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So apparently they are not going to spray the truck, just gonna let people wrap it. Not 100% Sure this is true though.
So question for anyone that may know, how good are wraps compared to paint?

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: December 10, 2019, 12:32:20 AM »
So, are we all going to die again or not?
well, yes, eventually.

The goal is to make sure that we dont all do it at the same time

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: December 10, 2019, 12:11:25 AM »
As always, complicated:

Electric cars are cleaner per mile even if the power comes from 100% coal.
But coal is a dying source of energy as it is not economical.
Coal is dying in the US, and almost dead everywhere else.

Second, there is no way to produce something that is 100% clean, just wont ever happen. Even your salad has a carbon footprint. The goal is to do better, and electric cars are way better over their life.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sunrives in Daily Occurrence
« on: December 06, 2019, 01:33:09 AM »
As to the airplane, since training time, the pilots are STRICTLY prohibited to penetrate the cloud. Maybe sometimes they fly at the sides of the cloud, but NEVER penetrate the cloud.
Have you never flown before?

Or have you only been on a plane on perfectly clear days?

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: December 05, 2019, 09:00:51 PM »
Or drive round in circles waiting for you to leave the building.  Why would you pay for parking?
Probably because the cost of driving around for 8 hours a day is not zero
Also, because the range of electric vehicles is not infinite.
Having a parking garage for self driving cars 20min out of the CBD in an industrial area will mean low parking cost and you dont risk your car driving around all day. Can even charge your car then. Makes more sense than driving it around the block all day

Actually, the rocket technology has advanced so much, they just land them on Barges and bring them back. Saves a lot of money
In a way. I mean, with a little support of software technology.
Sure, with a great deal of support from software technology developed largely by SpaceX themselves though there were a few earlier soft landing rockets.
Im sure we had the software capability long before spaceX. There was just no incentive to take it seriously

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: December 03, 2019, 07:43:49 AM »
Or drive round in circles waiting for you to leave the building.  Why would you pay for parking?
Probably because the cost of driving around for 8 hours a day is not zero

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: December 03, 2019, 01:30:54 AM »
Governments rake in millions in parking fees. They won't want to reduce the number of cars on the road sadly I imagine :(
Self driving cars wont need to park in town. Just drop you off and go home, or a parking lot, or fetch someone else.
They will open up a lot of street side parking. We will just need more drop off areas

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: December 02, 2019, 10:38:49 PM »
Why get rid of the drivers? Their salary helps plug the economy. Do we have a plan for the economy when we have computers do everything we used to do? Our current model won't work.

Elon Musk's 'boring' company is ridiculous. All he's doing is moving traffic on roads to underground. Imagine thousands of thousands of cars trying to use tunnels. It will alleviate the traffic on top somewhat but don't be fooled to think it will work as quick as a subway.

Well it might once the rich decide they are done with the plebs and instigate population control measures.
Technology is not something we decide to create, Technology becomes viable, and then it is created.

Self-driving cars are inevitable.

People will lose their jobs, and they will have to move to other jobs, just as we have replaced most candle makers and chariot factory workers.
This is just part of the march of technology.

I have my reservations on Musk's version of tunnels. But not because the idea is stupid, I just think its very costly.
But layering out transport systems, and diversifying it is important.
There is not just a single solution for transport, there are many. And any system that has more options will be a better system.

Unless population completely stops increasing or moving around, cities will be redesigned anyways, or new ones will be made.
Populations are not going to stop moving around. In fact we are seeing a bigger shift in population today than any time in history. My city is expecting to expand by 10% every 5 years.
What city planners need to do is plan around this population expansion by including densification.

And it is ridiculously hard to redesign a city, because it requires re-location of lots of people. That alone as a task varies from Impossible to exceptionally hard. The best approach are long term views for cities and to slowly move into those views.
Most European cities have been developing for hundreds and some thousands of years. This is not the case for most cities in the world.
We cant just go all 1800's Paris on people anymore, and tell them to move because we want to build a very straight road.

People already have cars. The only difference is that you won't be actively driving any more. It won't change any of the things we talked about here.
One of the big changes self driving cars will do is decrease parking requirements. This has a MASSIVE influence in city planning. And Ironically could make cities more walk-able.

I mean there is little merit to self driving busses compared to regular busses. The only difference is the one person driving it.
It means you can service more routes and have more automation in regards to the routs buses take opposed to fixed routes. I.e. can get the buses closer to people improving the system. Solving many problems of serviceability. The oncoming self-driving tech is very much about efficiency, and will make transport more efficient.

The driver is not a big expense comparatively, when it comes to buses. It is for cabs, since they are smaller, but for buses it mostly comes down to fuel. Electric busses are an interesting idea, I wonder how practical they are though. Well, trams already exist which are basically electric busses anyways, but it would be nice to be able to get rid of the lines.
What happens when cabs price starts closing in on the cost of a bus?
And electric vehicles are now cheaper per mile, especially when they do a lot of milage.
China has the world biggest battery bus fleet in the world for this reason
That is a paper that does not include any recent improvements to battery cost and life.

You are not going to get rid of McMansions, people want their gardens.
Only Americans want their gardens?
So you agree?

Pez, we generally agree on most things here, you just make it sound as if its easy for cities to make drastic changes in a blink of an eye. City planning is not something that happens when towns start. No little port town with a 10 000 population starts by looking at what they will look like when they hit 10 million.
Cities evolve, but they do this very slowly. Self driving vehicles will influence how cities keep evolving. For one, it will most probably push people further out of the centers as the pain of driving gets removed.
There will always be people who chose to drive.

Densification will happen in different ways in different cities depending on many factors. Crime, pollution, over crowding, good design, access to services, access to work; all these things dictate how cities grow. Just because a city planner has designed a great city, does not mean that people move to where they where intended to go. You cant tell people what to do. Solutions need to be made around people's needs

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: December 02, 2019, 06:14:22 AM »
Most Americans aren't outside big cities. It causes no problems, the only problem it causes is that it's expensive, but, I mean, so is public transport in the form of filling the streets with autonomous self driving cars. Cars in general are expensive.
Ah you bring up a good point.
So right now my wife drives to work every day where she has to pay a monthly bill to park her car. If you add the cost of insurance, fuel and services, it nearly comes to the price of Uber'ing in every day. If we had self driving Ubers, or we could share one self driving car, there would be one less car between the two of us.

The problem with Public transit systems in many places is the question of who foots the bill, and then who manages this system.

1 - If its private ownership you pass the problem to individual owners, and the system can run at a loss.

2 - If it is private companies, such as a future Waymo, or any other private bus/taxi operators, then it needs to run at profit, and as long as there is no monopoly, the ecosystem will manage itself.

3 - If it is government run, the system can run at a loss and be subsidized by tax and rate payers as long as those people are happy(ish) to do that. But the ability to manage the system is dependent of that systems abilities as they have a monopoly.

With this in mind, its more clear why certain cities will have a public transit system and others dont.
In Vancouver and London, where you have competent(ish) governments and people happy to foot the bill, it works.

In Africa, where you have none of that, it wont.
It does bring in question why more cities in the USA dont have a good public transport system

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: December 02, 2019, 06:01:58 AM »
I love how you accuse me of thinking like everyone lives where I live and then you go ahead and explain how mass transit is bad where you live. Not even that it can't be improved, just that it's bad now. I don't even understand the relevance of your comment.
I said mass transport is not a solution for everywhere.
When people look at their options they see what is possible and available
Re-designing cities so that they work for mass transit is not a viable option in time or financial scales worth talking about.

Mass transit is great. But simply not available everywhere for many reasons.

All you are saying here is that YOU will buy a self driving car before mass transit is improved. Well, I don't doubt it. People already have cars. You're not saying anything interesting.
It was said because you are dismissing self-driving as an option for millions of people like me.
Like it or not, Self-driving cars are going to form part of the transportation mix in the soon to be future.

Also, most of my traveling is out of the city to construction sites, so im not sure how public transport would help me.
I never said public transport will take everyone everywhere they want. That's irrelevant to the conversation, public transport doesn't have to do that to dramatically decrease car use.

You could do that, although it doesn't have that much merit. Electric busses would be cool.
It has a lot of merit. especially if you want to remove more vehicles off of roads.
There are loads of self driving buses being trialed right now, possibly more than for cars (independent programs, not collective vehicles). In fact, it may be an easier problem to solve for certain technical reasons. But with self driving buses you remove one of your greatest expense, the driver, meaning that the cost of public transport reduces. We can also afford smaller buses for less used routes. And have more up time.
The biggest benefit to self driving is the part where they remove the cost of the human in the vehicle, not so much that it can drive itself. Why do you think Uber wants to get in the game.

Have you seen what American suburbs look like? They're not just some McMansion on a farm next to a river or something, I'm talking about endlessly sprawling suburbs full of ugly and massive cookie cutter homes. There was a conscious choice to expand outwards like that, and it absolutely had to do with planning. At least most cities in Europe aren't built like that, although I think something similar happens in France.

You are not going to get rid of McMansions, people want their gardens.
Although I am not sure why anyone wants to live in a house that is a carbon copy of every house in the neighborhood.
If your going to pay a fortune for a house, at least get a nice one.

Flat Earth General / Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« on: December 02, 2019, 03:33:45 AM »

From the Author of the image.

"Toronto SkylineI couldn't believe how clear and calm the atmosphere was this night. So calm that the lights from the Toronto skyline were reflecting right down to the Grimsby shoreline from across Lake Ontario. An amazing view that is so rare. This picture was taken from the top of the Niagara Escarpement 53 km away (33 miles) from this grand city."

So from quite high up.

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: December 02, 2019, 02:14:51 AM »
Sounds like you should get out of South Africa. It's a write off.
RSA offers a great life style if you have a decent education.
Sucks if you dont, which is 90% of the population.

Also where I live, we have suburbs that are rolled out like a carpet. Everyone wants a free standing house with a backyard. They are certainly becoming smaller and smaller in size but a lot of people still live about 20km from their work place. Canberra doesn't have a problem with traffic jams (well it's not as bad as spending hours in traffic - maybe an extra 20minutes to your destination).

I still think work place times would benefit from being staggered. Let people start at 7 and finish at 3 if its convenient for them and makes no difference to the business or place of work. Or 8-4. Not only 9-5 as asking thousands and thousands of people to start and finish at the same time is simply asking for gridlocked traffic. If working from home is possible, then allow that too.

If public transportation was free or a token fee it would actually be cheaper and benefit the economy as more people use it. They also have money for other things that could help small businesses instead of constantly having to pay to maintain a car or pay for rego, parking, insurance etc. You would have less road accidents/injuries or even death. Just remember if someone dies 30 years before their time, that's decades of lost productivity, money out of the economy and taxes paid! And the cost to society if they end up crippled is even more.

Canberra sucks in that it was built specifically to require a car. Our public transport system is expensive, doesn't run frequently enough and starts late and finishes early.

You still need to change the fundamentals of society and how it operates to alleviate the traffic problems.

City planning around the world generally sucks, and only a few cities really have it figured out.
Densification and mixed use are keys to improved cities.

Our government has decided to build millions of decent housing for the poor in South Africa, but they build them far from city centers, which sucks for all the reasons mentioned in this thread. So now private investors are starting to build low cost housing in much denser configurations in the cities close to public transit hubs. Our town planners are only now figuring out this is a good thing, opening up zoning to allow us to do this.

Self driving cars are not aimed at fixing public transport, its just a technology that is now within reach. When a technology is within reach, people will try find a way to make it useful. Maybe it helps, maybe it does not.
There are lots of destinations that public transport will never take you, and this is where self driving cars will help. Self driving tech will also decrease the cost of taxi services, meaning that for people who need cars (like me) would rather take a self driving taxi than own a car if it becomes cheaper than ownership. There will be less cars produced overall, although probably more miles driven, meaning more traffic.

Its not a one or the other situation.

We dont get to have either public transport OR self-driving cars.

We will get self driving tech and we need public transport.
We also need better city planning.

Self driving cars will not change a thing. You can bet there will still be a mandate for a human controller at the wheel to be able to take over at a moments notice. So it will only allow the law to be more lax regarding the use of electronics while 'driving'. You think 'auto pilot' on a plane means the captain and first officer can take a nap?
Technology improves. Looking at what we can do today or yesterday is not an indication of what is possible tomorrow.
There are already un-manned self driving vehicles on public roads as of this year.
Next year there will be more, and if your making statements 5 years away, your guaranteed to be wrong.

The reason why airliners have to have very much awake and aware pilots is because the stakes of failure are much higher. If the auto-pilot system fails without a pilot, there are not many survivable scenarios that follow. If a self driving cars computer fails, the car can just come to stop, and 99% of the time this will result in no injury or death.

When rocket technology was not yet very advanced, NASA was sending rockets to nearest ocean. In order to avoid this risk for ships and aircraft, the Triangle of Bermuda was invented.

Nowadays rocket technology developed so much. now nasa rockets fall into antarctica, places no one has seen. therefore there is no need to continue the lie of the bermuda triangle. That's why the Bermuda Triangle is gradually losing its importance.
Actually, the rocket technology has advanced so much, they just land them on Barges and bring them back. Saves a lot of money

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: December 01, 2019, 10:49:11 PM »
Few people enjoy sitting in their cars for 3 hours. You're describing sprawling suburbs. I'm telling you that's a reason to have a suburban railway. If it isn't possible or if it is too hard to get to the stations by bus, you take the car to the station.
You are presuming everyone lives where you live.

We have mass transport in South Africa, but you would not use it here. It is a mess, unreliable and dangerous.
As soon as people can choose, they choose to sit in 3 hours of traffic in their own cars rather than risk their lives.
Our mass transport comes in the form of Mini-buses that are legally allowed to fit about 11-15 people in, but practically fit about 30 in.
Every time our government or municipalities try to introduce buses that can fit more people in, they find their stuff burnt to the ground or the people trying to implement decent mass transit shot.

Our trains are constantly on fire, or their power systems stolen. Basically unworkable most of the time.

Your presumption that everyone should do what you do is arrogant and ignorant.

Mass public transport is great, and I really wish we had a system in my city, but we are realistically so far away from that, that it may only arrive in 30 years time if ever. (I cant wait to subsidize that)
So self driving cars are the next only solution for a lot of people in the world.
Self driving will be here YEARS before most cities get a proper public transit system.

Also, most of my traveling is out of the city to construction sites, so im not sure how public transport would help me.

And then here is a concept that will blow your mind, self driving buses!

And again, you are describing issues with city planning. Genius planners decided that instead of creating denser living spaces closer to the city center, they're just gonna let people build McMansions going out for miles and miles.

Many of these Mc Mansions are built on farms, that become estates. City planners cant do much about that

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: November 30, 2019, 11:23:04 AM »
The biggest issue to such cars is legal, mainly.

Like when your driverless car hits and kills someone crossing the street, outside of a cross walk, with a bike, whose to blame?  The programmers?  The automaker?  The owner of the car?
Depends on the situation. Fortunately all these technologies have lots of cameras, sensors and data logs.
But it seems that the car companies are prepared to take responsibility, the cost of insurance is easy to built in to the cost of the vehicle.
The idea is that there will be fewer accidents overall, so we hope that there will be less loss of life.

Tesla has released a few statements saying that their cars are far less likely to be in an accident in they are on their Autopilot system. So there is that.

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: November 30, 2019, 11:19:50 AM »
There'll be a market.  But it'll only be specialized reservations where they can drive like the olden days.  The roads and the rules will be restructed in such a way that humans couldn't possibly drive them safely.

That picture from Shifter earlier.  I see 6 lanes going in either direction for a total of 12 lanes. 

Here's what's going go happen.  Each lane is 12 feet wide to give us some leeway.  Computer's don't need nearly that much.  Now we have 12 lanes each way. 

These lanes are currently one way.  They'll be changed to any way yield the lowest total travel time. 

All vehicles will be networked to plan out their optimum strategy to people to places fast and safely.

Cars will be shrunk to a much smaller size appropriate to the typical number of passengers.  These cars will plan their routes in such a way that they're available to the greater number of people in the shortest amount of time.
 Actually owning a car is something only the rich will do.  Most people will use a network of on demand autonomous vehicles.

I know this scenario seems very optimistic.  But it's going to happen.  We have the tech and we have a powerful motivation to increase profits, save money, and get there safely.
This presumes all humans drive in cities or other well understood environments 100% of the time.
I love the idea of self driving cars, but a car without a steering wheel is useless to me. I go camping in areas where off roading is the norm (I live in Africa, lots of dirt roads here) I am an architect, which means I end up in construction sites all the time, often far from great infrastructure.

It is easy to forget that the other humans live vastly different lives to others. There will be none self driving cars in 100 years from now, even if we perfect it next year.

Flat Earth General / Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« on: November 30, 2019, 12:36:11 AM »

unless you can show this photo was taken from the shoreline, this image is useless for anything.

Flat Earth General / Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« on: November 30, 2019, 12:06:18 AM »
lots of pictures and some words
pic 1- No idea how high the photographer is. You need to show he was not in a building.

Pic 2 - come on, this is clearly taken at quite the elevation.

Pic 3 & 4 - low res pictures, but it seems some of your trees are underwater

Pic 4 - The photographer is clearly higher than the peer in front of him. This guys is standing quite a bit higher than 4m from the water level.

Pic 5 - no idea how high the photographer is. Each pixel in the photo is about 2m. So your gonna have to pint out that we can actually see the shore line on the other side before you have a point there.

Pic 6 - tried to zoom in to see something on the shoreline. But again, each pixel at the tree line is about 2m and I dont see any shore line.

Seriously, your just saying if you can see buildings on the other side then there is no curvature. You need to see the shoreline.

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: November 29, 2019, 11:50:07 PM »
Technology generally tends to improve lives everywhere and for everyone.
Yes, there are almost always negative side effects, but we tend to find a lot more good use for technology than not.

The first man made fire could hurt another person, but was probably useful for a few more things.
Self driving cars that only drive the rich around is silly. That means it will have no market penetration. No market penetration means no profit.

And then why are people scared of self driving tech? I mean, if you dont want to use the technology, just dont.
Its like complaining that facebook is ruining everyones life, and then continuing to use facebook.

Again, the tech wont magically appear and take over all cars instantly. It takes about 10 years to replace all the cars on the roads. So even if they started making every car roll off the assembly line today be 100% self driving, you have 10 years where you can live in bliss. But the reality is, if there is a market for people who dont want self driving, there will be none self driving cars. It will take a very long time before the tech gets into even 50% of new cars as an option, never mind standard.

Self driving cars, like any other major tech in the past will have good stuff and bad stuff.
Truck drivers will lose jobs, but deliveries may happen quicker and cheaper.

Your not complaining that the incandescent light bulb put candle makers out of business now, and you wont complain that truck drivers arnt a thing in 20 years time. We will move on.

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: November 29, 2019, 01:51:47 AM »
There is literally a self driving bus in my city thats been in testing for almost a year.  It now goes up to 40 kph.
And by testing I mean there is a person in the small bus in case of emergency but otherwise it functions like a normal, albiet slower, bus.
People have no idea that the rate of technology is exploding.

Its just that technology is not evenly distributed, so while some cities are experimenting with driver-less buses, others think its impossible because their city does not have something similar.

By the time self driving is everywhere, most people will be saying the artificial intelligence cant happen while others are already using it.

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: November 29, 2019, 01:49:09 AM »
The people ordering an El Camino are obviously in an altered states of mind - a literal form of hypnosis. Non-penetrable. Amazing the success of "Operation Brainwash the Sheep in America". They, have had enormous success since Hiroshima 1945 or even Sarajevo 1914.
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Sorry you don't understand that Elon is just a poor actor but a fairly good entertainer working for his masters.

Okay Boomer

Flat Earth General / Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« on: November 28, 2019, 10:43:41 AM »
What you are saying is that YOU have no idea how attractive gravity works.
You keep saying this as if it matters.

Knowing how gravity works does not in any level change its existence.
Like, makes literally zero difference if it cant be explained or not.

What makes a difference is what is repeatably observed.

For example, no one has ever observed a sun or moon at only 15 km above the earth.


My calipers are calibrated to NIST standards, and have an accuracy of +/- 0.0005 inches.

Your famous bendy plastic ruler and wonky eyeball?

There's only one tool around here that needs to be replaced, and that's you.

I would never trust a tool that uses empire measurements!

Throw it in the garbage with the bananas, walnuts and other archaic things you consider measurements

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: November 28, 2019, 10:21:45 AM »
Yep, I broadly agree with that, though Musk wouldn't.  At least in public.   However I think we will see lorries driving up and down highways between warehouses within a few years. 

Im not sure what he believes.
I dont think he is a naive idiot, you dont as much done as he has by mistake.
So Id like to think he has a very realistic view of the technology, much better than any of us.

But he is in the business of selling cars, so I 100% think he will say things to make em sell.
And he seems to be exceptionally good at that.

Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Tesla is making an El Camino!
« on: November 28, 2019, 08:27:08 AM »
The fist time a car drove itself in a track with no human intervention was the 1980's. That is when we had self driving cars. Its been here for a while, its not coming.

The technology has been slowly improving since the 80's, and especially since machine learning came along.

Self driving, like all technology, wont just appear and suddenly no one everywhere will have to call a uber after a good night out anymore. It will phase in with the crappy versions first, that do lane keeping, emergency breaking ext. And over time get better at those things, and keep including new things it can do.

By the time YOU experience self-driving cars, early adopters will already be looking for the new thing.
If you have a Tesla with Autopilot, your getting the first glimps now.

In 20 years there will be some angry wife that wants drive her Tesla through a security control gate, onto a harbor jetty and park it on her soon to be ex-husbands new yacht. But because the Tesla wont allow her to do all that people will say the software is not there yet.

Self driving will happen in incremental steps.

One day it will just be part of everyone's lives and most will not know how it happened.

If your asking for full-self-driving with no intervention by people in any circumstance ever conceived.
That will come soon after AI gains the "singularity", i.e. super intelligent general intelligence. This may be never to 10's of years away.

Correct, you are confused because I've never said rockets work in space. Are you part of a tag team or are you actually just one person who changes names?

If none of these then show me where I said what you think I said?

Sorry, I was not clear.

By your reasoning, you implied rockets work in the region that we describe as space.

Flat Earth General / Re: Strongest FE Evidence
« on: November 28, 2019, 08:00:00 AM »
Looking at this part of the model, I have some comments

4. When two bodies moving towards one another come near together, I suppose the aether between them to grow rarer than before, and the spaces of its graduated rarity to extend further from the superficies of the bodies towards one another; and this, by reason that the aether cannot move and play up and down so freely in the strait passage between the bodies, as it could before they came so near together.

This will then represent differently to how water creates pressure, as when you hold to object close to each other under depth, they do not attract each other, this is because the pressure has nothing to do with how many or few particles there are between objects. But rather how heavy the collective water above is. Boyle's law and such.

Running your model in my head, I can see issues of how this may fail to explain things like black holes and other super large structures.

3 things please

1 - can you explain to me what observational difference your model will have in the universe vs the current model for gravity. How would orbital mechanics differ? (ie, make an observational prediction that will differ to conventional gravity)

2 - observational evidence of aether that does what you says it does. Not theoretical evidence, because we are discussing the physical world, not Shakespeare and not a link to one of your posts, an actual study or something of value.

3 - I am really waiting for you to explain to me how you can imagine a 15km high sun

Flat Earth General / Re: Sandokhan and Gravitation etc
« on: November 28, 2019, 06:50:32 AM »
His is a straw-man argument.

Because science does not have all the details of X, there for X does not exists.

This would be equivalent to the ancient Romans not believing that fire can burn you or that it exists, simply because they have not figured out exothermic chemical reactions yet.

There was flight before we knew how to fly
There was electricity before we knew what it even was
There was fire before we understood chemistry
There is gravity, even though we dont understand the mechanism.

Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: All of the good things Trump has done.
« on: November 28, 2019, 06:45:44 AM »
Actually, the reasons why the space program is less of a mess is because they decided to rely LESS on NASA and more on commercial partners. Im not sure how this relates to terrorism in your book though.

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