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Flat Earth Debate / Re: New conspiracy required?
« on: August 31, 2023, 12:55:20 PM »
The difference is, that I understand math. and FET supporters cannot
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: If NASA is lying
« on: August 31, 2023, 12:27:41 PM »
Trump never said the Earth is flat. Nice try.
Democrats and FET are groups of people who failed every math class they ever took.
The difference between the two groups is most of the FET "supporters" a here to entertain, where the Dems actually believe their BS
Democrats and FET are groups of people who failed every math class they ever took.
The difference between the two groups is most of the FET "supporters" a here to entertain, where the Dems actually believe their BS
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Flat Earth Debate / If NASA is lying
« on: August 31, 2023, 04:53:52 AM »
There are hundreds of threads here some with hundreds of pages where the believers of FET have posted what they believe is proof the Earth is flat.
NASA and others are called liars daily on these pages. So, why has no one here filed a lawsuit against NASA and others? You claim to have proof, so what is stopping you?
You could, in a court of law finally prove it to the world.
NASA and others are called liars daily on these pages. So, why has no one here filed a lawsuit against NASA and others? You claim to have proof, so what is stopping you?
You could, in a court of law finally prove it to the world.
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Flat Earth General / Re: Where does it go from here, say when globe is debunked by mainstream
« on: August 30, 2023, 07:54:06 AM »
Climate change is a direct result of Earth's Orbital and Rotational Procession, which of course can only apply to a global Earth.
Earth wobbles on its axis this wobble process is enough that Polaris and Vega alternate as our North Star on a 26k-year cycle.
Earth wobbles on its axis this wobble process is enough that Polaris and Vega alternate as our North Star on a 26k-year cycle.
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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« on: December 19, 2022, 03:26:17 PM »
Long after my great uncle suffered several devistating strokes and passed away, A decade later I moved 1600 miles to take a new job. There was man working in my building who could have passed as my great uncle's twin. But he didn't have a twin, and by that time my great uncle would have been more than a 100 years old.
Five years after we moved one of my wife's friends swore she saw us at an amusement part 2,000 miles from were we are living.
Five years after we moved one of my wife's friends swore she saw us at an amusement part 2,000 miles from were we are living.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: does Biden have alzheimer's?
« on: December 18, 2022, 06:20:55 AM »So did Ronald Regan, and he's highly regarded as a damn good Republican president.
He did indeed have Alzheimer's. He was diagnosed 5 years after leaving office
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Another mass shooting...
« on: December 18, 2022, 06:11:28 AM »
Freedom > Security.
Very true. But it isn't absolute. You wouldn't want a citizen to have his own icbm program and you wouldn't want to declare butter knives illegal. So where is it reasonable to draw the line?
You need to understand. One side wants a total ban on guns. To this end, they are willing to ignore current laws that on the books.
In 2020 more than 300,000 firearm buys were denied because the purchaser was legally prohibited. This is a federal crime. Of those 300,000 .04% where actually charged with a crime.
Charges against students with a firearm at school are less than 1 in a thousand.
The issue has power, not the solution.
The solution? Vigorously enforce the laws we have.
On banning guns, how? Any machine shop can be set up to turn out safe and reliable firearms. Who is going to go around and teach every garage and barn looking for machine shops?
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: does Biden have alzheimer's?
« on: December 18, 2022, 05:23:12 AM »As someone who was a caregiver for many years to a family member with dementia, it is clear Biden is suffering from a form of dementia. Those around him should be arrested and convicted of elder abuse. Thing is Harris could be worse
What are the clear signs you've seen?
He attempts to shake hands with no one. If there is no there to help him he as no idea where to go. He gets lost in both speech and in the room. It is sad to watch. It is terrifying that people defend him.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Funny Globularist Things
« on: December 13, 2022, 08:32:19 AM »The space program was not a dump of money. The spinoffs from the space program would fill several libraries in a large city.Space programs have only served to fund the activities of states such as producing black money, smuggling money out of the country, and supporting terrorist organizations. Oh sorry, it also feeds internet trolls.
Defense spending? The only thing more expensive is a 2nd rate military. Didn't earn anything from the time leading up to WWII?
Man should ALWAYS to extend his reach.
Well, you're the Troll so, you should know. For those of us that use our brain for more that holding our ears apart we know the space progam is a huge boon to our everyday lives, and we know why.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof the earth is a globe
« on: December 13, 2022, 04:38:56 AM »Not a pilot - don’t get it.
Pikes Peak summit is 14,000’ MSL
Pikes Peak summit is 8,000’ AGL
- if flying 10,000’ MSL = slamming into the side of PP
- if flying 10,000’ AGL = gliding over the summit with room to spare
What am I missing?
The entire point is what you are missing. The point that PP will first appear to be the horizon, and as you get closer climb to a point above the altitude of the aircraft, which is evidence, strong evidence of a globe. Nothing more, nothing less.
But as to SOP all the responses have gone to great effort to make the OP about everything but this fact.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Funny Globularist Things
« on: December 12, 2022, 03:05:14 PM »
The space program was not a dump of money. The spinoffs from the space program would fill several libraries in a large city.
Defense spending? The only thing more expensive is a 2nd rate military. Didn't earn anything from the time leading up to WWII?
Man should ALWAYS to extend his reach.
Defense spending? The only thing more expensive is a 2nd rate military. Didn't earn anything from the time leading up to WWII?
Man should ALWAYS to extend his reach.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof the earth is a globe
« on: December 12, 2022, 02:43:13 PM »And now I've done it, I gave you something else to use as a dodge. In 5, 4, 3, 2, 1Chill. I wasn't dodging anything. I merely pointed out that If you could fly and maintain a strict 10,000 AGL, you would never see Pikes Peak above you. When you are directly over it, you will be at 24,115 ASL/MSL. I hope you allowed enough time for your C182 to make that last very steep climb.
I am not a FEer. My comment was regarding your piloting rather than the OBVIOUS shape of the earth.
Don't comment about flying then as you have no clue of what you are talking about. I grew up in love with flying. earned my Private License. Aced my oral exam, and miss just 2 questions on my written, and passed try practical on the the first try. 1/3 fail on the first try.
For the record I have not flown in... well a long time. First it just got too costly. Secondly I was dx's with Type II Diabetes and now my hearing is shot, too many years on Air Force flight lines over an 11+ year career.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What Makes the Flat Earth Hypothesis Believable in the First Place?
« on: December 11, 2022, 08:33:42 AM »What makes this Flat Earth Hypothesis more realistic that the Globe Earth Model?
Very early religious indoctrination, as in, but not limited to The Bible, teaches children to believe that everything must be simple, not complex. This belief in simplicity extends to everything. There is life and death; black and white; good and evil. Critical thinking is not allowed. When schools try to teach nature, including evolution, they revolt against the elitists. They start automatically discarding science and everyone who supports science. COVID and the vaccines are an excellent example. But it goes into all aspects of their lives. Global warming? 911? It also brings about a belief in cult personality leaders. Pastors, televangelists, prophets, the Second Coming, Trump.
You asked, "What makes this Flat Earth Hypothesis more realistic that the Globe Earth Model? ". The real question is "To what kind of person is the Flat Earth Hypothesis more acceptable"? The answer is "A person who has been indoctrinated, usually since early childhood, into fundamentalist religious beliefs".
I know I am late to the party with this, but it cannot be ignored.
When it comes to the Bible, there is noting within it that says the Earth if flat. You can seen some verses that way but most, if not all are quoted out of context.
The Bible says who, while science attempts to figure out how. Science and the Bible are no at odds with each other. Well unless you so closed minded that you must believe they are.
I am Christian to my core. And I study science too. I know legion of people just like me. So, careful with your brush there. You assertion needs a new look, because it does not fit your theory.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof the earth is a globe
« on: December 11, 2022, 06:54:50 AM »We rent a single engine Cessna 182 at t Louis Mo, USA. Take off and climb to 10,000 above the ground (AGL) then head west to Pikes Peak, which is 14,115 feet above sea level. (ASL) The distance between the two points is 800 miles.
The earth is a globe, and at some pint we will see the peak BELOW us. As we get closer, the peak will appear to rise up in front of us, until it rises to our eye level and then above us.
If you could fly and maintain a strict 10,000 AGL, you would never see Pikes Peak above you. When you are directly over it, you will be at 24,115 ASL/MSL. I hope you allowed enough time for your C182 to make that last very steep climb.
You are working far to hard to avoid the basic issue. But fine. it is possible to fly 10,000 feet MSL and still manage to not violate FAR 91.121 and keep legal altitude separation for a heading.
So, 10,500 feet (headings of 180 to 359 deegees require an even altitude plus 500 feet,) The Pike Peak first appears below the flight altitude and gradually rises to flight level as it rises to full high.
This can only take place on a globe. It is simple middle school geometry, which has been understood for 5,000 years and properly formulated for more than 2,300 years. And now I've done it, I gave you something else to use as a dodge. In 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Modern cars absolutely confirm gravity
« on: December 11, 2022, 05:25:55 AM »
It is there. Not believing it is there won't make it not there. 2400 years of study, math, and experiments show it is there. NOTHING shows the earth is flat.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof the earth is a globe
« on: December 10, 2022, 01:52:50 PM »I used AGL and MSL because, well that is per FAA FAR.This is simply stating you must maintain your altitude based upon that.
FAR 91.121 states that, when operating an aircraft below 18,000 feet MSL, pilots will maintain altitude by reference to an altimeter that is set to
It is not saying that you must report it in all communications as that.
An argument is much more coherent if you keep the same reference, otherwise there is the question of what the reference is.
i.e. hypothetically you could start off at 10000 ft AGL, with that being around 15000 ft ASL, and then as you go along, that 10000 AGL drops to 13000 feet ASL.
Your dodges are getting lamer and lamer. It is obvious you are not a pilot, nor ever expired to be one. You missed the reason for FAR 91.121. The reason for it so your hypothetical can't take place. Reporting your altitude is not addressed in FAR 91.121, as if reporting it, would change the altitude.
The point being solely that this flight can be done, and 100% certainly has been done. In fact, flights like that have been done all over the planet. The fact that you are working so hard to deflect these facts is telling. It is not a good look on ya.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Modern cars absolutely confirm gravity
« on: December 10, 2022, 08:06:38 AM »So. Been here a few months on this site. It’s interesting what flat earther’s will defend to the death, and what they will completely ignore.
One of those items that gets ignored, or right out lied about, is why it’s hard to ride a bike up hill and keep up speed, and why people need to gear down on a 10 speed. But flat earther’s can move goal posts and muddy waters.
So. Thanks to the modern car and its fuel management system and cruse control, its quite easy to see how gravity affects a car set to a constant speed going from a flat surface to climb up a steep grade/hill.
If gravity doesn’t exert a downward force on the car, why must a car to keep its speed up use more fuel, gear down, and/or use more RPM’s to climb a step hill.
Why does the car use more energy going from a flat surface to up hill as kinetic energy is converted to gravitational potential energy.
If 'gravity' existed throughout the Earth's surface, then riding a bike ON the surface should be the SAME, whether on a flat surface, or up a hill, or down a hill, right?
'Gravity' should be the same over the whole surface, right? Why would it be harder to ride a bike up a hill, than over flat land? Shouldn't 'gravity' act the same way, over the entire surface? It would, if it actually DID exist. It's a made up fantasy force, invented to support the ball Earth fairy tale story. That's why it fails miserably, in every way possible.
When you ride a bike over Earth's surface, why is it harder to go up a hill, than over flat land? Is it not the same surface throughout, with the same 'gravity' throughout? If so, it would not be any harder to go up a hill than over flat land? Why can we glide a bike DOWN a hill without using ANY effort? The 'force' is still the same, over the entire surface, right?
'Gravity' doesn't exist, and this ALONE proves it doesn't.
No. The force of gravity is toward the center of the Earth. You are assuming gravity is acting at a right angle to the surface of the Earth at all places including inclines. If that were the case, you would walk up a cliff.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof the earth is a globe
« on: December 10, 2022, 04:35:32 AM »
I used AGL and MSL because, well that is per FAA FAR.
FAR 91.121 states that, when operating an aircraft below 18,000 feet MSL, pilots will maintain altitude by reference to an altimeter that is set to: 1) the current reported altimeter setting of a station along the route of flight and within 100 nautical miles of the aircraft; 2) the current reported altimeter setting of an appropriate available station; or, 3) in aircraft without a radio, the elevation of the departure airport or an appropriate setting available before departure.
What that means is the altimeter must by regulation, be set to AGL. Above 18,000 ALL Altimeters are set for the Standard pressure of 29.92 inchs of mg.
Terrian on the other hand is ALWAYS measured form MSL.
None the less, the summit pf Pikes Peak will first appear below the altitude of the aircraft and then as the aircraft gets closer, rise until it is above the aircraft.
This can only happen on a globe.
FAR 91.121 states that, when operating an aircraft below 18,000 feet MSL, pilots will maintain altitude by reference to an altimeter that is set to: 1) the current reported altimeter setting of a station along the route of flight and within 100 nautical miles of the aircraft; 2) the current reported altimeter setting of an appropriate available station; or, 3) in aircraft without a radio, the elevation of the departure airport or an appropriate setting available before departure.
What that means is the altimeter must by regulation, be set to AGL. Above 18,000 ALL Altimeters are set for the Standard pressure of 29.92 inchs of mg.
Terrian on the other hand is ALWAYS measured form MSL.
None the less, the summit pf Pikes Peak will first appear below the altitude of the aircraft and then as the aircraft gets closer, rise until it is above the aircraft.
This can only happen on a globe.
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Flat Earth Debate / Proof the earth is a globe
« on: December 09, 2022, 01:20:11 PM »
We rent a single engine Cessna 182 at t Louis Mo, USA. Take off and climb to 10,000 above the ground (AGL) then head west to Pikes Peak, which is 14,115 feet above sea level. (ASL) The distance between the two points is 800 miles.
The earth is a globe, and at some pint we will see the peak BELOW us. As we get closer, the peak will appear to rise up in front of us, until it rises to our eye level and then above us.
The earth is a globe, and at some pint we will see the peak BELOW us. As we get closer, the peak will appear to rise up in front of us, until it rises to our eye level and then above us.
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why are flat earthers so dishonest?
« on: October 30, 2022, 07:49:32 AM »
What do you call it when the person responds with, "I don't care what the math and science prove, I know what I believe."
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Flat Earth General / Re: Space tourism
« on: July 20, 2021, 01:46:29 PM »
I imagine that it will go down like this:
- They are really just in a regular plane cruising at a normal altitude
- Passenger shots out the windows are faked somehow, maybe simulated video imagery projected on/in the glass
- Selfie’s of 5 minutes of unedited weightlessness hijinks = Cables
But that all means passengers have to be in on it. Which can work for a while. But in years to come with growing ridership/exposure, they are going to have to figure out how to dupe the passengers too. Projected window sims would be a start. But the weightlessness…? That’s gonna be tough. Maybe micro dose them with ether and ketamine…
I used to think that something like space tourism would have to end the FE movement. But, I've read what people have written in this forum about the impossible flights in the Southern Hemisphere, even in at least one thread someone writing that the people taking those flights are murdered. Proof does not seem to matter. So let me ask FEers. When it gets to the point where hundreds or thousands of civilians have gone on these flights, and they say they have seen the curvature of the Earth, will that be enough to change your mind? If not, can you give me an example of something that would change your mind?
They will just fall back on "Well it only looks round, but is actually flat!" arguments. Not going to be much of a mystery how they will spin it.
Anyway, congrats to Bezos on the successful return of the capsule from their trip to space and the rocket landing too.
That's two trips to space now, or one depending on your definitions, or zero of you just think it's all a Hollywood sound stage.
People believe what they need to believe and all else be damned. "I don't care what the math and science prove, I know what I believe."
I have come to believe most of those here, know the Earth is a globe. They just find it entertaining in egging on the .001% that really believe it is flat.
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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: does Biden have alzheimer's?
« on: July 20, 2021, 01:20:11 PM »
As someone who was a caregiver for many years to a family member with dementia, it is clear Biden is suffering from a form of dementia. Those around him should be arrested and convicted of elder abuse. Thing is Harris could be worse
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Polaris debunks the magnetic declination!
« on: November 23, 2020, 04:33:37 AM »Ah, someone who has never taken navigation classes, or did any actual navigation on land, sea or air. Fly a compass course from Miami FL, to Portland, OR. Assume fuel is not a problem or you'r flying a large passenger jet. After you pass Portland continue to hold that compass course and see where you next find land. Hint on a Flat Earth it is impossible to there that way. You'll be northwest the Philipines.If you did that you would either pass over Alaska or hit Russia.
Did you mean for them to fly in a straight line? and ignore the compass once they started moving?
No. You fly the same heading, which on a globe puts you in the South Pacific. But you now bring up another point about FE maps. I was stationed in Thailand. On the way there, we started at San Francisco, to HI to Guam to PI then into Thailand. On the way back it was Bangkok to Hong Kong to Japan to San Fransico. If the Earth is flat it would have been shorter and faster to fly to over Canada, Siberia, China, and into Thailand
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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Polaris debunks the magnetic declination!
« on: November 22, 2020, 03:22:35 PM »
Ah, someone who has never taken navigation classes, or did any actual navigation on land, sea or air. Fly a compass course from Miami FL, to Portland, OR. Assume fuel is not a problem or you'r flying a large passenger jet. After you pass Portland continue to hold that compass course and see where you next find land. Hint on a Flat Earth it is impossible to there that way. You'll be northwest the Philipines.
Polairs is now our pole star. But won't stay that way. We swing from Polaris to Vega on a 23,000 year cycle.
Magnectic varation is because we have a molten iron core that keeps moving. Tides wtihin the core like tides in our oceans and seas.
Not that you'll admit to the proven science of all the above
Polairs is now our pole star. But won't stay that way. We swing from Polaris to Vega on a 23,000 year cycle.
Magnectic varation is because we have a molten iron core that keeps moving. Tides wtihin the core like tides in our oceans and seas.
Not that you'll admit to the proven science of all the above
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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: November 22, 2020, 05:53:04 AM »Thank you, sceptimatic, but you didn't answer my question. What would change YOUR mind, if anything?I did answer it, sort of.
If I had a level scope and looked out to sea and only saw sky with no horizon, I'd go with a global model.
I do not see that, so by reality the global model we are indoctrinated into, is basically, deadBut, to reply to your post: it seems to me that if I were standing anywhere with water between myself and the edge of the world, I should be able, with a sufficiently strong telescope, to see the edge, since we're on the same plane, would you not agree?Forget about standing near any edge of the world. Let's deal with what you observe in actual reality.
I'll repeat what I said.
If you ere standing with a perfectly horizontally level scope, looking out to sea and you know the Earth should be curving downwards from your point, then over a short distance your water disappears from your scope to be replaced by sky....only (taking into account unobstructed view).
You know in your own mind that you see water and sky. Basically your horizon that appears to suit your scope and eyesight for distance.
You clearly know you do not ever just see sky....so you should clearly understand that your Earth does not curve downwards away from you.
It really is as simple as that. Maybe too simple for the scientific one's who wish to rely on magical mysteries.
Your example is in one detention, but we live in three. You assume the curve would would show. I can't because it curves away.
In Auguest of 2014, a friend I and I were traveling throught Kansas going west on I--70 at night. It was severe clear, so we had great visiability. Using a FE Model, we should have seen the lights of cars coming down the Rockies. We didn't. What we DID see was red tower lights popping up to the west. At first we noticed 6 red lights running in a line north to south off in the distance. Then more lights popping up. The orginal 6 added lights under them. As we drove west the 6 became a few dozen, then a few hundred and all of them adding lights below those above on each tower.
We were approaching a Wind Farm. For each 5 miles we got closer to the first set of towers we saw about 16 feet more of each tower and therefore more lights apeared on each tower further toward the ground. When we got to the west end of Kansas we notice the my truck was working harder, it daylight by then and the land looked "level" in all directions, but we had started to climb that would take us into the Rockies. On the way back a week later, we screamed down that same unseen incline as we were now going down hill.
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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« on: June 06, 2020, 05:51:05 AM »According to her bio she moved to live with her husband while he was studying law. Not much of a stretch that she would go into law afterwards if NASA wanted her to move and change careers. In the 80's they didn't have the internet like we do now and may not have forseen that this was not good enough.
Again, listing what the older Resnik claimed to do in the 80's is hardly good enough. You are claiming that she didn't write that she was a dead astronaut and listed some things about what she was doing so therefore she isn't her.
And again, ignoring the phenomenal coincidences of a doppelganger with the same facial tick and super rare name.
There was a man where I worked that looked like one of my great uncles, right down to his gate as he walked. Thing is my great uncle died twenty years before. Another man in our section was the spitting image of my cousin. So much so that we went into great detail of our respective family trees. No relation we could find. I walked into the nursing home where my dad was being cared for, in a surprise visit. He was in Idaho and I in Indiana. This was my first time there. The nurse looked up from the desk, cocked her head, and said, "You're Leo's son. You look so much like him." She wasn't asking, she was making a statement of fact based on what she saw. Everyone I know has similar
stories
Yeah, and how likely is it that your rare doppleganger would also share a name so rare that you are the only other person (or one of the very few) people in the US with that name? And a similar facial tic on their lip? Not too likely.
Rare? I gave two examples in one work setting. I did forget to include the fact this workplace is more than 1700 miles from where the two relatives live(d).
BTW, why fake their deaths? Why destroy a muity billion-dollar spacecraft in the first place?
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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA EPIC LIES
« on: May 31, 2020, 08:24:12 AM »According to her bio she moved to live with her husband while he was studying law. Not much of a stretch that she would go into law afterwards if NASA wanted her to move and change careers. In the 80's they didn't have the internet like we do now and may not have forseen that this was not good enough.
Again, listing what the older Resnik claimed to do in the 80's is hardly good enough. You are claiming that she didn't write that she was a dead astronaut and listed some things about what she was doing so therefore she isn't her.
And again, ignoring the phenomenal coincidences of a doppelganger with the same facial tick and super rare name.
There was a man where I worked that looked like one of my great uncles, right down to his gate as he walked. Thing is my great uncle died twenty years before. Another man in our section was the spitting image of my cousin. So much so that we went into great detail of our respective family trees. No relation we could find. I walked into the nursing home where my dad was being cared for, in a surprise visit. He was in Idaho and I in Indiana. This was my first time there. The nurse looked up from the desk, cocked her head, and said, "You're Leo's son. You look so much like him." She wasn't asking, she was making a statement of fact based on what she saw. Everyone I know has similar
stories
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Flat Earth General / Re: Why are round earth maps so perfectly accurate?
« on: September 19, 2019, 08:18:59 AM »Ankara to Istanbul trip by land & by air.
What makes you think the data makes sense?
Please explain? Are you saying the maps are not accurate? How can I check your claim? Present evidence please.
Instead of dodging your own question with other questions, why don't you provide the evidence the RE is not accurate?
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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: September 19, 2019, 08:14:47 AM »Let’s have another serious discussion about what is most important, CURVATURE.
To the opposition here, please tell the readers here, why you nor anyone else can prove the curvature bulge over the center of USA? A near 200 mile high curvature bulge over the USA would indeed be measurable by today’s technology. In fact, there would be established curvature charts of all landmass and showing how they relate to Eratosthenes measurements and these charts would be used to shut down a Flat Earth argument. But, NO, NO, NO.
Please tell the readers why.
Arguments that pertain to Sunrises and Sunset and all other lame arguments do not apply here because it does not prove what you see proves the USA has the miles of curvature bulge over center as dictated by a 3959 mile radius earth. Prove Earth’s radius today and show how it relates to curvature charts.
You are mixing flat and round to get the results you want. An error a grade school kid would catch.
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Flat Earth General / Re: How many would agree?
« on: July 17, 2019, 02:09:51 PM »https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/jul/17/greatest-photos-ever-moon-landing-shots-artistic-masterpieces
Its a pity how one of mans greatest achievements can be to some a red rag to a bull. With a new revived race to establish a permanent moon base within the next five years, I just wonder how people will feel the day the next man/woman steps onto the lunar surface?
this may help to explain the red rage.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2019/jul/17/why-do-so-many-people-still-believe-moon-landings-hoax-podcast
The first photo you linked is the cover of the Dec 1969 National Geographic. I have two signed by Buzz Aldrin who the subject of the photo.