think that we are the aliens.
Www.imgur/mindblown.gif

If you are not an ornithologist then nearly every bird is a UFO. It flies and you cannot identify it. (A few birds are flightless, but not very many.) I see UFOs flying around outside my windows every day. (Since I am not an ornithologist.)

Note: I'll include experienced bird-watchers in the category "amateur ornithologist."

I'm not an an informed bird-watcher either.

Do you believe in intelligent ponies?

Define "intelligent"

Intelligence: A mental property that is absent on Earth but which some people think might characterize the creatures of some other planets. It is impossible to rule out the possibility that the putative intelligent creatures on another planet might be ponies. I personally think that is unlikely.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

« on: March 06, 2020, 08:03:32 AM »

Viruses do not mutate on their own. I deny that claim. They are mutating because they are special production, they are constantly being changed. They are clearly experimenting. I think they can't decide which one to go on right now. coronavirus1.0, coronavirus2.0, coronavirus8.3, coronavirus windows10, etc ... experiments continue...

More evidence that Wise is punking us all and doesn't really believe anything he posts.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China

« on: March 06, 2020, 07:58:16 AM »

Well to me, this is evidence of ancient man, probably a real anomaly. If the concrete was their before the river, as it was deep in the river bed, i think that is pretty darn interesting and just thought id share that with you guys, while talking about this location.

Ah, it looked like you were making a point about dinosaurs - something about the Chinese and tunnels?  I'm still lost with that.

But now you are saying this is sign of an ancient human civilization that built stuff before the river existed?  Rather than some modern structure that just fell in the river?  Has this anything to do with the Chinese gardens?  *confused*

I was just about to delete my last 3 posts and say i will try to stay on topic. Personally i think it is intersting info to mention about the area, but if this is widely regarded as too of topic, i will try harder to comply.

Yes i believe these "concrete" pieces are evidence of very old human settlement, i have seen the city pull other large stones/pieces of something out of traffic circles (or near them and seemingly around churches) while building said metro, and the untouched land upon which the city centre airport sat. These were not normal rocks, they looked like they were in part shaped by human hands. I'm sorry if this all sound like heresay but i saw them.

Okay. So the blocks of concrete are real. People have been using concrete for a very long time. And there have been human settlements for a lot longer. So what? If you are claiming human settlements farther back than actual archeology has evidence for, your blocks of concrete do not offer any evidence of this. It's a non sequitur: Your claim does not logically follow from the existence of the concrete blocks. And if you think that with no training in the field you know more than people who have studied for years, then you are deluded.

Which is the same thing we see daily here on the FES: People with no training in geology, history, physics, astronomy, or cosmology, think they know more than the people who have actually studied this stuff. And no, watching videos on YouTube does not constitute research or training.

I kind of wonder at your dismissal of youtube info. Are you saying you don't get any useful info from youtube? My position is that there are some contoversial topics that are a long way away from official recognition, so what do you do?

Like with any source of information, there's good and bad. You need to make a rational judgement about your source. This is not new or unique to YouTube. If you read in the paper that a farmer in Iowa was kidnapped by space aliens, did you read it in the NY Times, or did you read it in the Weekly World News?

PBS Spacetime and Eons are reliable sources on YouTube, as is Physics Girl. Crackpots with zero education are not.

I get loads of good stuff on YouTube.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

« on: March 05, 2020, 07:20:32 AM »

I think smokers should take this very seriously. Their respiratory system is already dealing with a lot. So. Yeah. Worrying about coronavirus if you smoke makes a lot of sense. Unless you just don't value someone's life because they find themselves addicted to smoking.

No. Just that they're several thousand times more likely to die of plain smoking than to die of coronavirus exacerbated by smoking.

That's especially true when they aren't exposed to coronavirus to begin with. You know, by taking reasonable precautions so as to minimize their potential for exposure. Which means actually taking the situation seriously, and not dismissing it as "no big deal."

I've never said it was "no big deal." I've said the widespread panic is overblown. I've said take reasonable precautions and don't panic. And I've said to support science (something too many people here reject) in the development of a vaccine (something else that some people here reject.)

And I've commented on the absurdity of getting totally freaked out over something that's a relatively small risk while intentionally engaging in activities that are far more risky.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China

« on: March 04, 2020, 03:41:49 PM »

Well to me, this is evidence of ancient man, probably a real anomaly. If the concrete was their before the river, as it was deep in the river bed, i think that is pretty darn interesting and just thought id share that with you guys, while talking about this location.

Ah, it looked like you were making a point about dinosaurs - something about the Chinese and tunnels?  I'm still lost with that.

But now you are saying this is sign of an ancient human civilization that built stuff before the river existed?  Rather than some modern structure that just fell in the river?  Has this anything to do with the Chinese gardens?  *confused*

I was just about to delete my last 3 posts and say i will try to stay on topic. Personally i think it is intersting info to mention about the area, but if this is widely regarded as too of topic, i will try harder to comply.

Yes i believe these "concrete" pieces are evidence of very old human settlement, i have seen the city pull other large stones/pieces of something out of traffic circles (or near them and seemingly around churches) while building said metro, and the untouched land upon which the city centre airport sat. These were not normal rocks, they looked like they were in part shaped by human hands. I'm sorry if this all sound like heresay but i saw them.

Okay. So the blocks of concrete are real. People have been using concrete for a very long time. And there have been human settlements for a lot longer. So what? If you are claiming human settlements farther back than actual archeology has evidence for, your blocks of concrete do not offer any evidence of this. It's a non sequitur: Your claim does not logically follow from the existence of the concrete blocks. And if you think that with no training in the field you know more than people who have studied for years, then you are deluded.

Which is the same thing we see daily here on the FES: People with no training in geology, history, physics, astronomy, or cosmology, think they know more than the people who have actually studied this stuff. And no, watching videos on YouTube does not constitute research or training.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

« on: March 04, 2020, 03:30:15 PM »

I think smokers should take this very seriously. Their respiratory system is already dealing with a lot. So. Yeah. Worrying about coronavirus if you smoke makes a lot of sense. Unless you just don't value someone's life because they find themselves addicted to smoking.

No. Just that they're several thousand times more likely to die of plain smoking than to die of coronavirus exacerbated by smoking.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

« on: March 04, 2020, 01:54:25 PM »

... Until we know, its a dangerous thing to ignore. ...

Which is why we need to support science, to develop a vaccine. But there's not much else ordinary people can do other than wash your hands. And of course, get your flu shot because that's about a million times more likely to kill you than covid19 is.

Someone was talking about being in Asia, Hong Kong, I think, and seeing people wearing face masks and pushing the mask aside to smoke their cigarettes. Cigarettes will kill you. Worrying about coronavirus if you smoke is like worrying about sunburn as you jump off a 100-foot cliff onto jagged rocks.

Support science. Wash your hands. Get all your vaccinations. If the world ends because of covid19 there's nothing we can do about it, so might as well just take the reasonable precautions and live your life.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China

« on: March 04, 2020, 01:45:25 PM »

In Edmonton, there once was a dinosaur dig exposition on the side of a hill by the river, Right by the "convention center" that has large underground  rooms for concerts/ festival, its kindof neat "the festival of trees" at christmas you can go wander around and (buy stuff?). Any way, they discovered the veloceraptor at this place, i believe. Now, it is a chinese garden, and they have redirected the subway to come out of the ground and cross the river right hear. this is south by several blocks from the china town.

Tell us more.

Oh i got a good one, right across the river, while building the bridge they found a giant piece of concrete submerged in the river bank, apparently having no records of it. The flood plane opposite the chinese garden has glass pyrmamids green houses you can walk around in.

The concrete was a bit bigger than a car, i think but i'm not sure. There was a vid on youtube, but i can no longer find it, something about halting construction. It was below the water.

Are you trying to make a point as to this thread? If so, what might it be?

Are you just trying to get a rize out of me?

I don't think he is, it's just your anecdote is baffling.   Why are we meant to care that they found a lump of concrete in a river?

Well to me, this is evidence of ancient man, probably a real anomaly. If the concrete was their before the river, as it was deep in the river bed, i think that is pretty darn interesting and just thought id share that with you guys, while talking about this location.

There is no anomaly. There's a chunk of concrete. Whoever found it didn't know where it came from. "Don't know" doesn't mean aliens or that the Earth is flat or that dinosaurs are Chinese fakes. It means Don't Know.

That's assuming anything about the report is true. First we'd have to find out whether there's any truth to the story at all or if it was entirely made up. Then we'd have to find out if they really didn't know where the concrete came from. Maybe somebody dumped a chunk of concrete in a river, and ten years later somebody found it, and said "We found a chunk of concrete that this construction company dumped," but that was too boring a story so a reporter claimed that they didn't know where it came from.

There is so much outright bullshit on the internet that in discussing this block of concrete we can't even assume that it actually exists.

But even if it does exist, it doesn't mean that China faked the dinosaurs. (Hint: There are dinosaur fossils all over the world. There's no way China faked them all.) Dinosaurs are real. The non-avian ones died out sixty-five million years ago. The avian dinosaurs are with us today. They're called birds.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

« on: March 04, 2020, 07:58:10 AM »

I stock up on bottled water when a hurricane is coming because flooding can cause the water to become contaminated, and I have a private well so if the power goes out I have no water anyway. The water is only for drinking and cooking, because I have a 275 gallon tank that I can fill for flushing the toilets or any other water usage that doesn't need to be as clean as drinking water.

Instead of spending money on bottled water, why not invest in a couple of 5-gallon water jugs and fill them from the tap and keep them on hand for emergencies? Periodically dump them (it's only tap water) and re-fill them so the water's always fresh.

Here is why this virus could be worse than all those things you mentioned.

Everyone on earth has access to Alcohol, yet only 80-90k die every year
Everyone on earth has access to Cigarettes, and it kills about 6 million a year (one shit load of people)
The Flu is found in every corner of earth, and kills about 400k a year.

This thing COULD (we dont know yet) kill up to 60 million people this year according to many projections (with 60% infection rate). And, if it is like flu and mutates all the time, it could do that every year. (WAY worst case scenario)

Now consider that the world population grows by 80 million people a year, and the other things that are killing people, are still doing their thing. It means that it is entirely possible that this year could be the first year (since probably the stone age) that we see a decline of world population.
If it comes back year after year, we could see a decrease in human population until we dont have old people left.

What are we going to do without old people?!?!?!

The doomsday scenario is vanishingly unlikely. It's much more likely that it runs its course, tragically kills a bunch of people, but far fewer than things people willingly do to themselves, and then either disappears or becomes one more background cause of death for people too stupid or too poor to get vaccinated. It makes perfect sense to take reasonable precautions (wash your hands!) and the government needs to fund the scientists who are developing a vaccine (the anti-science government in my country is criminally negligent!) And it makes sense to keep two weeks' worth of everything on hand for actual emergencies.

But it does not make sense to stockpile five years' worth of toilet paper when you probably only have a week's worth of food on hand.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Turkish Antivaxers: ‘Strange’ symposium against vaccination in Istanbul, 8 March

« on: March 04, 2020, 07:39:38 AM »

It may be "Jersey City" but there isn't another "New Jersey City" but a "Jersey island" belongs to UK, hence , so that, calling Jersey City as "New Jersey City" is not wrong, and better than the other one.

Wise is ignoring me, but someone might tell him:

Yes, it is wrong to call a city by a name that is not its name. You are the only person in the entire world who calls Jersey City "New Jersey City." But of course, your style of argumentation is to double down when you're shown to be wrong and insist against all logic, evidence, and reason, that you are right. In this case, you were informed that the city is called Jersey City, and rather than apologizing for an understandable mistake, given where you live, you insist that the people of that city have been calling it by the wrong name for as long as it has existed.

Since he's ignoring me, I hereby give permission for anybody who might want to, to post the above paragraph under their own name without attribution.

Of course, he may be doing this on purpose as a hint to the fact that he's not at all who he appears to be: He's a jokester who doesn't actually believe any of the things he posts here.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

« on: March 03, 2020, 04:28:13 PM »

I went to the grocery store today. There was plenty of everything. There were some empty spaces in the t.p. section, but still plenty there. (I bought a 12-pack because I was down to one roll. I didn't notice t.p. in anybody else's cart.)

Srsly, why are people in the United States buying bottled water for a virus outbreak?

Better question: why does bottled water have an expiration date?

So you'll throw it away and buy more. But why hoard bottled water anyway? I have a 5-gallon jug full of tap water. If the water goes off, I have 5 gallons. The tap water here doesn't taste as good as my R.O. filtered water, but it's still water. Bottled water makes no sense anyway, other than keeping a 5-gallon bottle or two of tap water on hand as part of general preparedness.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

« on: March 03, 2020, 05:42:38 AM »

When you see a lot of people buying up X (it doesn't matter what X is) you start to get scared that maybe they'll run out of X, so you buy a lot of it too, so you have a supply for when they run out.

When ya got the runs in quarantine, you need a lot of toilet paper.

COVID-19 is a respiratory illness.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China

« on: March 03, 2020, 05:36:14 AM »

I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Give me five bees for a quarter, you'd say.

Now where were we? Oh yeah: the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

Don't leave us in suspense!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Dark Moon

« on: March 02, 2020, 12:52:32 PM »

Plot twist! the moon is a giant hologram and the earth is a square and you cannot fall off the edge because of a force field and ender pearls will not work because life is a lie and Jesus is alive now. ☭☭🤡

Clarification please: When you say the Earth is square, do you mean it's a flat square like a shower tile, or do you mean a cube?

Thanks.

As for Jesus being alive now, there are millions of Jesus's alive now. It's a very popular name in Latin America. They pronounce it something like "hay SOOS."

And welcome to the FES.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

« on: March 02, 2020, 07:55:24 AM »

Yes, it's a serious disease, which is why we should be supporting the scientists who are working on developing a vaccine. And we should take the precautions against contagion that we should always be taking anyway, such as washing your hands. But in the grand scheme of all the causes of deaths, it's pretty far down the list. What can you do? Wash your hands and pressure the government to support science.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

« on: March 01, 2020, 04:44:44 PM »

3,000 people have died from ncov19 in China, where it started and there are the most cases. One person has died in the U.S. from ncov19. Between 18,000 and 46,000 people have died of the flu in the U.S. in the past 12 months.

Every death is a tragedy, and the government should be taking appropriate measures. But the widespread hysteria is not justified by the facts. Yes, ncov19 is a very serious disease. But it's a serious disease among many. Rather than cries of doom, we need scientific research to better understand it, and to develop a vaccine. Sadly, our anti-science president has gutted the science departments of the government because science refutes his cockamamie conspiracy theories.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

« on: March 01, 2020, 06:53:33 AM »

.. Pence is not the sharpest tool in the shed. He has access to the most brilliant medical people in the world, he should use them. ...

Problem is, he's a science-denier: he doesn't believe those experts because they are scientists. Same for Trump but more so.

Oops, I forgot where I'm posting. This is the FES. Sorry. Ignore the above...

Trump and Pence don't want to stop the virus because they are lizard people.

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The Lounge / Re: Changing sides... again.

« on: February 29, 2020, 07:14:37 AM »

That's great. You're the first person to ever join this forum, pretend to be FE, not do a very good job of it, then get annoyed when people didn't give you ass pats.

I'm not annoyed, just noting that my first attempt at being a fake FEer failed, so I decided to have another go at it, from a different perspective. 

... And why wasn't this posted in CN where you claimed "that the whole forum belonged"?

Because I was told that that view was considered improper.    And The Lounge is listed as the place for introductions, and I see this as sort of a re-introduction.

So, you are mad because you got a warning?

I'm happy when I'm speeding and I get a warning instead of a ticket. Go figure. These globs will do anything to make their existence worse than it is.

Not angry at all. Just explaining why I decided to switch sides again, in a spirit of full disclosure.

Magellanclavicord, you're a sensitive fellow, aren't you?

Nope. 

You didn't really think insulting the whole forum by saying it belongs in complete nonsense would help you fit in, did you?

Yeah, I kinda did. Well, we all make mistakes. 

You are welcome here and you are one of us. I will never call you a bigot again. You belong here and I was wrong to be insulted. You have a bit of the shine in you. If you want to be a devils advocate, just be a little better about it. We realize the humour in what we do, and we realize we will attract that. Just don't goof it up. If you need to start up a new account. We won't blame you, or likely know.

Thank you.    But I'm too lazy to make a new account. So I'll stick with this one.

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The Lounge / Changing sides... again.

« on: February 28, 2020, 04:52:17 PM »

When I first joined the FES forum I started out asking some questions. Then I became a flat-Earther. For a while I tried to advocate for a more rational FET, where science is real and Neil Armstrong and others actually did walk on the moon. But Wise shouted that I was not a "real" flat-Earther (I didn't subscribe to his version of FET) and I dropped off the forum for a while.

Then I came back as a round-Earther and tried to argue for basic common sense, until I recently got a warning for, I think, "low content posting" for saying that the whole forum belonged in CN.

So I've decided to be a flat-Earther again, and this time I'll try to be a more proper flat-Earther.

My new FE credo:

1. The Earth is flat. Absolutely flat. Mountains are just buildings built upon the flat Earth.
2. The sun and the moon are lamps, carried overhead by flying monkeys. The sun is a heat lamp that will burn you if you expose yourself to it overly. The moon is a cold lamp that will freeze your bodily organs until they shatter like glass.
3. The U.S. is run by lizard people. Donald Trump is a lizard in a people costume. All members of Congress and the courts are lizard people. NASA are all lizard people. If you get elected to office or hired by NASA, they will kidnap you and put a lizard person in your place, with your face. Your actual face which they will remove from you.
4. Birds did not evolve from dinosaurs. Birds evolved from porcupines. Humans evolved from dinosaurs. Politicians evolved from cockroaches which evolved into the lizards which put on human faces so they could run the United States. (They might be running other countries as well. I suspect that they are but I don't know.)
5. The ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter is exactly 3. Any circle which is not 3 is a fake.
6. Australia is real, and so is the south pole, but Canada is fake. There is no Canada. If you try to enter Canada you will fall off the edge of the Earth. You will fall until you enter the black hole at the center of the Milky Way, which is seven miles down. Unless you are snapped up and eaten by one of the turtles.
7. Gravity does not exist. The only reason things fall to the ground is that you expect them to.
8. Ants are your friends. They clean up the scraps of your food when you are too lazy.
9. Airplanes do not exist. What you see flying overhead are just images projected onto the  sky. When you go to the airport to board a plane, the lizard people inject you with carbolic acid and a delayed-action homeopathic antidote, which temporarily knocks you out, and they carry you on their backs and they run really fast and drop you off at your destination, where you wake up.

There. I should fit right in now.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)

« on: February 26, 2020, 01:29:27 PM »

We are going to die.

Of course we're all going to die. Probably not of the coronavirus, but we're all going to die sooner or later. 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Bible doesn't prove the Earth is flat.

« on: February 26, 2020, 01:24:31 PM »

It can be shown that the Flat Earth worldview is consistent with the vast majority of religious texts ...

Since all religious texts are complete nonsense written by people whose only expertise was in the art of bamboozling people into giving them money, their supposed "consistency" with a flat-Earth worldview is not very convincing evidence for the shape of the Earth.

And least you criticize me for calling all religious texts nonsense, I will point out that the vast majority of religions claim that all other religions are nonsense, or far worse. The only difference between me and most religious believers is that they think that 99.99% of religions are bogus, and I think that 100% of them are bogus. We only disagree by about 0.01%.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Dark Moon

« on: February 26, 2020, 09:29:12 AM »

Even flat-Earthers cannot agree on FET.

Or even the ratio between the circumference and diameter of a circle 

Good one! 

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Flat Earth General / Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China

« on: February 26, 2020, 06:50:55 AM »

We are all being punked. There may be a few mentally-ill people who actually believe in FE, but mostly they're all just making fun of us. I have half a mind to switch back to pretending to be a flat-Earther. It's so much easier: You just make stuff up, deny everything, ignore what you cannot deny, and search the internet for references and quotes that sound "sciency" but don't actually back up your position. I'll never be able to do it as well as Wise does it, because he manages to garble the English language in a way that makes it almost but not quite completely impossible to figure out what he's trying to say.

But before I do, in order to stay on topic about dinosaurs, I don't know how anybody can deny their existence when they're all around us: I see them flying around pretty much everywhere I go. The non-avian dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago, but the avian dinosaurs are very much with us today, and are quite numerous and successful.

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The Lounge / Re: RIP Mike Hughes

« on: February 26, 2020, 06:30:36 AM »

When I die I would be happy being called a stupid MF'er

(that's after I die.  )

After you die you won't know what anybody is calling you. 

exactly

Which means you won't be happy or sad. You won't be anything.

I don't care what people call me after I'm dead because I won't exist any more. But then, I don't much care what people call me now.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Bible doesn't prove the Earth is flat.

« on: February 26, 2020, 06:27:49 AM »

Did the Hebrews not roam a relatively small desert for a good 40 years?

Actually, no, they didn't. The Bible describes the 40-years' wandering in detail, and this detailed description has them moving through lands where the local people kept detailed written records that survive to this day. There is absolutely no reference in any of these places to a large tribe of foreigners moving through their lands. The entire story of the Exodus and the Wanderings in the Bible is made up. It never happened. Neither the plagues, the exodus, nor the wanderings ever happened. Surprised? The Bible is not a reliable source of history.

I wonder what modern Jews believe now?

Modern Jews know that the Earth is roughly spherical, as Jews have known ever since Eratosthenes. Hasidic Jews are bonkers, just as all religious fanatics are bonkers, and there may be flat-Earthers among Jews, as there are among Christians and Muslims. But 99.999993% of the world's population know the Earth to be round, and that includes Jews as well as everyone else.

Even the bat-shit crazy hell-fire Baptists and Pentecostalists and Seventh-Day Adventists know the Earth is round. And ALL the mainstream religions know the Earth is round.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Bible doesn't prove the Earth is flat.

« on: February 25, 2020, 06:49:37 PM »

... yet they [the ancient Hebrews?] happened to stumble upon it [a belief in FE?] somehow. ...

First of all, I'm not at all convinced that they did believe the Earth is flat, in large part because they didn't even have any idea that "the Earth" existed as a thing. All they knew was the land around them and that there are lights in the sky. And if they did believe the Earth was flat, that in no way supports your assertion that it is, since they offered no evidence or measurements. What they knew was a piece of land which looks flat to the naked eye. They shared your uneducated belief, so you cite them as an authority.

I do not cite them as an authority, I am simply pointing out they were right.

As far as being unconvinced, what happened to believing experts and the like who all state they do? Oh, I take it you didn't bother to read on that before forming an opinion, just like you didn't bother to learn about us before being bigoted towards us or pretending to be one of us? Or is it like how you didn't bother to learn history before gaining your view on that?

Oh, I see. So you bring ignorant ancient people into the argument for no actual purpose at all.

And there are no "experts" who thought that anybody after Eratosthenes believed the world was flat. So all you're doing is asserting, with no purpose, that ancient peoples were right because their mythological cosmologies agreed with your ludicrous notion, contrary to all evidence, and contrary to observations you could make yourself if you cared to, that the Earth is flat.

You're simply punking us all. There's no way you could actually believe the stuff you're writing.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Dark Moon

« on: February 25, 2020, 06:40:29 PM »

Does truth does not stay true whatever year it is? Is it a ridiculous claim?

Defend it.

It's very bold to say Truth is not temporal. Or is it just that truth is "true" for its time, letting on another layer of abstraction; this is "true" now; that was then. Overall, the Truth then would be the description of these changes - again making time a dimension to Truth. To me, it must at least be examined as a function of time, if inevitably it turns out it is not - all the easier.

"Truth" is permanent but who dares to claim that they and they alone have "THE TRUTH" - not the scientific community!
They leave that to the "TRUTHERS" and then show with evidence that the so-called "TRUTH" claimed by these "TRUTHERS" is not and never was "THE TRUTH".

As I just pointed out in another thread, the claim to have The One And Only Truth™, and a refusal to be swayed by evidence, are characteristics of some religious cults. I think that maybe Flat Earth could qualify to be considered a religious cult.

Odd; I find that to be true of the globularist community. On the other hand, there are a plethora of flat earth world views.

If "globularism" is a religion, it is one that encompasses 99.999993% of the people in the world. There are a plethora of FE world views because no two flat-Earthers can agree with each other on just how the Earth is flat. Even flat-Earthers cannot agree on FET.