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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: About Sam Benjamin Harris
« on: June 04, 2021, 11:50:19 AM »
I didn't read any of the posts in this thread and I don't know what it is about but Sam Harris is a weirdo.

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Maybe there's other footage that doesn't have a good explanation yet though.

There are lots of videos without any good explanations.  That's why they classify them as unidentified.

Once the military classifies something under 'SPACE ALIEN ENCOUNTER' then I'll pay attention. :)

Unidentified means they don't know what exactly it is. That's different from not having a good explanation. Sometimes there is just numerous good explanations and one is not much better than the other.

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That theory doesn't quite fit the facts.  These UFOs moved in a way that seemed to violate physics and were completely beyond what any country is capable of.

Yes, if you believe the headlines. Except they really don't seem to upon further scrutiny.



You don't have to even crunch the numbers. Many were saying these not particularly streamlined crafts were accelerating suddenly to like 5 Mach or whatever. Alright then, where's the sonic boom? I can believe there is some advanced alien technology that makes them accelerate that rapidly, but the technology somehow disappearing sonic booms for these rather large and chunky pods is a bit too much to stomach. That should make you immediately skeptical of the claims about the way they move.

Although some people go further and don't even believe it is anything unusual, they think it's just normal planes or birds or weather balloons.

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Something to consider lol: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos

The military is probably either getting owned by adversary drones and don't want to admit it, or alternatively they are doing this on purpose to obscure one of their own programs. But the videos didn't look that special, some people analysed for example the go fast video and according to the numbers on the screen, it didn't move nearly as fast as people were making it out to be, but rather at about wind speed, and it just looked like it moved fast due to parallax. I'm guessing the military knows this by now and are playing dumb.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Indiana Jones 5 anyone?
« on: May 21, 2021, 12:11:10 PM »
Guys I have an incredible idea: what if someone made a movie that is not based on past movies or source material?
The PURGE.
OK but what if someone did that, but made it not bad?

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: Indiana Jones 5 anyone?
« on: May 21, 2021, 12:09:04 PM »
Guys I have an incredible idea: what if someone made a movie that is not directly based on past movies or source material or franchise?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Citizen
« on: May 21, 2021, 12:07:43 PM »
Shitty Silicon Valley startups will be the end of us.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: China to land on Mars
« on: May 21, 2021, 11:58:56 AM »
I guess you just like to show your true colors.
At least his true hair color isn't red.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: WTF Uri Geller?
« on: May 21, 2021, 03:42:36 AM »
Seems like he duped the Aussies out of some serious dough:

“By the mid-1980s, Geller was described as "a millionaire several times over", and claimed to be performing mineral dowsing services for mining groups at a standard fee of £1 million.[20] In June 1986, the Australian Skeptic reported that Geller had been paid AU$350,000 and granted an option of 1,250,000 Zanec shares at AU$0.20 each until 5 June 1987.[21]“

My personal favorite magician:



He even duped the CIA apparently, so...

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: WTF Uri Geller?
« on: May 20, 2021, 04:55:08 AM »
Those grand magic shows where they dress up and have music and a beautiful assistant (no doubt there to avert your gaze from what the magician is actually doing) is great. We know it's an illusion and an act with smoke and mirrors but like WWE, they put on a great show and we are entertained.

It's the recent trend of 'Street magicians' that I can't stand. Those that try to pass off as actually having some magic power and a crowd no doubt paid to take part to fool the TV audience. Also the ones that do utterly stupid shit that can risk their life (like being buried alive or near drowning).

I don't know this Uri Geller guy but I don't object to people that use illusion to fool an audience as long as the audience knows 'it's just an illusion'. The best ones are where we are kept guessing how the hell their trick works

Got no time for people that want to fool people as if they actually have 'magic' powers. Screw those guys

A true magician is an artist. But a lot of these guys (perhaps like Uri) are con men

Some street magicians are very neat. Even some people who make very neat and polished videos mostly utilizing very clever editing, where even if you know they are doing that it can be incredibly hard to figure out what exactly they did. But Geller's tricks are just stupid.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: WTF Uri Geller?
« on: May 20, 2021, 04:52:53 AM »
Geller got famous because people WANTED to believe him.

I remember watching him on TV as a child, and I wanted to think it was real because if he could have magic powers, well maybe I could too, and if he could really do those things them maybe all the other paranormal and mystical stuff was real too.

I still knew he was fake, but I wanted to believe. I still do, it's just going to take more than spoon bending on the Tonight Show to make me feel that sense of wonder these days.
How did he get famous though and not someone actually competent?

Like, look at this:


It's so sad...

Competent people who were skilled and knew what they were doing got famous and rich, like David Copperfield.

People like Uri Geller just got on a few TV shows and never really made any serious money.

Uri Geller is extremely famous. Almost as much as Copperfield. And he is a multi-millionaire, so I think he did pretty well all things considered.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: WTF Uri Geller?
« on: May 20, 2021, 04:11:05 AM »
Geller got famous because people WANTED to believe him.

I remember watching him on TV as a child, and I wanted to think it was real because if he could have magic powers, well maybe I could too, and if he could really do those things them maybe all the other paranormal and mystical stuff was real too.

I still knew he was fake, but I wanted to believe. I still do, it's just going to take more than spoon bending on the Tonight Show to make me feel that sense of wonder these days.
How did he get famous though and not someone actually competent?

Like, look at this:


It's so sad...

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: WTF Uri Geller?
« on: May 20, 2021, 02:46:20 AM »
Ι'm speechless at how bad these tricks are:



There's no way to not see it wasn't bent when he was pretending it was, and that he clearly bent it with his hands right in front of the camera when he got up. It so clearly looks like a normal spoon while he is acting like it's bending, and then it looks completely out of shape when he gives it to the other woman. Such a garbage trick. You don't even have to pause and rewind to see this. It's obvious.

Or how about this one:


HE'S JUST PEEKING. THAT'S THE TRICK FOLKS. HE'S PEEKING.

Highly advanced world famous wizard.

Like, again, I'm not surprised because it's fake, of course it is. I am surprised by how awful and shoddy his tricks were and yet he became famous. So many magicians have vastly more skillful and elaborate tricks and they aren't nearly as famous. Hell, I've seen one live, he somehow pulled a goldfish out of a bank note, of course it was fake, but it was actually an impressive trick and I have no idea how he did it, but this just sucks.

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Arts & Entertainment / WTF Uri Geller?
« on: May 20, 2021, 02:28:01 AM »
Sooo I had heard a lot about Uri Geller but I didn't really know what his shtick was, I had never seen him do a trick, I just knew he bent spoons and stuff like that. I accidentally found a video where James Randi was exposing him:


What I was impressed was how stupid his trick was. I genuinely have no clue how he got this famous. It's awfully boring and it just so clearly looks like something's up from the handle right from the start and that he's pushing it around with his fingers. What kind of a stupid "power" is that anyways, he can bend them using his mind but he also has to rub them a bunch for some reason? It's also so shoddy and suspicious right from the start, like, they offer him to use some other piece of cutlery and he's like "naaaah I'll use this one". And for a moment apparently he got worried that he picked the wrong one because he lifted another one off the tray and looked at the handle. It's ridiculous.

What a talentless hack, I don't mind "magicians" who pretend they're for real too much because, you know, whatever, it's their job and it's kind of like an art form. I prefer the ones who don't pretend, but it is still fine by me. But there's so many people who are so much better than this moron, and the wildest thing is that the other morons at CIA actually took him seriously for some reason. It also doesn't help that he litigated against people who exposed him. What an asshole.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bill Gates
« on: May 17, 2021, 11:52:55 AM »
Bill Gates played a really nasty role. He was opposed to open source vaccines from the get go. He convinced Oxford to sell the rights to AZ which was already bad, and now he is opposed to lifting patents in general.

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The Lounge / Re: What are some things women like?
« on: May 17, 2021, 01:17:26 AM »
Also she's making me get a huge boner
I'm so sorry she is forcing you to get a boner. Is there anyone you want us to call?

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The Lounge / Re: What are some things women like?
« on: May 17, 2021, 01:16:00 AM »
Most of them like eating and drinking so much they do it every day. Pretty incredible.
She didn't like drinking alcohol.
Didn't say anything about alcohol.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: China to land on Mars
« on: May 16, 2021, 07:17:14 AM »
I can believe the US abuses visa access.  That's not a good thing but we're hardly unique there. 


Yes, that's my point, it happens in many places and people put up with things to work there, especially temporarily. For instance, if I go to the UK I will have to put up with the godawful food and that's a big thing to ask.

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There is something interesting going on with China and climate change.  The US has enormous resources that can be used towards stopping climate change but we don't do that because, you know, capitalism.  But China now has enormous resources as well except they don't have Fox News trying to brainwash people to distrust climate science.  They're in a unique position to do quite a bit to fight climate change and I think we're seeing some of that already with their renewable energy production.

Yes, there is that, and also there is the fact that they don't have as much access to fossil fuels so it pays to invest in renewables, so that they can be more independent. Also they have better control over their economy and productive forces.

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The Lounge / Re: What are some things women like?
« on: May 15, 2021, 11:35:44 AM »
Most of them like eating and drinking so much they do it every day. Pretty incredible.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: China to land on Mars
« on: May 15, 2021, 11:27:12 AM »
A lot of science is gonna move to China soon since they are becoming a larger economic power, and also not under a quasi-privatization process like NASA is. A lot of physicists are also very excited about the prospects of particle physics research growing in China.

The world is changing, who knows what it is changing into. Hopefully it's better.

Maybe. It'll be interesting to see what they do about climate change. But I have to think that these world class scientists would be just a little apprehensive about working with a country that'll lock you up if you call their leader Winnie the pooh.

We're talking mainly about physicists, engineers, etc. They're nerds, they don't care for the most part.

Also, they don't even have to like it, they don't have to live there. They can just work there and return every now and then. And it's not like people in China are arrested all the time for stuff, especially foreigners. The worst thing that can happen to a foreigner is typically not getting their visa renewed etc unless something serious happens. And this is kind of typical in many places, academics and students on visas aren't held to the same standards as citizens. They can be both stricter and more lax, because the punishment is usually just deportation for everything. It's an issue in the US too for many people, because while freedom of speech, assembly, etc is theoretically in the constitution, it doesn't say anything about who you can give visas to. So there was for instance last year that Palestinian kid at Harvard who was stopped at the airport and sent back because he was in some FB meme groups where some people had posted pro Palestine memes, or like a few days ago the Chinese kid who had offers from 10 unis whose visa was denied because their dad was a community police officer in China, and there is even a Greek member of the EU parliament I know of who is blacklisted from entering the US because he made a documentary about terrorism which aired on public TV in Greece, and which the state department didn't like apparently. And he isn't even a member of some fringe party, he is a member of very mainstream Syriza. I don't even know if I might be at risk of having a visa denied, if they find out some protests I took part in, or some messages on FB or whatever. People know there is a risk of that sort of stuff happening when they go to some other country for work or study, they're careful regardless.

I have an uncle who went to Saudi Arabia to work there, and a number of family members as well as an old acquaintance who went for work or study in the UAE. These places are arguably worse than China but people still go there. Scientists will go to China if it is the only place where certain research can be conducted.

Finally I don't think China is necessarily gonna be so restrictive for years to come. Lots of people there want restrictions to be relaxed.

As for climate change, China is doing good if you look at per capita emissions. They don't want to have to use a lot of fossil fuel anyways, because the US and allies hold most of them. The issue in China is that many of their larger cities are very very polluted.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why is America so racist?
« on: May 15, 2021, 02:06:00 AM »
When Batista fell his supporters fled to the US. It's not just "Democrats are commies" propaganda. They may well know the Democrats aren't communists but it doesn't matter, a lot of them range from highly conservative to just fascist like Batista so it's not like they are "tricked". It's not true for everyone of course but this is a common phenomenon. Kinda like the Germans in some regions of South America, many of whom are Nazis who fled there. Or some of the Greeks in America and Australia, who left after WWII because they were nazi collaborators or after the downfall of the junta in 1974, and they poll consistently much further to the right than people who live here. And then there is the labourers who left the country to work in Germany or the communists who fled to Eastern Europe, and all these people poll overwhelmingly for the communist party. If you look at what Greek people abroad vote for and where they lie ideologically, it looks nothing like the ones inside the country.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why is America so racist?
« on: May 14, 2021, 05:55:36 AM »
The outlook on, well let's just go with the word "latinos", is probably a little different than the rest of the country.  In my experience we don't differentiate much between Columbian, Cuban etc.  Latino is Latino in pretty much the same way as white is white.  For example we just wouldn't regard someone from Greece being much different than someone from Norway if they're family has been in the US for more than one generation.

I don't regard it as racist or silly for the same reason that I wouldn't expect someone to be an expert on my Scottish/English ancestry.  It's just not something that matters.
Maybe it isn't to you but it often is important to them. And forgetting about it leads people to weird conclusions regarding polls or social attitudes etc. You say that Latino is Latino the same way white is white. But that's the issue, there is white Latinos, there is black Latinos, there is indigenous, and there is mestizos. For instance, many Cubans (in fact most) are just white. But there is also many mulattos, many mestizos, and finally many black Cubans. Said afrocubans were slaves to the white Cubans, and if I am not mistaken slavery in Cuba was only abolished long after it was in the US. So it doesn't make a lot of sense to put them in the same category. People get confused and think "wait, how is it possible that so many Latinos in Florida voted for Trump? Aren't they minority POC? How come they don't vote similar to other POC?" and it's, like, of course they vote for Trump, a lot of them are every bit as white as the "typically" white Americans and some miss their servants.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why is America so racist?
« on: May 13, 2021, 02:48:54 PM »
In general, I think most US Americans don't know much about S. Americans. I mean, we know some of the history but not much of the culture (besides the obvious things like Carnival in Rio). My grandparents and my father lived in Venezuela, Columbia, and Argentina way before I was born, but other than knowing they speak Spanish, I didn't really learn anything about those countries from them.

I don't think I'd classify lack of knowledge as racism, though.
No, I didn't say it is racist. It's just kind of silly.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: China to land on Mars
« on: May 13, 2021, 11:57:48 AM »
A lot of science is gonna move to China soon since they are becoming a larger economic power, and also not under a quasi-privatization process like NASA is. A lot of physicists are also very excited about the prospects of particle physics research growing in China.

The world is changing, who knows what it is changing into. Hopefully it's better.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why is America so racist?
« on: May 13, 2021, 10:27:24 AM »
I think because most of the Latinos in the US tend to come from Mexico, that is who is most associated with being Latino (especially in the western US).  Florida has many Cuban, Puerto Rican, and even pockets of Dominican Republic immigrants, so our view of who is Latino is broader.

I know that in every place in the world people are prejudiced against some other group. The title of the thread made me think you meant the United States ("America" usually means us). I do know that groups of Latinos are prejudiced against other groups of Latinos. Heck, I had Mexican neighbors, and the husband was proud of being more Spanish than his wife, it was weird.
Yes, I agree with what you said in the first paragraph. I did mean the US mainly when I said America, the point I tried to make was that many people in the US just think of "latinos" as the average Mexican. The result is that they often don't realize how heterogeneous south America is, or that as you said many Latinos are prejudiced against other Latinos, or that Latino/hispanic/whatever isn't a racial category, or that many Latinos are just as white as they are.

But I did expect it to be somewhat different in Florida for the reasons you said.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why is America so racist?
« on: May 13, 2021, 09:27:59 AM »
I didn't refer to Latinos as mestizos. I said the folks people usually associate with Latinos/Hispanics are typically mestizos.

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Latin America just refers to a region, not the races of the people who live there.

Don't tell me, I've seen way too many weird and very wide debates which wouldn't take place if people realized Latino is not a race, or that South America is extremely non homogeneous and many places hold a lot of racial tensions.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why is America so racist?
« on: May 13, 2021, 12:17:33 AM »
What's the difference between a Latinx and a native American?

The stereotypical latino isn't even native, they are mestizos. At least that's what most (but far from all) Mexicans are, which has led Americans to believe that all latinos are mestizos. A mestizo is someone of mixed European (mainly Spanish) and native ancestry. There's also "latinos" who are native, and "latinos" who are of African ancestry, or mixed African and native/African and European, or entirely European. For instance, most people in Uruguay are white.
I've never heard anyone believing this, exceprt perhaps in the more racist parts of South America.
Believing what? It's just true lol perhaps you've never heard anyone in the US believe it which is kind of what I am talking about. And yes, as your comment hinted, there are racial tensions in many countries in South America. Which is another reason why it doesn't make any sense to group all of them in one group and especially act like it is a race (calling people "hispanic" or "Latinos" as it it is similar to white and black). People in South America don't consider themselves "Latinos" or whatever, they consider themselves whatever they really are, they only start calling themselves that usually when they move to the US, or if they have had a lot of contact with US media. Seriously, it is an extremely weird category. It's like calling "American" a race. Because of that sort of stuff there is a lot of weird conclusions by people that don't make sense. For instance some people are surprised many voted for Trump, and they're like "but how do so many people of color vote for Trump?". Except they don't seem to understand that a lot of them are just white, and that there were similar power dynamics and conflicts within their own countries.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why is America so racist?
« on: May 13, 2021, 12:06:47 AM »
You know that's now how Native Americans think of themselves, right? They don't think you have to be 100% pure NA to be NA. Everyone is of mixed ancestry.

I don't know where you get your stereotypes from, but here we know Latin America includes many of the Caribbean islands, Mexico, Central America, and South America.
In many places in South America, there is and there has been a significant distinction between mestizos and natives, both in their way of life and the way they have been treated by states and society. In some countries mestizos and indigenous were separate castes codified into law, so it's not the same at all.

I didn't say people only think about Mexicans in particular. There is many mestizos in other countries too. The thing that many, many people especially don't realize is that many Latinos are just white.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why is America so racist?
« on: May 12, 2021, 02:27:02 PM »
What's the difference between a Latinx and a native American?

The stereotypical latino isn't even native, they are mestizos. At least that's what most (but far from all) Mexicans are, which has led Americans to believe that all latinos are mestizos. A mestizo is someone of mixed European (mainly Spanish) and native ancestry. There's also "latinos" who are native, and "latinos" who are of African ancestry, or mixed African and native/African and European, or entirely European. For instance, most people in Uruguay are white.

This is completely wrong. Americans do not believe all Latinos are mestizos. Also, what do you mean by "isn't even native"?

No, not all Americans believe that. But many do. I've seen so many people get weirdly confused when they are told latino is not a race, and they all basically have Mexicans (most of whom are mestizos) in mind if you ask them. Some others get weirdly angry for some reason.

Mestizos aren't indegenous. They are typically of mixed ancestry. I am saying that the stereotypical latino is a mestizo.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: SHOULD I BUY BITCOINS?
« on: May 12, 2021, 10:24:19 AM »
Its because btc are still mined, there'll be a point where its no longer worth it to mine the btcs and it will cost basically no energy.

Yes I'd rather invest my money in a currency that is worth more and more every year (on average) instead of printed paper trash aka US$.

Also, y'all are obsessed with elon!
Perhaps YOU would invest in a currency which is ON AVERAGE worth more every year as long as you make the average sufficiently large, but if it's gonna work as a currency, YOU wanting to INVEST in it isn't enough.

Also, if what you are saying does happen, ie that BTC will become so much more valuable, then it's gonna be worth it to start mining it again. It would basically be a massive resource dumpster, just dumping more and more energy into producing something completely unnecessary, which it basically already is, but 10 times worse. Hurray for le future!

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