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Messages - Jura-Glenlivet II

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Everything you have posted screams intelligent design here.

To you it might, but you have already admitted you like simple explanations and you have faith in an old desert religion and incredulity.

Me? I prefer the complexity and beauty of raw nature; I see no design other than stuff fitting to their environs because that environment shaped their descendants accordingly.

The incredulity argument of ďbut look at all the perfectly lined up stuff that has to happenĒ is flawed (for me) because once self-replication starts it has had almost innumerable instances to adapt over a time scale people seem not to be able to comprehend.

The best explanation I have come across is, if you take the time life has existed on earth as the span of your arms, then the whole history of Homo sapiens would disappear with one stroke of a nail file.

I wonít bang on much more as I wonít convince you of anything and for me the proof is overwhelming, we live in different worlds, I just happen to think mine has more beauty but unfortunately, zero interest in whether we survive in it or not.   

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Greta
« on: October 16, 2019, 06:50:41 AM »

A wonderful snap shot of pure disgust as she spots the bloated asshole as he enters the room, would have been perfect if someone had slipped her a hatchet at that moment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-49804334/when-greta-thunberg-saw-president-trump

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And your alternative would be? A guiding hand, but one that introduces random birth defects and miscarriages? Nice.

Yes. Kind of like someone creating a base program, characters and AI..then letting it go.


Or you could dispense with that, as you will always have the problem where did the helping hand come from?

Instead have a mind-numbingly large number of planets around truly astounding amounts of suns of many different types across an unimaginable amount of space under radically differing conditions and give it a few billion years, you never know.

The good thing about all that is, you donít end up with the god bollocks.

Unless of course, in its early stages a nascent intelligence sees patterns, and because it has made patterns itself, and because it doesnít have answers yet, as not enough giants have risen to see above the woodsmoke from their shoulders, so it attributes those patterns to a designer, as it has understandably little comprehension of the size, age and diversity out there, how could it? Four score year and ten and 5 foot 9, hardly a yard stick for the age and size of a star, let alone a system etcetera. It tries to, it really does, but often spectacularly fails due to its ability to overegg its own intelligence, augmented as it is by you-tube and its ability to text, forgetting in the process that itís part of the same species that came up with celebrity love Island and Scrappy Doo, and of course that old god virus is still there muddying the mind, because death is still a thing to be feared and no way were the priests ever going to give that little gig up, so theyíd introduced hell, apostasy and excommunication because god can love you only so far before he burns you forever, caring as he is, so science the long awaited shoulders that take us above the shortened view is tainted by superstition, the inevitable false starts and broken promises, therefore contradictions abound, and we end up here.

What was the question again?     

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The Lounge / Re: The Joker
« on: October 15, 2019, 07:54:49 AM »

I canít say I actually liked it. Yes Phoenix was very very good but for me it didnít paint a person that would go on to become any Joker I have previously seen, the insane streak was there but instead of a criminal genius the portrayal was of a deluded loner who would be the last person in Gotham able to forge an underworld empire.   

If it had been done as a standalone film about insanity and marginalisation with no links to batman it would have been a dark tale with some disturbing correlations to happenings in US psyche, and (the kicker) probably wouldnít have made as much, to weld it to the DC franchise didnít work for me.     

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Flat Earth General / Re: Steven Novellaís take on FE believers
« on: October 15, 2019, 07:27:30 AM »
On 3 May 2018, Steven Novella analyzed the modern belief in a flat Earth, and concluded that, despite what most people think about the subject, the believers are being sincere in their belief that the Earth is flat, and are not "just saying that to wind us up". He stated that:

In the end that is the core malfunction of the flat-earthers, and the modern populist rejection of expertise in general. It is a horrifically simplistic view of the world that ignores (partly out of ignorance, and partly out of motivated reasoning) to [sic] real complexities of our civilization. It is ultimately lazy, childish, and self-indulgent, resulting in a profound level of ignorance drowning in motivated reasoning.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_flat_Earth_societies#Internet-era_resurgence

Is this just another representative of the conspiracy, another so-called expert trying to make FE believers look bad, or is there truth in what he says?

EDIT: I am not, for some reason, able to apply italics to the first two paragraphs. Sorry for that.

There you go!

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The Lounge / Re: Thinking about getting a new pet
« on: October 15, 2019, 07:18:17 AM »

I saw (not touched) one of the Apollo 11 moon-rock (more speck) samples that Nixon gave to our Prime minister at the time (Wilson), that was (probably still is) at the National Space centre at Leicester, they also have a Moon rock from the last Moon landing, Apollo 17, collected by Eugene Cernan and Harrison Schmidt at Shorty Crater, but I donít recall seeing that.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Pink Floyd
« on: October 14, 2019, 02:27:48 PM »

Time!

I like this reaction video to it, makes me smile.


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The Lounge / Re: Thinking about getting a new pet
« on: October 14, 2019, 04:50:20 AM »

I had a bit of meteorite, it seemed to be a model pet, turns out it was abducting and probing my fossil collection.

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After seeing my little one born last weekend, it really got me thinking again. Seeing the automation of the human body, everything having to work together before, then and after. There are too many 100s million trillion variables to get just to this point..

Congratulations. Give her roots to grow and wings to fly.

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No way it's random luck ..zero

And your alternative would be? A guiding hand, but one that introduces random birth defects and miscarriages? Nice.

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The Lounge / Re: Where is Jura?
« on: October 06, 2019, 12:03:00 PM »

We sold the whisky business decades ago, and frankly it's gone a bit tits since, I don't drink it and i definitely don't drink Jura either, at the moment i have Talisker and a fine blended Japanese "Nika from the Barrel" @ 51.4% it's grand.

I would try these for the hell of it, but wouldn't expect much.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Botham Jean's Christian family
« on: October 05, 2019, 01:16:27 PM »

It's not the mistakes that are the problem it's the reaction to those mistakes.

A few years ago We booked a holiday cottage on the Dingle peninsular in southern Ireland, the property was 2 miles out of a small village, the directions said we would know it as the key would be in the door, so we arrived on this road about 10 at night in a fog that had took us down to 10 miles per hour, we spotted a house I got out and went to the door and there was a key in it, so I went in, and there was a little old lady sitting having supper.
Freeze frame: At that time my look was part Mad-Max road warrior part vampire, in the US, she could have pulled a gun and legitimately killed me.
To give her dues she hardly batted an eyelid, just said hello, I profoundly apologised and explained why I was interrupting her evening and she said think nothing of it and gave me directions, nobody died, nobody should die in circumstances where a genuine mistake is made, except in the US.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Botham Jean's Christian family
« on: October 04, 2019, 06:45:06 AM »

I have to admit Iíd never heard of this, but on looking it up and seeing the situation from the poor guys shoes, in that he was sitting on his sofa eating ice-cream when a random woman walks in and blows him away, and then she submits a plea that is basically self-defence, I think it shows what a fucked up country she came from.

As for the religious angle, fine, but how does this kind of pointless death keep happening in apparently the most devout country in the ďwestĒ, where the default seems to be shoot to kill at the drop of a hat, or is  it just the non-believers pulling triggers, from my scant knowledge of the dominant creed in the US, isnít there a commandment not to kill?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: September 24, 2019, 01:21:53 PM »
Leftfield;





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The Lounge / Re: Storming Area 51
« on: September 21, 2019, 02:19:00 PM »

Rest in Peace Mike.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is this art?
« on: September 20, 2019, 06:36:24 AM »
Yeah but did you jump into the bay?

Sorry, I feel I've missed a meme here.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Which FE gravitation theory makes more sense?
« on: September 20, 2019, 03:06:48 AM »

So your creator is a lousy architect, not taking into account the relative pressure on his dome, and an even worse forward planner, in not having a fire team in case of failure, Iím not sure we can trust this guy.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is this art?
« on: September 20, 2019, 02:32:28 AM »

We were invited to Lincoln Universities end of year exhibition of work a few years ago, rooms of work done by the various faculties of art, some of the sculptures were excellent and the jewellery was really good but the room with Art Installations was risible, a sizable work of hay bales arranged in a spiral and section of plaster-board with a hammer stuck in it with some hazard tape across it were memorable in a, you have got to be kidding kind of way.

We, (my partner and I) listened to some guy who was clearly one of the tutors, explaining conceptually why a frame made of plastic guttering with a photo of a river in it had exited him, my partner saw me glancing towards the hammer, took my hand and led me to the fire door where we stood discussing how its bold use of natureís warning colour, belied the underlying comfort of its form in a dangerous situation, although we clashed on whether its opening redness in perilous circumstance was a yearning for a return to the womb.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: September 19, 2019, 02:55:38 PM »

SLAM!


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The Lounge / Re: A werepenguin development
« on: September 19, 2019, 06:14:26 AM »

It's happening!

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Thunder is the drumming hooves of Sleipnir.



I have read hundreds of books,  they mad it the bad guy. I think though that the most threaths come from:


 Be faithful.



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The Lounge / Re: Storming Area 51
« on: September 19, 2019, 12:33:32 AM »

They tried moving the aliens to a black site in Saudi Arabia via wormhole, something went awry and they're blaming the Iranians.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Favorite YouTube channels
« on: September 18, 2019, 02:19:45 PM »

A guy who goes round the free pianos on the London train stations and plays with members of the public, i spend ages here.


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is this art?
« on: September 17, 2019, 03:57:02 AM »


Ok, fuck it, the supposed thing with this is someone that supports Trump will say it isn't art. Someone that does not will think it's art.

So your OP was that Trumpers are simplistic people with little education, and are proud of the fact?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Is this art?
« on: September 17, 2019, 02:23:29 AM »


I think itís a piece of crap that I wouldnít give house room, it might go on the fridge if my children had done it (at about 4-5yrs old), but not for long, which is why Iíd make a terrible art critic and parent. I would however rather have that on my wall than piss on Trump if he was on fire, does that give you an answer?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Logical error of heaven&hell
« on: September 17, 2019, 01:21:51 AM »
I think Iíve relayed this before but probably on the other site.

When I was about 9, we had (religious) Assemblies in the morning where we would sing hymns, it was a bind, and nobody really got anything out of it other than a numb arse. This one morning the song to sing was Amazing Grace, itís not a bad tune but Iíd never paid much attention to the words, but as I sang this particular verse I was struck by an immense wave of dread and mortal horror, such as only a child of that age can feel about the vastness of time and space.

When we've been there ten thousand years
Bright, shining as the sun
We've no less days to sing God's praise
Than when we first begun

What this seemed to be saying, was that, sitting here, bored out of my skull singing a song to a deity I really didnít have faith in, that should I get to heaven then all I would do for 10ís or 1,000ís of thousands of years, would be morning assembly, I decided then that a god who would even countenance putting people through that sort of torture for its own aggrandisement (should one even exist) was not for me. 

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: September 16, 2019, 02:48:10 PM »
One more.



OK two


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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Now Playing
« on: September 16, 2019, 02:37:11 PM »

Mesmerising


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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Name one, please...
« on: September 16, 2019, 07:25:53 AM »

No Wolowitz.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Logical error of heaven&hell
« on: September 16, 2019, 06:08:55 AM »

Maybe any deity becomes confused, listening to the prayers of millions of people all of whom see a different aspect of their maker, interpreting his wishes to align with their own.

Sports people asking for faster times or spectacular goals to enhance their standing, students asking for the question that they have learned to be on the paper before them, a nice day for their excursion, revenge on those who have slighted them, all wanting their god to answer their prayers.

Schizophrenia, confusion and disillusion must follow.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Logical error of heaven&hell
« on: September 16, 2019, 04:32:37 AM »
Iím suing the bastard for psychological cruelty, harassment and neglect.

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