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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: August 17, 2020, 08:58:26 AM »
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Sorry, standing in a line waiting to vote or go shopping = standing in a line.

I am unsure of what is so difficult to understand...but then again...I need to consider it is you replying and all...

There are a multitude of factors you have to take into consideration, even around just standing in line. There's the duration of which you may need to wait at a polling station versus the check out line at, for example, Trader Joes; the longer you stand, the greater the risk of exposure - I wouldn't want to go to a polling station in Georgia, for instance:


https://bipartisanpolicy.org/report/the-2018-voting-experience/

As well, polling stations can be anywhere. From the basement of the local library to some neighbor's garage. Could be a tight, confined space to a large airy one. There will probably be some guidelines for the stations, like perhaps halving the number of booths to maintain distance which ostensibly could double wait times. More time, more risk of exposure.
Major grocery stores probably have their sanitation protocols down fairly solid by now. I'm not sure Polling Station #212 down the street in Jimmy's garage will be entirely compliant with CDC recommendations.

Lastly, I don't know the percentage of people who shop in person, but I personally haven't been in a grocery store in months. Everything is delivered. And maybe a lot of older and/or compromised people get delivery or friends/relatives do the shopping for them. Or, at a minimum these older and/or compromised people try and limit their public exposure as much as conceivably possible. So given the opportunity to absentee vote/vote by mail would be just yet another opportunity to not mingle with the masses.

Overall, vote by mail works. As you can see by the above chart the States not listed were over 80% vote by mail in 2018. No fraud, no nothing. It just worked. So why not create an opportunity for people to vote when they don't feel comfortable doing it in person. I mean all of the Trumps vote by mail.
Overall, vote by mail does not work.

Do you ever provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims? "Overall, vote by mail does not work." Ummm, how so? What does that even mean, it doesn't work? In the chart as I explained, 5 or so States have more than 80% mail in votes and have had no problems. In other words, it does work. What makes you say it doesn't?
You ignored this key sentence from your source in your typically disingenuous way.

Christ, you are so transparent.

"The good news is that despite the surge in turnout in 2018, unacceptably long lines to vote were infrequent. Among in-person voters, only 6% reported waiting more than 30 minutes before they could cast a ballot."

In other words, the amount of time to vote doesn't even exceed the average time spent at a grocery store or any other retailer.
You are so wrong is it laughable.

Do you ever provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims? You're not even saying what's wrong. What about what I wrote is wrong?
See above shitbird.
Your BS revisionist history tactics per 1984 don't work with me.

Do you ever provide any evidence or maybe even just a smidge of logic for your claims? What in the world are you talking about? What is revisionist or Orwellian about this?
See above shitbird.
People have always had the opportunity to file for an absentee ballot.

Yeah, and, what's your point?
Voting by mail is a process requiring certain steps to be taken...not enacted post haste or ad hoc for no valid reason.

It is minimized for a reason.

The push for voting by mail as mandatory as protection against corona is just BS fear tactics.

You mean "mandatory" as in you can ONLY vote by mail? If so, who is pushing for "mandatory" vote by mail only?
Most dumb democrats like yourself.

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Proof that social distancing, hand hygiene and staying home if you're sick (all the measures used to combat the corone) work.

At the same time, despite those measures being taken hundreds of people are still getting knocked off by the corone and thousands more infected or hospitalised. A lot of those who recover come out with lingering damage too

How do people think it's all a hoax or just as Trump puts it 'a little flu'?

Fake news!
People didn't go to the doctor if they only had a mild-medium cold, thus less influenza tests, thus less lab confirmed influenza cases.

Quit shit posting in a thread like this. What happened to you?

Other metrics can also be used to determine the fact that less people got the flu overall by the fact there have been very few deaths caused by influenza

For example only 36 people have died from the actual flu this year in Australia compared to 430 same time last year

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-23/coronavirus-restrictions-cause-flu-cases-to-drop-australia/12480190

The data you posted wasnt proving what you claimed it proved. Deal with it.

Why dont you prove your claim?

While society has tried to crush the r0 value of the corona virus it has clearly subsequently crushed the r0 values of all the other viruses such as influenza and the common cold even. You disagree for.... reasons

(anecdotally I have not even had a single cold all year whereas I normally get them back to back through winter)

The other thing to note is not a single death of influenza has been recorded this Winter in Australia.

The graph I posted showed a sharp decline in recorded Influenza cases at the same time the country went into lockdown and did the whole social distancing and hygiene thing. There has been no other year like this.

So again, prove your counter point or quit the shit posting of your loony conspiritard theories
A noted shitposter believes the flu numbers would or could possibly vary that wildly from year to year.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: August 17, 2020, 08:50:03 AM »
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?
??? Did I imply that one was safer than the other?  These days you're taking your life into your own hands every time you go out.
You implied their death, should it occur, would be on Trump's hands...

Hilarious!!!
If someone catches and dies from covid because of standing in line to vote because they couldn't vote by mail, then it would be Trump's fault.
How the fuck would it be Trump's fault?

Trump doesn't establish the rules for how to carry out an election.
Just like it can be argued that Ben Carson's death is Trump's fault because Carson went to a Trump rally where there was no social distancing and hardly any masks worn.
You are an idiot.

Ben Carson is still alive.

The syphilis is finally eating away the remainder of brain.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: August 17, 2020, 07:53:30 AM »
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?
??? Did I imply that one was safer than the other?  These days you're taking your life into your own hands every time you go out.
You implied their death, should it occur, would be on Trump's hands...

Hilarious!!!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: August 17, 2020, 07:51:49 AM »
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Sorry, standing in a line waiting to vote or go shopping = standing in a line.

I am unsure of what is so difficult to understand...but then again...I need to consider it is you replying and all...

There are a multitude of factors you have to take into consideration, even around just standing in line. There's the duration of which you may need to wait at a polling station versus the check out line at, for example, Trader Joes; the longer you stand, the greater the risk of exposure - I wouldn't want to go to a polling station in Georgia, for instance:


https://bipartisanpolicy.org/report/the-2018-voting-experience/

As well, polling stations can be anywhere. From the basement of the local library to some neighbor's garage. Could be a tight, confined space to a large airy one. There will probably be some guidelines for the stations, like perhaps halving the number of booths to maintain distance which ostensibly could double wait times. More time, more risk of exposure.
Major grocery stores probably have their sanitation protocols down fairly solid by now. I'm not sure Polling Station #212 down the street in Jimmy's garage will be entirely compliant with CDC recommendations.

Lastly, I don't know the percentage of people who shop in person, but I personally haven't been in a grocery store in months. Everything is delivered. And maybe a lot of older and/or compromised people get delivery or friends/relatives do the shopping for them. Or, at a minimum these older and/or compromised people try and limit their public exposure as much as conceivably possible. So given the opportunity to absentee vote/vote by mail would be just yet another opportunity to not mingle with the masses.

Overall, vote by mail works. As you can see by the above chart the States not listed were over 80% vote by mail in 2018. No fraud, no nothing. It just worked. So why not create an opportunity for people to vote when they don't feel comfortable doing it in person. I mean all of the Trumps vote by mail.
Overall, vote by mail does not work.

You are so wrong is it laughable.

Your BS revisionist history tactics per 1984 don't work with me.

People have always had the opportunity to file for an absentee ballot.

The push for voting by mail as mandatory as protection against corona is just BS fear tactics.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: August 17, 2020, 07:49:08 AM »
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Sorry, standing in a line waiting to vote or go shopping = standing in a line.

I am unsure of what is so difficult to understand...but then again...I need to consider it is you replying and all...
Yeeessss....

Now what about the people who are NOT standing in line to shop, dumbass?
Well, what about them?

Those people are choosing not to go shopping.

Their choice.

Just like it would be their choice to file for an absentee ballot.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: August 17, 2020, 07:47:17 AM »
Are you (lackless) saykng that you do your shopping in a tiny booth with a curtain?

Or are you saying you shop at the only store available in a town of 100,000s and npt only that, the only store for all neighbouring towns, and thst store is only open 9-5?
Now a virus is cogent enough to determine where you happen to be standing once you reach your destination...

LOL!!!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: August 17, 2020, 05:06:02 AM »
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

One can be done by delivery or proxy. 
The other can't.(Not anymore anyway)
Sorry, standing in a line waiting to vote or go shopping = standing in a line.

I am unsure of what is so difficult to understand...but then again...I need to consider it is you replying and all...

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I gave you an example of Conservative quarantine protests where no one got hurt and no property was damaged, and then I gave you an example of left wing riot where billions of dollars worth of damage occurred, where police officers got hurt, where an innocent white kid died.

Civil war.  That was you guys.  Remember that one?  Go slavery.

Going to take a lot of liberal riots to make up for that one.

You want to talk about peaceful right wing folk?  How about all the abortion clinic bombings. Right wing terrorists.  Very peaceful, yup.

Charlottesville?  One dead woman, a whole bunch of angry racists.  Nazi's and White Supremacists uniting the right.  Right wing folk are such good people, at least according to Trump. And the GOP who courts them. Your people, not liberals.

What about the multiple synagogue shootings? Right wingers shooting churches.  Good job, how very Christian.

How about the police and officers shot by those members of the boogaloo movement? Right wing extremists shooting cops. It's good when you do it?

You guys are by far the biggest threat to America. More than foreign terrorists, you guys kill more Americans than anyone else.
Hmmm...

There have been over 440 murders in Chicago alone this year, mostly black people.

But they aren't Americcans, right?

Racist slimeball you are.

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Multiculturalism never worked in any country. It creates automatic division among the people. The world we are living in is too diverse for all of us to get along. We were never meant to mingle or live in the same country. Now back to topic. If Trump loses I will probably move to Antarctica and look for New Berlin under the ice lol

Ever eat a Chinese/Indian etc restaurant? Multiculturalism

Ever learn martial arts like karate or tawkwondo? Multiculturism

Wore clothing in another countries style? Multiculturalism

Ever embraced/learned about another faith? Multiculturism

Ever seen interracial couples get along? Multiculturism

Ever watched a movie that had foreign actors/writers/place setting/staff etc? Multiculturalism

If you can't get along or embrace a culture of another without fear of losing your own identity that only shows you are a horrid/petty/racist SOB and that it is YOU not the concept of multiculturalism that is the problem.

You are what makes your own country stink.
Imagine citing all these instances of multiculturalism and at the same time labeling the country having the most examples of it as terrible...

Makes one wonder if there truly is a brain there, AI or not.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden?
« on: August 17, 2020, 03:19:33 AM »
And if Trump has his way, then people will literally (not figuratively) have to risk their lives in order to vote in person.
What is the objective difference between waiting in a six foot spaced line at the grocery store or waiting in a six foot spaced line at the voting booth?

Is the virus aware of where you are located and only targets specific lines?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Mail in voting
« on: August 03, 2020, 05:50:30 AM »
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01/885074932/n-j-election-fraud-case-draws-a-trump-tweet-but-suggests-safeguards-are-working

Here's a better article.  Honestly Lackey, didn't you see Trump's tweet about this last month?


Also: they got caught.  Which means the security systems work.  Sounds safe eh?

Also also, just curious, do you know the difference between a mail in ballot and an absentee ballot?  Like physically?
20 percent of the vote will not count.

That sounds great to you, doesn't it!

Yes, I know the difference.

Really?  Thats surprising.  Do tell.  What is the difference?


And you do realize why that 20% happens, right?  Or are you just stupid?
Absentee balloting is what takes place if you are otherwise not going to be able to be physically present at your normal place of voting the day of election (i.e., out of country, etc.)

Voting by mail is different.

Both are votes by mail, but mail is not absentee voting.

Gonna hinge the 20 percent of the votes being not counted on why it took place for "reasons," right Dave?

What a joke...

I asked what their physical differences was, ya nit whit.  Not procedural.

And how are they not the same?  There is literally no difference between a mail in ballot arriving at an election official and an absentee ballot.  0.  In fact, if I gave you one of each, you couldn't tell them apart.


As for the rejections: late arrivals and signature mis-match  are the main reasons for rejection.  Or should we allow any signature?  And any tardiness?

You are literally complaining about security measures being used, you know that, right?
Lorddave - "I am cool with 20 percent of the votes not counting."

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Mail in voting
« on: August 03, 2020, 05:18:55 AM »
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01/885074932/n-j-election-fraud-case-draws-a-trump-tweet-but-suggests-safeguards-are-working

Here's a better article.  Honestly Lackey, didn't you see Trump's tweet about this last month?


Also: they got caught.  Which means the security systems work.  Sounds safe eh?

Also also, just curious, do you know the difference between a mail in ballot and an absentee ballot?  Like physically?
20 percent of the vote will not count.

That sounds great to you, doesn't it!

Yes, I know the difference.

Really?  Thats surprising.  Do tell.  What is the difference?


And you do realize why that 20% happens, right?  Or are you just stupid?
Absentee balloting is what takes place if you are otherwise not going to be able to be physically present at your normal place of voting the day of election (i.e., out of country, etc.)

Voting by mail is different.

Both are votes by mail, but mail is not absentee voting.

Gonna hinge the 20 percent of the votes being not counted on why it took place for "reasons," right Dave?

What a joke...

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There is not. At least, not one that you or I have access to. You'll need to reach out to an admin about that, either directly or just wait for them to see this thread.
Okay.

I am reaching out scg or John or Lord Wilmore or whoever...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Mail in voting
« on: August 03, 2020, 04:36:41 AM »
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/01/885074932/n-j-election-fraud-case-draws-a-trump-tweet-but-suggests-safeguards-are-working

Here's a better article.  Honestly Lackey, didn't you see Trump's tweet about this last month?


Also: they got caught.  Which means the security systems work.  Sounds safe eh?

Also also, just curious, do you know the difference between a mail in ballot and an absentee ballot?  Like physically?
20 percent of the vote will not count.

That sounds great to you, doesn't it!

Yes, I know the difference.

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I wonder why they didn't land out in the open on the booster?

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Suggestions & Concerns / Is there a delete option like the other site?
« on: August 03, 2020, 04:30:25 AM »
By delete, I mean my account...

Question is in the title

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Mail in voting
« on: August 03, 2020, 04:01:00 AM »
https://neonnettle.com/news/11804-trump-proved-right-democrats-charged-with-mail-in-voter-fraud

Worried about your health?

Your worry is not based in object truth.

"Recent data has not shown a compelling public health justification for mail-in voting.In Wisconsinís April election, only 52 of more than 400,000 voters and poll workers were confirmed to have contracted the Chinese coronavirus. None of those cases were fatal.This equals an infection rate below two-hundredths of one percent."

Worried about your vote counting?

"Grewal confirmed that almost 20 percent of the mail-in votes cast were thrown out by the Board of Elections."

People who want their vote to count should be against mail in voting.

Finally, if you won the lottery, would you trust the ability to get your money by mailing the winning ticket?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Cypriot hacker extradited to the US
« on: August 03, 2020, 03:49:36 AM »
The things that outage you and the things that don't sometimes surprises me.
I have no idea why you would be surprised boydster...

Pez thinks it is the fault of the person being robbed for having the money in the first place...

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There may or may not be a perfectly accurate count, but all of those people who are filling ICU beds in Florida, Texas, California and most of the rest of the country/world had to get the virus from somewhere.  Where do you think they got it?
As stated earlier, you do not know if they have the virus.
Lackey, are you suggesting that the tests are zero percent accurate?
Where have I done that?

I have provided sources stating they are not accurate.

Plus, you have the fact the hospital receives $11,000 for every positive case reported.

That makes it a money maker and more than likely skews the numbers.
You do not know if anyone is pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic.

The do not even know if people actually have the virus itself.

They have admitted this.

Healthy people should not wear masks.
Again, that's exactly why healthy people should be wearing masks: because you don't know if you have the virus until it's too late.

By your logic, healthy people don't need to wash their hands or social distance either.
Incorrect.

Past practice dictates sound procedure.

Past practice has always included good hygiene and remaining home when you are sick, not masks for healthy people.

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When you do not know the actual count of people who have the virus, due to the fact you admit the tests you are administering can indicate a reading of positive even if you have another type of coronavirus, such as those that cause colds, I fail to see how you can possibly determine how it is transmitted.
Does the test need to be 100% accurate to conclude that the virus is spreading among the general public? 
If you do not know if you are actually detecting the virus, then you cannot state you have a spreading virus.
There may or may not be a perfectly accurate count, but all of those people who are filling ICU beds in Florida, Texas, California and most of the rest of the country/world had to get the virus from somewhere.  Where do you think they got it?
As stated earlier, you do not know if they have the virus.

Period.

The CDC admits this.
Why is masking in public not a good hygiene practice?
Because it has deleterious effects on users, requires frequent adjustment and touching of the face, and only sick people should wear them.
To which "deleterious effects on users" are you referring?  If a mask makes it hard for someone to breathe, then that's a pretty good sign that they probably already have some underlying condition that makes getting covid 19 an especially bad thing.

Also, what about the pre-symptomatic/asymptomatic people?  Should they wear masks to help reduce transmission of the virus?
You do not know if anyone is pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic.

The do not even know if people actually have the virus itself.

They have admitted this.

Healthy people should not wear masks.

You know you have a spreading virus based on measruable results - increased icu amd deaths.
Considering the numbers in US hospitals are based on the fact that every patient testing positive nets an additional $11,000 USD, these numbers too, are suspect.
You know or dont know you are sick so if no one truly knows and since rhe resilt is increased hospitalziation, so then masks are necessary for the greater good of the poplation (unless your stance is thanos-esque).
If the sickness had little to no reprecussions (herpies) then we can continue on ladeeda.
But it doesnt.
The illness has no repurcussions for well over 90 percent of those who contract it, regardless of which numbers you use.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/03/fact-check-common-cold-does-not-produce-positive-covid-19-test-result/5366801002/

The fact is, the common cold DOES NOT show positive covid-19 tests. Believe it or not a PCR machine can tell the difference.

There are far more likely chances of tests showing FALSE NEGATIVE results through not swabbing well enough, far enough or too soon after infection where viral loads aren't  high enough, hence why people in quarantine get multiple tests

Saying healthy people don't need masks when the community transmission is so high that everyone's health status is questionable is like saying a healthy person doesn't need PPE working in a lab with infectious viruses

Either totallackey is dumber than this virus and/or he is just trolling (no surprise either way). Why the mods continue to allow it is beyond me. The science is in. You're own countrymen are dropping like flies and allowing totallackeys BS commentary may as well be akin to supporting such nonsense. If you have the common cold , your covid-19 test will return NEGATIVE. That is an undisputed fact
Considering the source you provided (USA Today) actually presents a supposed FACT CHECK quoting the FACT the antibody test provides a false POSITIVE for SARS-CoV-2, when any other number of coronaviruses can also result in a POSITIVE, I fail to see how you think I am trolling.

The numbers provided for Covid-19 include both test results.

You just proved my point.

Further evidence for the fake numbers associated with this reality TV BS:
https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-false-positive/289-e88acbc3-b15f-4d54-a7c7-b157b6b6384e

https://fox6now.com/2020/07/10/fda-warns-labs-about-high-risk-of-false-positives-from-medical-companys-covid-19-test/
Please note they use they word HIGH RISK for a false positive.

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When you do not know the actual count of people who have the virus, due to the fact you admit the tests you are administering can indicate a reading of positive even if you have another type of coronavirus, such as those that cause colds, I fail to see how you can possibly determine how it is transmitted.
Does the test need to be 100% accurate to conclude that the virus is spreading among the general public? 
If you do not know if you are actually detecting the virus, then you cannot state you have a spreading virus.
There may or may not be a perfectly accurate count, but all of those people who are filling ICU beds in Florida, Texas, California and most of the rest of the country/world had to get the virus from somewhere.  Where do you think they got it?
As stated earlier, you do not know if they have the virus.

Period.

The CDC admits this.
Why is masking in public not a good hygiene practice?
Because it has deleterious effects on users, requires frequent adjustment and touching of the face, and only sick people should wear them.
To which "deleterious effects on users" are you referring?  If a mask makes it hard for someone to breathe, then that's a pretty good sign that they probably already have some underlying condition that makes getting covid 19 an especially bad thing.

Also, what about the pre-symptomatic/asymptomatic people?  Should they wear masks to help reduce transmission of the virus?
You do not know if anyone is pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic.

The do not even know if people actually have the virus itself.

They have admitted this.

Healthy people should not wear masks.

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*sigh*
Lackey, do you believe that the coronavirus responsible for covid-19 is spreading among people in the general public by people who are infected but don't know it (asymptomatic/presymptomatic transmission)?
I do not believe the CDC has an accurate test, as sourced above in my previous replies.

I also believe that many people have been told they have SARS-CoV-2, when in fact they do not, as evidenced in numerous reports from across the US and the rest of the world.

The reason I believe this is the facts as reported.
That doesn't answer my question.
When you do not know the actual count of people who have the virus, due to the fact you admit the tests you are administering can indicate a reading of positive even if you have another type of coronavirus, such as those that cause colds, I fail to see how you can possibly determine how it is transmitted.
If so, why do you think that masking in public is not a prudent safety precaution to help reduce the spread of the virus?
Because the CDC and the WHO have stated the most predominant method of combating the virus is simply good hygiene practices, as past evidence also exhibits.
Why is masking in public not a good hygiene practice?
Because it has deleterious effects on users, requires frequent adjustment and touching of the face, and only sick people should wear them.

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*sigh*
Lackey, do you believe that the coronavirus responsible for covid-19 is spreading among people in the general public by people who are infected but don't know it (asymptomatic/presymptomatic transmission)?
I do not believe the CDC has an accurate test, as sourced above in my previous replies.

I also believe that many people have been told they have SARS-CoV-2, when in fact they do not, as evidenced in numerous reports from across the US and the rest of the world.

The reason I believe this is the facts as reported.
If so, why do you think that masking in public is not a prudent safety precaution to help reduce the spread of the virus?
Because the CDC and the WHO have stated the most predominant method of combating the virus is simply good hygiene practices, as past evidence also exhibits.

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What the cdc and Lackless and many govt didnt understand is that nurses, by logistics, often have overlapping duties where they care fir many different people.
This is a reason old folks homes got hit hard in many countries.
If you are a health care worker strictly in an isolated environment sure, you could get away with maskless if at a disrance in a community setting.
Doesnt say dont, doesnt say do.
It says suggssted.
And the state of the States shows Lackless is wrong in his assertio/ interpreration its a solid Dont.
Actually, the reported state of the States is wildly inaccurate reporting by a media almost as smart as you...which isn't sayin much...

Hard to get a true record of the numbers when the whole thing is a billion dollar industry and satisfies the reality tv porn worshippers such as yourself.

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Right now in America there are literally thousands of people walking around with covid-19 and they don't even know it.
Right now in America, there are literally thousands of people walking around without Covid-19, yet believe they do because the tests are not accurate.
https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-04-15/us-virus-numbers-now-include-probable-cases-without-tests?fbclid=IwAR1qcdECvEPPV2XPRNO3b9vC0p0DYSXx14sISEPu8RfHT2p5nVS5GaG_Ejo
"The U.S. tally of coronavirus cases and deaths might jump, because federal health officials will now count illnesses that are not confirmed by lab testing."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html

"A positive test result shows you may have antibodies from an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19. However, there is a chance a positive result means that you have antibodies from an infection with a virus from the same family of viruses (called coronaviruses), such as the one that causes the common cold."

So, your claim that thousands have it without knowing actually turns into the truth... which is hardly anyone has it.
Wearing a mask drastically reduces the chance of transmitting the virus by those that have it.
Correct.

Healthy people do not need a mask.
Healthy people in addition wearing a mask drastically reduces the chance of inhaling it.
Incorrect.

Wearing a mask, according to the health experts as quoted innumerable times here, state the mask is merely to protect others.
Combined, the viruses chances of spreading are knee capped.
Errr...nope.
The WHO in the beginning sucked in their knowledge and were too slow to act. Their advice used to assume the virus was not all that airborne and not transmitted by asymptomatic people. And would not carry through the air in aerosols but large droplets. We know that's all BS now. Hence, mask is important. No you don't need a surgical P95 mask all hours but a cloth one while not perfect, if worn by everyone would go a long way while being comfortable

If repugnicans really wanted to assure Trumps presidential election victory, they would get behind this. Why? Because in 6 weeks, the number of community transmissions would be negligible. By the time of the election, Trump could boast behind defeating the virus

Keep on track and the greatest number of casualties will be dumbarse repugnicans who would otherwise have given Trump their vote.

Seriously not hard stuff. ::)
Not really a well thought out position...and reveals the true nature of the bias within you.

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If health care workers are in a community setting and no mask is necessary, then all of the public when they are in a community setting are in the same state.
There are two sets of guidance: one for healthcare workers and another for the general public.  Why is that too complicated for you?
It's not complicated at all.

Table 1 states health care workers - no mask necessary when in community settings.

Table 2 then tries to contradict that stance, pretending the virus is somehow intelligent enough to ascertain the difference between a health care worker AND any other member of the general public.
No mask necessary.
For medical workers in a community outreach program.  Table 1 gives no guidance for medical workers when they go to a supermarket or other setting where physical distancing may not be possible.
Now, you are trying to claim the virus is HIGHLY INTELLIGENT and can ascertain the specific surrounding.

Healthy people do not need to wear masks.

Period.

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Table 2. Examples of where the general public should be encouraged to use medical and non-medical masks in areas with
known or suspected community transmission.


Kind puts Lackless's assertion to bed.
Kind puts Lackless's assertion to bed.
Have you met lackey?
It doesn't matter whether he has met me or not.

If health care workers are in a community setting and no mask is necessary, then all of the public when they are in a community setting are in the same state.

No mask necessary.

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As if health care workers come from the planet Vulcan.

Health care workers are recruited from the general public...
*sigh*  Healthcare workers work in a much higher risk environment than the general public, therefore their guidance is different than the general public.
That is correct.

And when they are in the high-risk environment, wear the appropriate PPE, including a mask which is recommended by the WHO.

When in community settings, no mask necessary, just like the general public.
You still haven't gotten to Table 2 on page 7 yet, have you? ::)
Of course I got there.

What's your point?

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