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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Maximum tilt of FE?
« on: September 16, 2008, 07:26:10 AM »
Thanks Steve (I liked your old nick better, it felt friendlier)

DE surface tension.

Anyone else?

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Maximum tilt of FE?
« on: September 16, 2008, 07:19:34 AM »
All we can conclude is that its thickness is radially symmetrical.

Thats right..

I fail to understand your coin-in-honey example though. The coin would eventually sink with the edge first, because A the coin is "heavier" than the honey, and B the edge first would pose the least resistance.

If FE on DE would work like a boat floating on water, that would be stable.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: If the earth is constantly accelarating upwards...
« on: September 16, 2008, 07:12:45 AM »
..As proof of this, take a row boat..

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Maximum tilt of FE?
« on: September 16, 2008, 07:11:16 AM »
So we can conclude that Earth is evenly thick.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: If the earth is constantly accelarating upwards...
« on: September 16, 2008, 07:04:47 AM »
I take it its constantly having to fly upwards?

Yes it does. Thats why planes have wings and move trough air.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Maximum tilt of FE?
« on: September 16, 2008, 07:02:37 AM »
Dark Energy balances the Earth. It is at its most stable when aligned with its direction of acceleration.

How?
Rotation?

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Maximum tilt of FE?
« on: September 16, 2008, 06:44:24 AM »
That is math even I can work out.. I hope.

0.1 arc second of a whole turn = 1 / 12 960 000 ?

With that kind of odds, something must have set the tilt exactly right from the beginning, and/or realigning it when needed. There must be some sort of balancing mechanism?

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Maximum tilt of FE?
« on: September 16, 2008, 04:56:39 AM »
I cant believe Im back..

Well, what do you believe could be the maximum tilt of Earth, before we would feel it, being pulled sideways, water moving (more than tides), and so on? Or even measure it with fex a water level pointed to horizons.

Tilt relative to direction of UA, in degrees starting from 0 as straight "upwards".

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Forces on you and me (w illustration)
« on: September 01, 2008, 12:41:45 PM »
We are talking about whether earth is rotating or not.
Your answer is no. Ok, ive written that down very carefully in my blue little notebook.

Ill check here in a week, see if something happened.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Forces on you and me (w illustration)
« on: September 01, 2008, 11:52:22 AM »
Really RET needs to get together and come up with a common theme for what causes gravity.  Some say mass, some say bend in space/time, some say rotation causes it, some say the magnetic field, other its an unproven thing called gravitrons.  Call me when RE is united.

I would say RE is quite united in the belief that Earth rotates..

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Forces on you and me (w illustration)
« on: September 01, 2008, 11:37:45 AM »
I dont know whats hard to understand with my illustration. Its really simple, its simple because ive made it.

Put a ball on a plate, accelerate the plate towards the ball, ball stick to plate. If youre the ball you feel pushed towards the plate.
Rotate the plate, ball rolls of the plate. If youre the ball, you feel dragged out the edge.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Forces on you and me (w illustration)
« on: September 01, 2008, 11:30:37 AM »
Every single arrow on that thing is the wrong way round.
I believe not.

UA pushes up from below.
*sigh* I know that. It accelerates earth upwards, the resulting felt force on the guy in the illustration is down.

Gravity (if FE'ers admit that it exists) pulls inwards (and isn't caused by rotation).
The arrows points inwards.
And some think its caused by rotation.

Cenripetal force is inwards (in order to maintain circular motion).
Once again, ive illustrated the force acting on "you and me", the guy in the illustration.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Forces on you and me (w illustration)
« on: September 01, 2008, 11:26:24 AM »
There is no rotation in FET.

What? I was told otherwise..
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22567.msg464914#msg464914
You FE:ers really need a unified agenda. Or you dont, so you can confuse everone even more.

Which one is it?

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Forces on you and me (w illustration)
« on: September 01, 2008, 11:15:23 AM »
The UA's below us. Your thing wouldn't work at all.

Its the direction of the red arrows that matters.. Ive just showed the direction of resulting force on the person.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Forces on you and me (w illustration)
« on: September 01, 2008, 11:08:54 AM »
I just wanted to work out what forces that work on us here on earths surface..

Missed anything?

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Bendy light: The maths
« on: September 01, 2008, 10:30:03 AM »
Interresting. How would the laser meassure?

In RET, they would measure a geodesic in spacetime. In FET with the EA, they would trace out a parabolic path in space. I am not certain what geometric shape this would correspond to in spacetime.

EA? Earth Accelerator?
Speaking of which, does this affect time as well?

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Ultimate and easyily doable EA experiment.
« on: September 01, 2008, 10:26:05 AM »
Or

Take two mirrors. Bounce a laser between them, and while the lasers on, adjust one mirror so the laser bounces back and forth in one place. Then, measure the distance between the edges of the mirrors to see if they are aligned or not. That could also be measured with laser, even if its bent its bent equal at both edges.

Basically the same but from the other way around.. Less error?

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Bendy light: The maths
« on: September 01, 2008, 06:10:58 AM »
A particle beam would measure a geodesic in spacetime, not in space.

Interresting. How would the laser meassure?

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Ultimate and easyily doable EA experiment.
« on: September 01, 2008, 05:59:11 AM »
Kind of my idea in the thread about the wire and the trees.. Although its dangerous proposing someting, then you have to go out and actually perform the expirement. So, just do it(tm)!

I dont think this one is doable though, not with hobby equipment and layman knowledge. The errors would be to great because the bending is quite modest compared to the scale of the apparatus.

Maybe this one could be simplified even further though?

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Earth doesnt look flat?
« on: August 31, 2008, 03:11:27 PM »
So how is the bent light theory (BLT hehe) going? How many FE-followers?

I just wanted to remind everyone that if you do believe in BLT, then you also admit that earth looks like a sphere. So if you support BLT, which I think is a great theory btw, be careful with your basic arguments like "earth looks flat, therefore its probably flat".

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: All you Flat Earth Believers, Try this:
« on: August 31, 2008, 03:01:47 PM »
The earth looks like a plane so therefore it's a plane by pretense. The burden is on you to prove that it is actually a globe. You're the one making the claim beyond human experience here.

According to all FE'ers who put their faith in the bent-light-theory, earth does look like a sphere. Even you seem to support that theory Tom:

This seems to be further evidence that light bends upwards. Thanks dyno.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« on: August 31, 2008, 02:50:08 PM »
So there is no scientific discussion here, I cant prove you wrong and you cant prove me wrong.

Exactly. No win. Never ending discussions. Endless pastime.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Can you disprove the Flat Earth Theory?
« on: August 31, 2008, 02:26:20 PM »
Some say that the bottom of the FE shields the top of the FE from the effects of the DE/UA.  Apparently you believe that at lest some of the DE/UA completely penetrates the FE.  Tell me, if enough of the DE/UA penetrates the FE to affect the path of light, why is nothing else affected by that same DE/UA.

According to the theory, as I understood it, is that DE affects matter and radiation differently.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airflight
« on: August 31, 2008, 10:47:07 AM »
If you know earth is flat, then it doesnt appear round for you.

It looks round when viewed from far away.

You said appear..

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airflight
« on: August 31, 2008, 10:29:40 AM »
If you know earth is flat, then it doesnt appear round for you.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airflight
« on: August 31, 2008, 08:36:32 AM »
Then maybe you should stop describing Earth as a sphere.
It looks like one from afar. That doesn't mean that it is one.

Is this the "official" viewpoint of the FE-society?

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airflight
« on: August 31, 2008, 08:21:51 AM »
So, you are saying that the Earth appears round.

From FAQ:
Q: "Why do you guys believe the Earth is flat?"
A:  Well, it looks that way up close. ...

In other words, it appears round, but it looks flat up close.. Nice description of a sphere.

It isn't a sphere, though. It doesn't make any sense for it to be that way.

Then maybe you should stop describing the shape of Earth as a sphere.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« on: August 31, 2008, 08:20:53 AM »
Quote
That experiment cannot prove that it is the light bending up, because you would get the same results if the surface of the earth was curved.
But it's not curved. I don't see any reason to assume that the entire earth is curving when clearly it's only a few photons which are doing the curving.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is what I call Belief.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Airflight
« on: August 31, 2008, 08:10:48 AM »
A round earth answer.  Nice.

No, what I described was an explanation for why the Earth appears round in FET.

So, you are saying that the Earth appears round.

From FAQ:
Q: "Why do you guys believe the Earth is flat?"
A:  Well, it looks that way up close. ...

In other words, it appears round, but it looks flat up close.. Nice description of a sphere.

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##### Flat Earth Debate / Re: Looking for an intelligent argument.
« on: August 28, 2008, 11:17:51 AM »
Try to break this equation:
1 = 1

Win for RE!!

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