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Flat Earth General / Re: Round and Flat Bigotry
« on: April 19, 2016, 07:55:42 AM »
I think the really telling thing about the Flat Earth is how so many folks hate it so vehemently. I've been talking with this nice flat earth believer and mother in England and shes been relating the amount of abuse she gets on a daily basis from folks she thought were her friends of many years. People calling her crazy, retarded, and idiotic. Telling her to kill herself or go 'jump off the edge.' Berating her because they think science is so clever and she is so not. Even when she asks for it to stop, they continue and with such passion one must wonder what's driving it.

I get it. Its not the most popular idea in the world. Its against scientific knowledge; it might appear to be born out of ignorance, and I'll admit at times and for some it is. Of course there is more to it than that, but I don't expect everybody to get that. Some people - hell most - are bound to only take it for its face value. I don't expect everybody to get religion either, or a great many other things. Different strokes, different folks.

And yet, I would put this kind of behavior where it rightfully should stand - its bigotry. If you are intolerant of another's beliefs and feel its your place to go out of your way to insult and abuse them, you are nothing more than a bigot. You might as well be carrying around a sign that says "God Hates Fags" because you are in the same barrel as those folks. I don't care if you have God on your side, Science on your side, or popular opinion on your side. I don't care if its 'funny'. You are a bigot.

And in this we find at least a little irony. By insulting flatists for our beliefs, they unwittingly hate that which they are. For bigotry stands with neither reason nor intelligence; instead always with ignorance and tyranny.

This goes for the flat earth bigots too, we have our share.

I don't know what I'm really expecting out of this thread, but it felt like something that needed to be said.
Thank you Mr. Davis for this post. I shall invoke one of our favorite British Philosophers:
"When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him."

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Hello mister and miss satanists and the others.

There is no reason a particul follow the spinning of the earth. Newton is crying now  :D

  :) Don't worry, Newton is doing fine, and so is Einstein with the detection of Gravitational Waves.  :)

 By the way it is "particle" not "particul".


I have a brilliant idea Rather than you answering him in English why don't you try answering him in Turkish? Then I would like for him to spend a few minutes pointing out all your grammatical and spelling errors for yours, and our, edification.  Or perhaps rather than being childishly and ridiculously pedantic why don't you try understanding that English is not his mother tongue and applaud him for painstakingly translating his ideas into English for your benefit? But that would require insight, introspection and a willingness to take just a moment to think about larger issues, tasks for which, I regret to report, seem far beyond your ken.

Correcting spelling is not childish or ridiculously pedantic. He didn't even do it in a rude way. It sounds like you believe ignorance should be respected, that if someone doesn't want to learn we should just respect that and let them keep going on spelling words wrong, or in your case believing the Earth is the wrong shape.
Second definition of pedantic: overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, esp. in teaching.
I could have also accused him of hair -splitting to use a colloquialism.

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Arkadaşlar hiç bir cisim, bir kuvvet uygulanmadan harekete geçmez. Ya bir patlama vardır, ya da başka bir etken.

Havada olsun, yerde olsun bir parçacığın hareket etmesi için ona bir kuvvet uygulanmalıdır. Üstü açık bir araçtaki bir insanın hareket halindeki bir araca tutunabilmesinin nedeni, bedeniyle araç arasındaki sürtünme kuvvetidir. Aksi halde araç adamın altından kayıp gider.

Havadaki bir cisim, ilk hareket olarak dünyayla aynı hareketi yapıyor olsa bile, dünya aynı zamanda dönüş hareketi yaptığı için, havadaki bir cismin dönmesine neden olabilecek bir kuvvet yoktur. Bir arkadaşımız "yanındaki diğer parçacıklarla beraber hareket eder" demiş. Peki havadaki şey çelikten bir top olursa ne olacak? Çelik bir topu da 1.000 metreden bırakıyorsunuz ve doğrudan yere düşüyor. Yanındaki parçacıklar onu etkilediği için mi dünyanın hareketini takip ediyor? Peki aynı olay bir topu ateşlediğinizde neden olmuyor? Topu ateşliyorsunuz ve hava topun hareketini az etkiliyor, çok etkilemiyor. Bu da, "birlikte hareket" teorisini çürütür.

Hepsini bir kenara bırakın:

Dünya duruyor, atmosfer duruyor, her şey duruyor. Havadaki bir parçacığa bir tek kuvvet etki eder: Yer çekimi kuvveti. Bir süre sonra ağır olanlar aşağıda, hafif olanlar da yukarda kalır çünkü aşağıdan diğer gazlar onları yukarı iter. Şimdi ağır gazlar aşağıda, hafif gazlar yukarıda oldu. Şimdi dünyayı hızlandıralım. Bir tarafa doğru hareket etsin. parçacığa etki eden yeni kuvvet nedir? Yine aynıdır: yer çekimi kuvvetidir. Başka kuvvet var mı? Yok. Dünya dönüyor. Kimin umurunda? Gazlar yine sabit durmaya devam eder, dünyaya ayak uydurmazlar ki. Sadece dünya uzaklaşmaya başlarsa onu takip ederler. Dolayısıyla dünya önden gider, gazlar onu geriden takip eder. Dünya çok hızlanırsa gazlar onu yetişemez ve dünya havasız kalır.

Bu, dünyanın dönmediğinin kanıtıdır. çünkü dünyanın hareket ve dönüş hızına yetişebilecek bir kuvvet bu gazlara uygulanmamaktadır.

Sir Richard bunu çevirebilir misin? Yapamam de de sana bi güleyim.  ;D
Well- although I did act as a Liaison officer in the past with a Turkish Brigade- and although I speak French, German, Greek (ancient) and Latin I have only a smattering of Turk- but none the less I will take your challenge that you offered in the last sentence (or I think you did!)y

This is my translation using my Turkish- Greek- English phrase book and my one year living in Istanbul as part of a semi-detached brigade stationed there in the late 1960s!  This is very very difficult!!!!!

Friends no bodies, does not act on a force being applied. Either there is an explosion, or other factors must be involved..

Whether it is the air or something else,  the movement of a particle in place should require a force. Now concerning Above the man moving in an open vehicle is held in place because of the being the vehicle and his body. Otherwise, the car glides underneath the man and he slides around it.

Airborne object, even if the first movement is in the direction of the world’s movement, which if rotational a movement will NOT cause the rotation of an object in the air. One of our friends said  "well other particles move or don’t in this direction”. So what will happen if a steel ball is put into in the air? You drop it from 1,000 meters and a steel ball falls directly on the ground. Did it follow the movement that the movement was affected by the rotation. So when you fire a cannon does not cause the same event? You fired the ball low and weather affect the movement of the ball and not very much. This "failure to affect movement through rotation" to disproves the theory.

But leave them all aside:

If the World stands still, then the atmosphere atmosphere stands still, everything stops. Airborne particles are then impacted a single force: gravity. After a while the heavier ones, remain in place, while the lighter ones pushes up above them because other gases below. Now the heavy gases, gas were slightly above the others. Now I will expedite this thought experiment of the world. Move to one side. What new forces are acting on the particles? It is still the same: where is the gravitational force? Is there another force acting on it? No. The world spins. Who cares? Gases still continues to stay stable, and that the world around. Only if the particles follow it does it starts to move away from the world. So the world goes ahead spinning, gases don’t follow it they stay behind. If the world is accelerating gases can not keep up with it and all that remains airless world because the gas [atmosphere I think] Ieft behind as the Earth moves in its orbit.

This is proof that the earth's rotation does not happen. This is because because there is no force that can make the gas keep up with the world's movement. The speed of rotation does not apply to this gas which it should.

Sir Richard, can you translate this? I also will never laugh at you.


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Arkadaşlar hiç bir cisim, bir kuvvet uygulanmadan harekete geçmez. Ya bir patlama vardır, ya da başka bir etken.

Havada olsun, yerde olsun bir parçacığın hareket etmesi için ona bir kuvvet uygulanmalıdır. Üstü açık bir araçtaki bir insanın hareket halindeki bir araca tutunabilmesinin nedeni, bedeniyle araç arasındaki sürtünme kuvvetidir. Aksi halde araç adamın altından kayıp gider.

Havadaki bir cisim, ilk hareket olarak dünyayla aynı hareketi yapıyor olsa bile, dünya aynı zamanda dönüş hareketi yaptığı için, havadaki bir cismin dönmesine neden olabilecek bir kuvvet yoktur. Bir arkadaşımız "yanındaki diğer parçacıklarla beraber hareket eder" demiş. Peki havadaki şey çelikten bir top olursa ne olacak? Çelik bir topu da 1.000 metreden bırakıyorsunuz ve doğrudan yere düşüyor. Yanındaki parçacıklar onu etkilediği için mi dünyanın hareketini takip ediyor? Peki aynı olay bir topu ateşlediğinizde neden olmuyor? Topu ateşliyorsunuz ve hava topun hareketini az etkiliyor, çok etkilemiyor. Bu da, "birlikte hareket" teorisini çürütür.

Hepsini bir kenara bırakın:

Dünya duruyor, atmosfer duruyor, her şey duruyor. Havadaki bir parçacığa bir tek kuvvet etki eder: Yer çekimi kuvveti. Bir süre sonra ağır olanlar aşağıda, hafif olanlar da yukarda kalır çünkü aşağıdan diğer gazlar onları yukarı iter. Şimdi ağır gazlar aşağıda, hafif gazlar yukarıda oldu. Şimdi dünyayı hızlandıralım. Bir tarafa doğru hareket etsin. parçacığa etki eden yeni kuvvet nedir? Yine aynıdır: yer çekimi kuvvetidir. Başka kuvvet var mı? Yok. Dünya dönüyor. Kimin umurunda? Gazlar yine sabit durmaya devam eder, dünyaya ayak uydurmazlar ki. Sadece dünya uzaklaşmaya başlarsa onu takip ederler. Dolayısıyla dünya önden gider, gazlar onu geriden takip eder. Dünya çok hızlanırsa gazlar onu yetişemez ve dünya havasız kalır.

Bu, dünyanın dönmediğinin kanıtıdır. çünkü dünyanın hareket ve dönüş hızına yetişebilecek bir kuvvet bu gazlara uygulanmamaktadır.

Sir Richard bunu çevirebilir misin? Yapamam de de sana bi güleyim.  ;D
Marvelous riposte my Islamic Engineer and Friend, simply Marvelous! :)

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: What now?
« on: April 19, 2016, 05:01:44 AM »
Really? Nothing adds up for the globe! The thing is, WE are not making the observations, nasa is... I confirm what 'I' see! I am using the Bible as the truth. The scriptures are not vague, but very precise. The conspiracy exists mainly because of the departmentalization of nasa. Only those at the top know the truth. Contractors only do a specific part of a job. They only know what they need to. I will not trust a bunch of freemasons. My grandfather was a mason. I grew up hearing and seeing many strange things. I loved him, but I did not want to be a part of it. Most if not all of the 'astronauts' were/are freemasons. I do the research! Air Force and Navy active and veteran, have come, and are coming forward, with information concerning lack of curve on water, and that all communications are land based, as well as other things they have observed. I definitely think more research should be done. By me...and you.
But it's not just being done by NASA.  There are plenty of other people and organizations that do astronomy as well, including amateurs.  You can get Stellarium and see for yourself. 
The Flat Earth Society has thus far failed to give a well-thought-out explanation for tides and satellites that is consistent with basic observations.  Why do satellites follow what appear to be ellipses?  If we can see other planets and moons also following Kepler orbits around their parent bodies, why do should our satellites function by a completely different mechanism?  No good answers, just "non-Euclidean space" or "aether currents."  Why does the moon always face the earth, as with many other moons in the solar system with their parents?  Why are there two high tides each day?  No good answers from flat earthers, but we know that these effects are due to gravity gradients, which cause the differential tidal force. 
There's no concrete evidence that all the astronauts were freemasons.  However, a lot of them were eagle scouts, that much we know. 
There's plenty of evidence that the surface of the ocean is curved.  This was known since ancient times.  But arguing about that is pointless now that we have satellites to look at.
This simply because you are not willing to abandon, for however a short a period. you presuppositions of a round earth. We have offered many proofs and empirical data.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: What now?
« on: April 19, 2016, 05:00:28 AM »
I have been reading and reading and researching about FE for a while. I looked at it one day for fun. Then I started doing the 'math'. Nothing was adding up for a globe. I am a Christian and I know that every time someone tries to debunk the Bible, they always find out it is true! The FE model fits the Bible. I would not even consider FE if it did not. But it matches perfectly!

I am a flat Earth theorist, but my friend you are mixing smells and sounds, fruit trees and waterfalls.
Faith deals with things "unseen and hoped for" whilst science deals in empirical and observed data. What did Christ tell St. Thomas when he need "physical proof".

Science can no more prove, or disprove my faith in God than faith can prove, or disprove, the existence of the sun in a scientific way.
That is not to say science does not inform my faith or faith does not inform science- but rather asking science to prove something that requires faith is akin to asking "what color is the smell of a lime?".

This is a trap that both scientist and people of faith fall into. I laugh when a scientific atheist (such as Hawkins) says "Through Science I have proven GOD does NOT exist" . I could just as easily say "through FAITH I have proven Science does not exists".

Both statements are equally meaningless.

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Hello mister and miss satanists and humanity.

"Why is the cosmos occur?"
Science: "Because of a big bang. After the initial expansion, the universe cooled sufficiently to allow the formation of subatomic particles, and later simple atoms. "
Religion: God created it.

"Why is the sky is blue?
Science: Because some particles causing refraction and then it causes a blue colour...
Religion: God surrounded the world with water and gave the water a colour that blue.

"How is gravitation occurs?
Science: "The gravitional particuls..."
Religion:  "There is no gravitation, but God..."

We see that when populer science fell difficult situation, just starting to talk about "the particuls".

So you are believeing to particuls instead of God.

because;

You are usually telling us that: "You are believing God and explain everthing with God, but we can't see him.
So I'm telling you You are believing particle instead of God and explain everthing with particle, but we can't see it."

What is difference except faith?
Gravity requires more faith than a belief in God my friend. These so called hello-centrist are no better than shaman priests sacrificing goats and then "reading" their entrails to devine the will of God. Majik Gravity, majik Dark Matter, majik Dark Energy, Maji  string theory. I could go on but I tire to easily.

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It is certainly I know more things that you have.
One thing is for certain my friend and that is you can speak, read and write both English and Turkish whilst he cannot.

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Hello mister and miss satanists and the others.

There is no reason a particul follow the spinning of the earth. Newton is crying now  :D

  :) Don't worry, Newton is doing fine, and so is Einstein with the detection of Gravitational Waves.  :)

 By the way it is "particle" not "particul".


I have a brilliant idea Rather than you answering him in English why don't you try answering him in Turkish? Then I would like for him to spend a few minutes pointing out all your grammatical and spelling errors for yours, and our, edification.  Or perhaps rather than being childishly and ridiculously pedantic why don't you try understanding that English is not his mother tongue and applaud him for painstakingly translating his ideas into English for your benefit? But that would require insight, introspection and a willingness to take just a moment to think about larger issues, tasks for which, I regret to report, seem far beyond your ken.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: 96% Rubbish
« on: April 19, 2016, 04:46:09 AM »
The evidence isn't pointing to the Earth being flat (at all, actually); it's pointing to there being another source of gravitational attraction beyond what we can see.  But this is big-boy material.  You're not prepared to comprehend it, so you'd best leave it be until you've gotten a degree in advanced cosmology or particle physics (though I highly doubt that will ever happen, as you completely deny the existence of one of the fundamental forces of the universe).
Here is what the helio centrists physicists majikers do when they cannot explain something. They chant "Abra cadabra kalamzaam make dark matter appear right in this hand" whilst waving the majik wand which also induced a credulity reducing stupor on those who hear it.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: 96% Rubbish
« on: April 19, 2016, 04:40:41 AM »
This is what the Helio-centrist model requires one to believe in order to make the theory work. We must envisage that 96% of the universe is comprised of matter that has never been seen, never captured and never analyzed.

Argument from incredulity is a fallacy. Apparently you want to get rid of RET in favour of what, exactly? FE doesn't even have a real hypothesis, let alone anything more. Secondly, I love it how FE'ers fixate on more murky areas of theoretical physics as opposed to much more verifiable data and evidence... like the fact that all local observations are simply and eloquently explained by RET and which doesn't invoke magic and a global conspiracy.
First I do not invoke a vast evil conspiracy I must inform you. Second we invoke no magikal and unexplainable gravity, dark matter or dark energy. We invoke the aether whose affects are easily seen whilst observing the phenomena in the Celestial Sphere, and at less dense concentrations we can observe its affect on objects via the Coriolis. Majik is explaining what gravity is, strings of matter vibrating endlessly with no apparent source of energy. Parallel universes- to explain "dark hole", event horizons that are nothing more than the speculative work of someone who apparently read to many Lovecraft stories as a child.

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If you disagree with my last statement, please be very specific in what observations RE doesn't explain that FE does.
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Very easily- the Helio-centric model posits gigantic clusters of galaxies speeding away from each other but the have absolutely no mechanism to really explain what is driving this "supposed" speeding up. So like a magician on a stage with a black cape and hat they wave a majik wand and pull out dark energy. Problem solved with majik. The flat earth says that what we see in all these galaxies is the detritus of objects caught in the upper part of the aether as our flat earth universe accelerates. This is the firmament. What is outside the firmament is the unknown unknown. Unlike the hello-centric physicists majik practitioners we don't make things up to explain things we cannot observe.
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Yet the Helio-centrist question aether for which we have ample evidence in the rotation of the bodies in the celestial sphere including Luna and the Sun.

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Please show us this ample evidence that both shows aether exists and that it does what you say it does. No more rhetoric and hand-waving from you; put up or shut up. I've called you out on multiple threads now when you proclaim FE(T) to have evidence yet, strangely, you never post this evidence which apparently is in ample supply(!).
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My friend you are the pot, and I am the Kettle as my Grandmother used to say. The helio physicists majik practitioners wave their hands when they cannot explain something and create strings, dark matter, dark energy or whatever, whilst we say "well we don't know because we cannot observe.' The evidence is very simple- we can observe, given the flat earth Terrestrial Plane, The Sun and Luna, that these objects do not crash to the Terrestrial Plane. Thus we see the observed effects of aether. Given a bounded non euclidian surface interacted with a euclidean surface (Terrestrial Plane interacting with the Celestial Sphere) we see the traced movement of the satellites. I find it odd that the hello-centrists demand proof after proof but not one of you can explain magik gravity.
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You're confusing Dark Energy and Dark Matter.

Jeez, you'd never expect a FE'er to reject arguments they obviously know nothing about, would you?  ::)

Please note I tried to do multiple quotes- but do not know how to do this so my responses are in BOLD

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: 96% Rubbish
« on: April 19, 2016, 04:38:25 AM »
This is what the Helio-centrist model requires one to believe in order to make the theory work. We must envisage that 96% of the universe is comprised of matter that has never been seen, never captured and never analyzed.

Argument from incredulity is a fallacy. Apparently you want to get rid of RET in favour of what, exactly? FE doesn't even have a real hypothesis, let alone anything more. Secondly, I love it how FE'ers fixate on more murky areas of theoretical physics as opposed to much more verifiable data and evidence... like the fact that all local observations are simply and eloquently explained by RET and which doesn't invoke magic and a global conspiracy.
First I do not invoke a vast evil conspiracy I must inform you. Second we invoke no magikal and unexplainable gravity, dark matter or dark energy. We invoke the aether whose affects are easily seen whilst observing the phenomena in the Celestial Sphere, and at less dense concentrations we can observe its affect on objects via the Coriolis. Majik is explaining what gravity is, strings of matter vibrating endlessly with no apparent source of energy. Parallel universes- to explain "dark hole", event horizons that are nothing more than the speculative work of someone who apparently read to many Lovecraft stories as a child.

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If you disagree with my last statement, please be very specific in what observations RE doesn't explain that FE does.
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Very easily- the Helio-centric model posits gigantic clusters of galaxies speeding away from each other but the have absolutely no mechanism to really explain what is driving this "supposed" speeding up. So like a magician on a stage with a black cape and hat they wave a majik wand and pull out dark energy. Problem solved with majik. The flat earth says that what we see in all these galaxies is the detritus of objects caught in the upper part of the aether as our flat earth universe accelerates. This is the firmament. What is outside the firmament is the unknown unknown. Unlike the hello-centric physicists majik practitioners we don't make things up to explain things we cannot observe.


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Yet the Helio-centrist question aether for which we have ample evidence in the rotation of the bodies in the celestial sphere including Luna and the Sun.

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Please show us this ample evidence that both shows aether exists and that it does what you say it does. No more rhetoric and hand-waving from you; put up or shut up. I've called you out on multiple threads now when you proclaim FE(T) to have evidence yet, strangely, you never post this evidence which apparently is in ample supply(!).
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My friend you are the pot, and I am the Kettle as my Grandmother used to say. The helio physicists majik practitioners wave their hands when they cannot explain something and create strings, dark matter, dark energy or whatever, whilst we say "well we don't know because we cannot observe.' The evidence is very simple- we can observe, given the flat earth Terrestrial Plane, The Sun and Luna, that these objects do not crash to the Terrestrial Plane. Thus we see the observed effects of aether. Given a bounded non euclidian surface interacted with a euclidean surface (Terrestrial Plane interacting with the Celestial Sphere) we see the traced movement of the satellites. I find it odd that the hello-centrists demand proof after proof but not one of you can explain magik gravity.

You're confusing Dark Energy and Dark Matter.

Jeez, you'd never expect a FE'er to reject arguments they obviously know nothing about, would you?  ::)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: 96% Rubbish
« on: April 18, 2016, 11:51:00 AM »
This is what the Helio-centrist model requires one to believe in order to make the theory work. We must envisage that 96% of the universe is comprised of matter that has never been seen, never captured and never analyzed. Yet the Helio-centrist question aether for which we have ample evidence in the rotation of the bodies in the celestial sphere including Luna and the Sun.

I also find it quite strange that they believe in Dark Matter - a substance which apparantly nullifies gravity - but once we mention aetherial streams that cause effects similar to anti-gravity, (but with more evidence) they immediately reject it.

You're confusing Dark Energy and Dark Matter.
Thank you my young, eloquent, but terribly misguided friend. Yes, Dark Energy the other majikal substance of the helio-centric universe. Without dark matter and dark energy Einstein is nothing but a quack, with a great mathematical mind, a fetid imagination, a penchant for bad hair cuts and an even worse manner of dress.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Satellites and tv channals
« on: April 18, 2016, 11:46:44 AM »
The answer to the former question is the rotational effect of the aether.  The answer to latter question is that they only "appear" to follow Kepler orbits. What you are in fact seeing is the path in Euclidian Space being traced, or observed in Non Euclidian Bounded Space (as the observer).
So, the world is flat but appears to be round due to the hallucinatory effects of the aether?
Well my Dear Man If you call the affects of viewing motion in a Euclidian Space from a bounded Non Euclidian Space as Hallucinatory, why yes I suppose it could be. Or this hallucinatory effect might just as well be ascribed to the three or four gills of gin you had prior to breakfast. I suppose.

But whilst we are at it, please explain the experiments that you have conducted on the properties of the "fantastical" dark matter than apparently makes up 96% of the Helio-centrist imagined universe. I would enjoy hearing the details about "dark" matter's atomic structure, the covalent bonds of such why and even the "interesting" atoms that make it up this magikal substance... but then I suppose you will tell me that we cannot conduct such experiments because no one has captured a single atom of this substance...nor ever seen it... but none the less it is not hallucinatory matter real because, I suppose, it simply must be.

Of course without this "dark matter" Einstein is nothing but lunatic with an excellent math background and a fetid imagination and penchant for extremely bad haircuts and even worst taste in his manner of clothing.

 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: PROOF that NASA is Satanic!
« on: April 18, 2016, 11:34:11 AM »
We all know the Satanist authorities place clues to their true nature, in speeches, on money, and so on, in order to play tricks with the ignorant masses.
I have found yet another in the logo of NASA:



Looks normal, right? Well, can you see the red V? Here it is flipped 90 degrees:



It is undeniable the letter V, written in a stylized Middle Eastern font, clearly.
The letter V has been used in occult symbolism and rituals for thousands of years. There's a reason the Pentagram have five sides (PENTA!) and that the Illuminati use the mysterious five-finger salute. It all traces back to Satan.
In adition to this, the meaning for the Hebrew letter for V (Van) is "Nail." Nail is one of the secret titles titles of Satan within the Brotherhood of Satan.



How is this not proof?

If you want even more, lets return to NASA.
Let's flip it 180 degrees. Now, what is it we see in that v? Something suspiciously eye-like?



I know people like to make jokes about the All-Seeing Eye, but it is a very real symbol used by the Satanist authorities. And here we see it again, clear as day. There is only one answer to this: NASA is a Satanist organization made to pull the wool over the eyes of the ignorant. The Bible clearly proves that these signs should appear during the End Times, when the masses will be deceived by evil. This is not coincidence. Don't let yourself be fooled.
This is an unworthy argument that I would not even deem speculative.

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Flat Earth Debate / 96% Rubbish
« on: April 18, 2016, 11:33:22 AM »
This is what the Helio-centrist model requires one to believe in order to make the theory work. We must envisage that 96% of the universe is comprised of matter that has never been seen, never captured and never analyzed. Yet the Helio-centrist question aether for which we have ample evidence in the rotation of the bodies in the celestial sphere including Luna and the Sun.

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Explaining the motion of the planets has always been troublesome for the FE model, even when it was the prevailing model. How does the modern model explain planetary motion?
Moving objects in the Celestial Sphere are tracing their movements in Euclidian space. The Terrestrial Plane is bounded non Euclidian Space (which is why we we travel in one direction we ultimately end up back where we started) and thus we see objects moving in a Euclidian Space tracing their movement in Non Euclidian space and being observed from such a space.
You know, just because non-Euclidean spaces defy conventional understanding does NOT mean you can just ascribe whatever properties you want to them.  We have ways of modeling non-Euclidean space, but if you try to make it work with your theory, you'll find that you'll never be able to model it as accurately and simply as we can with the round earth.
Mr. Davis has provided very nice mathematical models of this. The usual argument from helio-centrist regarding this model is that "it is too complicated" as if Einstein's theory were a nursery Rhyme

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Flat Earth General / Re: Satellites and tv channals
« on: April 18, 2016, 11:27:18 AM »
I am from Iraq, and I can watch CNN how is it possible if there is no any satellites around earth or above us that transports the signals from the TV from USA to my country. I am saying that because the people who believe in flat earth say that there is no Satellites.
What you say is untrue. What is true is that some Flat Earth Theorists deny the existence of satellites, but not all do. For example, I can demonstrate that satellites are compatible with the Flat Earth Theory. My suggestion is you do a bit more reading prior to making blanket statements.

I'm under the impression you are a flat earth believer and would you please explain how an artificial satellite can orbit a flat earth. I have researched this and I don't understand how it would work in your model like we are told satellites orbit the earth.

The Terrestial Plane is bounded non Euclidian Space, this explaining why that if we are at point XY and travel in the direction X for sufficient time and speed we end up back at XY.

The Celestial Sphere is Euclidian Space which is above the Terrestrial Plane. The aether at the Sea Level on the Terrestrial Plane is of very low density but increase geometrically with altitude above this Plane.

When an object is delivered at sufficient altitude into the aether, where sufficient density exists, the aether holds the object in place much like a buoy in the water. In addition at sufficient altitudes above the Terresrrial Plane the aether rotates (this is what moves, or effects the movement of, the Celestial Bodies.
Thus an object delivered at sufficient altitude is both suspended by the aether and moved by it . Those delivered at lower altitudes are buoyed by it, but at low enough altitudes are below the aetheric whirpool and are stationary.
Thus we both have stationary and moving satellites. Also note that the "apparently strange" orbits observed on the Terrestrial Plane of these moving satellites are a result of observing from a non Euclidian space the movement of objects in Euclidian space.

Then why do launch vehicles need to accelerate sideways so much?  Why do satellites generally follow elliptical Kepler orbits?
The answer to the former question is the rotational effect of the aether.  The answer to latter question is that they only "appear" to follow Kepler orbits. What you are in fact seeing is the path in Euclidian Space being traced, or observed in Non Euclidian Bounded Space (as the observer).

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Flat Earth General / Re: Satellites and tv channals
« on: April 18, 2016, 05:54:07 AM »
I am from Iraq, and I can watch CNN how is it possible if there is no any satellites around earth or above us that transports the signals from the TV from USA to my country. I am saying that because the people who believe in flat earth say that there is no Satellites.
What you say is untrue. What is true is that some Flat Earth Theorists deny the existence of satellites, but not all do. For example, I can demonstrate that satellites are compatible with the Flat Earth Theory. My suggestion is you do a bit more reading prior to making blanket statements.

I'm under the impression you are a flat earth believer and would you please explain how an artificial satellite can orbit a flat earth. I have researched this and I don't understand how it would work in your model like we are told satellites orbit the earth.

The Terrestial Plane is bounded non Euclidian Space, this explaining why that if we are at point XY and travel in the direction X for sufficient time and speed we end up back at XY.

The Celestial Sphere is Euclidian Space which is above the Terrestrial Plane. The aether at the Sea Level on the Terrestrial Plane is of very low density but increase geometrically with altitude above this Plane.

When an object is delivered at sufficient altitude into the aether, where sufficient density exists, the aether holds the object in place much like a buoy in the water. In addition at sufficient altitudes above the Terresrrial Plane the aether rotates (this is what moves, or effects the movement of, the Celestial Bodies.
Thus an object delivered at sufficient altitude is both suspended by the aether and moved by it . Those delivered at lower altitudes are buoyed by it, but at low enough altitudes are below the aetheric whirpool and are stationary.
Thus we both have stationary and moving satellites. Also note that the "apparently strange" orbits observed on the Terrestrial Plane of these moving satellites are a result of observing from a non Euclidian space the movement of objects in Euclidian space.

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Explaining the motion of the planets has always been troublesome for the FE model, even when it was the prevailing model. How does the modern model explain planetary motion?
Moving objects in the Celestial Sphere are tracing their movements in Euclidian space. The Terrestrial Plane is bounded non Euclidian Space (which is why we we travel in one direction we ultimately end up back where we started) and thus we see objects moving in a Euclidian Space tracing their movement in Non Euclidian space and being observed from such a space.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Im new i need help explaining this complexness
« on: April 18, 2016, 05:30:52 AM »
If the earth is flat where is the edge of the plate of land we are on?

Just FYI they are going to tell you to look at the wiki or FAQ section when asking a question such as this.
Correct you are my misguided friend. We do ask that those asking questions do a modicum of reading prior to asking questions.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Satellites and tv channals
« on: April 17, 2016, 12:12:35 PM »
I am from Iraq, and I can watch CNN how is it possible if there is no any satellites around earth or above us that transports the signals from the TV from USA to my country. I am saying that because the people who believe in flat earth say that there is no Satellites.
What you say is untrue. What is true is that some Flat Earth Theorists deny the existence of satellites, but not all do. For example, I can demonstrate that satellites are compatible with the Flat Earth Theory. My suggestion is you do a bit more reading prior to making blanket statements.
Please demonstrate both orbiting and geostationary.
Please look at the believers section on this fair forum and my post under the thread I started :Kant and bounded Non Euclidian surfaces.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Genuine question
« on: April 17, 2016, 09:11:31 AM »
Sir Richard....I applaud you and thoroughly thank you for your reply. An actual answer instead of ridiculous accusations or name calling, refreshing.

Soo. From what I understand of your description, you are saying there is some sort of friction in the vacuum of space? This friction is what "holds" the satalites, and I would imagine this same friction is what holds the sun, Moon ect in their circular path? This act of "friction" is the aether?

I am aware of how Einstein felt about that word, and even when he did speak about it, the aether did not have this type of function. So there are some changes in the physics model in this theory?

Oh, and using the process of elimination, I would imagine in this model "gravity" would be caused by the movement of said aether, instead of a relationship to mass.
It is aether as described by Newton, one can think of it as friction caused by matter, but also as a force imposed by aether that is correct.
With regards to gravity that is a speculative black hole that is nothing more than obfuscated Majik.
Rather the natural downward motion or attraction of objects is th effect of Universal Acceleration.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Satellites and tv channals
« on: April 17, 2016, 05:53:23 AM »
I am from Iraq, and I can watch CNN how is it possible if there is no any satellites around earth or above us that transports the signals from the TV from USA to my country. I am saying that because the people who believe in flat earth say that there is no Satellites.
What you say is untrue. What is true is that some Flat Earth Theorists deny the existence of satellites, but not all do. For example, I can demonstrate that satellites are compatible with the Flat Earth Theory. My suggestion is you do a bit more reading prior to making blanket statements.

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Flat Earth General / Re: I am very intrigued
« on: April 17, 2016, 05:50:53 AM »
Hi guys, I hope all is well here on the forums. I have just within the last week been watching vids and doing a bit of research on the flat earth. I do enjoy digging into information about conspiracies and also listening to both sides of the argument. The flat earth model has really got me interested. There are a few good points and very interesting videos that really make sense and get me thinking about the flat earth theory. But also there are bad videos and people who are quite arrogant about it.

I do have my own views on the topic and questions that could be answered to further my knowledge on the topic.

Feel free to get involved in email chat or on this and we ca share views both for and against.

Have a good day and I hope to hear from you guys soon.

Chris.
I can recommend some very notable works by both the Archaics and the Scholastics on this very subject. Please let me know if you are interested and I can give you a most impressive bibliography. Are you conversant in Latin or Greek?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Genuine question
« on: April 17, 2016, 05:40:21 AM »
"Satalites bring me TV. Definite"

Despite my claims, questions, and info prior in the thread. I have to say you cannot say definite fact. It is mathematically plausible that it is all ground based transmission. Mathematically probable....not so much.
Mathematically, it's a satellite.  Fact.
Flat Earth Theory allows for both stationary and orbiting satellites. The existence of either is a fact and neither proves nor disproves the Flat Earth Theory.

Oh this is interesting...so satellites are allowed in flat earth theory?? Every theorist I have come across say satellites are just a lie. So if they are possible in this theory, then that would explain where my parts have went and what I have seen.

So with that said, how do they maintain "orbit" on a flat model or not come crashing down. I know how much fuel they take with them, and without the slingshot and gravitational orbit effect, it would be a matter of a day before they were crashing through the atmosphere out of fuel. They only make adjustments at a max of every six months and it is in a matter of seconds, some only need it once every couple years, it depends on how high their orbit is and the style of orbit.

This is a new bit of info on this theory to me. What do they oribit? How are they kept in position in both orbit and altitude ?
Well my Dear Fellow I feel like I am standing next to a human demolition hammer which is knocking out questions with a rapidly that almost defies comprehension. I am also very glad to see that you have learned a bit more about the flat earth theory- which is no more monolithic than that of the helio-centrists whose arguments about the size (or lack there of) of the bounded universe are endless and akin to two scholastics arguing about the wingspan of angels, but I digress.

I will keep this at a high level for you, please understand, or else I would be here, all of this this early Spring Sunday afternoon ,which I am now spending look over the expanse of my Garden here in Cornwall- perhaps the loveliest part of God's Green Earth.

First their is the matter of the Terrestrial Plane and the bounded surface. The Terrestrial plane is a bounded non Euclidian surface.  If you are versed in math, and even if you are not, one may think of it in the same manner that hello-centrists think about Einstein's model of Space (which I disagree with) ...not I said SPACE not SPACETIME (Which are two differing things).  Although the scale is much smaller (for the Terrestrial Plane) that Einsteins Space of the Universe, we can simply say this- if we increase the boundary constant large enough, we can create a non- euclidian surface (just like Einsteins very large Space but with a smaller boundary constant), given a finite size (the  Terrestrial Plane) and we have a surface such that if I move in the direction X, and only x from spot X/Y I will eventually arrive in the place X/Y from whence I started.

Second to this there is the Celestial Sphere which is above the Terrestrial plane. The common link, if you will is the Aether which increases in density geometrically from its altitude from the Terrestrial Plane. In fact the density is so much greater that we refer to aether on the Terrestrial Plane as Quintessence.  None the less it exists in the Celestial Sphere, as described by Einstein, and serves as the mechanism that keeps the celestial objects such as the Sun, Luna and the planets (that move about the Sphere) from crashing to the Earth. In addition as the Aether increases in density it increases it's rotation motion. So it might be helpful, although not accurate, to think of Aether as the fluid that the moving objects of the Celestial Sphere float in. In addition the aether is moving in a circular manner moving said objects, or affecting their movement.

The Celestial Sphere, however, is a Euclidian Surface, and thus we have a Euclidian Surface (spherical in shape, or semi-spherical, above a bounded non Euclidian Surface

Now were I to launch into the Celestial Sphere an object, with a low enough velocity such that it did not reach the rotation currents of the Aether, but at a high enough velocity where by the aether was dense enough to hold it in place I would have a stationary object, in the aether, but not affected by the rotational motion of such. Thus we see stationary satellites that "hover" in the same place above the Terrestrial plane.
 
If I were to do the same as above, but at a high enough velocity such that said object reached the rotational Currents of the aether, I would then have an object that was supported by the aether and also moved by its rotational motion. Thus we have moving satellites. The speed and path are dependent on the distance of said object from the Terrestrial plane, the density of the aether in which it rests and the rotational speed of the aether varies directly with the altitude above the Terrestrial  Plane.

Furthermore when I trace the movement of a body in the Euclidian Space of the Celestial Sphere on the surface of a bounded non Euclidian Surface (the Terrestrial plane) I see the "sometimes strange"  paths of motion.

Technically you are correct, the Flat Earth does not allow for orbiting bodies, so I stand corrected in my choice of words, but in the main my view is correct. We can move man made objects into the aether/Celestial Sphere and have them assume rotation motion in the celestial sphere and trace their paths in the non Euclidian Bounded surface. Conversely we can also put objects, low enough, into the aether whereby the are impinged on none at all and are thus stationary.

If I were to trace the move

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: religion and flat/globe earth.
« on: April 16, 2016, 06:50:04 AM »
My thought on all this is that if you are not looking at the ORIGINAL original document, speak the dialect it was was written in, and actually lived in the era to be able understand the relevant references that would be made at the time, then you cannot say for sure that the translation you are reading is anywhere near accurate to what the author was actually trying to say when it was written. I don't think you can use anything written 1000's of years ago as a reference source in this case.
What you say is true in the strictest since, but not generally. We have well over 10,000 manuscripts (copies) dating between 50 and 500 years from the dating of the originals. That is well more than we have for the copied works of Plato (not over 50) or Aristotle (none - we know of him only through Plato) or Arcimides, or Arsistopheles- in fact the sum of the copies of the Archaics dating to within 500 years of the originals is less than  1/50th of that of the documentation of the New Testament.

We can also compare each document for changes in the manuscript (intentional or unintentional) and through powerful programs (computers) show that the change amount, in the main, to transcription errors (word order) or changes that affect the meaning not one whit. The additions (such as at the End of the Lord Prayer) are most obvious and agreed upon by most scholars. Thus we have a much more complete by geometric proportion, of the manuscript of the NT, in the original GREEK than we do of the archaics, whose copies are hardly extent and whose works were, in the main translated from Greek to ARabic and thence to Latin (the language of Science of the Middle Ages).
To say we cannot "know" what the NT manuscripts originals said word for word, is thus true, technically, but it is akin to saying I cannot garner the meaning of Boswell's  "Life of Johnson" because the fly leaf is torn.
In addition the oldest manuscript (one now dating to 90 AD by St John) is within one generation of the original, and it matches a copy made in the 10th century in Greek (Granted it is one verse) verbatim. So from a scientific standpoint we can safely say we have almost a 99% certainty what the originals said.

Now as to their meaning? Why I invite you to the cloister of the Library at Oxbridge whereby 100,000 volumes or more concerning the exegesis of scripture is stored to give you an idea of the impossibility of arriving at a Scientific answer to that.  Of course that is why Science can only come to answers regarding the material world whilst faith comes to answers on things not seen.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ERIC DUBAY SAYS.......
« on: April 16, 2016, 06:36:57 AM »
“…the only website about the subject was Flat Earth Society, which treated the entire thing like SATIRE, and made SEVERAL FALSE CLAIMS about what Flat Earth is actually hold true.” - Eric Dubay

Lol... I concur. Can't even remove profile in here. No need to waste time. Thanks, Eric ;)
I have no earthly idea what the objective of this thread, or what the Original Poster is claiming relative to the flat earth theory other than their are disagreements (and vicious ones) amongst some Flat Earth theorists. Of course this NEVER happens with Helio-centrical Theorists!

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you know what i find funny?
is how people think that Nasa are the only guys researching the skies or that theres no other source of information about the universe

NASA (USA)   
Roscosmos (Russia)   
ESA (Europe)   
CNES (France)   
JAXA (Japan)   
DLR (Germany)   
ASI (Italy)   
CNSA (China)   
ISRO (India)   
CSA (Canada)   
UKSA (UK)   
KARI (South Korea)   
SSAU (Ukraine)   
CoNAE (Argentina)   
ISA and ISRC (Iran)   
INTA (Spain)   
NSO (Netherlands)   
SNSB (Sweden)   
AEB (Brazil)   
SUPARCO (Pakistan)   
SANSA (South Africa)   
SSO (Switzerland)   
AEM (Mexico)

i mean did you guys really believe that if everything that nas say is a lie , other space agency would not try debunk nasa?

not just other space agency, but any observatory around the world wheres people can just watch with telescopes the skies, for free in some places.
Pray tell who is restricting this to NASA? Of course it is a coordinated effort to protect the public.

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I love a good conspiracy theory, but I also can't wrap my head around the idea that the government and NASA are competent enough to pull off something like this. NASA can't even get us to Mars, and the government has been a gridlocked shitshow for decades. Why are you guys so willing to give the government this much credit? Why do you think that thousands and thousands of people are capable of keeping a secret like this? I'm all for reasonable skepticism, and I have a deep-seated mistrust of authority... but I also don't think those in power are nearly smart or coordinated enough to pull off something like this.

For the record, I've been indoctrinated by the education system, I guess, so there's nothing you guys can say that will convince me that the Earth is flat. I still do want to hear an honest reply to this question, though.
One need look no further than the "Conspiracy" of MI6 which was vehemently denied by His/Her Majesty's government for greater than 90 years through successive parties and leaders (Tory, Labour, Liberal) to see that this can be accomplished.

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