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Flat Earth Debate / Re: whoops
« on: September 08, 2007, 11:41:02 AM »
Guys, the sun is only the size of a quarter. And it lands near flagstaff every night; that's why the rocks there are so red.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Discussion of Vanishing Points
« on: September 07, 2007, 06:47:02 PM »
careful, they'll say the waves are in on the conspiracy too.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: The RE sun, bombs, and you!
« on: September 07, 2007, 03:50:00 PM »
The sun is an object denser than earth. We know it is denser because it has a higher equilibrium than earth within the UA. Its regular cycles are the effects of residual motion. The pressure of the UA has squished the sun so that the top and bottom are nearly flat. The bottom surface is dense, flat, and highly reflective. As the heat, which comes from the core of earth, dissipates towards the sun it is reflected off the surface. This is why sunlight is percieved as "warm." Most of this infrared light is changed due to the acceleration of the earth and sun, as well as atmospheric effects into visible light.

There, much more likely than a giant bomb that is fueled, detonated but refuses to explode.

Especially the free energy part. If warmth all came from the earth and was merely reflected off the sun, it'd be warmer underground, not cooler! And where did light come from in this reaction? The only explanation is free energy. Narc, you can do better than this.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Northern Lights
« on: September 07, 2007, 03:44:06 PM »
And picking concrete things leads to the conspiracy.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: 150 Foot Ice Walls
« on: September 04, 2007, 01:06:54 PM »
its especially fun to climb mountains.

I think my favorite part of FE trying to defend this was the repeated "no, SURFACE TENSION keeps the atmosphere in!" despite my and others myriad proofs that surface tension exists soley between liquids and gases, not gases and vacuum. Definately one of the highlights of my time here.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: A new proof that FE is flawed...
« on: September 03, 2007, 03:51:19 PM »
Gulliver, I have to agree with divito on this one. There may or may not be stars below a FE. There is no way to prove there are or not without more evidence.

But then, so many faculties of FE are flawed beyond flaw that it is impossible to stay by this theory.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Ferdinand Magellan proved the earth is round...
« on: September 03, 2007, 03:14:59 PM »
I know i did. Technically speaking, my namesake did as well, as he used a compass and the magnetic lines cannot exist as lines of longitude in FE.

Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Real Deal
« on: September 03, 2007, 06:13:53 AM »
i think that in light of the new conspiracy evidence regarding FE as a marketing ploy necessitates that we disregard any data provided from the book (or any other FE book, for that matter), because, like NASA, they're in it for the money.

Theres alot of speculation passed off as evidence, but most of it is just bogus pulled from Tom Bishop's ass.

Really the evidence is "but i don't SEE a curve"

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Horizon
« on: September 02, 2007, 06:13:51 PM »
or degraded from age. Can you possibly secure a picture with less age, dust, and fading obfuscating what you're talking about?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Conspiracy
« on: August 28, 2007, 04:36:03 AM »
China had a space program and we fought against them in korea.
Russia supplied both troops and munitions (especially the latter) in vietnam.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: youtube video.. pretty convincing :]
« on: August 27, 2007, 05:36:42 PM »
Lol, costco is the best bet.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: statistics
« on: August 27, 2007, 02:18:24 PM »
The earth is round--prove its not
Columbus discovered America--that'd be the cavement. Columbus set up the first sustainable contact between european nations and the "new world"
Vampire bats suck blood--to quote Dracula: "Scrape and lick"
The first automobile was a Ford--definately agree with your lable
Jupiter is the densest planet--Well, we can only estimate its density. Its true that it would float if you had a tub of water big enough, though.
Lake Superior is the largest freshwater lake in the world--its the caspian, correct?
Sherlock Holmes always said, "Elementary my dear Watson"--he did once or twice, i believe
Houdini died in one of his stunts--he died from oxygen deprivation during one of his stunts, but the effect was not keeling over dead.
Egypt has the worlds largest pyramid--largest pyramid TOMB, for sure
Cleopatra was an Egyption--she was greek
The Sahara is the worlds largest desert
Napoleon was short--he was 5' 4" on the FRENCH measurement, which put him about 5'7" in real terms, the average height for a male at the time
Koalas are bears--i agree with your labling of this a falsehood
Bats are blind--some are close enough to it it doesn't make a difference (cave bats), but some have very good eye site
Meteors are hot when they hit the earths surface--don't know
Humans use 10% of their brains-- don't know
Electricity moves at the speed of light-- at the speed of an electron!
Earths north pole is a magnetic north pole--i agree with this one
Melting icebergs raise water levels--it does
Thomas Edison invented the light bulb--he and swan did at the same time
Thomas Crapper invented the toilet--flushing toilet, i believe, but i could be wrong
Tetanus comes from rust--tetanus comes from anything, but the germs are often present on rust
Cracking knuckles causes arthritis--it weakens them, which can lead to arthritis

Flat Earth Debate / Re: So much for the tidal "tilt" theory
« on: August 27, 2007, 02:09:29 PM »
its uranium, guys. Sheesh. Fission is the way of the future!

Flat Earth Debate / Re: I don't get how FE sunsets work.
« on: August 27, 2007, 02:07:54 PM »
Tom is right in saying that light through a medium will spread through the area. I live next to a municiple airport, and despite not being able to see it in any direct way, the light it gives off into the sky are enough to see by quite well at night.

HOWEVER, it does NOT explain a sunset. The shape of the sun would NOT be distorted, it would just, as he said, appear hazy. If the FE sun was for real, the sun would not only keep most of the world rather bright through the same principle I mentioned with the airport,  but it would appear to grow thinner as it grew distant and approached the horizon (which, though it would approach it, it would never touch/dissapear behind it: it is an asymptotal relationship. Don't let tom try and convince you otherwise, because its not true.)

Flat Earth Debate / Re: role reversal
« on: August 26, 2007, 02:41:40 PM »
its not hard. Just say "ergo" alot with a long copy-paste post and you're tom, post something blatantly childish and ill informed and you're narc, post a rant about how stupid we all are and you're an RE troll, and post about how we have pics of dark matter and you're gulliver.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: So much for the tidal "tilt" theory
« on: August 26, 2007, 02:22:52 PM »
The current thinking is that regular Earthquakes cause them. However, earthquakes aren't regular, so...
And they also travel under the South Pole uninterupted without recordings along the outskirts of antarctica, so...

Flat Earth Debate / Re: So much for the tidal "tilt" theory
« on: August 26, 2007, 11:18:33 AM »
I've proved that tilting cannot account for tides several times, and this has been accepted by the FEers I was debating.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: I don't get how FE sunsets work.
« on: August 26, 2007, 06:16:48 AM »
Well doesn't this effectively disprove FE then?

Nope. The explanation for the FE sunset is in the book Earth Not a Globe by Dr. Samuel Birley Rowbotham.

My favorite part of this link is where it says this stuff:
APPROACHING DESTRUCTION BY FIRE, &c., &c., &c. BY "PARALLAX,"... pseudonym of Samuel Birley Rowbotham [1816-1885]."

scanned at, June 2005. Proofed and formatted by John Bruno Hare. This text is in the public domain in the United States because it was published prior to 1923. These files may be used for any non-commercial purpose provided this notice of attribution is left intact in all copies.

Weee, no more water, but the fire next time.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: role reversal
« on: August 26, 2007, 06:13:28 AM »
You're right, I did.  :o

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Parachutes
« on: August 25, 2007, 06:55:16 PM »
hmm, yer right

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Parachutes
« on: August 25, 2007, 06:45:07 PM »
Ya, now if it were a vacuum, the acceleration would have to be faster than air's natural tendancy to move toward a vacuum... and if that were greater than 9.81 m/s2, we'd run into a dilemma.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: ATTN: Flat Earth believers
« on: August 25, 2007, 06:37:51 PM »
Ya, the Pearl Harbor conspiracy makes the most sense: we know the attack is coming, but allow it to go ahead so we can get in the war. Lots of evidence to support this, actually, one of the biggest being the fact that all the aircraft carriers were out of the bay.

I don't understand the point of that picture, Khris. I didn't ask for photographic proof of anything. I asked for historical mention to the Flat Earth and what would lead people to believe it's a conspiracy. Besides, if you're going to post any pictures, post a real one.

As for this, I have to agree: where is there any mere suggestion of a conspiracy? There seems to be no tangible evidence to support it, just all assumption: using something you can't explain to prove the existence of the conspiracy, or begging the question.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Parachutes
« on: August 25, 2007, 06:34:33 PM »
I know tha, but just as I think about it, I feel theres a piece missing. A cup being accelerated upwards would create eddies in the air, a way both in and out. Shouldn't there be strange cross currents in the FE model? Verticle winds near the poles?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof, again, earth is not flat
« on: August 25, 2007, 05:51:36 PM »
Can't I take a firefly?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof, again, earth is not flat
« on: August 25, 2007, 05:46:30 PM »
ooo pretty, can we go there for vacation???

Flat Earth Debate / Re: ATTN: Flat Earth believers
« on: August 25, 2007, 05:42:50 PM »
Its not so hard as you think... there are bazillions of different branches, and you don't need to be an astrophysicist to do it...

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Parachutes
« on: August 25, 2007, 05:42:03 PM »
The air would compress, you know.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: My Problem with Universal Acceleration
« on: August 25, 2007, 12:00:33 PM »
But wouldn't its shifting only result in one direction?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: role reversal
« on: August 25, 2007, 11:59:28 AM »
The earth is clearly flat, as my house's vector is made on the same vector of the house next to mine and HIS house is flat. Furthermore, my level reveals my workbench is flat. Ergo, the earth is flat.

Now I'm going to post an arbitrary, semi irrelevant diatribe that reveals nothing but a local viewpoint of an explorer, and go on to make up more facts about his life:
    "It was ... an obstruction of such character as to leave no doubt in my mind as to our future proceedings, for we might as well sail through the cliffs of Dover as to penetrate such a mass.

    It would be impossible to conceive a more solid-looking mass of ice; not the smallest appearance of any rent or fissure could we discover throughout its whole extent, and the intensely bright sky beyond it but too plainly indicated the great distance to which it reached southward."

James Clark Ross and his expeditionary fleet sailed around the Ice Wall for a number of months in circumnavigation. Between pit stops in Europe and his polar expeditions, he spent the next five years of his life vainly in search of a south sea passage to the other side.

After he couldn't find the south sea passage, he got terrifically depressed, divorced his wife, and took to drugs. Despite being burdened and dissilussioned that his government and all the others had lied to him about the shape of the earth and being completely stoned, he decided to reveal the truth. He designed a really really big hot air balloon (RRBHAB) and floated up into the sky. However, his camera flew away when he accidently dropped it over the edge of the planet, and the universal accelerator carried it away. His balloon also tipped over in the gale force, 500 mph winds experianced at that altitude in the jet Stream, and he fell. Lluckily, the UA slowed his fall, and he landed on a snow-mobile riding moose. Greiviously injured because of falling on the antlers, he whispered his account into the animal's ears before he died. The moose wrote down the account and it was translated into several thousand languages, including gnomish. Unfortunately, the RRBHAB was recovered by a national government and became the basis of modern psuedolites, a central tenant of the infinitely powerful conspiracy, which actually controls even the most fundamental laws of physics so that they could only apply in certain aspects at certain times.

Ergo, with the tale of the explorer and the moose, in conjunction with the evidence of the conspiraDiety's ability to revoke gravity in propaganda videos, we must conclude the earth is flat.

Ergo you are wrong.

Ergo I am right.

Ergo everyone else on the planet is wrong.

Ergo I win.

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