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Flat Earth General / Re: Explait FET please.
« on: March 17, 2023, 10:49:34 AM »
My bad, I thought that it bended toward Earth not away from.

It does.

It's the opposite of the drawing.

It happens because of wave interference. Light travels faster in thin air than in thick air. Refraction of light is always towards the area of slower light speed. The same thing happens to light from a lantern on the bottom of a swimming pool that reaches the surface.

It is not caused by a "force", it is caused by wave interference.

You might want to get your facts straight before you start behaving like a condescending a-hole.

Refraction, even through a gradient index medium like an atmosphere, is not due to wave interference.*

When you start calling people stupid, make sure your arguments don't show that you are.


*(If you think it is, why are there never any multiple order refracted beams?)


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth is round prove me wrong
« on: March 16, 2023, 09:38:04 AM »
Quote

1+1=2


Sometimes. Sometimes not. Just like many "obvious facts" posted here, context and assumptions matter.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Explait FET please.
« on: March 15, 2023, 09:56:02 AM »
I'm really interested in physics. Please explait it to me:

   1. How does it work?
   2. Why?
   3. How much do it cost?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth is round prove me wrong
« on: March 11, 2023, 10:11:06 AM »
Wrong. I'm in 9th grade LOL.
Considering you don't know how to use proper grammar and punctuation, you're way younger than me. Or as old as me and American. They teach English there yet most people still have terrible spelling.
Also, English. I don't speak gibberish.
Now I am going to sign off for the day. Toodle pip.
Discord is LexiWasTaken#5316 for those who want to message on there.
Ok? true i am 13 years old, but you don't have a education past the first semester of 9th grade then.

This explains a lot. A decade away from brain being fully developed.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why Round Earthers Are So Insistent
« on: March 09, 2023, 11:39:07 PM »
Why do you adhere to the belief that the only way someone knows something is by being told by someone else?

Some of us actually use the observations and results of how the physical world works in our employment and hobbies, and make measurements and observations independent of someone else's "indoctrination "

I doubt you've ever made a direct measurement of the curvature of the earth. I have. I was told the Earth was round, I made an independent measurement to show it.

Curious people LOVE to question what they're told and to independently ask new questions and verify or refute old assumptions. That's a key part of science. Not blindly accepting a told "fact" but to reproduce a result and do it better and more accurately. And showing someone else the data if they think it's not right.

You may live in a world where learning is only about parroting back what you're told (I think that's called a religion). I live in a world where assumptions are always challenged and knowledge is always being revised and updated.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth is round prove me wrong
« on: March 09, 2023, 01:55:48 PM »
Curiouser and Curiouser
does the phrase "straw man" mean any thing to you

I'm not the one making up opponent's arguments.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth is round prove me wrong
« on: March 09, 2023, 01:47:23 PM »
Ok? Glad you think that you win, in the end you need to take a look at all of it, there is this thing called confirmation bias
And when you start with the premise that Earth is round and demand others prove you wrong, it sure sounds like something you have.

for instance some of you believe objects simply fall but at the same time some of you say the earth is infinity traveling upwards and objects come to meat it, we can disprove 1 by tossing a object upwards in a car, and 2 by firing a bullet.
And just how would either of those claims be disproved by either of your examples?
Lets start with 2 as its the most simplistic, lets also say that its a artillery shell because you may say that a bullet is to fast and/or to hard to track and that shell will leave a nice explosion. in the way that the earth moves up the shell could not (if fired in a straight line) avoid crashing in to the ground at the speed the planet must be moving up, now lets say this is a civil war canon, that moved even slower. This disproves that theory, now lets do 1, if you toss a object in a (moving) car according to some FE the object will hit the back of the car, lets cut to the chase and IT DOES NOT the object does the same thing as not in a car and caress the velocity from the movement of the car, or is 7th grade science to much for you.

Does the phrase "straw man" mean anything to you?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth is round prove me wrong
« on: March 09, 2023, 01:15:47 PM »

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I'm glad you realized your reply was stupid and deleted the post. You shouldn't make it so easy to show you have no idea what you're talking about.
Ok? Glad you think that you win, in the end you need to take a look at all of it, there is this thing called confirmation bias, YOU HAVE THIS! Also i must point out that the "flat earth" has no consistency, for instance some of you believe objects simply fall but at the same time some of you say the earth is infinity traveling upwards and objects come to meat it, we can disprove 1 by tossing a object upwards in a car, and 2 by firing a bullet.

You might want to take the time to read what I've written to you before you go off on a non sequitur rant. All I've done is tell you you should learn some photo and video basics so you don't mistake Earth curvature and barrel distortion on a video. (And a little deserved mockery for wondering why the suit didn't show distortion. Hope you got it now.)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth is round prove me wrong
« on: March 09, 2023, 11:27:49 AM »

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I'm glad you realized your reply was stupid and deleted the post. You shouldn't make it so easy to show you have no idea what you're talking about.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The earth is round prove me wrong
« on: March 09, 2023, 08:15:04 AM »
Firstly, that isn't how the burden of proof works.
The burden is on the one making the claim.
Why should people need to prove your claim wrong, you have provided nothing to support your claim?

Otherwise, I have an invisible pet dragon, prove me wrong.

Felix Baumgartner skydived from the stratosphere sponsered by red bull (not a space agency) and photos of the event show curvature of the planet, also no i can't prove it but who can? you! you go by a air plane and fly up and look at it yourself. i sure as heck can't but whats stopping you guys from crowd funding the money to by a sky dive trip.
Did it show the curvature of the planet, or the curvature from a fish-eye lens?



First 15 seconds ... horizon is severely convex, then severely concave. OP needs to learn some basic video/photo info. Barrel distortion, not Earth curvature.

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       The easiest way to reliably prove that the earth is flat would be sending up a weather balloon with a GoPro strapped to it.

Hmmmm. Guess it's not very reliable, then, is it?

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I am not sure that is good enough for me ...
Everyone has their own crteria for scientific validity, and this is specifically for Dr. Round, who laid out criteria that for them is "[t]he easiest way to reliably prove that the earth is flat"

You're not obligated to have the same criteria.

But Dr. Round has stated specifically a criteria for proof that is sufficient for them.

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       The easiest way to reliably prove that the earth is flat would be sending up a weather balloon with a GoPro strapped to it.
You people have the numbers. You could set up a GoFundMe and get the money within a month, set it up in a weekend and livestream the balloon going up to Youtube.

      But NO. The most evidence I've seen here is some sketchy math,reasoning, and some even more sketchy diagrams. So I'm going to do the hard work and set up a really sketchy CER ( Claim, Evidence, Reasoning, for those who don't know). It's like a mini scientific method.

Claim: The earth is flat

Evidence: The Flat Earth Society launches a weather balloon that rises to 35,000 feet with a GoPro strapped to it. The video shows that indeed, the earth is flat and the evidence is posted to Youtube to see for yourself.

Reasoning: Since the Flat Earth Society has public video evidence that the Earth is flat, The FE society puts it all together and we have a proven claim with 1 hard piece of evidence ( and many more sketchy ones that forum users have tried to add).



Therefore, according to the reliable evidence, the earth is flat.


*( I put the sketchy evidence as reliable because at this point, looking outside , seeing the ground is flat, and proclaiming that the earth is flat counts as evidence)


** THIS CER IS ENTIRELY FICTIONAL UNLESS PROVEN ( NOT TESTED, JUST EXAMPLE)

People have. Quite a number of times.

Since your solution is so simple, free from error, requires no need for explanations, by your account reliable, and you are perfectly willing to take YouTube videos as evidence, here is exactly what you asked for (actually, three times the height you asked for!) and therefore your easy, reliable way to prove the Earth is flat has shown you that it is.



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Flat Earth General / Re: Globe earth Q&A
« on: February 16, 2023, 08:40:15 PM »
If the moon orbits the earth once a month, why is it visible at night for more than half the month?
Let us look at one arbitrary single day, then we can assume that the moon does not move during that day (that is of course not entirely true, but good enough for now).
The earth rotates once around its axis in 24 hours, meaning that the moon is above the horizon for 12 hours, every single day. The chance that these 12 hours are exactly during daytime is pretty slim, meaning that most nights we can see the moon, but not for the full night.
But we can do better: The phases of the moon are determined by its orientation with respect to the sun, meaning that during a full moon the sun has to be more or less exactly 'opposite' of the moon. And indeed, during a full moon the moon rises pretty much exactly when the sun sets and vice versa. During a half moon the moon is exactly at his highest position either during sunrise or sunset (depending on whether it is waxing or waning), and you will see it for half the night (a waxing moon from sunset to the middle of the night, a waning moon from the middle of the night to sunrise).

Also, since the moon moves around the earth once in ~27 days, we can calculate: 360 degress / 27 gives you roughly 15 degrees. That means that, if you observe the moon at two consecutive nights at the exact same time (a minute or two won't make a difference) from the same spot, it will have moved by 15 degrees. Alternatively, the moon will be at the same spot in the sky roughly one hour later (360 degrees / 24 hours gives a bit more than 15 degrees per hour). Pick a spot where you can see the moon cross a landmark (vanish behind a tree, for example), record the time that happens. The next day, go out about 50 minutes later and go to the same spot, you will see the moon vanishing behind that same tree at that time!
If you want to bring a stopwatch let me know, then I will do the exact calculations, the ones here are very approximate, I am probably off by ~10 minutes or so.

Edit: Just noticed this is my 1000th post on this forum..  :o

tl;dr

Answer: If you define "night" as whenever the sun is below the horizon, then the ONLY time the moon isn't visible at night is when it's directly in line with the sun (new moon). Why you think its visibility is linked to only half its orbit is puzzling.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: consider this "on earth" photo
« on: February 14, 2023, 10:38:19 AM »
Yep. It's amazing how only light rays from the sun that produce this phenomenon bend *just so* to account for this phenomenon at this time, but other light from other sources ignore the bendiness at the same time, or at any other time. Yay for bendy light (with no observational evidence)!

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The Lounge / Re: Random interesting facts you came across...
« on: February 06, 2023, 04:02:24 PM »
Random fact: I only just recently found out that Stay-Puft brand marshmallows (and the Stay-Puft marshmallow man) from Ghostbusters are fictional.

My mind had conflated Jet-Puffed brand marshmallows and the Michelin Man / Pillsbury Dough Boy look and I never really gave it a second thought.

Embarrasing? Kinda.

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The Lounge / Re: 7.8 Magnitude Earthquake in Turkey
« on: February 06, 2023, 03:36:31 PM »
2100 dead so far. I'm guessing it destroyed a lot of buildings.

Brutal...



Clearly falling faster than gravity.

(It is, after all Black Humor History Month)

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Tangible lit means "touchable"

One meaning. Not the only meaning. OP is using it correctly in its context.

Literally the stupidest argument you've made.


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      Please, just answer this 1 question. Okay? Here it is: Do you have any real, tangible proof that the Earth is flat? Just ANSWER it. And I don't want to hear: "Do u have any proof that the Earth is round?" No, I want to hear about the flat Earth. Some scientific proof not based on belief alone. And yes, it does look like the Earth is flat from my window, but I dont want to hear that either. Just give me some SMALL example of proof!!!!

       And also, you have no idea what the laws of gravity are because gravity pulls you to the center of the Earth, not the bottom, because there isn't one. The Earth is always rotating. Oh, and by the way, your belief on a "flat earth" seems to based primarily on the teachings, delusions, and misconceptions, of 1500's Europe. Get with the times!! And why would the government take the time to make everyone think the earth is round? Im sure they have more pressing matters. Well, thats all. PLEASE reply to my proof question. If you don't, hey thats just as good. Meaning you have no proof!!

Waaaaaaah! I want to show you're stupid so you must argue your position MY WAY exactly the way I want with no other thoughts or feelings and if you won't play by my rules YOU'RE WRONG! WAAAAAAAAAAAH!

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Any "debunking" that you are looking for to establish your superior argument over an opponent's argument relies on you and an opponent agreeing on a common set of assumptions. Some you may see as given and unquestionable, but the opponent may not. That's why some of these arguments go on endlessly with no progress, and cause frustrations on both sides, as what seems an obvious assumption to one is disputed by the other.

A refutation of your approach that is common among Flat Earthers or Zeteticists is "if I don't experience it, i can't trust it" and "everyone else is lying and falsifying data."

I have no confirming evidence that anything in your message is true, and that is isn't all just made up. I can just as easily say "debunk 'The Lord of the Rings'."

I know you're trying the "Great Gotcha" on Flat Earthers, but if you don't agree on a basic framework of assumptions (e.g., the entire world is *not* conspiring to deceive me") it won't get you anywhere.

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Flat Earth General / Re: South Pole is Fake
« on: January 12, 2023, 08:00:50 PM »
I don't know why you can't see it, but I can easily get to 89 59' 59" N and  89 59' 59" S on the web version of Google Earth, although for the north pole the registration between displayed long and lat versus the graphical overlay of the yellow long/lat lines is off by about 15".

And what do I attribute that to? A worldwide conspiracy that hundreds of years of confirmed observation are invalid and the truth is intentionally hidden and faked? Or that there's a bug in the code?

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Flat Earth General / Re: South Pole is Fake
« on: January 11, 2023, 09:18:46 PM »
Is there a single conspiracy theory that bulmabriefs doesn't embrace? It wasn't the Titanic that sank, but the Olympic? Black Knight satellite? Birds aren't real? Soylent Green is people?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The dip of the horizon
« on: December 27, 2022, 05:37:33 PM »
(1) Please provide evidence that your thought experiment has any basis in validity.

Using your formula, the change in angle between sitting down and standing up can be calculated. I give you a generous h = 2m (maybe you were sitting on the ground and jumped high in the air).

This gives an alpha of 3.16e-07 radians.

How fast does the sun move? 2 pi radians in 24 hours; 6.28 rad/86400 sec, so let's say you're super fast and can stand up in 0.1 sec. The sun moves 7.27e-06 radians in that time.

Your "qualitative" thought experiment fails. In perfect conditions, you cannot stand up fast enough to see the sun set twice. Even if you could stand up in half the time (50 ms) and jump 4m high.

(2) I'd like to see your procedure for "You can use a gyroscope to see exactly where your eye level is and measure the angle between your eye level and the horizon with a goniometer" with the precision necessary. Please include the model number for each piece of equipment along with the required calibration method and statistical methods for assuring accuracy.

That assumes also that you can see the horizon with sufficient clarity.

And last, you also assume that light travels in a straight line. Which it does not.

ADDED: JackBlack found the error in my (1) calculation (I used the small angle approximation where I should not have). So, theoretically this should work. Any actual observations where this is documented?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Cool Mission?
« on: December 27, 2022, 08:32:23 AM »
This thread ... turned into tl:dr.

Again, pretty obvious that bulmabriefs just trolling and fucking wif all y'all.

I guess it's fun as long as you're having fun. Me? Bored. Peace out.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Cool Mission?
« on: December 23, 2022, 01:05:21 PM »
Bulmabriefs clearly a troll.

Good job keeping us entertained!

But just like satire, it can only go on so long before it gets boring and repetitive.

You've reached it. Try someting new.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Cool Mission?
« on: December 15, 2022, 04:48:36 PM »
Bulmabriefs?

Water?

No air?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Cool Mission?
« on: December 15, 2022, 09:50:27 AM »
I guess in bulmabrief's world, wishing makes it not so.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Cool Mission?
« on: December 15, 2022, 08:13:51 AM »
Rockets can ignite without air. It's called oxidizer.



Where's the air?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Cool Mission?
« on: December 14, 2022, 08:58:35 AM »

Ohhh I'm sorry, you were gullible  enough to believe their math?

This with no air to combust, and no friction to push off of.

We have zero proof that this speed is maintained because it's happening offscreen. We have zero proof that when it started to angle left or right, as you see in EVERY space mission that doesn't blow up, that they didn't in fact fly to some unpopulated area instead.

Remember, the goal of any system is to make profit.

Your incorrect math, your conclusion. No one else's.

Oxidizer. Rockets don't get primary force by pushing off air.

Telemetry. Photography.

No.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Cool Mission?
« on: December 13, 2022, 07:48:56 AM »

Btw, the average spaceship is supposed to travel around 25,000 to 40,000 mph. 140 million miles away? Based on the distance to Mars, this takes about 15 years.

Btw, it takes several minutes to even take off. I have a hard time believing even the 25,000 mph estimate.

 I've looked at the actual amount of time it would take to get to Mars.

Having a spot of bother with basic arithmetic?

You totally botched it.

5 to 8 months, if you do the calculation correctly.

Since you can't even get a simple arithmetic problem correct, (and then base an entire belief system on it) your credibility on mathematical or scientific "analysis" is pretty well shot.

Thanks for playing, but now it's time for you to let the grown-ups talk.

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